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[Drama chat] When screenwriters let you down hard

Last week we waxed poetic on our favorite screenwriters. This week, though, the chat is all about the letdown (whomp, whomp).

You know the scenario: you love a drama, your heart is stuck to the script and the story and the characters like a barnacle, and you wait patiently two-ish years for the writer’s next work. In other words: me, waiting for Yoo Bo-ra’s follow-up to Just Between Lovers. Then, you finally get the drama, and it’s… well, in this case, Reflection of You. You want to love it. And when that’s not possible, you want to at least like it. Okay, if I can’t like it, can I just not totally jump ship? (Answer: no.)

While these sorts of ups and downs are expected with any creative’s work, sometimes they sting more than they ought. Expectations too high? Maybe. But that’s what dramaland is all about.

What are some instances where screenwriters you loved have let you down with one of their dramas?

 
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I loved Kingdom and was eagerly looking forward to the writer's next project. That was Jirisan, which I dropped after one episode.

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It's so interesting to see how we all react differently to dramas. I, in midst of a drama drought with no end in sight, managed to hang on to Jirisan and I'm probably going to stay with the drama to the end. Maybe it helped that I came into it with low expectations after reading so many tepid reviews about it. I think part of it is the uninspired directing, the camera work cheapens what could have been epic film-like scenes. And part of the problem is the screenwriting as well. But the actors and the rich content of the story - all the facts and folklore and fantasy, is what is attracting me to keep watching the drama. It gets more interesting later on and I have learned to ignore the low grade camera work and sometimes awkward storytelling. Maybe I'll give Kingdom a try next.

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Now I am thinking about giving Jirisan a second chance.

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I actually liked Jirisan enough. Only the paranormal storyline was rather silly, and Jun Ji Hyun can't really act. The rest of it was interesting and pretty. Enough for me.

It is very interesting what you wrote about camera work cheapening it. I didn't exactly think this but kept feeling it was like watching a grand court from the eye of a peasant.

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"It was like watching a grand court from the eye of a peasant." ^^

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I quite liked Jirisan too. I think in my drama roundup I even listed it under 'dramas beanies hated but you liked' 😅. The directing and editing had obvious issues but I was invested in the overall mystery as well as the stories of the side characters.

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I’m prettyyy sure i gave Jirisan the anti-bean but to find that people like the drama is fascinating.. i know we all have different tastes and i was just really let down by Jirisan cos i kept hoping it’ll get better 😂

The upside of it being a drama i “hate” is that i actually remember it and it’s not forgotten among the countless dramas i’ve liked 🤦🏻‍♀️

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I definitely have those too! Dramas so bad they're seared into your memory 😖.

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Yeah, that's how I felt too. I stuck with it and don't regret it. Sometimes I think you expect a certain way it will go and when it doesn't you lose interest. Sometimes you expect fast and you get slow, so adjusting your expectations helps to make it a better watch.

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I too dropped JIRISAN after the first episode and yet my wife enjoyed the entire thing. Sometimes it is a matter of taste.

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Agree Jirisan was such a big disappointment !

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I really really don't believe in following screen writers' works.

Chief Kim is a top favorite show of mine but I hated Fiery Priest to the very end, and dropped Vincenzo after some episodes.

Scent of a Woman is also a top favorite, and the other shows from the writer weren't bad, just boring and uninteresting.

One less reason to be disappointed, hurray?

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I totally agree with you on Park Jae Bum. I thought Chief Kim was a delight, but his decision to repeat the same formula but with escalating levels of gruesome violence in Fiery Priest and Vincenzo made me unlikely to watch his future shows.

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You know that poem "when she was good, she was very very good, but when she was bad..."? That's how I feel about Kim Eun-sook's writing. I watched The Heirs soon after I saw Goblin and I'm still not fully over the shock of that disaster.

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Heirs and King: Eternal Monarch are trash masterpiecies lol

They are objectively awful but i found them entertaining, everything from the bad writing, the weak acting and the awful music made them unintentionally hilarious.

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Oh no argument there. When it comes to unintentional hilarity, both are masterpieces of the 'so bad it's good' genre!

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Ha, these are both guilty pleasures of mine :-) I know they're bad but I just love they anyhow

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All writers have ups and downs, and there are a lot of reasons why things can go off the rails, but there are two big disappointments that stand out:

Shark: Kim Nam-gil & Son Ye-jin in a revenge thriller by Kim Ji Woo based on the Orpheus and Eurydice legend? What could possibly go wrong? Oh, wait - so, so many things. The childhood section was lovely, and I actually liked how Son Ye-jin's role was written, but Kim Nam-gil spent most the show brooding while staring at a fish tank and the plot jumped the, uhm, shark multiple times before its nonsensical conclusion. Fortunately, Kim Ji Woo's shows since then have been much, much better.

Arthdal Chronicles: How exactly could the combo of the writers who created Queen Seondeok & Six Flying Dragons and the director of Misaeng and My Ahjusshi create something this alarming? Blue people? Glam goth elf boys? Magic Horse? I don't know what wonders (horrors?) part 2 has in store, but I really hope that Kim Young-hyun and Park Sang-yeon go back to writing actual sagueks instead of whatever the hell this was.

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I skipped Arthdal Chronicles but I feel your pain! Perhaps it's a bad omen to have a team of briljant people work on one project.

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Yeah, I don't know how that many talented people were able to make such a mess of things.

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Kim Nam Gilm brooding is so boring! I loved the humor in Fiery Priest, which was my introduction to him, and I can't watch him in anything without humor anymore.

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I don't know that many actors can pull of "looking angst-y" for long stretches of time. It's much more fun when writers actually give their characters active things to do.

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The writers did well with REBIRTH and THE DEVIL, but then SHARK happened, and I refused to call it a trilogy.

ARTH.....overambitious! They need to go back to their root.

