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Open Thread #845

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Ahhhh my drama plate has thinned out a bit again, which makes me feel bittersweet because I know the ones I’m currently watching don’t have long to go 😭 Nothing says ’time is fleeting’ quite like watching the icon of your fave show in the Dramabeans ‘currently recapping’ footer slowly get pushed down towards the back of the line as new shows start.

In some good news though, my area has a largely asian demographic so we’ve always been blessed to have a lot of different asian cuisine near us - including quite a few Korean restaurants - and the latest addition to the shopping/eating precinct is a Korean style convenience store and I’m so stoked. It’s got everything: the ramen station, the hot food section, the DIY iced drinks, a whole host of Korean snacks and other misc. products. It’s basically almost the same as a GS25 or CU, except things aren’t quite as cheap as they are in SK 😅But the best bit is that it’s open till quite late and is only a 10 minute walk from my house!! Knowing my lazy self though, I doubt I’ll be making the short trek down at night when I’m craving certain foods but it is cool to know that there’s a place nearby where I can exude main character energy in K-drama style if I want to.

Also sending all you lovely Beanies my bestest New Years wishes! ✨I hope 2024 brings you good health, prosperity, the best vibes and of course some lovely dramas to enjoy. I’ll be part of the Aus/NZ Beanie squad ushering in the new year first, so will make sure to throw all my love and best wishes in the air so that you all get it not soon after 💕 💕 💕

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Such a lovely comment and sentiments. On ya!

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Aus/NZ Beanie Squad for the win! Together, we keep this site running around the clock!!! I honestly take heart in the fact that the sun is always shining on some Beanie somewhere. I imagine us, with our heads turned like sunflowers, ready to face the day. It's so amazing to be a part of this community.

Oh, also, I've been meaning to thank you, @lapislazulii, for sharing all of your recent substantial essays...I don't know if folks have seen the number of cogent sentences that Lapis has lavished on us recently, both on the Fan Wall and in the recap comments, but I highly recommend that people check it out! You can go to this profile page to see it all in one place...just sayin' 😊

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Aww Seon-ha you're the sweetest, this made me feel warm and fuzzy and I LOVE the sunflower imagery because it's so beautiful 🌻

Thank you for the lovely words and thank you for reading my rambles - I'm not sure about cogent because they're rife with typos and half a dozen grammatical errors but I'm so grateful to have a space where I can just post thought-essays to interact with people and read other people's thought essays, GIFs and commentary in return 💕 💕💕

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I always know I need to pay attention when you post or I'll miss something--not something that needs to be said about most of my comments! 😉

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🥰 🥰 🥰

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Wishing you a happy holiday and New Year!

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and to you too emsel ✨ 💜

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Thank you for jumping on to share today. Wishing you joy and peace in 2024, two things we can not take for granted these days. Looking forward to seeing you in the comments of a shared watch in the new year!

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Thank you for reading & leaving a comment! Absolutely can't take those things for granted these days & likewise looking forward to another year of discussions and interactions with you as well 💖

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You'll be practically a time traveller sending beanies your best wishes from the future. And I'll send you lots of love from the past.
Thank you for your good wishes. 💚

For a great year for all beanies!

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This is so sweet thanks Tabong!! 💕 For a great year for all Beanies, cheers to that 🥂

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@lapislazulii Happy new year and here's hoping next year's clutch of K-Dramas are stellar!

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happy new year 9TailedVixen 💕 and yes fingers crossed for next years drama slate being an elite one🤞

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Happy New Year and we'll be sure to catch all your love and best wishes and keep them safely in our ❤ 🫶

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aww this is sweet - you're so sweet! happy new year to you too Cera! ❤️

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Happy New Year soon Lapis. 🎉🎉🎉

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Mother Earth - 2023 - with its so few +ve and so many -ve

Recording making summer and autumn and to some part even the intial cold season. 2024 can all these record gonna last barely for few months or 2024 summer and autumn ACHIEVE MORE.

oh ho - trouble times ahead - i side with Mother EARTH.

Rain - fast - furious - recording making - This the not new now - All upcoming future for it. more or less rain - unseasonal rain - instant floods or daily routine floods of ever powerful storm season.

Spring and Autumn - losing their weeks to summer and cold season. 2 season weather where bth spring and autumn broadcast they are initial summer and cold season.

You get what you deserve - your decisions - yours acts - face the consequences too.

I'm enjoying my time having some popcorn.

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snow - i've never watched - yeah - live snowfall - heh - i'm in slight pinch - Only +ve is 2024 - change that might will do a big +ve. I'm expecting change in 2024 or i'll be troubled one more time.
Rain - can frustrate - and so do cloudy days - then you have good dew and hite cloud all around. moisture enough in the air to make your eyes ache - nose burn - fingers and toe burn. And yet temperature remains well above zero. This kind of cold can do much damage to health - That's why

Pharma and Lab stocks always do good in cold season.

I can't handle this anymore - as a young hot blood you think it's nothing but as you grow things become different.

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Politics - Right wing this n that - like any of this matters - like they do anything much different from others - In 2023 they had their own share of wins - and in 2024 they are aiming for big wins all around major economies - This will decide where and how money and employment flows. Others are just haha hehe playing the game. This is why politics is such a wholesome sport - only for those who are involved in it. big -ve for common man .

AI - buzzword of 2023 - pretty useless stuff that makes you less productive in its current form. 1000s of tools launched around - good business opportunity those see it. As much bad for young as much is social media. Need to build the model from new for better content and data analytics. Not much progressed from 2019 - those who know. Just better marketing done to get investment from all sides.

FIGHT - typical of 2023 - you fight, u fight, everyone fight - for what - resources. So not much to say here. boring stuff. Only those know who face it - for everyone other it's just data and news.

TV - news concentrated more power and sports doing major deals - except that nothing much to talk about. Competition is huge and that's one big moment why female sports getting more attention.

Economy - not so good all around - huge unemployment - not because of AI. Wages low - rent high. food items scarce because weather. So yeah tough 2023 - Even more tougher will be 2024.

That's all for 2023.

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i really enjoy your stream-of-consciousness writing style :) happy new year!

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The DB discussion started in the news section, but Lee Sun kyun’s passing has become a huge international story with potential far reaching ramifications. Lee was caught up in a Gangnam VIP club drug bust when he was implicated by the female bar manager, who had SIX prior drug arrests on her record. Lee denied the charges and later claimed that he was being blackmailed by the manager (in fact paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars). Normally, at the preliminary investigation stage, a potential suspect’s name is not reported to the public. But Korea’s current conservative President ran on a platform of zero tolerance, war on drugs. There was a political agenda to get high profile cases. (Ironically, Yoon’s own wife is about to be indicated for a large stock manipulation scheme.)

The club manager also implicated seven other people, including singer G-Dragon, in order to get favorable treatment for her own crimes and sentencing. The difference was that GD assembled his own team, including the top criminal defense attorney and former Supreme Court Justice, to handle the investigation. His team pushed back at the police demands for interrogations, got ahead of the public relations fallout, and submitted their client to several drug tests. Like Lee, all those drug tests came back negative. GD’s team convinced the police that they had no objective evidence of GD’s involvement in drugs, or whether he was even at the club -- to push the case file be closed. However, Lee’s case continued for three long interrogations, including a 19 hour session just before his extreme decision (police are only allowed to interrogate a witness for 6 hours; no competent counsel would allow such a lengthy interrogation to take place.) It appears that Lee may have been at the VIP club, knew the manager so the police were desperate to make a case against him.

Lee’s investigation went beyond the norm with the tabloid press to national media outlets publishing leaked information and speculation about the case, including recorded phone messages and texts from the club manager. Clearly, the police and manager had been leaking information to the press to put Lee in a bad light and not in context to facts in the case. It was reported that Lee claimed that he snorted white powder at the club thinking it was a sleeping pill. Adding to his woes were unverified netizen claims of infidelity by the actor. He was being vilified by the court of public opinion and not a court of law. He was never formally charged with a crime, but the narrative about him was out of control.

Then, on December 27, Koreans were shocked by Lee’s extreme choice. Dispatch published a scathing article about the police conduct in Lee’s case. (Ironically, in a few days Dispatch will ruin the career of a young female idol for dating an older actor - - to feed the parasocial, gossipy Korean couple culture.) Several local journalists also berated their colleagues for publishing unverified and private...

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... matters without justification.

