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Mr. Queen: Episodes 7-8 Open Thread

Rivalries come to light when the queen’s wellbeing is in danger. But more than jealous confrontations and drink-offs, our queen has bigger problems: she’s becoming more and more the actual queen. Memories and emotions are taking over, and Bong-hwan loses a little bit more of himself by the minute.

 
EPISODES 7-8 WEECAP

Last week, my notes to self consisted of the following: “More Byung-in, please!” I guess they heard me. The highlight this week was definitely the many confrontations, with varying degrees of comedy and drama, between Cheoljong and Byung-in. Of course, this rivalry would not have hit the fan without So-yong being in mortal danger, which is where we start off this week: the queen has fallen into a vegetative state.

This is a great part of the story because we get a peek into the connection between Bong-hwan’s body in present-day Seoul, and his soul trapped in So-yong’s body. When Bong-hwan’s enemy removes his life support, Bong-hwan codes, and that’s exactly when So-yong collapses into her vegetative state. When Bong-hwan is resuscitated, though, he’s the one in the vegetative state: we hear that familiar voice talking back at the people around him… except that voice is only in his head. Poor Bong-hwan!

This event has big repercussions for Bong-hwan’s soul in So-yong’s body, too. So-yong might make a quick recovery, but a few important things have changed. First, So-yong’s inner monologue is now in her voice, not in Bong-hwan’s. Second, So-yong’s acute sense of smell is causing her past memories to return (gotta love this Proustian angle, right?).

The memories are more than just memories, though — So-yong is really feeling the emotions they conjure up as if they are real… and as if she is actually So-yong, and not Bong-hwan after all. This causes our hero more than a little bit of concern, since he’s even beginning to feel So-yong’s attraction to Cheoljong. There are so many hilarious scenes of Bong-hwan/So-yong trying to fight said attraction, like with the attempt to cast the woman out of his soul with the great, “Get lost, woman!” moment.

Shin hye-sun is as fantastic as ever (she needs awards, stat), but it was nice to see Kim Jung-hyun get a little more space to flex his acting muscles in this week’s episodes. He’s such a fabulous actor, I’ve been secretly feeling a bit sorry for him because this is definitely Shin Hye-sun’s drama. That being said, Cheoljong gets a more meaty role to play this week, and we have the aforementioned confrontations with Byung-in to thank for a lot of that.

While So-yong is ailing (which the court believes is because she’s been poisoned), both Cheoljong and Byung-in rush to her father’s house, where she’s been taken to recover. Cheoljong arrives first, and it’s a multi-pronged visit. He’s obviously concerned for his queen all of a sudden, and even flat-leaves Hwa-jin to rush to her aid. But, he’s also doing his fair share of snooping while at her father’s house. Lastly, the covered-up well in the yard triggers another panic attack for him, and we’re shown flashes of his childhood and the torment he endured. This looks like it’s going to make major plot waves verrry soon!

There’s quite a bit of intrigue and fight this week, but more often than not, these moments of seriousness give way to comedy instead — sometimes a chuckle, sometimes a guffaw (the fight scene turned tango, for instance).

The first face-off between Cheoljong and Byung-in, though, is all serious. Byung-in is newly installed leading the Department of Justice and while he’s dashing in maroon, he’s also banging down doors to protect his beloved So-yong. Now that Cheoljong is showing an interest in So-yong he’s mighty territorial, and his combative, growly moment of fierceness against Byung-in was quite something.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have such a mega-crush on the character of Byung-in that I’m almost surprised how little I care about Cheoljong. When Byung-in gets all heartbroken realizing that he can never be with So-yong, or when he confesses to her (while she’s unconscious) that, “You should have been mine and I should have been yours,” I actually find myself wishing he was the hero for a second. Don’t tell Kim Jung-hyun I said that, though.

These vying suitors have their next face-off at So-yong’s father’s house, where Byung-in and his fighters swoop in again — it’s basically Round 2 of Royal Guards versus Department of Justice. The unbridled disdain between these two is actually fun to watch, from Cheoljong’s sneering comments, to Byung-in’s painful, silent acknowledgement that he really has no standing. Round 2 actually turns into a drink-off, and what a fun scene! So-yong watches them with a dry expression, and the two fling a glass back and forth to see who collapses first. I like very much how Mr. Queen can pull off scenes that are both serious confrontation, and total comedy.

The Cheoljong/Byung-in rivalry escalates dramatically by the end of our episodes this week. Cheoljong is sneaking around at night as usual, fighting Scarface, when So-yong comes out to lend him a hand by way of throwing a chamber pot. Because this is Mr. Queen, of course she hits the king by mistake instead, but the fight breaks up.

Just when Byung-in swoops in yet again to make sure his beloved is safe, Cheoljong pulls the queen in close and kisses her. This ain’t your typical kiss scene, and there’s about half a dozen different things happening in the subtext at this point, so it will be interesting to see where we land next week. Namely, will So-yong kiss back, or will Cheoljong get another pot to the head. Either way, my Byung-in’s heart audibly shattered.

While the side stories are cute and mostly comedic overall, there’s something afoot with Hwa-jin, and there’s nothing comedic about this storyline. We all knew she wasn’t the sweet and docile thing she pretended to be, but we hear about a secret only she and the queen knows… and I’m ready to be clued in. The more scared Hwa-jin seems, the more curious I get.

I’m also a little worried about the real Bong-hwan, as the world of Mr. Queen just gets more and more topsy-turvy the deeper we go. Much like that magical palace lake, who knows how deep it really is? Are we going to lose Bong-hwan once and for all, or are more swaps and switches in store?

Other random observations: Cheoljong looks good in lilac. Byung-in looks good in maroon. So-young looks good with her faux beauty mark. The trampoline-seesaw thing looks dangerous, though.

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Both of our boys are crazy though, Byeong In unrecruited love can become too fierce and obsessed sometimes. And i still cannot forget Cheoljong treatment to Soyong all this time and he tried to kill her. Though i love both of them XD. I love Kim Jung Hyun with all my heart but Byeong In actor surely has an emotional eyes.
Soyong/Bonghwan still is my fav chracter. Just don't know why cannot get into Hwajin and prince YeongPyeong, both just too shady.
I can see Byeong In struggle will be with his father, he lied too him few times already about Cheoljong and the queen.

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Yea, hope the lie won't come back and bite him because his father sure doesn't seem like a forgiving guy...

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It will happen i guess, in his character profile it says he hates being a Kim. So he definitesly know that his dad is 'bad'.

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There's a mention at some point of Byeong-in being adopted into the Kim family in the show. I tried to find the exact mention backtracking through episodes 5-8, but failed to do so. It might have been earlier but I don't have mroe time to skim eps. I did spot in the show's wiki description that "He (Byeong-in) is the adopted son of Kim Jwa-geun, thus making him the queen's cousin."

