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Twenty Five Twenty One: Episodes 7-8 Open Thread

What should have been a glorious moment gets embroiled in controversy, prompting our fencers to confront why they fence in the first place and whom they can turn to when they’re at their lowest. Meanwhile, new and complex feelings are cropping up in uncomfortable places.


 
EPISODES 7-8 WEECAP

This week, we learn that Hee-do started fencing in the first place due to her father, who encouraged her to try the sport but passed away from an illness before he could see her win a gold medal. He also urged her to only keep going with it for enjoyment’s sake – not for wins and accolades – and preemptively warned her that success come in steps, not a straight line.

In the present day, adult Hee-do tells Min-chae the same thing. She gives Min-chae permission to quit ballet if she only liked it for the compliments, but asks her to reconsider giving up if she genuinely loved dance itself and only wanted to quit because she wasn’t seeing immediate improvement.

But while Hee-do loves fencing for fencing’s sake and for the connection with her father, Yoo-rim seems to pursue it largely out of a sense of obligation. She knows that the sport she chose was tough for her family to swing financially, so she feels she has to be the very best to repay them for everything they’ve sacrificed for her.

With such high stakes, the gold medal match is intense. At one point, Yoo-rim’s sword breaks clean off the hilt, shattering her nerves and allowing Hee-do to make up a few points. They’re tied going into the final point, and both attack simultaneously. It’s so close, not even the camera shows who was faster, but the referee rules in Hee-do’s favor.

Yoo-rim challenges it, but the referee stands by his call, and Hee-do is awarded the medal. Yoo-rim crumbles in tears, and even Hee-do can’t help feeling sorry for her. When Yi-jin interviews her and asks about the hardest moment of the match, she looks over at Yoo-rim crying while all the cameras flash in her face and decides it’s this moment.

But it only gets worse from there. The populace, who already love Yoo-rim and know next to nothing about Hee-do, express outrage, and the media jumps on the chance to up their ratings. The story spins into a frenzy, accusing Hee-do of stealing Yoo-rim’s medal and even speculating she may have bribed the referee.

At a live press conference, the girls are asked to speak on the controversy, and both stick to their guns, each equally convinced they were faster. The barrage of thinly veiled accusations overwhelms Hee-do, who finally asks point-blank if they would have preferred she purposely lose and then takes off her medal and runs out, followed by Yoo-rim.

In the end, both girls are sent home until a disciplinary committee can decide what to do about the scene they caused. Hee-do watches as Yoo-rim’s father picks her up from the train station with a hug; meanwhile, she’s seen her own mother state on national television that she stole Yoo-rim’s medal.

We also learn that Hee-do’s mom had a hand in televising the controversy that led to Coach Yang being forced to step down from coaching the national team, having been accused of taking bribes. Hee-do’s mom prioritizes her job as a reporter over her personal feelings, and though she does feel sorry, she doesn’t let on to anyone – except Min-chae, years later.

But, though it’s not immediately apparent in the heart of the media storm, Hee-do’s not without support. There’s a beautiful moment when she arrives home and stops in a little restaurant (so she doesn’t have to face her mother) where some kindly grandpas at the next table over recognize her – but they sympathize with her and even congratulate her on winning gold.

Of course, Hee-do’s greatest support comes from Yi-jin, who gets all teary when she’s initially announced the winner. After the press conference, Hee-do runs off to be alone, but Yi-jin tracks her down and nags at her out of concern. Desperate to prove herself, she pulls out her swords and makes him feel for himself how obvious it is to the fencers involved who struck the point first.

Following that, Yi-jin chases down the referee and convinces him to give a statement reiterating that Hee-do won fairly. Ultimately, the girls are suspended for three months, but allowed to continue training with Coach Yang.

As the controversy starts to blow over, however, Hee-do finds herself battling feelings of a very different kind. By chance, she learns about two of Yi-jin’s past girlfriends, and that sparks jealousy – even if she doesn’t fully understand it.

Hee-do thinks she’s jealous of Yi-jin in the sense that she wishes she were as mature as he is. He makes bumbling mistakes as a rookie reporter – like freezing in the middle of a live report because his laptop gave him the blue screen of death – but he’s able to handle them in a way that doesn’t make the problem bigger, unlike her press conference walkout.

She’s becoming more and more aware of the age gap between them – and, more specifically, that it matters – and finds herself getting flustered in his presence. And she gets hurt and upset when he teases her, not liking being made to feel like a little kid instead of his peer.

Speaking of complicated feelings, Yoo-rim’s family takes yet another financial hit. Barely holding up under all the weight on her shoulders, and having no one to confide in, Yoo-rim ends up at the top of a high-dive board in what at first appears to be a suicide attempt. But after plunging into the water, she quickly surfaces to sob her heart out while clinging to the side of the pool.