International readers had a hard time understanding why a actor at the peak of his career could make such an extreme choice. Suicide has long been a way to preserve one's family honor in Asia. Unlike the West, where religions like Christianity view suicide as a sin carrying a negative connotation, suicide among Asian countries is seen as a means of atoning for disgrace, defeat, or any other dishonorable action or event. Many Asian parents hold dearly to the centuries-old culture of shame, family duty and honor so it often gets passed down to the next generation. So much so that if their children need help for issues related to low self-esteem, depression, anxiety, or any personal struggles, they can be seen as tarnishing the family’s prestige. The cultural explanation to Japanese suicide: “Death puts an end to everything, and the victim becomes a god, and becoming free of criticism."

However, it is not a rational decision. It does not stop the advertising/endorsement contract penalties that were reported to be between $7-8 million (US) (Lee and his wife were long time spokespeople for various products due to their wholesome, family reputation.) It does not clear his name or reputation from the allegations. It does not help his children who now have to grow up without their father.

We will never know the truth with Lee’s passing. I don’t think this will be a cause for change in how police investigate, how the press covers celebrity scandals or how celebrities behave even though they are under a brutal, public microscope of a cancel culture.

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There were two articles in the NYtimes including an obituary and a story about the scandal. I'll post here for anyone interested that can access. Obituaries in the NYtimes about non-english speaking actors happen, but not all that often which speaks to both the loss of an important actor and the drug laws that may come under more scrutiny in SK. As a k-drama watcher from the US, I have found the ferocity of SK coverage/outcome of scandals unnerving. Such sad and shocking news.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/asia/lee-sun-kyun-korea-drug-policy.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/world/asia/lee-sun-kyun-parasite-dead.html

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Normally I avoid political commentary online like the plague. But it feels kind of too much for me.
The previous administration promoted (pop) culture left, right and centre. This administration ruined a stellar career and led to the death of another great actor (as far as I know so far).
Also, I have watched Prison Playbook and the demise of one character hit too close to home - especially these days - and pointed out the crooked way this policy is enforced. Hitting the victim once more, but the distributors, those who do the real damage are protected because they can pump the numbers by ratting out their clients (or making up some).
I feel so sad and helpless watching this. I pondered a lot if I should or shouldn't comment, because keyboard warriors led - indirectly to Lee Sun Kyun's passing. My words are just noise in the wind after all.

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I'm a Christian and I never judge people who make this decision. Only God can judge people, for only God can know our thoughts and hearts. And to be honest, *this* has been a real temptation for me for a long time. It's an end to suffering. However, I do think it's a bit slefish bc now your family has to survive without you. My family and my cat have kept me alive, literally. But I'm not judging him. He saw his career destroyed before the world's eyes and he was innocent. That suffering is real :( I'm heartbroken for him and his family, and I hope justice is done to punish the REAL criminals in this case, even though it won't bring him back :(

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I really hope *that* doesn't continue to be a temptation for you. I know we are strangers, probably living in 2 different corners of the world, but if there is any moment in life when it all feels hopeless, please know you can reach out to me. I don't promise to understand everything 100% but I can definitely lend a non judgmental ear and probably offer a different perspective to things. Hugs

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I am the same— a Christian, but a strong believer in knowing that it is never my place to judge anyone for anything, including the decision to commit suicide. In addition, in the real & non-religious world, suicide has so many other implications and causes, one of which is mental health, which is also a very complex thing in and of itself.

Clarification:
I’m not saying nor assuming LSK didn’t or did not have mental health struggles at the time of his decision.

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I will add:
“Suicide is a great and disgraceful sin” is a huge statement and misleading way in assuming what Christians believe depending on denomination— it’s too much of a generalization. It’s not what many believe now in our new covenant with Jesus Christ. This way of thinking is more aligned with Mosaic (Moses) times before Christ, which many are not a part of anymore nor are the principles many live by anymore

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I hope you will feel better. I send hugs. Please, always give tomorrow a chance - I would never condemn anyone for this, but also ... there is such a short time to be alive in, if you feel you can't do anything, consider doing things you don't have courage to do, something good, rather than doing such a sad thing with your life.
I wish you many happy new years.
And BTW, I'm a Christian, too. So grace is and should be a core value, not the prejudice and excluding of others that some people very unfairly seem to associate with Jesus.

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I too have literally been kept alive by my family. The first time I really understood why people do *this* was when Robin Williams passed. That was a horrific time for me. I had been travelling, staying alone for work, in a city where a friend's cousin had a few years ago made *this* choice as her wedding was called off for the third time. She had two broken engagements previously. I was saddened but didn't get why she wanted to punish herself over a man. But something about Robin Williams was extremely triggering.

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Robin Williams was a very real wake up call for a lot of people because he was so well known and admired and seemed to have it all.
‘I too have literally been kept alive by my family’ 👈🏾 your family sounds really special, take care of yourself❤️

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Thank you for adding some cultural context to this.
I'd heard about the penalties for the lost ad revenue, but wasn't sure if it included his wife.
GD just made his first donation to the foundation he started to help more people receive help for drug addiction. It seems like such a huge undertaking if there isn't government support. I hope they are able to accomplish it.

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Although your explanation is interesting to me as I often wonder about this topic, it's hugely reductionist to refer to Asia using cultural beliefs that apply to only a few countries. When you say Asia or Asians here, you are really only referring to Korea and Japan (perhaps China also). Let's remember that South Asia exists and is home to many Muslim populations who have the same opinion of suicide as Christians. From SEAN countries, Malaysia and Indonesia are predominantly Muslim.

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I'm going to reject the cultural explanation as an adequate one, because it not only does it judge a whole culture for what I see very clearly as institutional failures, it also ignores the fact that suicide is a issue all over the world particularly among older men.
The U.S. -- long regarded, correctly, as an individualist predominantly Christian country, also has a high rate of suicide, especially among men over 40. To be sure, the Korean rate was far higher, the U.S. rate for men 45-55 2022 was 19.2 per 100,000, vs. 28.9 per 100,000 for Korea. But sadly, we are still talking in the 1000s here. So you could make an argument about maleness and culture connected with suicide across the globe that would be more convincing than one that just focused on Asian culture.

Where Korea is unique, is in the number of suicides among young people, but even here, the idea that there is some sort traditionalist veneration of family honor behind youth suicides totally ignores that Korea puts children under tremendous pressure to succeed in a brutally capitalist economy. The pressure that children are feeling is an institutional one, encouraged by powerful corporations, who enjoy a system that winnows out those who can't take enormous work pressures and that allows them to pick and choose among hundreds of candidates. Suicide among Korean youth isn't driven by a sense of family--its driven by exploitation of young people.

Here the U.S. provides a strong counter to the "centuries old" family honor argument for youth suicide-- Asian American young people have far lower rates of suicide than white children in the U.S. So have these non-suicidal Asian-American young people and their parents left behind the Asian sense of family because they have immigrated? Not according to any of the personal testimonies of second generation immigrants that I've read! Asian American children are often driven to succeed in school by their family--and indeed suffer from and are discriminated against by the "model minority" stereotype. Why does this not lead to a high suicide rate? Its hard to know exactly but there are clear economic differences. The consequences of "failure" are not monumental for child's economic future. There are few high stakes tests in the U.S.; it is not essential that you get a job at one of a few companies, families don't need to pressure children beyond reason in worrying about the future.
But I want to also talk directly about Lee's suicide, again rejecting the sense of cultural shame as a cause.

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But also I want to reject the idea that the vengeful "public" is the main reason for cancel culture.
The Korean entertainment industry has, from the later twentieth century, kept its actors and idols under control by using the threat of scandal and blacklisting. Sure, the top celebrities get paid handsomely, but in exchange they give up a lot of freedom. The press and Koreas government and police are willing partners in this system, eagerly publicizing and “investigating” behavior that might be personally unfortunate – minor drug use not affecting performance; frequenting a “hostess” bar when you are married—but really is only of personal consequence.
Here, though is where the Internet comes in. By ginning up a small group of “netizens” to express emotional, ill thought out opinions, they can say--the "public" demands you be cancelled, and then when a tragic suicide occurs, they can also blame the public. But its their system that corporations have set up, and that they actively encourage. They are willing to lose a few “misbehaving” stars to hold as a cudgel over other performers – saying you see, this is what happens when you behave outside of the type of public behavior that will earn us the most money—the public will demand that you kill yourself.
Now you could call this “cultural” I suppose, but again, its not a traditional Asian culture—it’s the culture of exploitative capitalism, which can be reigned in. You don’t have to change an entire countries culture to do so. You can change industry practices by regulating the power of agencies, you can remove absurd and draconian drug and moral’s laws, you can refuse to use police resources to elaborate investigations of celebrities who are not in position of political power—there’s a lot you can do.