So it might be that in his mind, he's cousin by adoption only which reinforces his "right" to like her. (Later reinforced to an extent when the other actual Kim treed cousin, Kim Hwan, talks with Byeong-in about if he (Kim Hwan) likes the Queen that'd be totally wrong because they're cousins. That scene is quite funny as Byeong-in's ire is raised when he thinks he has yet ANOTHER competitor, then he quickly cools down when he points out it's her maid Kim Hwan has the crush on.)

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i am just loving the ride in this drama! the actors are killing their roles and the story is cracktastic! just wish we got a bit more of choi jin hyuk!

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I missed his voice-overs!

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So sad his voice is gone now...
That was one of the best things...

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I'm finding almost every scene without Shin Hye-sun boring except that This violates the moral law of family relationships scene lol. Hwa-jin can honestly just scram, Byeong-in can stay to keep Cheol-jeong jealous though I'm still mad when he nearly kissed passed out queen in ep7 (I was internally screaming for him to stop because it was creepy, props to Na In-woo for that).

We're still not sure what happened to So-yong's and Bong-hwan's souls, but it's a relief that this current Queen is better equipped to navigate palace machinations with So-yong's memories and Bong-hwan's wit. Go get 'em!

Maybe I'm just overthinking, I'm not sure if they are aiming for just bromance between Dir. Hong and Kim Hwan *wink wink* The love triangle with Hong Yeon is hilarious with all the slow motion dramatic stares and background music.

P.S. Writer-nim please don't turn Byeong-in into full on obsessed mode after ep8 because I don't want Kim Won-young 2.0 😭

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I agree, things were quite boring when the queen was unconscious for most of the time in episode 7. The first showdown between the Cheoljong and Byungin was good with impressive acting but the later ones at her house were very eyeroll worthy with both acting territorial. I have no interest in watching similar scenes going forward. At first I was okay with cousin simply because palace life seems stressful and at least Byungin loved her. But his constant possessiveness with the Queen and the creepy almost kiss has turned me off.

The love triangle and the bgm plus the cherry blossoms cracks me up everytime.

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Because she was incapacitated, it did feel creepy, particularly of his dialogue pre lean-in for the kiss. I am glad he stopped, but I have to wonder if it was because he felt guilty about his possessiveness, or he was starting to think/accept that she wants to be with the King now and it would be wrong.

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Bong Hwan’s attempted exorcism of So Yong’s soul was soooo hilarious! 🤣 😆 🤣
Can’t wait to see next week’s episodes.

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The gyrations and muttering of leave this body woman, lol, perfection.

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“Leave this body woman” when it’s her body to begin with😂

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Right?! I was cackling 🤣 😆 🤣

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😂😂😂

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I started loving this show but somehow by ep 5 or 6, I'm getting tired with all the side characters. I watch it for the main leads and the queen's maids. Other that that, the others are annoying and I don't care about them. And some of the humor in this show are too OTT and doesn't make sense. Eg. The scenes with Hwan...from his prison scene to where he came flying into the queen's home for her maid, Hong Yeon were really unnecessary. Can we get rid of these fillers and let the main plot move faster? And they're not even funny. I'm also so sick of Hwa Jin's constipated face. She looks pretty-sick.

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The Kim Hwan scenes were pretty boring except when he was talking to BI about why his love for the Queen was inappropriate. It was somehow both funny and sad since BI was actually struggling with his feelings.

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I don't know what's the purpose of Kim Hwan. I watched him and thought...hmm...other than some forced comic relief, perhaps this guy will do something useful later? Right now, he's just a lost puppy. But the actor playing his role looks cute though. Hee.

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It's in fact sad that he wasn't given the same proper role as in the original were he was friends with the Queen and like a naive sidekick(being corrupted by her) and one endering at that...

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Constipated face is truly an accurate description here :)))

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This show just keeps getting better and better! I absolutely love the ride. The transition of comedy and seriousness is absolutely crack tastic. I was wondering how they were going to fit the romance if the Queen’s body was occupied by a straight man but this is an interesting and plausible narrative by the writer to have their souls merge as one as to make more sense as to how their romance blooms. Also I need to talk about how swoony Kim Jung hyun was in that last scene. That waist grab and stare was everything *swoons* now I need to see a mutual romantic scene and I’m all set. I’m so excited to see Mr queen falling for the king and vice verse because I haven’t seen an interesting dynamic in a while and this just serves on both romance and comedy so *mwa*

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So happy Cheoljong is stepping his game up, yay for more King & Queen hijinks! Can't count how many times I cracked up in this week's episode. Beside the self-exorcism, the best part was the face-off between masked intruder vs Cheoljong, and of course, vs the chamber pot. Gotta hand it to the scarred man actor, how can he suddenly look so meek with a mask on?

Sad that the Hwa-jin is going down the path of evil, manipulative second lead. Whatever fear she feels, I think it's a mirror of what she thought she'd do had she been in the Queen's shoes, so it's a well-deserved fear. Guess little So-yong was the one crying saying it was her fault, when the one who actually told was little Hwa-jin? Because kdrama law will surely dictate little So-yong as Cheoljong's first love... And apparently, amnesia is all the trend in Joseon, although most possibly Cheoljong's is a manufactured one.

Totally missing Choi Jin-hyuk's deep timbre and hoping for more explanation of Bong-hwan + So-yong coexistence. Also hoping Byung-in will not be a sad, clingy second lead too...

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It even looked to me like the masked guy signaled the Queen to toss the pot at Cheoljong jajja
I also missing Choi Jin-hyuk's voice,i felt so sad when in this week episodes it was gone,i guess it could be maybe not to make some viewers uncomfortable with the romantic angle but his inner voice was what made this even more fun.I think Bong-hwan got her memories more likely because he is ajusting more to So-yong body and even accepting it(as he said he prefers it here than in vegetative state),so he get's the full package,i still stand that So-yong died that night in the lake...

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Poor Cheoljong, he should be thankful Bong-hwan considered the pot too delicate to use ><
Yea, guess now is the time the romance is heating up... It's great that he has the full package of memories, him being a history buff sure will help in navigating the palace politics. Wonder how far he is willing to change history, if need be, to save Cheoljong...

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I'm also still waiting for the rest of the past to unfold so I can get a more accurate notion of the path Hwa-jin is going.

If she was always bad, it'll just be typical, but if she really was a good person prior, then at least shows a change in character due to events. I always find it more interesting when major characters have deeper development beyond "was good, now even nicer" or "was bad, now downright evil". It would be twice as interesting if Hwa-jin and So-young ended up switching "sides", rather than both starting nice, then going mean due to whatever the well represents/court politics.

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I love this week's episode. There were fun and hilarious scenes as the plot moved along. The secret between HwaJin and Soyong looks juicy. I can't wait to be clued in.
Honestly, I like Cheoljong better than ByeongIn. I know even if he had attempted to kill her I don't think he would've gone through with it. But ByeongIn's obsession with SoYong is creepy. I like the scene when Kim Hwan was ennumerating all the ways it was for a Kim cousin to like the Queen. It was basically a slap in the face for ByeongIn but he is not letting up.
I like BongHwan but I want to see more of SoYong now. Not sure how the show will resolve the bodyswap thing. If he is in a vegetative state in the present, he has no incentive to go back. Plus what is keeping SoYong from regaining her body back.
Is the King inlove with SoYong or BongHwan as SY? Too many questions which the show hopefully address in future episodes.
Kim Jung Hyun is spectacular in this week's episode. Even if we know SHS is the main focus, he still holds his own.