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Oh no this is real, the hurt from having a great writer fail you stings badly. I remember when The Hong sisters first disappointed with Big. Not long after, Warm & Cozy came to whatever that was. But overall, they're top-notch and keep delivering.
Little Women by Jung Seo-kyung was a let down, but there other factors that ruined the drama.

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Why is Little Women a disappointment?

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I can't speak for FAB, above, but for me I was expecting an adaptation of "Little Women" and got instead a soapy melodrama with unlikable characters that bore no relationship to the source

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Little Women was excellent in my books.

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Park Yeon-Sun wrote the great Age of Youth 1 and 2. But when the second season was very loved and people had hopes for the couple Ji-Won and Sung-Min or for a 3rd season, she just killed one of characters and killed every hope in the same time... it was pretty cruel.

Myung Soo-Hyun, Baek Sun-Woo, Choi Bo-Rim were the trio who wrote A Poem A Day and decided to follow the public's opinion and changed the ML. If they did well by not destroying the growth of their past ML, I could have accepted it, but they were not good enough for that. The end of the drama was pretty bad.
Myung Soo-Hyun wrote Monthly Magazine Home too and wasted Jung So-Min and Kim Ji-Suk's chemistry.

So Hyeon-Kyeong for 49 Days, I will never forgive her for this end...

The same for Choi Ran and God's Gift - 14 Days!

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What would you like to change with 49 Days' ending? Maybe because it's been a long time and I can't really remember well.

But totally agree on GG 14 Days. I was like, "????***???!!!!" Nonsensical reason aside, I'd be more inclined to buy the ending if it was in much deeper lake/river and without audience.

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The fact she got the 3 teardrops and still died after the 49 Days...

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Now I remember. Let's just say the writer suddenly remembered to let the watchers know about the T&C a bit too late.

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49 Days is on the list of my favorite dramas but honestly I can't remember much of it at all, not even the ending. I just remember liking it a lot at the time.

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Fell hard fo 49 days Scheduler and so it made me luv Jung Il Woo.

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I was less interested in his story but I remember how everyone was swooning over him.

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Wait, what happened with A Poem A Day? Who was the past ML?

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Shin Min Ho played by Jang Dong Yoon was the male lead but they changed and Ye Je Wook (played by Lee Joon Hyuk), who was the second lead at the beginning, becomes the lead.

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whoa mind blown, I had no idea! you see, I was a fan of Lee Joon Hyuk and watched A Poem A Day just for him. it did seem strange, though, because he had so few scenes yet he ended up getting the girl. it sucks and must make it awkward on set when they change the story around like that. now it makes more sense given the backstory of what happened. I didn't know and was just frustrated with how Lee Joon Hyuk ended up the male lead but somehow had so few scenes.

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Then there were the stupid things the Director was quoted as saying about Jang Dong-yoon. Scroll down the entry for this blog to the paragraph: 1. Poem a Day and you will find the text that I am referring to.
https://bitchesoverdramas.com/2019/01/15/bitch-talk-wall-banger-awardees-of-2018/

Yes. Even though I am a big Lee Joon-hyuk (1984) fan. I shipped Min-ho with Bo-young in APAD.
O/T. Jang Dong-yoon was great in KBS’s OASIS (Viki US) this year. One of my favorites of the year.

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I have to admit some screenwriters are a little too trigger happy and take the writing advice "kill your darlings" a little too literally!

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Mine is less about being impressed with one work and then dealing with the disappointment of the next and more about dealing with the disappointment of the current drama. It’s hard to convey the reasons for being disappointed in the screen writing without giving away spoilers. Also it’s hard to know how much of the problem is the story and how much is the acting or director led changes. This is my attempt to share some thoughts on this topic.

Kim Eun - Something in the rain for writing the most frustrating female lead combined with a status hungry mother. The mother literally added nothing to the table her parenting style was emotionally abusive as was her relationship with her husband, but felt she was in her rights to point out everyone else inadequacies; her husband because he had no status once he retired, the children of a friend because their mum was dead and their dad had remarried and abandoned them. It was a big enough ask to expect an audience to watch these two characters but then we had a toxic ex boyfriend and a beyond ridiculous patriarchal work place thrown into the mix. It was too much without any hope of a happy ending to cleanse the palate so I think she was forced to change the ending to give something to the audience.

Kim Jieun - Why her for the most unrealistic relationship for a strong female lead. But salt was adied to the wound with the WORST ever use of a truck of doom equivalent as a plot device to get rid of a character that they clearly felt unable to work into the ending they had concocted.

Kim Ruri - Race was an excellent marriage between the story and the way it was told; the soundtrack, the beautiful transitions between the scenes etc. Then went and pulled a modern twist on the struggles within the main leads love story. I still rate this as a great drama but a very disappointing treatment of the love story.

Jo Ryeongsoo - If you wish upon me a beautiful story of healing for a young man who was horrifically abused as a child by integrating him into a found family working in a hospice which unofficially granted the residents final wishes. The writer felt character growth and a love story could only be shown through sexual exploitation, the impact of living with someone with an untreated personality disorder, and gangster level violence 😬 The love story also involved teasing this vulnerable character in a way that was quite difficult to watch knowing he was inexperienced but was doing the best he could to step out of his comfort zone.

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Something in the rain was really a disaster.

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I did not watch both of Kim Eun's dramas, but in MDL "Something in the rain" is listed as her first work and I thought her second drama "One Spring Night" was better received.

Also, Jo Ryeongsoo seems to be a rookie. I can't find any other works of that person.

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One Spring Night was better though almost every male character in the show except for the male lead needed a slap on the face. It was hilarious watching Fl's father and her ex discuss the wedding while Fl was going out with Ml and had no intention of following through with said marriage. Also, big sister's husband was irrecycable trash.

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"irrecycable trash" ^^

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One Spring Night is near the top of my most hated dramas list, plus my most hated fl, plus most evasive ml, plus maddening ost. Yeah...

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One Spring Night (which I finished, but I didn't like) definitely put me right off watching Something in the rain.