To end optimistically, I actually have confidence that Korea will eventually do it because these suicides in the end really are bad for national global business and also the countries reputation, and also, they might feel a sense of moral responsibility--maybe even because of its more collectivist culture.

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"Now you could call this “cultural” I suppose, but again, its not a traditional Asian culture—it’s the culture of exploitative capitalism, which can be reigned in."

Yes, exactly. This is what has been swirling around my brain for a long time, but in particular since this latest news broke, but I struggled to put it into words as direct and eloquent as these. Thank you for doing so.

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I think it's probably a mix of culture & exploitative capitalism.

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Where capitalism is failing is in not putting money into social welfare. I thought the US was lacking but the fact that maybe 500 people could get help for addictions a year is hard for me to grasp. I am going to guess (and it is a very uneducated guess) that any form of suicide prevention or any areas of mental health is probably underfunded. Also, I am curious how prevalent it is to train doctors in understanding depression and addiction.

And saying anything is cultural is a very generalized and simplistic way of explaining something. But I don't see people talking about how South Korea being a "collective society" or a society that has strong ties to Confucianism might be one or two of the hundreds of complex and layered reasons why the suicide rate is so high. When I first got into kdramas and kpop I had a hard time as an American understanding the way they'd apologize for things that seemed so trivial to me, because I was seeing it through my American lense.
Though of course here there is also the mishandling of the whole situation by the police.

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You put it all together so well! I suspect that the economic interest/contracts/penalties are the main culprit here. The agencies will say that it is the advertisers who will pull the plug and the the advertisers will say that it is the public who will refuse to buy their products if they don't distance themselves. Naturally there is a 'loss' that needs compensation. The newspapers and other media always win from any scandal, because it raises their readership (and advertising revenue). The losers are the actors who have to live within the constraints of all of this.

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@hacja: As @laurensophie said, thank you for both of your eloquent, substantive and non-reductionist comments. The causes of most suicides are complex and cannot, shouldn’t be reduced to cultural factors alone. @ndlessjoie mentioned an insightful article which cited a number of Korean experts who highlighted a range of complex factors, some of which @hacja noted: https://jaehakim.substack.com/p/korean-parasite-actor-lee-sun-kyun-suicide-death

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I doubt much is gonna change because the things that led to this still exist; the parasocial element and celebrities on pedestals, the fervant need for clicks and views, the culture of drug use = person who doesn't even deserve decency and is the absolute worst.

I just don't have faith in people. No one is ever held accountable or changed in these situations. It's always "thoughts and prayers" after the incident and back to cyberbullying and criticizing business as usual.

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I read the story with horror. He was denied due process with all the leaks. I hope the manager doesn’t get off easily but fear she will. The public pile on before facts are established in a court of law needs to stop. RIP

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Thanks for writing about this. When I saw it, I was shocked and saddened. I hold out hope that the way the police behaved will be scrutinized.

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So so awful

His wife and children (who are both underage) must be going through hell right now.

Losing your husband/father amidst a sea of unwanted attention from media outlets who want clicks and advertising revenue, the harassment from online sociopaths who derive a sense of purpose from being part of an online mob and self righteously "cancelling" people while their own misdeeds are safely cloaked away from public scrutiny.

Regardless of what he did, he had a right to due process and a fair and unbiased investigation and trial.

I sincerely hope his family finds healing, those poor kids 😔

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how can it be that South Korea who pushes education is so uneducated and stagnant when it comes to human rights.
I have a theory why but... I mean we also have a lot of people here whose morals were formed during the occupation... maybe it still affects them
another thing is I dont think police academy is a real school, sry. unfortunately it is rather obvious from these lowlife acts like leaking files that they are all high school dropouts and there is not much difference between South korean police or criminals
as I said before. something that leads to a persons death when you are aware they are likely to die is voluntary manslaughter.

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This year several K-dramas have promoted expansion of the right of the police to invade the lives and computers of others. Civil Rights like that have been depicted as absurd hindrance to police work (also in some American shows, but I don't watch so many. "Lucifer", which in some ways is fairly progressive, called it "lawyering up", as if it was just a matter of cheating the law, to get legal aid when arrested).

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Thank you for this explanation of the investigation into the accusations and subsequent death of Lee Sun-kyun.

I'm old, and I've lived through the passing of many talents. This gifted actor was pedigreed, known to and rewarded by an international audience. His death is a profound loss. Many South Korean performers, and others in the industry, worked with him and knew him personally.

Can it possibly be that any competent legal representative would allow their client to endure a 19-hour interrogation?

Can it possibly be that the police inquisitors are competent?

Can it possibly be that the agency/agents supporting him over the decades, and profiting from his success, could not have found a way to help him get the emotional, financial and legal help he needed to see his way out of this mess?

Is it really (REALLY?) necessary for actors to sign onto endorsement deals with brutally punishing consequences when circumstances change? These kinds of contracts create straight jackets for creative artists and frankly, they are junk. Nobody's endorsement of a product has ever convinced me to buy anything.

Zero tolerance is inhuman, unworkable and stupid. The South Korean President's campaign for zero tolerance on drugs, while perhaps admirably conceived (benefit of the doubt here), is now sullied by the loss of one of Korea's top talents.

As for the media, and others on the internet freewheeling with speculations and toxicity, well these are the times we live in. Liars abound. It's up to all of us to push back on these scoundrels.

Somehow, gifted artists with tremendous fame survive the entertainment maelstrom. Perhaps they are lucky, or have solid, honest professionals supporting them over the years. If I were to gift them with one thought, it would be -- always be prepared to step away and live another life. After all, Shirley Temple (Black), the Depression-era star who was as famous in her time as BTS or anyone today, and nearly single-handedly saved the Hollywood film industry (Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers helped) grew up, left "show business," had a family and went on to a successful diplomatic career.

It takes courage, good fortune and health, but it can be done. I reserve the hope that Lee Sun-kyun's passing will jar other top talents to use their platforms and force change on the dynamic South Korean entertainment industry. Past time.

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This is so heartbreaking.💔
My heart goes out to his wife and children. I was heading home from an amusement park when I heard the news on the radio. Even the non-Korean media were updated with the news, given the global recognition of PARASIDE.
Stay strong Jeon Hye Jin!

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er Parasite.

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This was the first celebrity scandal that I was somewhat following since the very beginning and the way this guy was treated by the police, the media, netizens, and commenters was just so needless, ridiculously harsh. They acted as if he was the scum of the world.

I remember when it was JUST specualations, people were like he's ruined and humilated his entire family. That his wife should leave him.
Then when the negative drug tests results came back, it became "well, even if he didn't do drugs, he still went to that club so he's a scumbag and deserves this treatment".

And then if anyone offered any questions such as how he was even named in this case, what is the circumstances, etc, it was dismissed or it was as if condoning his behaviors.

He (and G Dragon) were just mercilessly vilified over something that harmed NO ONE. Whether he did drugs or cheated or not, the reaction was so intense and overwhelming, even from an outside perspective.

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Exactly. That's one of things that upset me the most. It doesn't matter if he did this, that or if he did not. It still was TOO MUCH. He was trapped into a corner for no damn reason.
I don't care if the allegations were true or not because this ending is not appropriate for any of them.

This whole situation it's completely ridiculous. I feel extremely bad for him, and I just hope his loved ones can find comfort and a safe place in each other during such a difficult time.

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I know that G Dragon went a different way as soon as he was mentioned but I am confused by Lee's case. I think his legal team went a "wait and see" approach and it's like why? Why did they not counter if the investigation wasn't proceeding in a normal way? Why did they allow a 19 hour questioning if the norm is 6 hours? Why were they so passive?

Were his lawyers incompetent? Why would he hire incompetent lawyers?

I saw an online journalist say Lee was targeted because he was famous yet powerless and that was surprising to me because I think it's often assumed fame = power. Somehow G Dragon is famous and powerful if he was able to get such a skilled team assembled quickly.

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I will speculate that GD was able to take quick and effective action because this was not his first drug scandal, and also there have been prior giant scandals among his band mates and close associates. I say this as a great fan of GD.