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Guess the incentive is to "chew" the murderous bastard who took off his life support? Am hoping he's not getting away with it!
And yes for Cheoljong > Byung-in, yes for Kim Jung-hyun holding his own. Judging from the way his queen is gazing at him "like he is a pitiful mutt", it's pretty much his time to shine now, yay!

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Oh yeah! You are right. BH need to avenge what happened to him. He need to sort out this body swap soon before his present day enemies find a way to kill him.
Yey for more meaty scenes so Kim Jung Hyun can shine more!

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I'm with you with Cheoljeong and Byungin, I honestly didn't find Cheoljeong as charismatic as I was expecting a character plated by Kim Junghyun would be, but Byungin's obsession is borderline..... uncomfortable, for me at least. I think the show was aiming to show how deep he loves Soyong that all that matters is her safety, but idk if it's the actor or the drama team's execution, it does feel like he's unreasonably obsessed instead of willing to give everything to protect Soyong

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I think its really both writing and execution. That near kiss when SY was asleep was really uncomfortable to watch.
The show is leaning towards depicting his obsession with SY. I expect it will get worse if SY will show the slightest interest in CJ.

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Sigh, I really hope they won't go that way with his character but I'm preparing myself for it. He has already lost favor for that near kiss.

Can one still hope that once he sees So-yong genuinely happy with Cheol-jeong, he'll accept it and continue protecting her from afar? :(

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This is what I was wondering when he pulled back from the near kiss--is he accepting the possibility that she does like the King and he has to back off? I agree it will be nice if he still supports her as part of that acceptance.

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Yes!! And on top of that, the first kiss between BI and SY happened while SY was miserable and obviously in an emotionally vulnerable place. It looked more like BI was taking advantage of that when he kissed her and the consent was quite dubious in that scene.

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Especially when Byeong-in brought his crazy eyes into the scene. From the spiel Kim Hwan gave, in the world of the drama, falling in love with and pursuing a romance with the queen is just wrong on so many levels.

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I actually find Cheoljong quite easy to sympathise with, and I absolutely can't stand Byeong In and his obsession with the Queen- it just seems so overbearing and controlling.

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This drama does comedy so well! Totally agree, @missvictrix, the fight-turned-tango and the shots battle were hilarious. They are getting the timing of these things so right - *when* we come to understand the joke, *how long* they allow it to run for, and how it's resolved. Although there are bits of the episodes that leave me wanting the plot to speed up a bit, the comedy just allows me to let it go and revel in the silliness. It, oddly, reminds me of the humour in the Princess Bride...

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Yes! Princess Bride! It’s an odd mix of very funny and very serious things. I hadn’t made that connection. I should watch princess bride again. What a fun movie.

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I am also wanting the reveals to get sped up a bit. I'm about to start ep 9, so we'll see.

Like @wonid2017, I also hadn't thought of the similarities with the relationship confusions and humor in the Princess Bride--spot on.

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I’m loving this drama! The merging of BH and SY souls is interesting and I’m loving it so far. Miss BH voice as the inner voice.

I was all set to get behind a romance between the King and the Queen BUT I’m not sure about CJ’s intentions. He is still mostly using SY to further his goals and his actions including the kiss seems to be motivated by his need to one-up BI than real feelings for SY. BI is a bit obsessive but he came across as more interested in SY’s well-being. I hadn’t found BI swoony before but his sad eyes got me every time CJ hurt him by reminding him that SY was not married to him. It actually made me not like CJ as much as I did the past episodes. CJ is still making moon eyes at HJ and doesnt really care of SY so why act possessive with SY and kiss her just because he knew BI was coming in. I hope SY/BH calls CJ out on it soon and that their romance doesn’t progress without CJ being clear about his intentions and motivations both to himself and to SY.

The self-exorcism scenes were hilarious and I have to say that CJ disrobing was quiet sexy! 😍🤣

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So CJ can avoid having to explain why he was in that part of the house when his assigned sleeping quarters where to where near there. He used the opportunity to search the house under the ruse of visiting the queen, his interest in the queen, for now i think, was just an added bonus.

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This show really suffers without Shin Hye-sun I think. Episode 7 was almost completely a washout for me - excluding the BY - King confrontation. I also find virtually all characters other than the King, Queen and BY tiresome - why did we need to watch that extended prison sequence with Kim Hwan?
Episode 8 on the other hand sparkled. So many hilarious scenes big and small:
- The camera panning out to BH playing the gayageum
- The neolttwigi
- BH calling the Grand Queen Dowager "Sunwon Unni"
- BH taking offense at the King's honest "I picked them up on the way" as a trite flirtatious 'ment'
- The drink-off
- The tango!
I think the last one really underlines the point of the show - what you see is not what you get and what you think you see is often deceptive. Now if somebody could tell JHJ this we might even save her from turning into an evil second lead.

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Yes, agree with your point about the show suffering without SHS! Throughout ep7, I was counting the minutes till she woke up again and was just processing information from the other characters to make sense of plot rather than enjoying them for what they are. I'm still trying to work out why this is because there are some good characters here with great quirks and tons of potential - why are they just falling a bit flat when SHS is not in the room?

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You're so right about the other characters having potential. Them falling flat is I think a combination of superlative acting from SHS and the basic premise of the show not providing the other characters firm footing.
After all we could watch any sageuk to meet most of the other characters but we can only come here to see a modern man inside a queen's body trying to exorcise her feelings out of her own body.

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I have really enjoyed the scenes when the Queen is with the palace chef outcooking him and outsmarting him. While I don't care for all of the side characters, I do think the chef adds some laughs for sure.

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I agree episode 7 lagged a little but I think it was a groundwork episodes, needed for the plot. Episode 8 was hilarious and your right the way Mr. Queen played that gayageum had me cracking up, She was playing it like it was a Guitar. the neolttwigi scene where she was making those different faces, thinking of how she was going to punish the Han family 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣... Oh this drama!

Honestly, the wisest moment in episode 8 is when So Young/BH told Eun Bin to come clean, she was being geniuine. it was just like in episode 7 when the King told Beyong In that he had no claim to the Queen, the King wsant being malicious but giving him a gentle warning, it was the same with So Young, she was honestly giving Eun Bin a gentle warning but I dont think either listened. The difference is Byeong In intentions are pure, he genuinely is 100% in the Queens corner when no one else is but Eun Bin motivations are selfish, she is scared she is going to lose everything she falsely got. I'll bet she did everything in her power to get the King to mistrust and turn on So Young, the king already knows so young is in love with him

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BH's vengeance faces were so funny - "I am going to live for revenge" 😠😂
You make a very good point about the BH-JHJ and King-BY conversations being solid advice from both parties. It's almost tragic that when BH and King are being most earnest is when everyone misunderstands them.