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I couldn’t have said it better myself. After watching the show, I needed to visit the ML’s pharmacy for some aspirin and antacids (and Jung Hae-In.) I couldn’t really dislike him, as I would be inclined to evade the obnoxious FL, too!

I much preferred Something in the Rain to this fingernails-on-the-chalkboard drama.

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I have One spring night in hiatus, and the OST is significantly adding to the "drop" side of the balance... it is so repetitive.

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You cannot talk about shows that went awry mid series without talking about the real has come

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It is getting worse by episode. Too much complications is as bad as having easy resolutions (looking at the epic king the land).

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Every time a comment appears on the Beanie tab I picture the Beanie watching the show in a darkened room rocking and muttering to themselves - Why did I start this again?

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😂😂😂quite the picture. And absolutely right.

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Quite right. But the REAL HAS COME has all the hallmarks of disaster as a joint effort- I doubt that the writer is solely responsible for the mess.

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Absolutely right. I was solely speaking from the perspective of show that go awry

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My only real beef with Something in the Rain was that god-awful ending. As much as I despised the horrible mother, I thought she played an important part, as opposition to the main couple’s relationship was a central theme of the drama. She represented the old-school, conservative views about the obligation of children to obey their parents—including not marrying anyone they don’t approve of.

I can somewhat relate; although my mother wasn’t physically abusive, she made it very clear that she disapproved of some of her children’s spouses, based on standards of her own mother’s generation. She even threatened to boycott my sister’s wedding because the man she was marrying was from a different religion, had not graduated from a prestigious university, and was neither a doctor nor a lawyer. (BTW - My sister ended up being the only one of us five kids who never got divorced.)

So, even though I hated the mother, I recognized that real life is full of people just like her. I’ve even met some of them… 🫤

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I think a lot of criticism for SITR should not go directly on the writer. The series had a very famous director. The series started off with extremely hot, explosive chemistry and skinship. About halfway through, the BTS videos showed SYJ pulling back from the ML, having her suggestions on scenes carry forward. Afterward in interviews, she said that she wanted to be true to her character being an immature woman who makes bad decisions. Therefore, I think the story direction was influenced greatly by the FL's opinion and the director's concessions.

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Wow @missvictrix you do not like "Reflection of you"? I liked it because it kept up with the mystery well and had miserable characters with a complex story elevated by good acting.

I generally do not go by screenwriter's work, but once I drop a show I always check the list of dramas that the screenwriter has previously worked on to get better understanding of why a particular drama did not work tor me through their experience.

In one particular instance, I pushed through the drama (Grid Kdrama) based on their writer's credibility, but I later realized that it was not a wise decision because I regretted wasting my time on it.

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In 'My Liberation Notes' when Mr Gu, after spending three solid years drowning in a bottle of liquor, single-handedly beats up a room full of generic (and much healthier) mobsters. Who is he meant to be, Jackie "Drunken Master" Chan?

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So the end of Ep.5 in "Behind your touch" is a parody of this?

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Yeah, My Liberation Notes was another example of a screenwriter letting me down. I had high hopes after Oh Hae Young Again (messy, but in really interesting ways) and My Ahjusshi (great all around) but this is a show that really didn't work for me, and the writing was a huge part of that. It felt unfocused and many of the character choices/moments (including Mr. Gu, ninja gangster) never made much sense.

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Unfocused is how I would describe My Liberation Notes too. It had great and insightful moments for sure, but the parts were better than the whole.

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I wanted it to love it so badly! The time jump after the mum died was done brilliantly but the show didn't keep the momentum from thereafter. Her death still makes me tear up.

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Oh Hae Young Again is a weird case for me, because the ml is one of my most favorite male characters ever, but I outright dislike everything else about it. Still, I have rewatched it many many times for Eric.

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I found Oh Hae Young all over the place tonally and messy structurally, but I loved what it was doing thematically and I actually ended really liking all of the characters. It's not a perfect show, but it's one I really enjoyed and that ended up having a lot more depth than I expected it to.

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My Liberation Notes had a great premise but, it appears, never had a proper conclusion to the story in mind. So, in the last 2 episodes, the writer just whipped up something at random.

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Sconding you on MLN. I tried to watch since it's from the same writer as My Mister. But no matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't. Maybe another part was the casting; who would believe a woman as pretty as Kim Ji Won being an outcast at work? So in general, I just found it impossible to buy their misery.

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I'll rant some more about the writing. Yes, there are cases where people depresseed without particular reason. But instead of getting a therapy, she threw herself off to some guy who had a baggage. What kind of solution is this?

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I swear the real message of that drama was, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" and I'm very sure that's not what the writer intended to write.

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MLN was just so weird for me. At the 3/4 mark it seemed to throw away everything the show had been about, ditch most of its characters, and go off on some strange tangent. Only to end with the female lead opting to spend her life caring for some violent drunk and her sister being treated like garbage by her new in-laws for eternity.

It kind of reminded me of a relative of mine who was extremely unhappy and decided that if she could just get divorced and live by herself then she'd be happy again. Needless to say it didn't work because we often fixate on these externalities instead of dealing with our own deep-seated unhappiness.

But I don't think that was the point of the drama, so...

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Yeah one of Park Hae Young show I didn't connected at all. The mind want to treasure it, but the heart can't appreciate it. I didn't connect with the otp either.

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I can write volumes about this topic but my approach would be more like @reply1988, the drama that went off on the right foot and then went awry, leaving you feeling like what is going on!
The most recent example is Mrs. Durian. After a memorable premiere, we got repetitive cliche tropes and a love story for the chairwoman lead that felt out of place and was left undeveloped. Why introduce a new plotline in the last four episodes?
And then the effect our time-traveling ladies had on the present? I don't think anything happened other than getting them transferred from house to house after making the lady of the house jealous.
Taking that time to introduce birth secrets or having Dol-sae's character wrestling between the love from his past life and his current life would give the drama the depth I hoped for. Perhaps making Eom his son in the present timeline too might have added to the excitement.
The ending felt abrupt and unexplained. They left it to our imagination though watching what happened to our characters would be more entertaining to watch than having the daughter-in-law fight with her brother over the mother-in-law.