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It seems like his new management stepped up to help even though he wasn't signed yet.
And it seems like with GD they only had the blackmailer's word as evidence.

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That makes sense. I was wondering how he walked away so easily (at least that's how it appeared to me). He hired a very effective team.

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I am absolutely disgusted by the SK zero tolerance of drug use. If you think it’s not a cultural issue, then why it’s being perpetuated through decades and encoded in law? The SK society must change its shame-based and pedestal-promoting culture and finally reckon with what they keep doing to their younger generation. It must stop treating its addicts as criminals. It must stop treating its mentally ill as criminal. Sulli. Jonghyun. Lee Sun Kyun. And many many others. Rest in peace. So many people let you down, and my heart aches even more because of this.

Per Wiki, “ The drug policy of South Korea is one of the strictest in the world. Under South Korean law, its citizens are prohibited from using drugs, even if they are abroad in a country where the use of drugs is legal.

South Koreans are also additionally forbidden to use cannabis, even if they are in countries where cannabis use is legalised or tolerated. Random drug tests are often present at South Korean ports of entry. When they return to South Korea, if they have been found to have used cannabis abroad, they can be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years. Cultivating, transporting or possessing cannabis is also illegal under South Korean criminal law, both domestic and abroad. The South Korean government regularly reminds its citizens of this prohibition. For example, the South Korean Embassy in Canada wrote (after cannabis use was legalized there in October 2018) that "it is illegal for South Koreans to use cannabis, even if they are in a region where cannabis is legal". The South Korean police also recently announced in an appeal that South Koreans can be punished at home if they use cannabis in a country where it is legal.”

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I recall a couple years ago Lee Sun-kyun said someone asked his young son what his father did for a living. The son replied 'Actor'. When asked if he knew what actors do the child replied 'They come home late drunk every night'. Lee told that as a 'charming anecdote'. I get the impression the guy had more demons than any of us know about.

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I made two Farewell Gifs in my Coffee Prince thread.
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1466946/#acomment-1512825

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I don't know if anyone here is watching Singles Inferno season 3. I am watching it and I have also watched the previous 2 seasons. As people who are in our early middle age, my friends and I call it our 'guilty pleasure' show. I liked the previous 2 seasons well enough, which is why I am watching season 3. However, I find someone in season 3 extremely problematic.

There is one person who shows narcissistic and psychopathic vibes. I have quite a few problems with this,

1) While some of the commentators called out his behavior, most of the others tried to justify it or laugh it off. I truly wish they didn’t sugarcoat what he was doing. Most of the audience is young for these kinds of shows. Not calling out the red flags in his behavior sets false expectations I feel.

2) I don’t know how posts regarding this show started popping up on my Twitter (X) feed, I think it is one person posting and re sharing tweets, I don’t know. But I have been seeing several posts about how they are fans of this particular guy and how they’re ‘shipping’ a particular girl in the show with that guy. I truly can’t understand how and why anyone would be a fan of this person and how they can’t see his obvious red flags.

3) There are also so many comments now attacking a girl in the show who called out his behavior (in the show). Again, I truly don’t understand what’s going on in these young ones’ minds and how they’re all OK with this kind of toxicity. The girl who called out his behavior has her own issues, but I was so glad that someone told him that straight to his face. He needed to hear it.

I know I probably come across as very judgmental, I don’t mind it. I am really confused that there are people out there in this world who try and justify rude and narcissistic behavior from a guy on international television. I am posting here looking for your opinions on this I think. I don’t mind if they’re different from mine, in fact I would love to know what I am missing.

This has been bothering me very much, especially after the news about Lee Sun Kyun’s death and how the public prosecuted him before all the facts were out. I feel like I am losing faith in humanity if the internet and people there are so powerful that they can justify any behavior or crucify anyone as long as they have enough voices.

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I don’t know if the show is scripted or not, so I feel I can name him here. I’m not sure who you’re referring to, but to me Gwan-hi (character) is narcissistic and a walking red flag. The equally narcissistic and manipulative equal is Ha-Jong character. I want these two to end up together because that is what my sister and I call “damage control”. I think Hye-seon is better off without him.

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Yes, I did mean Gwan Hee and Ha Jeong. I see people shipping Hye Seon with him and I just don't understand. He is a classic narcissist.

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I haven't watched this season but have enjoyed previous ones, Now that I know there is a person displaying Narcissistic Personality Disorder I won't go near it. Perhaps only trained mental health professionals and people who have had a narcissist in their lives really truly understand how cruel and manipulative they can be. The only way to survive a relationship with one is to never start it in the first place and/or get away as quickly and cleanly as possible. I join you in concern for the young female contestant.

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That sounds frightening. Do people perhaps just see a "charming" tsundere character?

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They do. That's how they're justifying it. He does have a sense of humor I guess (though it's completely lost on me), however, he is very manipulative and did something very demeaning to one of the female contestants, so it really is not possible to justify his behavior.

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You should sleep at my feet.
The that female contestant did just that.

For example.

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I dislike Gwan Hee very much. And Lee Da Hee dislikes him a lot too, LOL. It's so obvious. She's supposed to hide it, but she can't. And I love her for that. He's just... Yikes.

1. The commentators can't really judge people on the show, they can only "comment" on their behaviors. When everyone was talking about Gwan Hee's bad behavior there was one guy defended him, because they know that things can get ugly in real life for him. It's like this girl from Heart Signal that got LOTS of hate from just the teaser of the show. Like people hating her for no damn reason, saying she was this or that even before the show started.

So yeah, it can be dangerous (for the participants) if the commentators are too direct about some statements. But I still think they've talked about the things he did and they all agreed with what Ha Jeong said to him.

About Ha Jeong... Idk, people love hating woman for no reason, especially women like her. I'm not surprised you find your Twitter full of people attacking her for telling Gwan Hee he wasn't treating the girls with respect. "She gave the toxic guy some constructive criticism! What! Crazy woman!" 😒
She's not passive, she doesn't pretend she doesn't know how the world (or men) work, she's confident, she's honest, she's pretty... Of course people hate her. This is the world we live in.

Anyway, I don't give too much "real" thought to this show because it isn't real (for me it's just a kdrama and they're just actors/characters). But I find this season more interesting than
the previous one (for me season 2 was copy paste season 1).
I even started a little game with season 3. While watching the show I keep guessing "this scene was written by a woman" "this time it was a guy" "wasn't this too real" "are they trying to do a social commentary here" "this is definitely just for the spicy drama, no way she would say that". It's fun.

And yes, I agree with you about the online voices. That's why I only use dramabeans.
I remember while watching The Red Sleeve people would comment on scenes where the ML literally abused/did something horrible to the FL that she deserved it. They said that she should let him do wtv he wanted with her. It was so disturbing and gross that I had to turn off the timed comments (and I never turn off the time comments on Viki, no matter what).

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Thank you for sharing this perspective. I completely agree that things can get very ugly for him if the commentators were too straightforward about him. It didn't strike me at all and that is why I wanted to hear other perspectives.

Agree about Ha Jeong. I find it funny that people are interpreting her actions as manipulative when they miss GH's.

I really love your idea for game. When the next 2 episodes come out, I am going to play that game too. Should make it interesting. I actually found season 2 better, I think it's mainly because some of the guys this season are just there hanging out doing nothing. So all we see is GH and his hijinks 🙃

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That's true! You're right. I think half of the cast is just there...

It's interesting that even when three couples went to Paradise, most of the episodes were about Inferno. It's like those six participants did nothing.
There's only two/three guys that have "something" actually going on with them. The girls are active, but they're all focusing on the same guys.

Still this is more dynamic that Heart Signal where it's literally every single guy focused on one woman.

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I hope this doesn’t come off offending you guys, but I think my sister and J have a little different take on HJ. Watching this season we think that while HJ commenting on GH’s behaviors can be seen as constructive and straight-forward, it wasn’t entirely that as she just told him certain things (like a good friend would) that sounded like constructive feedback. It’s true what she told him was true, but he ended up apologizing and that’s not how friendship works. You can deliver constructive feedback without making them feel guilty or shame because if that leads to shame that isnt constructive. We were sure she has had GH in her eyes from the very beginning. She is a very competitive woman, and there is little to no doubts that she wants him. There are some reasons that show, to me and my sister, that her “love/like” isn’t a real deal.