Hee-do witnesses this, but doesn’t know what to do – especially as she remembers seeing Yoo-rim’s wet clothes in their dorm and realizes this is a regular occurrence. She tells her chat friend (whom she doesn’t realize is Yoo-rim) about seeing her former idol cry, noting from said friend’s reply that she might be going through a hard time, too. They decide to meet up, designating a yellow rose as their identifying mark since they don’t even know each other’s gender or age.

Yi-jin finds out Yoo-rim is going to meet an internet friend, and being a good oppa he insists on accompanying her to make sure it’s safe. Just when you’d think this can’t get any more awkward, Yoo-rim is the first to spot Hee-do carrying a yellow rose and realize what it means… and shoves her rose into Yi-jin’s hands and takes off running.

Hee-do reaches the obvious conclusion that Yi-jin has been her chat friend all this time, and that leads her to an even more startling discovery: she hasn’t been jealous of him – she’s been upset because she thought she wasn’t good enough for him.

She walks right up to Yi-jin (who looks like he’d rather be anywhere else but can’t figure out how to get himself out of this) and declares, “I have to have you.”

 
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The aftermath of the duel in ep 7 reminded me of the recent Olympics Ladies figure skating event, when the Silver medallist threw the mother of all tantrums over her medal and the Gold medallist was just standing there looking like she was slowly dying inside.

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I thought of the exact same thing. So sad :(

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Omigoodness, I hadn't thought of that but you're so right!

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I felt so sorry for Anna Shcherbakova. She couldn't even celebrate or be happy with winning gold because three people were sobbing and melting down around her. It was heartbreaking watching her sit by herself with no one to congratulate her. Anna was just like Hee-do in feeling that no one wanted them to win because others were the favorites.

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Reading it doesn't do it justice, you have to watch it to understand the horror. Kamila Valieva is the last skater. https://planethanyu.com/video/view/2305-2022-olympics-womens-fs-nbc/

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Show is making me feel for Yurim. I understand her situation and where she’s coming from. But sometimes, I want her to see Heedo for who she is and not as a punching bag for what’s going with her. Nonetheless, the media, national bearded coach and the federation are to blame. They should’ve guided these two athletes but instead they focused on their own agendas. Tsk tsk tsk

Anyways, our OTP! I think that scene in the basement with that arm thing exercise when Hee-do got embarrassed with her expression as Yi-jin looked at her was a shout-out to WFKBJ Iirc, Joon-hyung said he did not mind that expression or an athlete should not ashamed of that or something like that. Or maybe it’s just me connecting the two NJH roles. 😅

Based on the premise, we are now finished with 19-23 and will be entering 20-24, when they both got hurt. Angst territory, must prepare tissues.

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Thanks for the recap!!
It was really fresh (and gutting) how they turned Hee-Do’s fairytale achievement into a heartbreaking moment. I’ve not liked Yu-Rim’s bad attitude the whole way through the series, so she’d better do some reverse grovelling now she knows who’s been supporting her all this time!!
I still wish they hadn’t included the present day timeline as it makes the story less of a youthful discovery and more a sad look at the past…
Love Yi-Jin and Hee-Do and hope that she keeps her young wise mindset instead of trying to grow up too fast. CAN’T WAIT TIL SATURDAY!!!

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I love Hee Do but i can understand Yu Rim too. But the latter needs to grow and now knowing who she was talking to all along, maybe she'll realize how Hee Do sees her and what she does in return. I can't understand Hee Do's mom though. The girl already has it tough, if she can't be biased on the news atleast she can show some affection to her in person. Hee do really has no place to belong to other than her coach and BYJ. Coming to that, I'm not happy with BYJ being the mistaken Injeolmi. They should've kept that Yurim. Plus one person knowing and the other doesn't disturbs the equilibrium of their relationship. Let's see what they'll do with that. Overall this show has my heart, all of it. But i really want Hee do to graduate high school and leave that uniform. Now that she's starting to see BYJ in a new light the uniform creeps me out because she's still a minor (korean 19 is 17 or 18 elsewhere). As the synopsis goes, there will be no romance till she's 21 at least, which seems more acceptable lol even if the age difference remains the same.

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My interest waned this week. Episode 7 was good as usual. I felt for Hee-do, wanted to knock some sense into Yurim and that scene with Kim Tae Ri and Nam Joo Hyuk standing in the middle of nowhere with Heedo trying to prove her win was valid is special. Heedo's dad's smile was a bit creepy though (over sweet parenty stuff).
And I don't remember what happened in Episode 8 at all. There was some singing in the pool area and breaking in the school but it didn't hit me like the previous episodes. Oh Oh I liked Hee do noticing Yi Jin being a grown up and feeling the age gap. I was quite okay with them not having any romance between these two from the beginning but I liked that they showed quiet observation and awareness/ acknowledgement of the age gap from the younger party of the lead pair.