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Mrs Durian
I mentioned the plot line to my wife. She watched the 1st Ep. And scolded me for wasting time on this crap. Lol

I did like the time slip Joseon maiden winning the acting award The whole drama could have focused on her story. That could have been a sweet and funny rom com. The rest of Durian was jibberish and rambling trash .

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I too like that she stayed in the future and got married to her husband again.

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The two Joseon ladies had the better stories, the younger one particularly so, see fan wall 😂

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Usually I am a fan of time slip drama especially when there is thrilling tension and intriguing secrets to dog into but this show had none of those ingredients.

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Thanks for the heads on Mrs. Durian. I had been debating it because I love time travel dramas, but the melo tag held me back. Glad I skipped.

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I loved Mr. Sunshine, but Goblin bored me and The King: Eternal Monarch confused me.

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Maybe I should watch Mr. Sunshine one of these days. I swore after Goblin and the trainwreck that was episode 1 of Heirs that I would never watch another Kim Eun Sook drama, but Mr. Sunshine is the one show of hers folks I trust seem to generally like.

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I thought that the Goryeo part of Goblin was captivating and wanted more of it. But then the rest of the show did not deliver. I have not watched Heirs, Secret Garden, or Descendants Of The Sun, and I am not really interested. But I did watch Mr. Sunshine 3 times.

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I have not watched Heirs, Secret Garden, or Descendants Of The Sun

Me either !

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I have watched all of them and you haven't missed a thing. Maybe Park Hyung Shik's hairflip, but nothing else.

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I found the second leads love story the most captivating part of Goblin. The bromance was entertaining. Wasn't interested in the main leads romance at all. The whole Canada jaunt was so absurd to me. The reason why the love story between the second leads resonated with me is because of the idea of making amends (between two people and between two countries) and how long it takes for wounds to heal and two people can be reconciled again. For the girl, although she loved him, she could not bear to see his face again after what he did (kill her family). It took a lifetime for the pain to lessen enough to talk romance. The issue of making amends is something I've been thinking a lot about, especially the rifts between countries. Specifically, the ongoing and unhealed generations-long rift between Asian countries caused by WWII. And Goblin screenwriter's answer to that question made a lot of sense to me. My grandmother was a survivor of a massacre by the Japanese military, they grew up being bombed by Japanese aircraft. That's a whole generation that can never really make peace with Japan. The sense of distrust and animosity continued on with my parents generation. My parents have never felt any affection or closeness with the Japanese, due to WWII. So the trauma has lasted at least two generations so far, and I'm also struggling with it, and I'm the grandchild of survivors of Japanese wartime aggression. Although I have been able to develop a genuine love for Japan and made friends with Japanese people, I am not able to cross over into a romantic relationship with a Japanese person at this point yet. I tried once when I was young, but then I felt the weight of history weighing heavily on my shoulders and let go of an intercultural relationship that could have led to marriage. Japan and the countries it colonized have not fully made amends. They have tried, but it was never 100%. And until they do, romance will be off the table for me.

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I think it was Racket boys where they made a point that the Japan/Korean rivalry was on the court only but the teens were actually friends off the court.

I watched the film I can speak about a ‘comfort woman’ fighting the system by going to court. It’s the lack of recognition and the hope they can stretch the process out until the last woman dies that makes it hard for true healing to take place.

I hear you re the complexity. These kinds of struggles on the National and individual level are fought daily in so many ways.

I find it fascinating that a delivery man feels it’s appropriate to ask me where I come from when I open the door to take a package. I feel I have to answer the question politely so as not to appear rude or with a chip on my shoulder. Clearly he is not meeting many Black people to keep doing this and yet in a fleeting conversation how can I explain why this is unacceptable and othering when I just need him to do his job so our encounter can be pleasant for both of us.

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I guess this is why the favorite writers listed in a previous thread tended to have short resumes - it's hard to keep a streak going, especially with the vagaries of production (including writer changes mid-series). But I'll list Love in Contract as a recent big disappointment since it started out with great characters and a fun premise and copped out on everything, even the ToD. I started to wonder if the writer was held hostage in a room and writing these scenes as a message for help.

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I guess at this point I'm somewhat of a drama semi-veteran (My Name is Kim Sam Soon & Coffee Prince were my first K dramas) and have been let down countless times by screenwriters. Ah, they're such a fragile bunch. When it comes to great scripts, the belief I have formed is a combination of "lightning never strikes twice" and you can only have one first love. That amazing drama which you fell in love with? Congratulations on winning the drama lottery and finding a work that stirs something in your heart. But it is a lottery and winning once is already beating the odds. Accept the fact that it's probably going to be an one time occurence. So savor every minute and every line of it. Writing a drama is the equivalent of writing 8 movies (16 episodes =8 feature films). It takes a lot out of you. If you're smart, just write movies because movies can make a lot more money with a lot less energy expended. If you happen upon a winning formula, and then proceed to repeat the said formula in your next works, you will be accused of repeating the same formula in all your works (re: Makoto Shinkai) But the older and more financially comfortable you get, the harder it is to write something original. And if you try to ignore what the audience wants and just focus on what you're interested in writing about, the audience will accuse you of ignoring them and just writing what you want to write about. The best thing to do is to just accept that the wildly successful drama you wrote was anomaly that can never be repeated again: that one time everything came together perfectly, and you had the perfect screenplay, director, actors, set design, costume design, etc. You have reached a pinnacle in some ways. As a creative, you're lucky to have even one successful work. If you think about it, most of the popular actors and actresses have only one or two great dramas to their names. There's drama that made them famous, but they haven't been able to strike gold twice, despite all their fame and money. There would always be more talented actors and actresses than there are enough great screenplays to go around. This is why I have always been more attracted to the writing side of films and dramas, and have always secretly pitied actors and actresses, as handsome and beautiful and well-spoken as they are, they are nothing without a good screenplay.