First, she is the one who started GH-dissing convo between the girls, making sure that the two other female participants know he isn’t the one to keep (and isn’t it ironic that she has always had an eye for him?). That put suspicion in Hye-seon (which is a good thing because he really isn’t the one to keep). It ends up isolating GH. People who love us don’t do that to people they love. If it happens in school, it’s called gaslighting, manipulating, and isolating the targeted student. The student then has no other friends but them. It’ll become a codependent relationship, with the instigator a narcissist and the targeted student a codependent. And this is probably why we never thought GH would ever be interested in her, as he is another who shows the same traits as hers.

Next, she uses every chance she gets to flirt with him with the hot and cold strategy. If she really thinks he is that bad, why interested in him when he is now dissed by other female contestants?

We found her character to be equally manipulative as GH but in different ways. We couldn’t understand why commentators said aww she was cute and sincere when she told GH what he did wrong. It’s a very naive take. We feel being straightforward and honest is a good thing, but in this case it wasnt really. What she did seems like a straight-forward move, but it is just the use of facts to manipulate him, showing him how honest she is as a friend who seems to have his best interests at heart even others left him (note that she is the one who began the whole GH-dissing convo). While she leaves those who are not interested in GH alone and treat them well enough, we felt there was a lack of sincerity when she perused her relationship with GH (and we liked the fact that she left Mingyu alone as he is also better off without her).

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I understand some people can see it that way. But not me.

They're not friends, they barely know each other, and they're in a dating competition show.
She was offended by his actions (just like the other girls) and she told him that. And I think that if you do something wrong you have to apologize.
It wasn't about something that he did to X person, it was something that he did to her.

1. Actually the first girl to mention what Gwan Hee said to her, in the tent, was Hye Seon. I rewatched that scene like twice because it made me laugh (it reminds me of high school lol).

And I don't see anything wrong with the conversation the girls had. He kept saying different things to all of them and he kept saying really messed up stuff too. So I don't think what they did was about"dissing" him. It was like a fact check situation in which all the girls talked about the red flags he has been waving since day 1.

Ha Jeong is definitely more of the type that says everything that's on her mind, and she also has like a leader aura and has spent a lot of time with him, so she talked a lot during the discussion and she kept making the connections between everything the other girls said.

Also, she was angry, so she did said some things that she regrets (like what she said when they were eating), but that's why in this week episodes she apologized to him.

2. I don't think the conversation in the tent was supposed to mean much. It's true that the girls were on fire and talked about Gwan Hee (and other boys too) but that didn't mean they hated him or something. It didn't mean that their feelings for him change either.

It's like real life. Most of the women I hear talk about how "trashy men are" are heterosexual women with boyfriends. And I know lots of women that talk only negative things about their boyfriends and they still decide to not break up with them. Kdramas are the same. Girls are always falling for the tsundere guy, the bad boy, the Gu Joon Pyo.
I wasn't expecting her to completely change (even if I wanted to). She has been keeping track of everything he has said and done, and she still has been playing his game, all this time. I knew she wasn't going to change, she just thought he crossed the line (and he did).

So for me that conversation didn't mean much. All the girls were saying the same anyway, and just a few comments weren't going to change the whole show (even if that's what I wanted 😆).
I don't think anyone in the show would be that easily manipulated either.
And if Ha Jeong really had the intention to separate the girls from him, she would have kept trying. But she didn't.
Even when she confessed her feelings to him, she still knew that she wasn't going to be one of the girls he was going to ask to go to Paradise.
She knows it is Hye Seon or the new girl, but she didn't go and say anything weird to them.

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I agree that we have different takes on HJ. 🙂 And it’s ok with me. In real life, I’d stay far away from people like her as much as possible. I think all the other girls are quite green flags to varying degrees (based on what they showed so far in the show), and the other men are also green flags except GH. I’ll keep Ha-bin at bay as he is the one I can’t put finger on how he is really like as a person.

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LOL my reply it was too long.

Summary: I guess people can interprete her actions that way, but for me everything she says makes sense. Sorry for the long comment.

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I've been trying to process my feelings for the last two days which have been a mixture of everything regarding LSK's demise. Until now, when I chanced upon his funeral video and finally broke down. Seeing the very distraught Jeon hye jin, his small kids and his industry peers tearing up for an unfair loss of a young life. Say what you may on what happened and why, at the end of the day it was all in his private life with people affected again in his private life but he suffered publically for the interest of various people. This loss is going to be hard to overcome. Rest in peace Ajusshi.

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This should not have happened. There is no way to accept this.
This is just wrong.
I hope his family can just leave and go live somewhere peacefully. Having recently read that the cops may have leaked his note makes me rage. How can someone not care for the children involved?
How can these kids grow up here?
Shame on you SK.. shame on you..

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There is no way to justify what happened here.

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The collective outpouring of grief from his peers is telling about LSK as a person. But seeing Jeon Hye-jin and the two young kids at the funeral really break my heart.

Only if he were as street-smart as GD to assemble the right legal mind and advice. Only if he had the right person supporting him from the get go….

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Seriously. How I wish he had used more experts in dealing with this. He had the money. I don’t know if he was nice or naive in sitting through a 19 hour interrogation. So many if only’s.
My heart broke for the family. Seeing JHJ and the kids was so hard.

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According to some experts, he was likely to have been in a spiral of shame, helplessness and guilt. It would not have been easy to make a rational decision. I hope his agent and management didn’t abandon him as they should have provided competent the professional support (PR, media, etc) and tried to get him psychological support. I know the latter might not have been easy.

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I think he didn't. From whatever I've read, he loaned the money to pay the blackmailer and had so many fines to pay to the advertisers. He definitely wasn't penniless, neither is his wife but it does seem like he was in debt and this may have been one of the causes of his eventual demise.

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I guess one mistake and your life can spiral out of control.
We will never know what really happened.
I just want the family to not go through any more pain than what they already have been subjected to.

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MBC reported yesterday that even though the drug allegations had no objective evidence, the police used LSK's blackmail claim against him. Apparently the female Manager who was charged with drug use at the club used drugs at her house with him. The police searched a year's worth of CCTV footage to find LSK went to her house 4 times. There was still no proof that he used drugs. Instead, it is alleged that he confessed to having an affair which was part of the basis for the blackmail demands. Other news sites have strongly concluded that he was never a criminal but a victim throughout this entire investigation.

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Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Vultures, all these people who prayed on him. They are vultures. I’m so mad. Rest In Peace, you gentle soul. Rest in peace.

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The more developments I'm getting to know now, the more angrier I am. Couldn't they have done all this when he was alive? Seems like the police only acted on the madam's claim not on hard evidence.

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Hi

not much Library jokes bc long holidays and was only at work yesterday.
printer eats paper though

during christmas my parents and my aunt caught covid, dad in Tallinn and mom in Viljandi and I was nursing everyone. from the stress I got spasms yesterday and went to ER for a checkup. Of course, the wirst thing I see walking in there is a guy who had cut off his finger and it was with him in a bottle of ice.
then we resuscitated an elderly lady while the doctors arrived with a stretcher she had been given a number but she started slipping off from the chair and had a heart attack

my family is ok, mom just had dripping nose. My cramps were from irritable bowel so now I cant eat anything except eggs, buckwheat, banana, and tofu for a week. Nothing raw, no fruit, no cabbage, mushrooms or beans, no milk products Im ok with that I like those.

but my aunt wont take medicine since she´d have to lift her hands from the keyboard. we are feeding her in the friggin mouth cause the b*** be lazy

oh, there is one thing from library. I was organizing files on my external disks and accidentally dropped around 10 000 garden photos in Common Files on our server and everyone was like "why are we getting flowers today?" and then in jammed but I cleaned it up

the winter in small town was gorgeous, check eddiesmoments Instagram, I have some pictures there

didnt manage to watch much because my phone had no charger and I saved battery only just now I watched My Demon but the good side is I dont have to be tormented waiting, it is Friday

Taemin solo concert restream on sunday night.
4am on Weverse

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Congrats on your resucitation

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I’m building up the courage to click play on My Mister one more time.
One of my all time favorites. A masterpiece.
This time it’s going to hit so different.

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I dont have the courage to do so. Once in a while I would pick up an episode and watch random scenes, and it would always fill me with warmth, lift my mood and make me feel better.
Now, it's just pain. Just thinking about it makes me hurt.

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A beanie said some years ago that the construct of a great drama is something that can be de-compartmented as a series of images or feelings that will stay forever with you. My Ajusshi is one such masterpiece that any photo of any scene from it would bring up a particular feeling - be it brotherly love, cold reality of life, or little warm gesture. It is indeed the best drama of all times.