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The story reached its limit with their age. I didn't think the story in highschool would last so long. I think episode 8 was the weakest for that.

For Yoo-Rim, the first time she met Hee-Do, the coach said explicitly that Hee-Do gave her expensive baskets, with her reputation to have accepted bribes from parents when she was coach in the national team and the fact Yoo-Rim lost her sponsor because of IMF crise, she put Hee-Do in the category of the rich brats. Sometimes, teenagers need a ennemy to focus all the bad things happening in their life, Yoo-Rim doesn't want to see Hee-Do's hard work. Teenagers are stubborn :p

For the competition, both of them let their emotions dictated their behavior.

I was so sad they didn't meet as pen friends. I was expecting this moment!

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I was sad, too, and the moment when Hee-do said, "I have to have you," to Yi-jin was the first moment in this drama that didn't work for me. It was too ridiculous.

I'm getting tired of Yoo-rim's self-absorption, and I'm also really taken aback by how cold Hee-do's mom is. She really doesn't show any warmth to her child at all. Hee-do's father was so different, I'm surprised they were together. I also wonder what changed to make her a warmer and more loving grandmother?

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Being a single mother and a career woman in a very competitive job should must have been very difficult. Then, there was the IMF crisis.

Hee-Do and her father had a strong bond, maybe the mother felt left out and when the father died, she didn't have any connection with her daughter. She didn't know how to approach her daughter because it was her husband's role.

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That makes sense. They went to France for her mom's career. It seems the traditional gender roles were switched with her mom being the career woman and her dad the caretaker. I'm sure her mom had to be tough and show no weakness to succeed in her career and unfortunately, she has carried that over to being a mom too.

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@lindag She understood the "tough” part, but is missing the "love". It was interesting how Yi Jin went out of his way to change the narrative and offer protection while Hee Do's mom was a passive purveyor of the news. Call it professionalism or detachment, but I would have been O-U-T. Shielding her child, in this case, should have taken precedence over the job.

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Out? How can she risk to loose her job at this moment?

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@kurama

While I respect the hustle of single parenthood, I’m definitely not a fan of Hee Do’s mom’s parenting. It can be said that they were never close since the father filled the nurturing role, but I’m lying if I deny how my stomach turned as they deliberated spinning the news following the match, while her mother kept mum. I say that I would be out of that situation because I can’t imagine choosing between protecting my loved ones or maintaining a career. Fine, she’s the sole breadwinner and her salary pays for Hee Do’s fencing and schooling, but can money buy love? At present, Hee Do doesn’t feel loved by her mother. Simply put, her mother appears the least bothered about her daughter’s feelings as long as she provides for her basic needs.

Even the fencing was a fight, it’s a fraught relationship. Despite this, I know that Hee Do’s mom loves her daughter because she could just as easily give her up or refuse outright to pay for the fencing. Still, I look at this from the emotional aspect and cannot reconcile what I’m seeing with how I would act, and truthfully Hee Do’s mom should have disclosed long ago the conflict of interest. Someone else should have taken the story, yet she broadcasted like nothing was amiss. Worse yet, I don’t believe Hee Do was completely shocked by her actions. Your loved ones should be able to count on you, everything else aside and I can’t say that Hee Do’s mom has been that support to her daughter.

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The mother should talk to her daughter about her feelings too. I agree. But as a journalist she must be neutral. She's an announcer. She gives every news : economic, politics, and sport. She's not the one who makes the reportages.

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I actually thought that in that scenario/situation, it would have been more disadvantageous for the mother and child relationship to be revealed if she took sides. Then it will become more controversial as ever, and more gossip will circulate about the mother's influence over the decision. So I was relieved that the mother at least remained neutral in public. This was also why YiJin got scolded by his sunbae. I agree however that she should have at least spoke to her daughter and provided some comfort privately.

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Not having their relationship revealed is the only possible reason for why she didn't take a stance. Honestly, Hee do's mom has previously spoken in favor of things she thinks is right for instance when she held her stance to employee high school students in this tumultuous time, even arguing with her sunbae. So she could have done that because the news was biased using words like stolen. It could totally be rephrased as something impartial and yes that wouldn't have been as sensational and she could get some criticism from her colleagues for that, she could at least voice her opinion, but she chose not to.

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She didn't need to shield her child, but apparently no one even knows that she is Hee-Do's mother. That's really weird...dynamics might have been less vicious if they knew it. I can totally see why Hee-Do didn't want to return home...mom would just justify herself and ignore Hee-Do's situation.