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It would be actually so brilliant if she actually finds the right Han family,really hope they follow up on it and don't forget about it...Makes it even more funny her doing her own revenge stuff...Eun Bin is really twisted,no matter what So Yong says to her she gets it as twisted as possible,like i would be so frustrated not being able to have a single conversatation with her type not mentioning the victim mentality she added... I still like Byeong In mainly because he is pure like u said in wanting to keep So Yong safe when almost everyone wants to kill or use her adding he knows she wanted to kill herself and the King might want to kill her and is loving another woman making it somehow the more sad if he will spiral into becoming evil trying to protect what he loved...I think Byeong In also is facing remorse for his past decisions of steping away thinking she will be happy,i think at this stage if she was indeed happy he would have let go and lived his life yet seeing how things are i fear he will go the hard path with no breaks till is too late...It's a bit curious that i actually really deslike most of the "good guys" and actually like The Queen Sowon and even like Kim even when i know he is bad,the other Queen aside from being despicable,twisted is bat crazy...Guess i'm gonna hide now as i side with the "bad guys" and can't stand the " good guys fence"

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Hmmn , it looks like there are really no "good guys" as both sides equally scheme and use people to their advantage.

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The fact that this is a tvN show means that if Shin Hyesun is up for any award nomination she had to compete with every drama across channel in Baeksang, which is definitely much harder but seriously she NEEDS an awards for how she basically carry this drama alone... Not that I hate the others but she just stands out sooo much in this one.
The gayageum was one of the funniest scene tbh, the comedic timing is just brilliant lol

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The gayageum scene was hilarious!

I'm sure she will get nominated for Baeksang along with Seo Ye-ji, and probably some actresses from dramas that haven't even started this year?
But I think Shin Hye-sun's role is challenging and difficult to play. Her performance is absolutely fantastic so far.

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I want Cheoljong, Byung-in and the Queen to work together to fight against the villains.

I like Byung-In, he really wants the Queen's hapiness and saw how the King was bad with her. I mean the scene when he took the concubine and let the Queen on the ground was pretty sad (even if she was faking :p). I prefer Byung-In for now, I find him more charismatic. I don't like how the King is talking, even when he's angry, it makes him boring.

I'm curious about the past. Clearly, Hwa-Jin "stole" the Queen's actions in the past to make Cheoljong fall in love with her.

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can someone pls enlighten me? whose side is the step dad of byung in with? he seem to be loyal to the granny dowager but he also helps the dowager queen? and why he would ask his minion to rob the queens house when he knows the queen and king are also there, with a handful of royal guards?

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He's with the Andong Kims, but there is always a power struggle to gain more control even if they're the same clan and that doesn't mean that he's helping the dowager queen. I believe that he and Cheol-jeong were probably after the same ledger for different reasons - CJ to gather evidence to expose corruption whil Jwa-geun to hold something over the queen's family in case they need to depose the queen or something.

Though I do sense that he's not that loyal to the grand queen dowager and will take any opportunity to seize obvious power for himself (like Bong-hwan said at the beginning, he's the real power in the palace).

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Curious if the Grand Queen Dowager is actually aware of all the stuff Jwa-geun does,it was a scene in one ep were she said she wouldn't forgive those who harm her country that made me think somehow she might not know all the corruption etc. but maybe i viewed it with a more naive look.

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The grand dowager is not a real threat ( at least so it seems), The Uncle is as he is the real power, I dont think she even realize that she is just his puppet too. I think the Grand Dowager just wants to keep the Kim's empowered but the Uncle has far deeper motivations I think. I think the fact that the Uncle/Brother is the real power will eventually come out

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Didn't Byung-in's adoptive father tell BI that there is no such thing as a permanent ally or something similar. I think he ultimately has no loyalties to anyone or anything except his own.

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Yes Kim Jwa-Geun did say the line of no permanent ally. I just came back across it not long ago trying to find the scene when it's mentioned that Byung-in is adopted.

It was downright telling that just before that line, when Byung-in asks which she he's referring to (Queen or Grand Dowager) that his adopted father replied it made no difference--just that trouble be cut off. (Not exact quote, just inference.)

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At first I didn't quite get his intentions, but it seems like the King, with his "team", is trying to uncover all the corruption in the court, and possibly exposing the people who killed most of his family (right??)..He thought the queen was part of it all too, that's why he was ready to even kill her..but there's more to it obviously, and I can't wait to find out!
I wonder what were his feelings about the Queen before, because he is starting to genuinely like her now, but it couldn't have been just hate before??

Also, we have gotten so many different kissing scenes already, but will we ever get a sincere one, where both people are on the same page with their feelings?! xD
I'm looking forward to that!!

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If the king is trying to uncover all the corruptions in the court, he won’t face the Kims alone even though they wield the most power in the country, the Jo’s are just as bad.
That’s why I think it’s more of a revenge for killing his family more than the corruption itself.

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That's true too!

I was thinking about the corruption because of that scene at the end of ep 7 where the King was listing a bunch of politicians and their involvement in it..it's another motive for his actions I hadn't thought much about before this week.

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How can this drama keep getting better and better? Because it does! Thank you Mr Queen for making my Saturday’s fun.

I am firmly team Cheoljong but I like the cousin too. Although the King acts like an imbecile, he is definitely not one. I think Cheoljong will wonder why the well is on the Kim property and ask So Young about it at some point because it would make sense that she was somehow involved since she lived there. So young actually gave Eun Bin good advice when she told her to come clean and be honest with the King but Eun Bin ignored her advice. It’s only a matter of time before that’s revealed. I think So Youngbthinks she was involved in the last Kings death by not keeping a secret and I’m guessing it was actually Eun Bin who probably told the secret but anywho, we shall see.

Now, as for our Mr Queen, my theories are the following, Bongwan is gone (sadly) he is still vegetative But I think he is the Queen reincarnated and when their souls mixed he did go back But I think the Queen woke up now remembers both her past and future life so she thinks she still Bongwan but it isn’t him. Or it could be Bongwan remembering his past life. I wondered this because the memories are coming back so easily now. It will be interesting how the spin this. I more interested in how Bongwan is connected to the Queen than the secrets that will come out. Plus in Go Princess Go, the King and Queen made love when drunk 😵 and she got pregnant so I am wondering if it will happen in this drama too

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Now I'm trying to think of a show that dealt with reincarnation where the past life variant of the soul recalls things that happen in the future due to the soul when it was reincarnated. Argh. No idea what show that might have been. So many reincarnation shows to choose from!

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I didn't think I would like So Yong and Bong Hwan's merging as much as I do. I believe they are the same soul and with this merging they both added something the other needed. For So Yong to stand up for herself and for Bong Hwan to deeply care about someone other than himself.