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and I just realized that the beautiful thing about musicals and music in general is that you can take one screenplay or song and produce endless variants and remixes of it with different cast and director and arrangements. People don't get bored of looking at great pieces of art. Unfortunately, most films and dramas never get remade.

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One thing that surprised me when I watched the reunion My Dear Youth: Coffee Prince was when the director and some of the actors felt its success was to some extent a burden, something they worried they couldn't match up against in their later work. Summed up in the Dramabeans review by Anisa:

The sudden attention—and the lightning-in-a-bottle, perfect coming together of all the elements that make a show work—was so rare and overwhelming that for the cast and director, it became something not only to celebrate, but to overcome.

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Any writer that includes a serial killer in a rom com.
Insert gif of loan sharks kicking someone

Writers that use a time leap as cover for garbled messages and weak endings

30 yr olds in school costumes , that’s the director tho.

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🫘Beansprout🌱 award for best turn of phrase to conjure up the perfect visual 👉🏾 ‘ Any writer that includes a serial killer in a rom com.
Insert gif of loan sharks kicking someone’ 🤣🤣

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😂 very apt. And they demand the NIECE pay the debt of an estranged uncle! I'm rewatching My Beloved Summer and I'm so grateful that tiny part of the drama wasn't revisited.

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K dramas take it too far with the school uniforms. I'm watching a drama with a 39 year old in a school uniform.

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Miracle: Letters to the president had a 34 year old playing a school kid for 90% of the film it made no sense. I can not believe they really could not find a younger actor to take on the role? It was a powerful story and really sad as it is based on a true story but still….
Please tell me which drama had a 39 year old?

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Moving a few weeks back had Cha Tae-hyun in a high school uniform. He was born in 1976.

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hahahahahaha

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😆 love it. When the weather is fine did that too they are early 30’s.

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I'm surprised he was able to fit into a high school uniform. Doesn't he have like a dad bod and three kids?

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So I may or may not have logged in just to comment on this math. ;p. That actor is actually 47 since hubby is born in the same year. I agree that it is time to put away any school uniform unless it’s in jest/a farce or costume dress up.

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Like, even if the 34 year old looked great in the uniform, they're still a 34 year old in a school uniform, right? The audience can tell the difference. It's ridiculous, isn't it? I may be wrong, because I've been skipping around and dropping so many dramas lately, but if I remember correctly, Jun Ji Hyun was in a school uniform playing the student version of herself in Jirisan in the earlier episodes. By my reckoning, she was 39 at the time of filming. Yes, she looks good for her age, but there's no way she looks 18. It's not just about the looks, either. There's an innocence of that age that you just can't fake, in my opinion.

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The thing is in Miracle, he looked like an old man in a uniform as he has that kind of a face and he acted old too which was part of his character. Meanwhile in Why her Hwang Inyeop at 31 looked younger than the actor playing his younger self Lee Yoo-Jin who was 18 at the time. Some of us were confused why he looked so different so thought he must have had surgery as part of the storyline! Usually it’s easy to accept the younger version of the adult leads but sometimes it feels they go cheap and keep the adults and try to bluff their way through those scenes.

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I ADORED I Hear Your Voice, and enjoyed all the screenwriter's dramas that came after... until Start Up. I am still very bitter about how the romance of that one ended. Oi.

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👋welcome to the comments section and what a great post to join the discussion. We hope you will have fun here😊

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Thanks! I've been wanting to jump in for a bit. This topic was just too fun!

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I love your tagname I am picturing a Bridgerton era outfit.

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Haha yes I'm still looking for a relevant pic to go with

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I think Park Hye-ryun writes perfect first episodes. Both While You Were Sleeping and Start-up have first one/two episodes that can be mini movies in their own right.

But with Start-up I think the issue was that those first episodes made us wholly invested in Han Ji-pyeong's story and the rest of the drama simply did not live up to it. Not just the romance (which I think was the least interesting part of the show) but overall too. It just sort of petered out.

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100% agree. They made him the pov character but then gave him a sml ending.

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I actually liked the ending of START UP. Once you understand what the writer actually did: Re-writing Rostand's CYRANO DE BERGERAC to provide a happy ending where Christian lives and is together with Roxanne while Cyrano is no longer lonely because he has a found family and can get another girl whenever he wants to get around to it. Han Ji-pyeong is portrayed as happy and is now enjoying his life at the end of the show.

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I’m not acquainted with that story, but that’s really interesting! I can’t say it would be my preferred choice of ending loveline-wise, but it does take the sting out of it a bit ;)

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Never finished Start Up. I am almost imune to second lead syndrome, as I sense with my spider sense who is the end game, and that's it for me. Well, my spider sense completely let me down and when I realised, it was too late, and I just couldn't finish it.

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What did you not like about the startup romance?

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Because the beginning set up Han Ji-pyeong as if he was our male lead, giving him backstory and sympathy and a connection to the heroine and her awesome granny, and then at the end all he has is his AI lol. (Plus, i was just shamelessly biased in Kim seon ho’s favor tbh.)

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But if people had paid any attention to any of the promos, they would've known that Kim Seon-ho was not our male lead. Nam Joo-hyuk is listed second in the casting after Bae Suzy.

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Fair. I was aware. Doesn’t mean I still didn’t think they were being cheeky with how they set it up. And honestly, that was just one of many issues I had with the drama. The “rules” of the sandbox contest/program also gave me twitches lol

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Ahhh. Well I was heavily biased towards KSH as well. But somehow I also started liking NJH. It made me appreciate KSH’s acting more where he is venting with grandma. And gawd I loved her

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Ohh there is alot, especially when knowing their previous work is my favourite.