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Dad was the warmest! I doubt mom could ever beat that however, that does not excuse her actions at all. If she did feel sorry enough to regret her decisions of being a newscaster, then she should have told her daughter that and not let her read between the lines.

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The 'I have to have you' line felt a bit out of place to me as well. I really hope YJ clears it up and there's no case of mistaken identity trope here.

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@parkchuna, same, I'm going to be disappointed if the screenwriter chooses to use it as a source of narrative tension; she's done so well thus far.

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@kurama I agree with you. Yu Rim is largely blind to Hee Do's redeeming qualities and consistent hardwork, choosing not to accept them. The reason you gave is perfect. She's also very insecure around Hee Do, making for the frigid interactions. Definitely not an excuse.

Just because you refuse to lose does not mean that you cannot lose. There should have been greater sportsmanship from Yu Rim because she undoubtedly took someone else's gold medal when she won, but Hee Do shouldn't have won because it hurt her feelings? I know emotions were running high, but the aftermath of the match was handled so very poorly.

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Yoo-Rim thought she was faster.

There are a lot of bad decisions taken by referee too.

Now, Hee-Do is lovely but it doesn't mean everybody must love her. We do. Yoo-Rim not. But she was never malicious. She could talk behind Hee-Do's back (teenager girls thing), asked the younger members of the team to choose between her and Hee-Doo, etc.

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@kurama Yu Rim could have thought she was faster but respected the Ref’s decision. I bring to mind the former gold medalist because it is important to consider how Yu Rim would have felt if her victory and hard work were cast in aspersion. You can be upset or disappointed about an outcome, but still put others first. Yu Rim tends to have her priorities set and besides fencing, family and school, she doesn’t think about much else. This can be due to her financial status and pressures to succeed, but the fact remains that this is a selfish attitude. She should have been more responsible. An athlete knows that victory and loss are two faces of the same coin, but she has never displayed sportsmanship towards Hee Do. I don’t think she’s a villain, but selfish and insecure when it comes to her rival.

It would be weird if everyone blindly loved Hee Do, but it gives me pause when someone hates another person for no apparent reason. That seems like a “you” problem of Yu Rim’s, and I’m not sure she should get props for not being completely sinister since she’s not nice to Hee Do, either. If anything, she tries to belittle Hee Do and make her feel unimportant, and truthfully, who would like that? That’s just a different type of bullying and aggression. Not everyone will punch you in the face and some will tear you down with words and gestures just as easily.

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This! Why yu rim does what yu rim does is understandable but that is turning her into an insecure and selfish person. Moreover she does to Hee Do is actually not justifiable anyway, she's bullying her through her mean comments every single time she meets her. So just that she's not making her colleagues take sides between her and Hee do doesn't mean she's not being mean and petty. That's enough to bring someone's morale down and honestly makes them hate you. Hee do is still being nice enough to Yu rim to see her other side and tries her best to talk to her. Yu rim's hatred towards Hee do is stemming from sth that isn't related to Hee do, she's just taking it out on her and if that's not bullying or mean behavior, idk what is.

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Yu Rim is a conflicting character. You see the pressure that grown ASS adults put on her, as well as, the pedestal that her loyal fans put on her as well. The middle man. Get's treated like crap, so she treats others like crap. With the chip on her shoulder from dealing with loss left and right, I can understand why she is the way she is. However, I will NEVER, excuse the kind of behavior she has towards Hee Do.

Watching the last episode, another pet peeve that I had was the friends putting all the blame on Hee Do. That the cause of the awkwardness was due in large part to her. Or maybe it was the guy telling Hee Do that she should be the one to leave. That pissed me off. Bruh...

I have to have you.

Yessssss Hee Do! I love her take charge attitude, it honestly balances with Yi Jin's calm nature. Even when he is flustered, he still maintains calm and I think his flirtiness flusters Hee Do and I absolutely love him for it. I wonder how he will explain about the pen pal though. I don't need that to be a miscommunication issue. Those two have done so well without that kind of trope.

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When Yu-rim refused to leave, I wished Hee-do had walked away. I know she likes Yi-jin and Ji-woong is blinded by love, but being with Yu-rim is toxic and not worth it.

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Yu-rim is spoiled in my opinion. She is used to getting what she wants and the sucky part is that she is hardworking!

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Episode 7 damn damn. I understand Yoo Rim, and I honestly do believe she didn't realize the consequences of her arguing with the ref. She feels inadequate to Hee Doo already, so it didn't occur to her that most people would bash Hee Doo. She was fighting for her right as an athlete. At the same Hee Doo deserved none of that and her mother is a piece of work. She couldn't even tell her daughter congrats on the medal. She was hurting and rightfully so. I cried when she cried. I too am disappointed in the Injeolmi switcheroo I hope they clear it up quickly. I also want them out of high school now too, it has gone on long enough.