I totally forgot to mention this last week but did you see that when So Yong falls into the lake she actually comes to the surface when Hwa Jin leaves? I would guess they didn't leave a mistake like this in the final cut so maybe So Yong's night didn't end then. I wonder if she got out and then someone tried to kill her.

I agree that the side characters' story is boring. I think it is just added in there for the laughs but Bong Hwan's shenanigans are funny enough. From the very 1st episode I feel like the writer wastes screentime. This drama is its best when the main characters are on screen.

That little tease of the possibility that Cheoljong and Byeong In might become frenemies wahh.. Byeong In seems rightous and incredibly loyal especially when it comes to So Yong. If he sees she is happy with Cheoljong he might give up his feelings to help the King and save her life.

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I thought they were showing So-young's body floating to the surface in that scene (back up, front of her head underwater--not that she popped up still breathing). 🤔

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UGHHH I HAVE SO MUCH TO DISCUSS!!!
When I said I don't know where this drama is bringing us, i sincerely meant it and was so worried that it would let me down because I couldn't think of any scenario where it would work. But they said nope, we're surprising you.

The decision to make Soyong gradually went back to her own body first starting with emotions and feelings instead of conciousness is so so brilliant. That way, we can see more of Soyong but at the same time not being given the same dead-end she was experiencing that she decided to drown herself. Bonghwan is there to help but also Soyong is there to continue our story now that Bonghwan starts to adapt. I was so worried that they would let Bonghwan be in charge of Soyong's body for too long (because I wanted to know more about Soyong!) but also was not ready to say good bye to Bonghwan and his hijinks.

The second thing that blew my mind is that change in voice over!!!! I have always known they'll use this as a technical sign of something (now we know, Bonghwan weirdly becoming one with Soyong's emotions) but I did not realize when it happened! They have made Bonghwan talked to him(her?)self so much that I had to rewind when exactly did Shin Hyesun began narrating for herself.

And about Shin Hyesun..... I think I have praised her so much for her entire role in this drama but turns out I have not. I don't know how she did that but she somehow plays Bonghwan and Soyong interchangeably but ALSO very distinctive in other moments. Which is mind blowing and so amazing. It is like she's playing 3 characters, Bonghwan, Soyong, and Soyong induced Bonghwan lol.

I will not talk about the kiss, Hwajin's lie, and everything in between because surprisingly.... That's the least interesting part of this brilliant and funny drama!

Ps. Also probably i just couldn't care less about Hwajin any longer, or Prince yangpyeong or smth 🤷 AND DID YOU SEE BONGHWAN'S ABRUBT CHANGE OF ATTITUDE TOWARDS HWAJIN BECAUSE HWAJIN WRONGED 'THIS WOMAN'

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Yes, I am glad you pointed that out.. Now that BH knows Eun Bin true colors.. he totally changed towards her but the advice he gave her as a courtesy was actually good advice but she foolishly ignored it. Eun Bin should come clean to CJ but she wont.

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Yes! I noted his change but forgot about it. The show is nuanced. It shows that though BH is arrogant and slightly questionable on his motivations, he has certain moral values and lines. I love it!

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"The decision to make Soyong gradually went back to her own body first starting with emotions and feelings instead of conciousness is so so brilliant." I was wondering if this was the writer's way of saying that So-young doesn't really WANT to come back because she still feels betrayed or like her hopes are a lost cause, so she's not at the point of wanting to fight for control of her body sort of thing?

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Cheoljong’s growly moment of fierceness reminded me of Lee Min Ho for a sec, but thank God KJH fared better than him 😬

So other than all the Queen-King scenes, one of my favorite is definitely when Hwan thought he was in love with the Queen and berated himself in front of Byung In. Oh the daggers that he unintentionally drove into BI’s heart!

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All I know is I need Choi jin hyuk's inner monologue back. I feel the drama lost some of it magic (?) when they removed him.

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Random thoughts as I watched EP8:

— Why won't Byeong In tell his father about the assassination attempt on the queen? Is he trying to be a hero?
— That Kim Hwan character is mildly annoying. What is his purpose again? The third line to draw a love triangle with Hong Yeon and that other dude?
— Someone needs to knock that concubitch off her high horse. I hoped with the merging of Bong Hwan and So Yong, they would have told her off wo(man) to woman, snark for snark.
— Grand Queen Dowager has been scheming to get rid of the Queen Dowager since EP1. Now that the opportunity has presented itself, what is she waiting for? Why give a defanged snake the chance to grow back its fangs and bite you?
— Queen's Dad is painfully gullible.
— Ok, this pissing contest between the cousin and king is pissing me off. But I think they might become allies in the future while Yeongpyeong could become an enemy.

I've read comments elsewhere that the King/the actor carried this week's episodes. Sorry, but I still find him insipid. Surely it can't be the actor's fault since he was charismatic in CLOY?

Anyways, I felt the king's care for the queen more in EP7. In this episode, it came off like he was just using her in his agenda and also to make Byeong In jealous. I really hope they won't dumb down Bong Hwan (like they do with initially strong female leads) and make him lose his ferociousness now that he's merging with So Yong.

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For Byeong In i guess he know his dad is 'bad'. In his character description, it says he hates being a Kim's.

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I think for your first question, since the assassination attempt happened when the Queen had dressed as a man and sneaked out of the palace to visit a gibang, BY was probably protecting her by not telling his dad.

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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

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When she said Oooh Tango, I was done. I laughed and laughed again. I couldn't tell if she was drunk or sleepy. The merging of the souls is interesting. Hmmmm

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She was drunk, remember she checked to see if she pee'd on herself so she was definitely wasted still. Plus in Go Princess Go, I think this is when the King and Queen sleep together ( when they were both drunk) and that is how she ended up pregnant. I dont know if they will keep true to that or if they will just have them kiss.. but the preview hinted at the King saying more happened but most likely not.. lol..

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Ahhhh, she must have been drinking with the King and BI I didn't notice. Thanks for the clarification.

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Yes, she didnt drink as much as they did but she was drinking alot too.. lol.. especially when the King said he knew she liked him and she tried to pretend she didnt hear him.

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I feel so sad they didn't include here the famous "Tango",those scenes were epic! In Go Princess Go they sleep actually when he burges furious in her chamber trying to kill her with fan active blowing his robes and they have a big fight that ends with them having a ravishing night jajja
Curious if here they will indeed sleep or he will just use her state to make her think they did it.

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i dont think they will have slept together yet but we shall see

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I didn't like how it went in the original show, the queen was completely wasted and didn't even remember that they slept together and only realised it when she got pregnant. To make the matter worse, she was drinking because the plans to return to the original body were not working and was dismayed at the possibility of being stuck in a woman's body.

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Honestly, when the mattress check happened, for a fleeting moment I thought they were finally going to play the "OMG I'M DYING" menses related card so they can play the "humor" up when he's "bleeding out" and in pain. (They could approach it as Bong-Hwan at first assuming an assassination attempt was made, then immediately realizing there's no way he could have slept through being stabbed, no matter how much he drank.) It's the obvious lowbrow humor moment to do with a gender swap in this direction, but I don't know if that's too taboo to touch with a SK audience?