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It's even better than I remember which I didn't think was possible.

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You guys are brave souls, I couldn't even last an ost right now. But I'm sure the show would be so much more impactful now.

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It's a way to process my grief. I'm crying my way through it.

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I'm slowly watching My Mister. I've always been curious about it because it's supposedly a good show but after the actor's death, I don't know if the show would be taken down or something.

I'm just not into melodrama so it's slow going for me. So far, I've only seen 4 episodes.

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@britney the first time I watched My Mister, it took me an entire month to get past the first 3 episodes. I found it incredibly boring and I didn’t get the reviews or the incredibly high IMDB score. I kept on and before I knew it- I was enthralled by the show and I finally understood and agreed that this show is a masterpiece.
The greatest compliment I gave Call it Love early this year was that it has My Mister vibes.

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Definitely give it more episodes. I don't think the show is for everyone (maybe I do in the sense that everyone should watch it but there are definitely beanies who didn't like it as much), however, the show's initial episodes are confusing, bleak, and slow. But in the greater scheme of things, it was a very good intro to this show. Very different in tone from what it actually is which is eventually a healing slice of life drama.

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Also would recommend watching it on Viki instead of Netflix. They have better subs and they also sub the wonderful and poignant lyrics in the osts.

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There is no way to justify what happened recently in South Korea. This is not a drama, and yet people there seemed and seem to be unable to distinguish reality from dramas. They hounded an ordinary guy who happened to be a talented actor who was renown globally like they had no better things to do in life except making judgments on how other public figures, in this case how he should live and should be punished, and invading the person’s personal life and space without a single once of compassion.

The world has seen through SK what it is really like. For whatever and whoever that played a part in the happening of this situation, I’m disgusted.

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what happenes when education concentrates on knowledge and facts not humanity.
thats why my Korean teacher says he would never go back there.

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To think about everything he and his family had gone through, I wonder if anyone who’s left wants to go back.

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I hope you will not be offended by my comment but It is important not to condemn an entire country in such a situation. This is reductive and while might be comforting to you, it disregards the complexity of the situation. There are no doubt many people in SK who are distressed by this tragedy and are aghast.

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Thank you. Yeah, I also think you’re right. There are good people also there, as there are everywhere else in the world. I think what I wanted to say is some aspect of their culture/ society are so problematic they are toxic and should be addressed as such instead of being tolerated.

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I hear you. I understand your concern and share it.

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I am disgusted too. Whomever says, oh but it’s not a cultural issue, needs to check themselves. South Korea has draconian drug laws and draconian tabloid culture that’s probably only rivaled by British tabs. I cannot but help say that citizens of SK who elected this conservative government and who perpetuate these extreme shame-based and idol-worship attitudes are not blameless in his demise. Yes, they are. Like Americans changed attitudes from nineties and early naughts public shaming of famous people to a general public shrug, I have hope that SK can change too.

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In the US 100,000 people a year die from party drugs use. Mathew Perry? Killed by the same Ketamine that got Lee Sun-kyun into trouble.

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US population is 330mil. SK population is 51mil. Mathew Perry was not interrogated for 19 hours by a police and had a full support of public and his agency and friends to seek drug addiction treatment.

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And if I’m not mistaken, all three tests for him came out negative.

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Last OT of 2023, how the time flies! Need to check whether I've already marked one year on DB or there's still a few days left... anyway, I believe I did well *pats herself on head* Thanks to everyone for putting up with me and my excessive wording for so long. Let us all have a better 2024)))

In other news, what a terrible morning we had here... Wonder if the next year will be different and my biggest New Year's wish finally comes true. Winter and upcoming festivities always put me in a somber, self-reflective mood, especially lately. To distract myself from that decided to give my cats their regular meds. I suppose only losing a moderate amount of time and blood in process can be counted as a win...

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You did do well *pats head*!! We didn't have to put up with you -it's a joy having you here!! 💜

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Thanks. Same)))

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This story is shocking and dreadfully sad.

I do wonder what part the contract penalties and being dropped from current and future projects had played a part. How much support did he get from his agency? It should be their role to protect the actors, not just milk as much revenue out of them as possible.

I noticed that with other 'scandals' before, the actor is dropped before any truth is established. A stark case was the Ji-soo scandal. All his parts in his last drama were re-filmed with another actor very quickly and he parted with his agency. It turned out months later that the most serious accusation was made up by somebody who did not even know Ji-soo in person, but by then he was already finished. That for me is the real scandal.

I really hope that there is no actor who wants to step in to replace him in the TV series No Way Out he was fired from so swiftly.

I am also uncomfortable with the hypocrisy regarding drugs when I see how dramas celebrate drinking alcohol. Almost every recent drama is showing alcohol abuse and the ability to drink as much alcohol as possible as strength. Double standards?

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Well, SK *HAS a drinking culture. They deem it as the acceptable vice vs everything else for whatever reason. People are forced to drink when in social situations. People are praised for being "good" drinkers. Criminals can use being drunk as a defense. Drinking is seen as a bonding activity.

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Alcohol is used in celebrations almost everywhere, it certainly helps in 'bonding', but drinking so much that you don't remember what you did, being unable to walk etc goes far beyond bonding. What I see in dramas is what I tried to teach my kids to avoid for their own safety and well being.

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Yes. It’s been shown far too many times in dramas females drinking to the point where they are unconscious is acceptable and provides male leads or SML the opportunity to take her home as some kind of showing gentlemanly protection. Isn’t it better to just instill the idea that women should just take care of themselves while drinking and to know how much to drink. Drinking to the point that they are unconscious is just plain dangerous, to say the least.

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The best idea is that other people being helpless is no reason to assault them.
But the idea that social interaction moving beyond respectful nods - (ever, kind of) - demands someone to be wildly intoxicated, so that they can step out from their very, very formal shell is harmful, too.

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Yes I was surprised as was the interviewer when Psy joked about drinking during the height of the Gangnam Style wave.

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The news of Lee Sun-kyun's death hit very hard on Wednesday morning when I logged in on DB. It fueled me with anger at the law and the people, and the executioners and interpreters of this laws.

One of the reason we have law is not only for justice for the victims; we have the law so that those who stand accused do not undercompensate or overcompensate for their wrongs. In a case where the person standing accused is on an offense against oneself and not against humanity, the latter is of the utmost essence. The law failed Lee Sun-kyun in this regard. They failed to protect him. Leaking investigative information or letting lies circulate is a surefire way to kill someone even before the person stands before the court of law. They sacrificed this man, and it hurt.

I really don't know what to say anymore nor do I want to say much either. But dang! I freaking hate the court of public opinion. The way the citizens turn their heads and spew venoms and vitriol on their actors makes one question all the fan service they've been showering on the said actors.

And to those who cried and moped about how they are so sad they saw his films and want to under everything...how they feel so dirty and can't bring themselves to watch anything he's in anymore...I guess they won't actually in reality - moving forward, - have to watch him in anything anymore. They most certainly made sure of that.

I know he isn't the first nor will he be the last. But I hope this culture against their celebrities can come to an end or at least get minimal.

The fact that he was hounded in this manner on drug allegations that are unfounded leaves me befuddled.

I'm surely not a fan of suicide. Some actors and politicians have survived scandals of this manner in the past and risen back. I wished he had sat this one out. But for him to think about suicide as his way out... I can only imagine what unfair conditions he has been made to live in the past few months. The system failed this man. The citizens nailed him to death. And the system failed to protect him from the citizens for whatever agenda or front they wanted to give off.

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Something that's interesting to me is people's annoyance with kids/teens acting/not acting their age in media.

With Welcome To Sam Dal-Ri, people are irked by how mature the kid seems to be and yet given her environment, it's fitting. I think she's grown up in the city and she's around grown women who are drinking and talking about life and their problems in front and around her. She's also a product of the social media era so she's exposed to more things.

Meanwhile when Twinkling Watermelon was airing, people complained that the teens were too immature, selfish, impulsive, fall in love too quickly, etc. Even if they were 18/19, they were still teens in high school who were trying to enjoy themselves before being thrust into adult responsibilities. On the other side was Eun Gyeol who was forced to be more mature as soon as he was able to communicate with people because of how he but particularly his parents would be treated if he wasn't the perfect model student or son. One of the things I remember seeing most was "he should've just communicated with his parents". Even adults have issues communicating with each other so why do people feel it would be so easy for a kid, who spent his entire life trying to be as unproblsmatic as possible, to share his feelings of being burdened or overwhelmed? Again, from what I understand, kids/teens often keep things to themselves vs talking to their parents.