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This drama reminds me that these national athletes are just teenagers. Just like how it is in the Olympics too. It's easy to think of them as being more mature since they're out there representing their countries and being at the pinnacle of their career ....ugh how sad to think of being at the pinnacle as a teen and then it's all downhill from there... but they are kids who may actually be more sheltered because they spend so much time training.

I think it's Sept 1999 at this point. I think the kids are seniors and halfway through the school year. So they should be out soon since the korean school year ends in Feb.

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This is well said. I'm hoping the next episode is the last episode in high school.

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Fencing is a sport I've never had any interest in, but this show has me so hyped up during the matches that I wouldn't mind watching some real competitions. It was so sad seeing Hee-do's moment overshadowed by controversy, mostly thanks to people jumping to conclusions about something they don't understand. I cried along with Hee-do when the grandpas knew exactly how things were and congratulated her.

Episode 8 had some good moments, but I feel it just kind of stalled out in this awkwardness so I really hope they clear up that misunderstanding fast. Then graduate.

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Fencing should be a computerized sport in place of referees. Can they not program a computer to do if the green light comes on, then the red light cannot come on?

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Episode 7 was hard to watch for me because I can't imagine how hard it must have been for Hee-do to have her win vacated or doubted. This sort of behavior is not too far off from real life though.....everyone wants their favorite candidate to win, whether it is sports, or politics (no examples need to be provided here). The scene in the little restaurant where the old guys offered Hee-do a drink though was a nice touch!

I'm a little confused about where next week's episode is going because this whole potential romance angle between Hee-do and Yi-jin feels inappropriate. I did wonder if Yu-rim was about to not surface from a pool for a moment though.

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One of the things I really like about this drama is the inclusion of tiny details which reveal lots. Ep7: the moment when Yi-jin tears up at Hee-do's victory was beautiful. It gave us such insight into the way he genuinely wants her to succeed and gets as much out of her success as she does; also how he is her support team despite everyone else failing spectacularly. With the assumption that they don't end up together (Min-chae's lack of knowledge as to who he is), I am puzzled as to how and why it's all going to end - especially as we're 8 eps in and they're not even together yet...

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i totally agree with you on this. I initially thought that Min Chae's dad is dead since he was not in the picture at all. And Hee Do's mom ever mentioned to adult Hee Do that she met Yi Jin. I was hoping that the adult Hee Do and adult Yi Jin would meet up and perhaps love blooms (again). But the starting of the episod showed Min Chae's dad bought her a ballet dress and back from overseas (and quarantined). Please let them be divorced! hahahaha....

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The slow burn is KILLING me!! Esp as the show so far seems to delight in making it clear that NHD and BYJ didn’t marry each other! *bawls*

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still continue to love the tone of this show and can't wait for each episode!! honestly haven't felt like this about a drama in a long time. it's so hopeful and all the characters have a great deal of depth. of course heedo is the fave for me as well. similarly to what others have said so far, i hope we move into the 2521 territory sooner rather than later because as much as i love seeing any heedo/yijin moments, i'm getting a bit impatient about the ages. i'm pretty sure yijin already is starting to realize what's happening and i'm kind of curious to go into his headspace in regards to his feelings. also are we gonna get to the beach scene they have in the opening anytime soon? we're already halfway through and still waiting on things that were teased before the show started lol

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I think the scene where yi jin thinks about hee do drawing the dress over the bikini after she yelled at him is a tiny glimpse into what yi jin's feeling are. I think my favourite part of the episode with a haunting ost in the background.

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true! if he realizes his feelings he probably won't act on them tho until she's out of hs (which is right but i want it to speed uppp).

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I love that about him. He has the maturity to know that he may like her, but she is still young and in high school.

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Hee-Do's mum is very hard to like, and the scene where she's talking to Min-Chae about how Hee-Do ought to have understood she had to be impartial as a reporter was frustrating, to say the least.

I actually found it a bit of a stretch how the reporters just invented a bribery scenario on the spot and then everyone treated that as the most plausible scenario, and Hee-Do's mum helped to cement that narrative by referencing it on the news. The fencing coach, for one, would know how ludicrous that situation was and should have spoken out during the conference (even if he'd favoured Yu-Rim to win). I get that the goal here is to make our hearts ache for Hee-Do over the unfairness of the situation, but I didn't fully buy as a plausible series of events and therefore felt a bit manipulated by the show.

Along the same lines, I feel a bit gaslit by how mum/grandma is portrayed as so warm and likeable in 2022, and acts as if she wasn't in the wrong back then. Nothing we've seen so far gives her the right to do that. Even if she had to be a professional at work, how hard would it be to say "good job" at the very least? She puts her work role miles ahead of her role as a parent.