Jang Yung Cheol And Jung Kyung Soon: Incarnation Of money and vagabond. After producing the absolutely delightful great drama like History of The Salaryman and Giant. Those two drama is becoming a huge letdown.

Kim Ji Woo: Shark. It seems like she is really feels burden to the superstar vehicle in Kim NamGil and Son Ye Jin. There is no complexity and heart like she usually has in her drama.

Kang Eun Kyung Dr romantic 3. Not a fan of overall her work but Really love dr romantic 1 and dr romantic 2. But dr romantic 3 feels like a huge letdown. It's just produce for fan service dr romantic fand but it didn't work at all. All case feels formulaic and the character doesn't feel relatable at all. The only storyline I like is Dr Jung in Soo's storyline.

Park Hae Young in My lebaration Notes. I Don't know why I don't feel connect at all with any of the character except Lee Min Ki's char which I relate so much after I connect so much with her previous leading lady in another oh hae Young and my mister. Does it the acting? The writing? I can't pinpoint.

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I adored Giant, but I've never found any other dramas by Jang Yung Cheol and Jung Kyung Soon to be as good. History of the Salaryman started off great, but fizzled in the second half, and I only made it through 13 episodes of Empress Ki. My main problem with them is that I tend to dislike how they write their female characters - that was less of an issue in Giant since it was so focused on the guys, but it really bothered me in their other shows.

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At least history of the salaryman is entertaining until the end. I couldn't even get past even the1st 2 episode of incarnation of money. Maybe the cast also be the main culprit since I'm not fond of Hwang Jung Eum and Kang Ji Hwan.
Don't know about empress Ki since non of the cast is my fav so I don't bothered to check out.. Yess their drama since history of the salaryman is very lackluster.

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There are some screenwriters that disappointed, like the Hong Sisters. i loved their previous works: You're Beautiful, Greatest Love and Master's Sun. Then they disappointed me with A Korean Odyssey and Alchemy of Souls. I skipped Big and tried watching Warm and Cozy but eventually droppes it. So their track record is very bumpy recently.

I still like Kim Eun Hee for Kingdom, Signal and Revenant. Jirisan was a mess but hopefully she will continue to do well with her Kingdom series.

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Baek Mi-kyung, who wrote the hugely popular 'Lady of Dignity' (2017), then went on to write the execrable 'Melting Me Softly', the touchstone for bad K-dramas. Watching the actors struggle through that series was like watching a hostage situation.

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‘Watching the actors struggle through that series was like watching a hostage situation’ 👈🏾 😆 This made me wonder if in these situations the cast and crew bond together in ways they didn’t think possible and thus remember it as a ‘special time’ like they have Stockholm syndrome.

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I think my biggest disappointment was DDSSLLSol.

I just loved Shopping Wang Louie and Terius Behind Me too much. I love shows with lovely characters and supportive relationships. Something cute and light.
And that's how DDSS started but then it became... That.
It felt like the most random writing of the year. Not even daily dramas with their weird revelations and plot twists feel that random.

I also liked Chief Kim and The Fiery Priest but I wasn't able to finish Vincenzo (it's on my "on hold -forever-" list). But since everyone seemed to liked it I started to wonder if I was the one with problem. Maybe it wasn't the writer. It didn't feel like a bad show but I just didn't fell in love with the characters like in his previous works. I guess I just had really high expectations or I was waiting for another type of chemistry and dynamic from the cast. I'm not sure.

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I didn't love the characters in Vincenzo either (just the character played by Kwak Dong-yeon was a little more likeable).
I guess that's why I didn't enjoy that drama as much as other people.

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I think that was my problem too.
After Chief Kim (crazy chemistry between the cast but especially NGM and JH) and Fiery Priest (one the most awesome squads ever, imo), I was expecting a lot from Vicenzo. But they just didn't click for me.

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I would love for Vincenzo to be remade someday. It's one of those rare dramas where I can say I'm not really attached to any of the actors.

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That's a nice idea! 🤔

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I loved TFP, but with VINCENZO I struggled hard for a few episodes before bailing. Humor was meh, acting was meh (sorry, SJK, I've seen you do better, and FL's "performance" made me want to punch something - I assume she tried to copy Honey Lee in TFP... well, that was an epic fail if I've ever seen one), chemistry between characters also was nonexistent and overall it was utterly charmless. The only saving graces were pretty shots and KDY, but that was not enough to keep me going, sadly.

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Oh, yeah. I was in the "a little uncomfortable with the FL's acting/character" club. It was a shame because I really liked the actress in Melo is my Nature.

Honey Lee in TFP was iconic.

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I've never seen her in anything else, so this is the case of rather unfavorable first impression for me.

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DDSSLLS was a huge disappointment to me also.

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Oh wow, I LOVED Shopping King Louie and Terius Behind Me and had no idea the same person wrote the dismal train wreck that was DDSSLLSol!

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It's hard to believe, right? Hahaha.
I really hope she goes back on track with her next project. I really want more of her stories.

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When writers let me down...
That'll be Monthly Magazine Home and Oh! Master. For MMH, it's more of extremely dissatisfied with the ending, to the point of putting it away for more than a year. And on the side of Oh! Master, it was it taking a step forward and two steps back with it's main lead Han Bi-soo. If not for Se-hee in Because This Life Is My First, I don't think I'll be forgiving and understanding of Lee Min-ki.

Trolley let me down immensely in ways I don't want to bring up anymore in details for the sake of my mental health. I do know it made me averse to any future drama giving a hint of such themes and leading me to dropping them despite loving them earlier on. I loved Trolley. I still love it. It is a highlight of my 2023 dramas, but it also became the beginning of my sour tastes with kdramas this year.

On a lesser note, recently Not Others disappointed me with the lack of emotional growth between mother and daughter. While I'll always laud them for championing the school of thought that family isn't only by blood, I was left fearing for Jin-hong and Jae-won. I feel like this two people should stay metres away from the two ladies. It's not that their ladies do not love them enough, it is that they didn't convince me enough that they'll be able to make their leading me. a priority in the same vein this men make them priorities. That's now growth to me, despite applauding them for the appending the found family school of thought.