In the U.S., there's a show called ICarly and it features a kid (I have no idea how old she is) but people got annoyed at her acting like a kid. I guess maybe her interests were considered immature or maybe the way she engaged with the adults like short answers or being easily embarrassed and annoyed. I don't know exactly cause I didn't watch it, I just saw something about it.

In the same vein, there was an entertainer named JoJo Siwa and I think she became famous when she was a kid and again, people criticized her for being too childish with her style, interests, and way of communicating.

And then on the flip side, people treat kids as adults or as if they are supposed to be mature and/or responsible as soon as they learn those words.

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There are a lot of takeaways from the tragedy this week. One is to remember to extend support and grace to those going through a hard time - even if they caused the trouble themselves. There's not a lot of information about LSK's family background. But clearly he was going through something that propelled him into clubs and affairs and drugs despite having a wife and kids and a great career. We see his blessings, but not his inner turmoil. I naively thought that someone who had the balls to play with fire would have the balls to deal with the fallout. But it may have been his quiet desperation and a silent cry for help which drove him to take such immense risks. Maybe he was having an epic midlife crisis. If you've been watching My Little Old Boy, a lot of the news this week would remind you of the real life events that the characters on the show have gone through. The decade long PTSD that the actor who lost his baby brother is now seeing a counselor for. The debt in millions that a former music producer is finally paying off this year. They both have experienced untimely passing of a family member. The former, a beloved sibling. And for the latter, a father who abandoned his family and then passed away too early. We all worry about LSK's surviving sons who have to live with this heavy, unbearable burden for the rest of their lives. They may also struggle with suicidal thoughts, as well. Why a healthy man with a family is now dead is a tragedy that will haunt all of us in some form. It's not just losing a father, but also the feeling of being abandoned by friends, family, and acquaintances at a critical time. That will hurt as well. When the news of his drug use first came out, I was highly critical and judgemental of him. I thought he was being extremely two-faced by cultivating a family-friendly good guy image and then doing shady things in clubs at night. But then it ended up in this tragic situation and I have to ask myself how we could have prevented this from happening. And the sad truth is that it was preventable. Even LSK himself, I believe that somewhere he may be regretting it. Maybe some personalities are better at handling stress and criticism than others, that is true. But at the end of the day, even if we find blame with his actions, our main concern should be with his children and it should have guided our words and actions better as the general public. We could have saved their appa. We could have saved an entire universe if we knew.

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But clearly he was going through something that propelled him into clubs and affairs and drugs….

The Korean Constitution states that “The accused are presumed innocent until a judgment of guilt has been pronounced.” From what I’ve read so far, there has been no conclusive evidence that LSK had had affairs or used drugs (other than the time he said the hostess had given him an illegal substance and told him it was a sedative in order to blackmail him). All of his drug tests came back negative. He even asked to take a lie detector test, but it was never administered.

The rumor mill is a pernicious beast.

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My thing is it doesn't matter whether he did or not. It was his private life. It affected no one but him (and his wife). It didn't affect his work and if he wasn't thrown under the bus, maybe things wouldn't have even been revealed. No one know his private life.

And now people continue to call him disgusting and say he's being saintified cause he died.

Nothing ever changes. People still judge and criticize and justify their opinions.

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Does anyone know why Hulu/Disney+ don't have all their Korean dramas available in every region? Is it licensing? I would love to watch Love All Play.

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Have you searched it as "Going to you at a speed of 493 km"?

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In my country Disney has its kdramas in Star+

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Beanies de mi corazón, annyeong!

I just wanted to say thank you for letting me share another year in kdramaland with all of you.

Thank you for making dramabeans one of my safe places. Thank you for always being so wonderful. Thank you for being my found family.

I hope your year in dramabeans helped make 2023 a little better for you. Because all of you made 2023 a little better for me. And I hope I didn't make anyone uncomfortable with my dumb comments. I hope I made some of you smile this year.

Let's have a great 2024, beanies. 💚
I send you a million hugs.

With love, tabong.

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I am glad you came back to K drama and Beanie land I missed your perspective in the comments when you were in offline mode. I look forward to chatting with you again in the comments of the good and bad dramas of 2024😊

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I feel the same. 🥰 Let's have great chats next year too!

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You too, tabong!

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Thank you! ☺️✨

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Thank you for also being a reason as to why this community is such a safe, warm and comforting space ❤️ I'm so glad to hear this is a safe space for you and that it made your 2023 a little better - your comments always make me smile, laugh, go 'oooh 💡' or all of the above, even if we don't share the same opinions on a drama!!

Here's to a better and brighter 2024 - sending you back a million hugs also 💕 💕 💕

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Aww. 🥺 Thank you!
Yes! And for a year full of fun dramas and discussions about them. 🥰✨

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Happy new year, Tabong! You were the first one to welcome me here and so I hope we have a nice 2024 geeking and gushing over K-Dramas together!

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Happy new year, 9TailedVixen! ✨
Can't wait to see what kdramaland has waiting for us! ☺️

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I just saw Anyone But You (the American film) and it hit me that Darren Barnet is the quintessential second male lead. He always seems to be in a love triangle and always loses out. I wonder what's keeping him in these roles?

Also, I started watching Flower of Evil and it's fun as a psychologist to try to figure out what's going on with the male lead. I'm pretty sure that if he came to my office I would suspect that PTSD better accounts for his symptoms and behaviors than anti-social personality disorder. I think it's going to be like that Netflix show The End of the ****ing World where he's just really emotionally shut down and numb because of unresolved trauma. Also, I started watching this because people keep comparing a webcomic I love to it, but I actually think the two are quite different so far. Although it is interesting that two Korean people independently came up with this story idea (woman finds out that the husband she loves is hiding a huge secret that involves murders and a father who was likely a serial killer.)

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Oooh FoE is solid, although slightly makjang - looking forward to hearing your thoughts as you continue your watch!

And omg yes Darren Barnet keeps getting typecast as the 'hot but dumb' guy and is almost always in a love triangle with the 'nerdy' guy - though I think they finally gave his character a bit more dimension in the last season of Never Have I Ever which was interesting!

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I have two episodes of Like Flowers In Sand and two of My Man Is Cupid teed up, and I think I'm going to watch all four in a row but alternating between shows so I can see Jang Dong-yoon body-swapping with himself. Sylph vs. ssireum can't be any more confusing than the 'plot' of Cupid already is.

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LOL at that conclusion! 😆

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😂 😂 😂

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NOTES FROM 9TAILEDVIXEN'S BOTCHED HOLIDAY SEASON:

1. Ended up having to work for the 3 days in between Boxing Day and this weekend... half of one of those days was taken up by taking the furball to the vet where we spent half a day waiting for our turn followed by me chasing him around the house attempting to give him meds. *Sigh*

And of course, he took revenge by waking insomniac me up at 6am after I'd finally fallen asleep at 3am.

2. My K-Beauty skincare routine has hit couple of bumps:

a) Turns out that I can no longer use my long-time favourite Olay Whipped 7-in-1 Moisturiser with anything else in my skincare arsenal now - layering it on top of my toner, essence, snail mucin, and serum make my skin tingle and smart a little. GAWDDAMMIT! So no more Olay Whipped Moisturiser for me (the night-time version works fine though) and I'm on the hunt for an alternative day moisturiser that will play well with everything else in my routine.

b) Koelf Bulgarian Rose Hydrogel Eye Masks is now a huge no-no for me too. I put it on and it BURNS followed by tiny bumps which I then have to fix with barrier repair stuff. Gonna give it to a friend to try out - it might work better with her skin type.

Speaking of barrier repair - SOME BY MI is having major year-end sales now so I'm trying their Beta-Panthenol skin barrier repair toner. Oh my frickin' gawd - it doesn't leave my skin feeling tight and dry unlike the COSRX Propolis toner... and it has started closing my pores! Another win from SOME BY MI!

3. I have been trying to catch up with all the K-Dramas but alas - interruptions of the furball kind and work kind have intruded.

I have consoled myself by eating artisanal ice cream that one of my friends dropped off as a holiday treat while watching whatever I can that doesn't tax my brain too much (Ms. Wireless Charger and Mr Pokemon do the job nicely!). I think I'm just tired due to work so my attention span is shot. I'll catch up with some more over this long holiday weekend.