Like others have said, I'm getting impatient with Yu-Rim, but I still love love love this show. Hee-Do is one of my alltime favourite kdrama characters.

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The present-day timeline prevents me from loving this show. I really dislike adult Hee-do, Min-chae, and Grandma (and hate Covid). When Mom asked Min-chae, "Do you know how I felt having to attack my daughter?" Then tell her. How is Hee-do supposed to know if she never communicated that that made her regret her career as a news anchor?

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Hated that scene in the present (Minchae and grandma) because it's as if they wanted us to care for Heedo's mom and see her perspective, but it was 20+ years too late, and she was saying those words to the wrong person anyway!
Also they made Heedo appear to be the one that doesn't understand others, or is self centered, but she is not! And she is the kid, she is allowed to be less rational than her adult mother.

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I didn’t really like that scene either. I’m getting the feeling that the scriptwriter wanted to instill doubt in viewers as to whether Heedo is a trustworthy narrator by having the mom contradict some of the things written in the diary. However, it isn’t working. The mom is not a likable character, so us viewers have no reason to trust her over teenage Heedo. Also, it does come off as the mother trying to win sympathy points with her granddaughter by revealing things she has kept secret from her own daughter for over 20 years and making herself out to be the misunderstood victim.

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Yeah! You said it well, about trying to win sympathy points! It felt the same for me!

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Agree with the collective dismay being expressed over both Hee Do's mother's choices as well as the present-day timeline. Wrt the latter, I am genuinely terrified for ep 16. This show is such a magical combination of everything good in a K-drama (acting! chemistry! script! direction! OST! cinematography!)... but I will be absolutely devastated if they turn this into a tearjerker. Oi, screenwriter, with real life being what it is these days, we don't need more crappy reality, OK, so just give us our fairytale ending, y'hear?!

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My heart ached for Hee-Do amidst the medal controversy. She worked so hard for it and until she met the kind grandpas at the restaurant, no one had told her, “You done good.” I liked the father storylines in Ep 7. Hee-Do’s memories of her dad and how she wished he was alive to share it with him. She probably felt like if her dad was still alive he at least would have her back. The look on her face when she saw Yoo-Rim’s father pick her up was tough. There was no one waiting for Hee-Do. But I also like the fact that although Yoo-Rim’s father was there for her, he didn’t coddle his daughter. He imparted fatherly wisdom and tried to guide his daughter. Speaking of Yoo-Rim, she really came off as a Prima Donna. I wanted to tell her to get over herself. Quick.
I’m glad this show balances the heart wrenching with comedy. The last scene of Ep 7 when Hee-Do is listening to Yi-Jin’s love confession on tape was hilarious. Especially with the look on Hee-Do’s face accompanied by the menacing music.

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My only gripe with the show is the parents!! Adult hee do and her dad cannot for the love of god act, at all!!! I mean, guys how are you this bad?! Also seems like they never understood the characters or envied themselves as the adult version of the characters njh and ktr are playing! Feels like two complete dramas when they show the adult version vs the past versions. Feels like show ran out of budget when they cast big names like ktr and njh, so they just cast however to play the younger versions.

And hee do’s mom, although can act is a terrible mom who is very hard to like.

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We didn't see adult Baek Yi-jin.

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Yes. But so far we have seen heedo adult version who seems to be terrible as her portrayal of nhd feels like a completely different character due to the actress’ acting choices. Equally bad acting from the guy who plays her dad.

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Kim tae ri is just amazing. I believe everything she does and she elevates everyone around her, including NJH. Hee-do’s pain is my pain, her defeat is my defeat. Her embarrassment is my embarrassment. I’ve been looking forward to the time jump since the second episode. Just give it to me already! IT IS CALLED 25-21, why aren’t they 25-21 yet???????? Wae!!!

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@ally-le lol I'm fiending for that time jump!

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I have a feeling we will get 25-21 around ep13-16

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Fangirling so hard over Kim Tae Ri, too! NJH is wonderful as Baek Yi Jin but this show would not be what it is without KTR.

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Abt the media part, they'd have attacked HD regardless of YR's statement, but what she did gave the audience who had been frustrated with her character, a chance to dislike her further (given her previous actions haven't been too glorious either).

Which makes me think that if HD were the only one behaving unprofessionally at the conference, she wouldn't have gotten off easy from the sports council, i guess HD kinda got saved cuz the 💩 council is pressuringrelying on YR.