There's one screenwriter that let me down in a way I wasn't expecting - Crash Course In Romance. And it's not the serial killer storyline that was hovering around the storyline, or them making the sweet supportive TA Dong-hui the serial killer, although those two hurt me a great deal. Not to talk about them making him commit suicide instead of a shot at proper therapy and a statement to the extremely competitive educational system that has guardians - parents or not, losing their sense of sensibility. Its them succumbing to the media pressure and making Choi Chi-yeol address Nam Haeng-seon as Noona. I was let down a great deal by the screenwriter. I am sure that scene where he addressed Haeng-soon as Noona was reshoot, that's if the show was pre-produced. It was a huge letdown.

There's one thing that rings true in the midst of my choices. It wasn't that there was no way out of the way they wrote their dramas. There were other outes but they choose that one.

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@jerrykuvira. You know I agree with you on Trolley, since we had a discussion on it. In fact, I am a lot harsher than you. There is no way I'd list that as one of my top dramas of 2023. I might list its first 3 episodes as the among the best first few episodes of 2023. But the show sunk so quickly after say, episode 8-9 that I nearly couldn't finish it.

But I also agree with you in Crash Course with Romance. I've only seen 3 dramas by Yang Hee-Seung, but I liked Oh My Ghost as as a light and fluffy fantasy rom-com, and then Weightlifting Fairy remains one of my favorite romances, for a whole bunch of reasons. Crash Course had so many strengths, but then frittered them away, and in the end was very unsatisfying despite the happy ending which of course wanted.

But that doesn't mean I've given up on her at all. It was a big disappointment, but I'll certainly be eager for her next show.

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I also don't track screenwriters like I do actors/actress works. Just as with any successful script, it takes the director, actors and crew to make it a good to great production.

But in recent years, Beanies have noticed some very strange good start/horrible finishes to series. The suspects for the horrible let downs are various: a director with his own viewpoint, "star" actors who make changes on set; a nosy network wanting changes to get higher ratings; financially thin studio trying to squeeze in more PPL; and public negative comments about a show forcing anxiety ridden writers to switch course.

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I'm looking at public comments forcing Choi Chi-yeol to address Nam Haeng-seon as noona and I can't forgive the writer team and by extension the writer PD team for not standing their ground with their writing the characters as mid-forties.

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I had expected that this whole post would just be Kim Eun-hee and Jirisan.

Mine is Oh Ji-young and Do Do Sol Sol La La Sol, but not because of the ending -- this show was dead to me when the writer made Lee Jae-wook a high schooler. Why? Why did he have to be 19 (in Korean age)? Why did the writer have to ruin my cute same-aged romance? Why did the writer have to insert the most unnecessary plot twist ever? I was so disappointed not only because I loved the first five episodes, but also because I loved the writer's previous drama Shopping King Louie, where nobody was a minor.

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Let there be blood, mwahahaha!

Anyway, there are just too many examples to even know where to start, unfortunately. Like screenwriter of ARANG AND THE MAGISTRATE (arguably the best fantasy sageuk ever) and MISAENG (never saw that one, but heard only good things) also created BRIDE OF HABAEK (why?) and some idol nonsense - and that's it. I just don't get it, honestly. What happened?

Same with author of MARRIAGE NOT DATING who's following work was the abomination - and utter waste of YWJ at his best - called INTROVERTED BOSS. It was so darn bad that they had to hastily rewrite the drama DURING airing - and the result was still horrendous.

As much as I enjoyed REVENANT, nothing other than Season3 where ML rethinks the idiocy of S2 finale and takes his well-deserved throne back will ever make me forgive the writer for ruining KINGDOM after nearly two great seasons. JIRISAN was too bland to evoke any feelings from me, so I'll give her pass on that one.

Hong sisters have my utmost disrespect since MY GIRL. If you've ever wondered why LJG never did a romcom after that show - blame them, they gave my man a trauma lasting nearly two decades now lol. I've seen few other of their dramas, even somewhat enjoyed them, but every time they're doing casting rounds for a new project I pray "not my faves pls!". I do keep fond memories of MASTER'S SUN... well, its first 12 episodes or so. Pretending that few last hours never happened makes the show almost perfect.

Most other famous and beloved among kdrama fans names don't evoke much sympathy from me either. Esp those known for their romcoms/romance melos. They have their ups and downs but most of the time I just don't care.

P.S. Suggestion for the future: "Writers that you KNEW you shouldn't trust and they proved you right/still managed to let you down somehow". Sounds very ragethought-provoking to me^^

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I am just ignoring the last 5 minutes of Kingdom and choose to see it as a self-contained 12-episode drama.

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Smart of you. Too bad my memory is way too vivid for that(((

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SHY BOSS had the same writer as MARRIAGE, NOT DATING. I still do not understand why and how the same writer could have stumbled so badly after writing the masterpiece which is MND.

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Yeah, you'd think ANYONE, let alone a professional writer, would know that starting your romcom with a public suicide scene ain't gonna work very well at setting the right mood...

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I remember making that very same point at the time the show aired. The show was a disaster from the very beginning.

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It was so bad all the way that I even kinda wanted to see what they planned to do with the plot before rewrite - purely hypothetically ofc. It's probably better that we never knew.

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Yup, Reflection of You was an epic train wreck.

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I don't usually put too much expectation on dramas. But yes, there are a few cases where the writing was seriously unbelievable.

1. God's Gift 14 Days; after a rollercoster of emotions throughout the series, suddenly the writer felt it was cool to crush our hope in the worst way possible.

2. CCIR; I was so psyhed watching the queen of Korean Movie industry on my screen just to find the writing was such a mess. I had no idea where the writer got the idea that happy ending means all characters getting love line. And don't get me started with the way they ended the culprit.