But since there was no blood on the bedding, that wiped my thought right off the possible board.

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The lilac robe was certainly amazing!
And that tango fight!
This drama has the absolute perfect recipe to make a serious scene a comedy but not sacrificing anything !
I can't wait for next week to see where the story is going to go.

I am guessing that there is a childhood trauma thing that involves our Joseon Royal trio.
My prediction: Hwa-Jin won the king over under false pretenses. So Young tried to do good but was shunned due to something/some misunderstanding.
BongHwan is So Young's re-incarnation? and falls for the king too ?
Or is that too far fetched!
Eitherway, I am pumped for his reaction to the kiss because we know that it's gonna be epic!

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am also curious about the reaction of SY/BH to the kiss lol! is he/she going to slap the king or respond mutually? lol. though I see that the kiss is just an excuse, not genuine. so that the king can divert the situation to something else since he is planning to steal something. am just sad with BI, his most distinctive asset is his sad longing eyes.

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I agree. I wish Byung-In is the male lead or the guy who ends up with So Yong. I can't feel anything for Cheoljong. His past devotion to Hwa-jin is a turn-off and there isn't a moment where Cheoljong feels truly heroic or smart. Even in his quest for revenge/justice, he feels naive. I have to agree that when Byung-in was going to kiss So Yong I was begging for him to stop and was so relieved that he stopped.

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Ouch, you are a bit tough on Cheoljong. Lets see, Eun Bin lied and manipulated the situation where she made it seem like she saved his life and was his first love, when she wasnt. Cheoljong lost his ENTIRE family to the Kim Clan and was forced to marry So Young ( whom he logically thought was a spy). Cheoljong is not allowed to have any allies in any positions of power who isnt a KIM. Cheoljong isnt allowed to show any kind intellect or strength without the possibility of being killed by the Kims like they did all of his male relatives before him and despite all of that he managed to outwit them and build a small army trained in combat and gunfare. Cheoljong is ready to die ( and he already said he was) but he doesnt want to die in vain, he wants to make a change for his people and to get rid of the Kim clan. Now that being said, you are a bit tough on our male lead, I can't blame him for being very suspicious of the Queen initially and he always hesitated and went against his brothers wishes when it came to her. I feel that it was actually naive of So Young to think that he would welcome and love her with open arms, So Young KNEW Eun Bin lied about the well situation. Also, she had some idea how rotten her family was and what her family did to his but despite all of that she thought he would love her?? I mean come on.. I love love love Mr. Queen but we still dont know So Young ( Real Queen) that well and it seems like she was incredibly naive. However, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that but CheolJong is the most interesting character to me ( Mr. Queen is the best and funniest of course) because he is such a chamelon. Cheoljong kinda reminds me of Hamlet a little, you know the tragic Danish prince who pretended to be crazy to buy himself some time to come up with a plan to destroy his enemies except CJ isnt pretending to be crazy, he is pretty to be slow when he so obviously is very smart and crafty.

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I agree.

Shin Hye Sun performance as Mr Queen is my great but Kim Jung Hyun's character as King Cheol Jong is my favorite in this drama.

He can't be the usual dashing and powerful king because he has to pretends to be a dumb puppet king. Not only that he has little allies, no support and is married to a woman from Kim's clan for their selfish desire.

Byung In can just barged in and acts kind of arrogant to the king because his adopted father is a powerful official from the Kim's clan. If he is not an adopted by Kim, he lives may be worse than the king himself.

So Yong story is pitiful but she has father, loyal servant and she is from one of the powerful Kim's clan.

While Cheol Jong is a puppet king that can only trust his concubine that lied she was his savior when they are little, his brother that has affection for his concubine and constantly reminding him that his wife is from evil clan and his goofy but loyal best friend.

I don't say that So Yong is not pitiful but she is not the only victim in this story.

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In real life, King Cheol-jong didn't stand a chance. Plucked from obscurity, never raised as a courtier, illiterate, no realistic heirs; he died young and may even have been killed by the Kims who put him into power. I know that the drama isn't supposed to be about historical figures, but it can't stray too far either, since they are named.

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I am hoping they do stray and just use the historical names and nothing more. In Go Princess Go, they actually had a baby together which IRL never happened. I agree he never stood a chance but regardless he was the last Korean King the Kims controlled so I hope they take creative license and make him take power back in this drama. I am all for creative license.. lol..

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GPG is a parody and doesn't use any real name. I don't think they will follow the linear story.

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to be fair with the naive so young, the girl is a rich heiress when his rich dad makes sure that she'll never face hardship since her mother died,
it makes sense that she thought the king will at least be nice to her, especially since she helped her as a child,

what she doesn't anticipate is how the king actually hated her, that broke her
remember she asked if the king can see her as herself and the king says no.

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Wow I did not realize that my comment would make you feel this intense. And yes I know Hamlet. No need to be this patronizing. Chill out.

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Hmm, I wasnt upset, I just pointed out the impossible position CJ was in. Byeong In is in the stronger position because he has all the advantages of being a Kim even though he hates it so from my POV its much harder for CJ and I wasn't being intentionally condescending about Hamlet, just drawing a comparison between him an CJ because CJ is acting stupid whilst Hamlet acted crazy but it was a strategic tactic to distract their enemies. Dont take offense, I dont bully but I will respond. Your entitled to your POV, I just responded on why I think CJ is in a difficult position. LOL, its just an opinion buddy, no one means anything by it, its good that your comment drew so many responses but I dont think anyone was negative per se

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Its been Episode 8 and I agree with you, I also cant feel anything for the King esp him towards the Queen. The last scene where he kissed the Queen just make me mad because its just a way to make BI jealous at the same time to cover up his plan of stealing the ledger. But am curious when he said "her happiness, her misery and her safety is my responsibility.." is he sincere when he said that?

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I'm not watching this drama but I'm here to wave my Mori Fanclub Card. ❤️
cc: @turtuallysarcastic.

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Let me Liiiiiiiiiive!!!😅

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Just some random thoughts:
1. Oh look, the childhood connection. Let's never have a romance drama without that one.
2. Don't kill me now but: Yes, Byung In is dropdead handsome, BUT I find that the feather-beaded hat does not suit his head-shape well. He has a kind of elongated face, and that hat just kind of awkwardly sits on the tip of his skull, It just makes me appreciate more those heads that go well with those sexy hats.
3. That being said: "You should've been mine.." was sooo swoony.
4. Although the actors are killing it, I just can't get behind the main love story - that's beacuse of the whole body swap thing, it's just too weird, I can't.
5. Someone already said this and I see it becoming more and more plausible now: that the cook is the reincarnation of the queen...?

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3. That being said: "You should've been mine.." was sooo swoony.