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Honestly, I find the male lead a little boring, and I'm not very invested in him as a romantic partner for Heedo. On the other hand the dynamic between Heedo and Yurim is great. Neither of them knows the other at all, and a lot of their rivalry is based on that. On top of that, you have the (fanfic and romcom trope) of them being secret penpals who have a really strong connection. I'm way more invested in their relationship, even if it will be the Korean classic of "all the story beats of a romance, but we'll call them friends and give them boyfriends at the end". Definitely feels like that's the route it's going.

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This is probably the most outlandish long shot ever, but why do I get the feeling that there has been a baby swap between these two frenemenies? But don't ask me where Ye-jin fits in. Just saying....

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My guess is something like that as well, Hee-do could have taken care of Yurim’s kid.

Or another guess of mine is that Min-chae chose the last name Kim bcs both her parents are famous but I really don’t know

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That thought came to me too but then if it's true then I'd be very disappointed. To me, it feels like cheating. Why ruin a more realistic story with a birth secret trope?

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I'll take a baby swap! Give us all the outlandish long shots, show! I don't care how crazy they are! Anything but Baek Yi Jin dying and/or BYJ and NHD not getting together. My heart won't be able to take it!

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I'm with you.

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I need Hee-do to stop talking to Yu-rim. Ignore her like she ignores you. She should've asked, "Ji-woong, can you pass me the scissors?" I was proud of Hee-do when she asked the reporters, to Yi-jin's dismay, if she was supposed to throw the match because it was what everyone was thinking. After she took off her gold medal, I wish she handed it to Yu-rim for maximum pettiness.

I cheered so hard when Hee-do won. She deserved it (Yu-rim deserved it too). Aww, Yi-jin with tears in his eyes. Thank you, Harabeoji, for comforting and congratulating our girl. I cried with her. Forget Hee-do's mom and former idol (who already has been forgotten). She has three people in her life who believe in her and support her: Dad, Yi-jin, and Coach Yang.

I need Yi-jin to stop being so swoony because before when his feelings for her were ambiguous (despite looking at her with heart eyes), it was fine, but now that Hee-do has a crush on him and keeps thinking about their age gap, I am uncomfortable. When she yelled at him to stop treating her like a kid, I was nervous she would accidentally confess. I wish Yi-jin had picked up Hee-do's gold medal and returned it to her with her cell phone and had figured out the combination to the rooftop storage room like the bathroom door lock.

So Show is going to gloss over the apology Yu-rim owes Hee-do because now Hee-do feels sorry for her after witnessing her breakdown and will find out Yu-rim is Injeolmi? So much for the less you know about each other, the more open you will be because clearly our chat friends have never really shared their personal lives over the three years. It's unfair how Hee-do always has to be the one to give in and forgive.

Besties Seung-wan and Ji-woong have so much chemistry when they scared themselves over the toilet ghost and casually talked about living together, but too bad Ji-woong has no taste.

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Yes about the apology part! Ok, Yurim was upset, she did what she did in the heat of the moment, but even after some time passed there was no sign of her regretting the way she behaved and she still thought she was right and was the victim!
I do feel for her because of the pressure various circumstances put on her, but it's still not fair the was she treats Heedo, and I wish the drama addressed that sooner rather than later!
I'm all for complex characters that might do "bad" things but will grow to be better, but I'm not quite liking the way they're handling Yurim's character in this drama, tbh..

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> After she took off her gold medal, I wish she handed it to Yu-rim for maximum pettiness.

@panshel
I like this line! Lol. I wished the same too. I agree with most of what you wrote :)

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@panshel, I agree with you about Yu Rim. I know the show is going to have GYR and NHD end up as besties but, after ep 7, I'm not sure I'm ever going to be able to warm to her, grrrrr.

Ah, I love Seung Wan and Ji Woong! I just want to be friends with Seung Wan in real life (and knock some sense into Ji Woong)!

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Episode 8 tried to soften up Yu-rim's character when she pouted to Yi-jin that she really believed she was faster and didn't expect the backlash against Hee-do, but how are we supposed to pity her when she was admitting this to the wrong person? The writer is doing Hee-do a disservice because Yu-rim does not deserve her friendship or fandom.

Seung-wan is the best character. This drama should've just been four friends with Yu-rim as the antagonist.

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The episodes 7-8 were bitter sweet. Some moments i liked were:
1. Yi Jin being so happy that Hee Do won the match. His smile was so genuine.
2. Yi Jin finding HeeDo and giving her phone back which she left back in the pharmacy. The small sword fight between Hee Do and Yi Jin explaining her stance.
3. The grandpa in the restaurant who acknowledged Hee Do's win.
4. Yi Jin coming to rescue Hee Do when she was trapped in the storage room.
5.The funny moment when she heard Yi Ji and his FIRST LOVE Da Eun's confession on that tape..
6. The house moving scenes all of it. From the moment when Hee Do accidentally broke the window, how he picked her up as she might get hurt from the glass, her getting jealous of learning on Yi jin's ex girlfriends.
7.The bus scene where Yi Jin teases her with her bad spelling.
8. The Ice cream scene and Yi Jin pulling her close as a bad cyclist went by.
9. Yi Jin sending the message to Hee Do apologizing her on his teasing.