3. I think Taxi Driver was my only hate watching drama so far. The writer needs to get the fact straight; did they write fantasy or action thriller? I wouldn't care AT ALL even when the ML raised from the dead if it's fantasy. But if not, they need to research better; it's outrageous!

I have many more in store for other dramas like Shadow Detective, The First Responder, Jinxed at First, Moon Lovers, but let's just say that dropping the shows reflected their bad writing.

That said, yes it's impossible for any writer to always write amazing script. I've yet to watch Grid from LSY but I'll still follow her even if it turns out to be a dissapoint.

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I agree that there are certain writers I'll pretty much always watch (even if an occasional show is terrible), because I find their work interesting even when it's uneven. I also have not seen Grid (thanks, Disney+), but I'll definitely check it out if it ever lands on a screening service I subscribe to just because of the screenwriter.

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Han Jung-hoon wrote one my favourite dramas of all time! SQUAD 38. I love fun heist capers. And this drama delivered and then some!

So do you know how personally attacked I felt when I watched the ending of MISSING NINE??! Which also just happens to star one my favourite actors Jung Kyung-ho??!

I know and agree that the ending of HEARTBEAT was WTF

But nothing I mean NOTHING has topped the ending of MISSING NINE. We literally have our protagonists playing with paint and laughing merrily with a SERIAL KILLER who KILLED THIER LOVED ONES. WTF WTF WTF 🤬🤬🤬

So when I saw praise for MY FELLOW CITIZENS and looked up the screenwriter, instant flashbacks flooded my brain. I was traumatised y’all and I don’t I’ve forgiven Han Jung-hoon to watch SONG OF BANDITS, it looks good but can’t help but be suspicious…

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I have no screenwriter in particular to point out. I do want to give a special shout out to all the screenwriters who try to force the destiny trope down our throats by having the leads bound together somehow in childhood. Please stop. It is beyond tired as a plot device.

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I'm imagining a screenwriting night class somewhere in Seoul with the instructor yelling "you MUST have the leads bound together somehow in childhood!" all the tired students who work jobs during the day nod their heads in unison and shout back, "yes, teacher!"

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I have one that most people will not agree with. But Kwon Do Eun, who as far as I can tell has only written two dramas, is in my opinion enormously skilled in writing not just storylines but also characters and dialogue. But after Search WWW, which I thought was excellent (although I wasn't thrilled at the FL noona's qualms about the guy who loved her) then wrote 25-21, which was also excellent IN PARTS. But its big flaw was a writing one, not directing or acting: the retrospective framework of the narrative, which in the end meant that the ending was just an enormous letdown. If the show had ended with the bittersweet goodbye between the FL and the ML then I would have said another classic. As it is, I felt really let down. Still I really want to see another drama from her.

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The drama love of my life is City Hall. So, I do keep track of the writer, the now super famous Kim Eun Sook. I don’t know how to say this, nothing has lived up to City Hall… I love a little bit of every of her drama, but not as whole heartedly for the wit and chemistry in City Hall.

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I only looked her up after a recent rewatch of City Hall and I was surprised to see her other work. It's a long and successful list, but compared to those, City Hall feels to me like it came from a different writer.

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I agree, it's singular. I wish she wrote a few more like City Hall. I think the casting of Cha Seung Won and Kim Sun A was probably one of the best out of all her dramas. If you look at her filmography and how different the dramas are in tone and subject, it's hard to believe they're all written by the same person, isn't it?

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I know what you mean about City Hall being special and even a bit out of place among her other works. City Hall also has a special place in my heart, it made me feel a lot of emotions, like the sense of longing, etc. It's such a smart and funny romantic comedy. Wouldn't it be nice if she made a few more just like that? This screenwriter's dramas are all very different from each other and so makes it frustrating for those of us who fell in love with one and then can't find another one like it anywhere else.

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It's kind of cruel that she's so prolific. You have to watch a dozen other of her shows before realizing City Hall was a one-off. Maybe the closest in tone, and not really that close, was Secret Garden, but I actually thought it was the Hong sisters all this time somehow. Wouldn't have connected it to the Lovers trilogy, so that does show versatility.

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There is no doubt in her versatility as a writer to making all those hit dramas. Hats off to her for trying different genres and topics. Oftentimes, her other works after City Hall had some amazing scenes and dialogues, but some did seem as if she’s opting in to attempt new stuff but came out short.

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I've never heard of City Hall but checked it out on MDL. No streaming options mentioned there (but very high reviews) so I checked Kocowa on the off chance it was there since it was originally on one of the broadcast stations. It's now on my Watchlist. Thanks for mentioning it. 😊😊

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I want to say, if Heartbeat writer decided to borrow an idea of a vampire mansion and an independent girl trying to make it in a rough world, it should have copied more thoroughly, concentrating on the weirdness of guests who stay at the guesthouse, threats of redevelopment and the attachment we grow to people and places.
in my version they really had to fight for both their identity and their nature, and their rights as individuals. Their ideas and goals in a world that constantly tries to make you give up.
It dragged, I´d say. the setting and visuals were perfect, but you can have more tension and less filler.

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The screenwriter behind W and Memories of the Alhambra has burned me for the last time.

I watched W early in my Kdrama addiction, and didn't know anything about it or the crew going in. I loved it at first, but despite its overall potential the ending was a confusing letdown.

Then I watched Memories of the Alhambra before the final ep had aired (another mistake I will never repeat) and, once again, loved it at first. Lots of potential, beautiful Spanish scenery, Hyun Bin was fantastic, etc etc, and then... that ending. Yes, I'm still pissed off about that ending four years later. No, I'm probably never going to get over it, lol.

I didn't even realize until well after the fact that both of these shows were written by the same writer. And now I know not to bother wasting my time with any of their future dramas, no matter how great the premise or cast might be, because the endings will inevitably leave me feeling 🤨 at best, or 🤬 at worst.

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