4. I have officially been called a Black Rose by my friends.

I guess I am since I have been sharing their music videos and captioning them with "WOOSUNG OPPA!" *Face Turns Red*

And this video isn't helping hahahahahahhaha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3QP1irhxG4

5. On a related note - how on earth does Woosung and JungKook have a speaking voice that's nothing special but the moment they open their mouths to sing it's magic?

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9TAILEDVIXEM COMMENT #2 FROM THE HOLIDAY TRENCHES:

I wanted to post a list of feminist K-Dramas that I watched this year which I really loved (or at least thought was interesting) on my fan wall but sadly, I was only allowed 200 characters for any fan wall post so I am sharing my list here (@db-staff - I'm new to Dramabeans and have seen other Beanies post lengthy fan wall posts so am I correct that newbies don't get to post long posts until they've reached a certain level?)

Here's my list so far - I'll be adding to it in the coming year as I continue to watch K-Dramas:

1. Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung>/b>

The is the show that properly sucked me down the K-Drama Rabbit Hole (TM). I loved seeing Historian Goo and her female colleagues do battle against the patriarchy, the internalised misogyny of the court ladies, and the Machiavellian politics and cultural traditions that cut off Korean women from work in the public sphere. I also really liked seeing the male characters like the two princes and the senior historians support her as she pushed boundaries.

What's interesting is that as a couple, Historian Goo and her prince have a role reversal of sorts with him being a lovely Cinnamon Roll who looks after her in so many ways that women traditionally looked after men like making sure she had enough to eat even while she was enduring punishment. Of course, this is fiction and Sageuk to boot... but it's a great example of how dramas can address such issues well.

2. Extraordinary Attorney Woo

I know there have been debates regarding the representation of autism and autistic people in this series but it gets a thumbs-up from me with regards to its lovely portrayal of supportive female friendships, supportive female colleagues in the workplace, and the powerful portrayal of a woman who is marginalised in at least two ways (by her gender and her neurodivergence). The court cases in the drama also touched on various issues the affect women (including domestic violence) adroitly.

Also - it's great seeing her romance with Joon-Ho blossom and to watch them navigate social censure (Korea, like many Asian countries, is not kind to neurodivergent people) and finding ways to make their relationship comfortable for both of them.

3. Tomorrow

I absolutely LOVED this criminally-underrated drama because it unapologetically tackled issues related to violence against women.
These include:

a) Rape, rape culture, victim-blaming, and slut shaming both in the present day and in history.
b) The atrocity of World War II Comfort Women
c) Sexism and misogyny
d) The ripple effects of violence against women on the families, friends, and communities around the victims.

And they have done it with equal parts fiery justice against the men who abuse and the women and girls who aid and abet them... and more importantly, with compassion for the victims and survivors.

I also...

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Don’t despair! There’s no level-up needed for lengthy fan wall posts, but only a “hack” of sorts. Please refer to @attiton ‘s exhaustive guide, which can be found here:
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/attiton/activity/1452362/

Comments in the normal comments section are omitted, too, if they become too long. I’m not too sure about the exact character limit, but it seems to have happened with your post here, too. You can only get around that by posting replies to yourself containing the rest of the text.

Good luck! 😃 I enjoy your posts and agree on all three shows you mentioned, while it’s funny I just started watching ROOKIE HISTORIAN only yesterday 🥳

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@sonai See the continuation of my list below. :)

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Continued from above (and hopefully the html tags work better here):

4. Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok-Joo

When it comes to coming-of-age stories, we rarely see those with a FL (usually we get MLs instead). This K-Drama gem proves that such stories about girls and young women are every bit as engaging as that of those about boys and young men.

What makes this a standout feminist K-Drama is that it addresses so many of the issues that face young women and girls including the cringe as we deal with first love and crushes, eating disorders, gendered expectations by society for young women etc. And it does it so well with heart and humour.

Plus the ML is a great example of an excellent boyfriend who supports the FL's achievements in a sport usually deemed as masculine, who works on communicating clearly with the FL about their relationship, and is not emotionally constipated.

5. You Are My Spring

This isn't overtly feminist but it does have feminist themes including the focus on strong female friendships in parallel with the main Romance, addressing the issue of son preference in families, and an FL who doesn't tolerate nonsense from the ML.

6. Sell Your Haunted House

I love, love, LOVE that the FL is the boss here from start to finish and that her supernatural talents are matrilineal. It's interesting to see how she is much stronger physically - even though she's tiny - than many of the male characters. In fact, strong enough to go toe-to-toe with rampaging spirit-possessed people. It's also interesting that her real estate agency is run by women while the psychics they hire are all men.

7. Strong Woman Do Bong Soon

And finally - one of my all-time favourites with the ML inheriting super strength from the matrilineal line. It's hilarious seeing how the ML and 2ML both want to protect her but really, she can protect herself and the man who wins her heart is the one who accepts early on that she's stronger than him and always will be. Bonus points also for the drama's excellent handling of issues including son preference, gendered expectations of women, and how internalised misogyny is so strong that even a family of women with superhero powers struggle with it.

And that's my list (for now).

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Thanks for sharing these. Hope you also added The matchmakers to your list this year.

Looking forward to seeing you apply the shared wisdom from the various techies on the site to post to your hearts content on your fan wall.

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I only posted about dramas I have watched and since I haven't watched THE MATCHMAKERS yet, it didn't make it to this year's list.

I'm going to read through the list of hacks and try to apply them to my fan wall.

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I love Tomorrow!

It was such a good drama.

In these sad times, I would have wished that Crisis Management Team existed.

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@Kurama I think TOMORROW is the only K-Drama that has made me cry so far.

It's ultimately a drama about consequences, redemption, compassion, and acknowledging the humanity of people (especially women and girls) who have suffered horrifically at the hands of other people (especially the patriarchy).

I saw the comments section on the recaps of the show and was surprised to see so much grousing and criticism of it. Maybe it isn't the type of drama most people would like - it certainly makes for uncomfortably viewing for one's conscience - but it is one that courageously takes on many taboo subjects and does it very well.

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I think a lot of people were expecting more in the healing part. But the team was there to put out the fire. The rest was the responsability of the person, to see a psy for example.

I cried so much during this show.

The worst for me was the episode 6. The whole process was so beautiful. The hal-abeoji was so cute too.

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Thank you very much for sharing your list! I also enjoy stories of strong women and when tv shows tackle patriarchy.

To add to your list, if you want to check these dramas out:
- Anna (director's cut of 8 episodes)
- Birthcare center
- Queenmaker
- Because this is my first life

Korean movies:
- Kim Ji Young born 1982
- Gyeong ah’s daughter
- Samjin Company English Class

And Chinese dramas:
- Faithful
- The rational life

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Ah! I totally forgot about BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST LIFE.

That goes on the list as well.

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Thanks for sharing these films I will check out the last two as I have not seen them. I agree with The rational life and maybe would add Sunshine by my side but brace yourself for the most annoying ex husband who has the cheek to unfairly criticise his ex wife for the very things he has done and continues to do😡

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Thank you for your recommendation! :)

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As Kdrama fans are still reeling from the shock of Lee Sun-Kyun's suicide, then came the criticism of those who attended his funeral, now the negativity toward's Lee Je-Hoon's awards speech...all of this is just so sad.

And on another topic: streaming services.....

ADS: 2024 will bring increased advertisements to streaming services. Kudos to VIKI for not adding advertisements to their platform! We already $pay$ for streaming services, so advertisements should not be incorporated. And the fee for having no advertisements is ridiculously high.
ACCESS: as the global demand for international entertainment expands, I'm hoping that "restricted in your area" goes away! If I have to watch the ads, then take away the area restrictions--here's looking at you Amazon Prime! If I have to pay for shows and watch the #$%@* ads, then include my access to more shows.

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LJH was very brave. Now I’m liking him more because I didn’t use to. It reminds me of when BB Kim Seon-ho was cancelled, Moon Se-young award acceptance speech included his name even on the KBS’s stage if I’m not mistaken.

It’s so funny that there is this negativity towards LJH’s speech. Will they ever learn that they are acting like bullies? When I say they I mean those who do. If the whole society does, then it’s the whole society.

It’ normal for people to think and stand for what they think is right until the very end, but to take it so extreme like this.. le sigh.

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Wishing one and all in DB A Very Happy New Year. Looking forward to more good dramas that we all can share our views from all over the world. Thank you for 2023.

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