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I think there's magic going on whenever Hee do and Yi jin communicate. There's something so intense going on between them and I don't even mean the heart fluttering/flirting/swoony scenes. Just a simple scene of Hee do demonstrating to him about how fencers will know who is the the fastest. I'm living for these kind of scenes. As for the swoony scenes I'm right there with Hee do my heart about to explode.

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Totally agree with you. I could watch the whole series with them together only also. Just the two of them create so much magic when together. No scene is boring. Their friendship and support for each other is just on another level.

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I love this show too much to even know where to start to comment on it. this always happens to me with things I love—I have too many feels to put it all into words!

I can say, as a story, it does a great job of showing rather than telling how characters feel. The moment when YR’s dad picks her up and HD see it was another little jab (and we’ve gotten a lot throughout the drama so far) to show that no one really has it harder than anyone else. Everyone is struggling with their own situations. YR may be low income with a lot of pressure to win, but she has the support of her family (two parents) and that is valuable in itself. HD isn’t struggling financially but she has no personal support (and even some abuse) from her mother. (and if the present-day storyline is supposed to be humanizing Hee-Do’s mom, it is not working for me. She is not just putting her career above friends and family, she is actively hurting her friends and family through her job. That’s not the same thing.)

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The most LOL scene for me is when Ji Woong wanted Yi Jin to carry him too! I really need to memorize the actor's name - Choi Hyun Wook. I'd love to see him in more dramas. Some people think he looks like Jang Ki Young and even Park Seo Joon. But in this drama, he reminds me of Oh Dae Hwan (Red Sleeve; Once Again)!

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"Hyung, me too." When Hee-do broke his window, I literally said to those kids, "Get out of his house."

Another LOL Ji-woong scene was when he asked Yi-jin, "Did Da-eunie not come?" and Yi-jin sighed.

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Yes, he looks like Park Seo Joon to me, too. :) (But I can see a little Jang Ki Young, now that you mention it.)

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I think folks have said much of this.
I like the way the show contrasts what the girls have vs. don't have, and in a mostly not-taking side way, which I like. Yurim has money issues but she has a lot of loving support, whereas Heedo doesn't have money issues but she also doesn't have much loving support. Yurim's love interest is a peer so he can really come through in an age-appropriate way whereas Heedo's can't go there yet. (Don't get me wrong, I love their interactions. But the age gap is part of the storyline.) Yurim's parents are there for her whereas Heedo's mom is useless. Maybe I can excuse the TV reporting-professional reason, but that doesn't mean she can't support Heedo at home. She just is always picking on her, always.

I also don't buy her being such a loving grandma in present times. It is just too inconsistent. I really didn't like the scene where the Heedo's daughter and Grandma teamed up to pick on Heedo. The scene where the daughter said how hard it must have been for Grandma. Ok, maybe true that Grandma had to be an 'objective' journalist, but that doesn't mean she can't explain her actions to Heedo in a loving way, and be supportive of her. Uggh! I can deal with characters who are supposed to be bad, or watch them change. But this contrast just seems to excuse it all as if the Mom's actions are justified.

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Lastly did anyone catch Yi jin teasing Hee do about Dalgom(cutie pie)? After the ajummas fawned over Yi jin and Heedo accusing him of being a ladies man Yi jin says that 80% is because of her while the remaining 20% is because of the dalgom i.e him who is standing in front of her. Atleast that was what I understood. Can anyone who knows hangul clarify this?

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the netflix translation were a bit off. I think Yijin were saying, 'Why do u have to ask?. if you have eyes, you would understand'. Meaning the 20% reason why ladies fawned over him is because he's handsome. lol

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Hey thanks. I understood that it was something related to the eyes and him being handsome. It makes sense now.

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Like HanaHope said, Yi-jin said, "뭘 물어? 눈이 있으면 알 거 아니야," so maybe "알 거 (know)" was misheard as "알콩 (alkong)" or "달콩 (dalkong)"? Netflix's Korean closed captions are the best.

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Yurim is written as a weak character. She is always whining and because she is once- gold medallist thinks she is entitled to throwing a tantrum. The later episodes with her being friends with Hee-do does not make sense given her abuse of Hee-do all through episode 8. Even with the guy who admires her, Choi-Woo-Shik she acts as if admiration is her due. There is no redemption for the Yu rim character and yes it reminds us of the Winter Olympic incident.

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