Hey, you cut the best part, he said
"You should've been mine... and I should've been yours"

That thing slaps hard XD

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You're right, I was too lazy to type it all out, but that was the best part of the sentence :)))

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Hello Beanies. This is my first time commenting here.

I think I have to speak up for the lack of credit KJH is getting.
I don't understand those that are empathetic towards the the queen and not the King. I mean I obviously love Bongwan/Queen,but we have to give most of the empathy to the king. This man's whole family was killed by the said Queen's clan, he's been constantly living in agony because of the experience. I'm sure most of us wouldn't be as understanding of the queen if we were in his shoes. Those castigating him for not showing the queen love or attention should really check themselves (No offense). Let's not even talk about my hatred for the Queen's Cousin.

SHS is obviously doing a great job here but personally,I'm really amazed by KJH's range. All the actors are rocking their roles. Hwaiting!!!

I don't like the fact that some of y'all think SHS is amazing. Personally I wouldn't watch this if not for KJH.

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Excuse me, what was this "I don't like the fact that some of y'all think SHS is amazing" about?!?!?
Yeah, we think Shin Hye-sun is amazing! Deal with it?!
(and I also agree with the part about CJ and KJH, mind you)

To each their own, but maybe next time can you maybe use a different phrasing, please? ><

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Ok I guess my last paragraph came off some sort of way. I wanted to say I don't like the fact that most people think SHS is the only amazing thing in this drama.

And pls you can learn to be polite when replying comments."Yeah Shin Hye Sun is amazing! Deal with it!". I don't appreciate being spoken to that way. Thank you.

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His character aside, didn't that guy get into some controversy with Seohyun? He was rude to her throughout their drama press con, got hated for it and then ended up withdrawing from the drama. That was before CLOY. He really cleaned up his image with CLOY.

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No, this is not what happened AT ALL. This is a horrible version of those events and Kim Jung-hyun frankly deserves better than to be mischaracterised in this way.

On the set of Time, Kim Jung-hyun was suffering from a severe breakdown. He wasn't "rude" in the press conference, he was struggling and the media's insistence on minute deconstructions of the smallest behaviours in front of the camera did not help with that. He dropped out of Time on medical advice because he couldn't physically continue and took time out to get better. He stepped back into filming with CLOY to see if he was well enough to handle working again. Thankfully he's now well enough to be back on our screens and the last thing these people need is nonsense being printed about them when they're brave enough to acknowledge a health problem and get treatment for it rather than suffering in silence until they collapse.

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This...thank you...I was about to write this myself.

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And you believed that? Of course that's what his company would say to save his face. I mean I'm not hating on the guy or anything but we shouldn't just blindly believe everything the media feeds us, learn to cast some doubt on everything you read.

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It's true. I'm most known for my trusting nature and lack of skepticism.
Actual rapists don't get fired from their dramas but it's way more plausible that they ditched him for being rude in a press conference than that he took time off for health problems.

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Let me chime in your discussion about Junghyun. I am an incredibly cynical person in real life but I believe Junghyun's story. It might be news to you but image is everything to Korean celebs. Do you think.. Do you really think that anyone in their right mind would act openly rude in a press conference towards their leading lady who is a member of one of the biggest girlgroups in Korea? I suffer from mental illness and sometimes you feel like 1, you have no strength to smile 2, you wanna burn down everything around you and fck the consequences. I searched for a video to see what he did and you could see on his face he was done with everything, his anger was not directed at Sohyun. Time was a heavy drama and it might have triggered him, we don't know but only people who never suffered from mental illness can say such irresponsible things like you.

He might not be the kindest person but he deserves the benefit of doubt especially when he did nothing criminal.

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I believe KJH's character in Time may have contributed to his health problems. He stated himself he was very immersed in his character and even stayed in character off camera (method acting). Next thing, his doctor diagnosed him with sleeping and eating disorder. He had played a happy character in Waikiki before being cast into Time in a short period of time, and perhaps that 180 degree turn effected him. I believe his story. Agree, who in their right mind would purposely sabotage their career that is just taking off from a very successful drama (Waikiki) and act rudely to a GG member openly in public with many cameras to capture everything?

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oh wow hahahaha this is never ending

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we discuss his character why you would bring this up? and you dare to say nothing about disliking the actor

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Some of us are able to live in a universe where BOTH are amazing actors who deserve all the lead parts they can get.

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Right.

Our Mr Queen and King performance in here are great and they have good chemistry together.

I don't know why there should be a competition when they compliment each other well.

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I love both characters to be honest. I love SHS because she is the show, I mean the title is No Touch Princess/Queen Cheorin/Mr. Queen. So yes, she is the main main lead but I love KJH and he is doing well showing the duplicitous nature of the King. Strong in private and a puppet in public. I find Mr. Queens character the best and most fun but I find the King's character most interesting.

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I too keep leaning towards Byung In. He loved So Yong genuinely for the longest time....but now he sees Queen, her unhappiness and is fully realizing his folly in letting her go. He also is aware that his adoptive dad is willing to sacrifice So Yong at any moment if need be. So, he is fighting all of Jo, Kim Clan and the King's plans. There's something very swoony about that. Na In Woo is also really killing it selling the tortured from inside, hopelessly in love hot second lead. Although him intensely trying to kiss So Yong possessively while she slept did set off alarms but I am glad he had enough sense to back off. Consent matters. In their first kiss So Yong was aware of him, she kissed him back. This isn't that situation. As for Choljeong, he definitely stepped up this week. I am glad that he is unwittingly falling for So Yong. But I am still not sold because he loves Hwa Jin and So Yong in a weird way now at the same time, both of them. There's something off putting there for me. But otherwise this week was solid. Hwa Jin is making one disastrous mistake after another. She should not have joined forces with Dowager Queen, she has no loyalty to Choljeong just like Grand Dowager Queen has no loyalty towards So Yong. So, that was just stupid on her part. As for So Bong, I still think its So Yong, that botched exorcism somehow gave her false memories and she thinks she is Bong Hwan like some form of identity crisis. That is why all her memories, skills are back. I am loving Shin Hye Sun though. She has this very, soft, filled with love look on the flash backs with Choljeong that is starkly different to her current persona. She really is nailing it. I laughed when So Bong started to plot advanced revenge on secretary Han. Her face changing from confused, contemplating to evil was pure work of art. All in all, solid 8 episodes. Cant wait to see how they go forth from here.

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I think Byeon In action is understandable,
he likes her, he let her go to be the queen because she wants it too. After she enter the palace, what he saw is how she drowned and coma for several days, get an attempted murder right after her wedding, almost getting dethroned and see the king shows his love to another woman in public.

It's too much for him to let So Yong stay inside the palace like that

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hahahah, when she is planning to get rid of Mr. Han's 3 generations of ancestors and her face while thinking of that, I kept laughing! Im really sad for Byung In. Those puppy sad eyes. sigh. Am not sold with the ep 8 kissing scene as the way I interpret it, the king just used that opportunity so he will not be questioned about his botched plan to steal the ledger and to get back at BI since he knows he loves the queen.

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We call it jealousy attack

He will retreat because we hurts his feeling,

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Little Mermaid is a hint here I guess. You know about the Mermaid lost her voice for her feet and So Young lost her voice for her smell.
But in the real story, the mermaid saving the prince but the prince end up with other princess and the mermaid died as a bubble in the sea.
So I think we got hint in this episode. Long time ago, Cheoljong trap in the well and So Young saved him but seems like Hwa-jin pretend to be the one who saved him, so Cheoljong likes Hwa-Jin without knowing that the one who saved him is actually So Young.
I think that moment is their first encounter, when they actually fallen in love but Cheoljong mistake the person.

Cause I saw that So Young is really excited for becoming a queen and Cheoljong wife but she shocked that Cheoljong look at her with that disdain looks just because she's coming from Kim clan.

I think Kim clan asking So Young to do something that will cause something bad with Cheoljong, so she don't know what to do, the one that she loves hates him, the family asking her to hurt him, so she chose to step down as a queen by pretending to be a bitch but the Grand Queen Dowager knew that and can't accept that. So the other way for her to gone is died. Just like Litle Mermaid.

If my theory correct that will makes me feeling bad for So young. She deserved a happy ending

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Am wondering what is the significance of the phoenix (symbol) for the King? There was a scene where the queen and king are drinking, and then the queen suspects the king put poison in her drink and then they quarreled, the king pull the queen's hair pin, if he indeed poisoned her, she should poke the pin to his neck. Eventually, the king stormed out of the room with the hair pin grasped in his hand and he gazed at it intently (particulary the hair pins phoenix design tip). and then now, the final scene with the constipated-faced concubine where she was given a phoenix hair pin which supposedly only a queen should wear. Any insights?

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Phoenix is symbol reserved for the Queen of the imperial family so the queen is using her identity to prove her innocence and protect herself from the King.

For the concubine, it probably to show that she is gonna be the queen so they prepared it earlier for her.

In traditional Korean society, married women used to brush their long hair into neat buns, and the Binyeo was used to hold the bun in place. The Binyeo, however, was more than just a practical accessory since Korean ancestors believed each Binyeo carried a special spell, which captured the wearer’s soul.

In other words, they viewed it as a reflection of the woman’s inner self. If the women were to lose or take off her Binyeo, it was believed that she would lose her fidelity and dignity.

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No wonder the king returns the hair pin to so yong and then knelt down. Like the hair pin is that really important

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I'm still puzzled by why he hid the non phoenix hairpin behind his back from his brother in that scene after he picks it up from the rock by the lake.

If it is about soul, then whose soul is supposed to be linked to that hairpin? Did it used to be the Queen's mother's pin? I feel like the hairpin is somehow related to the well somehow--so now I'm waiting to see the story unfold of how did the Queen come to have that particular hairpin. Perhaps that will be a flashback in a future ep?

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Funny how everyone has such varied tastes, because I am ALL for our Cheol-jong. I find him particularly dashing (Yes, the lilac did play a part). To me, whether a handsome figure in maroon or not, Byeong-in is but a mere (incestuous) fly to swat away in my mission to see Cheol-jong and So-young fall deep in love.

My favourite comedic parts are definitely when Bong-hwan tried to exorcise So-yong's soul from the body with flowers and water, and Cheol-jong's befuddled, mildly concerned reaction. Haha.

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As I remember Byeong In is adopted so he doesn't actually related to So Young.

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since Byeong In is adopted, he couldnt be a King? since he also from the Kim clan. it was said the Queen's Uncle (BI stepdad) has the true power. he is also the one who install CH to be the king. if that is so, they y he cant just make Byeon In king? lol maybe am thinking too much already.

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They are related by marriage not blood😅

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The more the queen pushes the king away, the more the king sticks himself like a glue to the queen!
Rather than make BI jealous I want to turn the table around. I really really really want to see how the king looks like if he gets jealous if BI gets closer to the queen.

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I loved these two episodes so much! I am also obsessed with Byeong In more so than the Cheoljong's character. Even though sometimes he does too much, he's just so cute and protective of our queen without an ulterior motive and thats what I appreciate. I can't wait until the true face of Hwa Jin is revealed because I am frankly tired of her act. This show is so amazing so far I hope it continues during the second half of the story!

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ME TOOOOOOOOOOOO! I thought am the only one feeling this way (obsessed you say? oh yes count in me in!). so happy to read your comment. Byeong In super swoony. I want the queen and BI to have more airtime together and of course make the king jealous. at this rate (ep 8), am not sure if the king already had genuine feelings to the queen or he is just using her for his motives to uncover the corruptions and to avenge his family.

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Mr Queen has to be one of my most favourite dramas this cycle. Equal parts hilarity and seriousness combine in to absolute magic. This drama does multiple perspectives so well. The fight/tango was my favorite. The acting is so well done by our leading lady that i didn't even realise that the inner voice changed until it was pointed out! it was just so natural. We can really see the struggle between the growing feelings for the king (from so yong's memories and feelings) and and bong hwang's resistance to it. I am also intrigued by the well. I have an inkling that Hwajin had something to do with the king being in the well. or that the one to go down and try to help was so yong but somehow he confused it with hwa jin. I am eagerly waiting next weeks episodes.

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Thanks for the weecap.

Reached the  "Get lost, woman! moment", remembered and laughed out loud..😂🤪😂

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I just knew that some people will feel a huge turn off with Byeong In's one sided almost kiss after that mushy declaration of "You should have been mine, and i should have been yours" but to be honest, im glad that he found it iffy himself and backed off, that was a plus point in my book on top of those gut wrenching and melancholy gazes he landed upon Kim So Yong every damn time he could. I think a tender and soft kiss on the forehead would make people root him even more as it symbolizes his longing, but that almost kiss symbolizes his intent to possess. It seems the show will take his route to obsessive-ish love, shame since he has good intentions and good foundation and reasons for his strong need to protect So Yong.

But i love angst, Cheoljong angsty point of view towards the Queen the entire time he found out he was mistaken about her was soooo delicious to take. The angst where all i could see was Byeong In's longing and pain to see So Yong is... marvelous. These two potential lead really servin me some melancholy gazes, it reflected greatly in both of their eyea and IIIII LOVEEE THEM BOTHHH FOR THAT.

Anyway, i couldn't care less about the potential romance for Hwajin and Cheoljong's brother. Im not interested.

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If anything, these two eps just have me screaming "GET ON WITH REVEALING THE TRUTH OF THE PAST ALREADY!"

I'm not normally in such a rush for past history reveals, but for some reason the way they're handling the "hints" is driving me nuts. I guess it's because it doesn't feel so much as the usual trail of breadcrumbs as it does a carrot on a stick repeatedly being jerked away just when we might start understanding something more fully. Does that make sense?

I mean, if the writer did this purposefully to try to show the frustration of Bong-Hwan not knowing enough of the Queen's past to help his current day dealing with everything...then KUDOS. I am frustrated!

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