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Captivating the King: Episodes 7-10

Captivating the King gave us a whopping four episodes this week, with tons of development packed in. Secrets are bared, confessions are made, and lives are put on the line. But the problem with manipulating people like game pieces is that emotions are bound to get in the way — and playing with people’s emotions is bound to produce unexpected results.

 
EPISODES 7-10

When Lee In catches Myung-ha embracing Mong-woo, Myung-ha blames it on a surge of emotions after reuniting with his cousins, and Mong-woo corroborates. Lee In can tell the two are protecting each other, but accepts their explanations. Having killed Mong-woo once and regretted it every day since, he’s determined to protect him (well, her) this time around.

The anniversary of the previous king’s death is approaching, which means Lee In is about to embark on his yearly pilgrimage to pay his respects. There’s much debate over how many people it’s appropriate to bring, and to everyone’s surprise, Lee In allows his young nephew PRINCE MOON-SUNG (Choi Ye-chan) to join him. Most people assume Lee In wanted an excuse for Mong-woo to tag along. In truth, Prince Moon-sung wanted to come, Mong-woo encouraged him to ask, and Lee In agreed.

Captivating the King: Episodes 7-10

When Mong-woo and Prince Moon-sung arrive at the encampment, they wander around watching soldiers spar, unaware that Hyun-bo — having recently learned that Mong-woo is the Baduk Gambler from three years ago — has hired someone to “make sure Mong-woo never plays baduk again.” Thus, Mong-woo gets “accidentally” pushed into the sparring circle. Thanks to prior training from Dal-ha, she holds her own at first. But Hyun-bo’s man overpowers her, clearly going for the kill.

Lee In intervenes. Fighting one-handed (because he’s cool like that), he wins the match and scolds the whole group — they’re supposed to protect their comrades, not harm them in the name of training! Only then does he realize Mong-woo is bleeding (the fight reopened her old back wound), and he calls the royal physician to tend to her in his private quarters. Mong-woo, of course, refuses treatment lest her womanhood be discovered.

After completing the memorial rites, Lee In asks his brother to watch over him as he attempts to free himself from the past and face the future. As if in answer, a gentle rain begins to fall. It’s a mongwoo, which members of the court have come to recognize as a trigger for Lee In’s sudden violent outbursts, especially this time of year. Today, however, it compels Lee In to seek out the human Mong-woo. They share an emotionally supercharged moment in the rain, wherein Lee In admits he likes Mong-woo and she can’t muster a response. When Mong-woo wins their ongoing baduk game (earning a wish, which she postpones using for now) she says it’s because Lee In let his guard down.

She’s right, in more ways than one. A maid overheard his confession, and soon the whole kingdom is gossiping about the king having a preference for men (one in particular). The lords petition for Mong-woo’s dismissal in hopes of dispelling the rumors, but Lee In refuses. The rumor also inconveniences COURT LADY DONG (Park Ye-young), who served the previous king and notoriously enjoys Lee In’s favor and trust. It has been generally presumed that Court Lady Dong is the reason Lee In hasn’t consummated with the queen or any of his concubines, but now it’s becoming clear that he hasn’t done anything with her, either. Nor does he plan to. But with the royal reputation at risk, the queen dowager appoints a night for Lee In to bed Court Lady Dong, whether he likes it or not.

Captivating the King: Episodes 7-10

Regarding the rumor itself, Lee In is largely unbothered. He makes a bet with Mong-woo that if someone mocked him for it to his face, he’d laugh right along with them. So off they go, accompanied by his faithful bodyguard JOO SANG-HWA (Kang Hong-seok) and a host of undercover guards, in search of someone to laugh at him so he can laugh with them and win the bet. They wander the marketplace all afternoon, but to Lee In’s annoyance, no one they meet says anything about his sexual preferences. Eventually, he shouts at Sang-hwa to go fetch the rumor so he won’t lose by default.

He and Mong-woo banter while they wait, and quite suddenly Lee In remarks, “You know, if you were a woman, I totally would have married you.” That stuns both of them, so much that when two women stroll by laughing about the rumor, Lee In is too caught up in his emotions to laugh. Suddenly, he’s not sure the rumor is groundless after all.

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The appointed night arrives. Mong-woo slips away from the guard Lee In assigned to her and meets up with Myung-ha. He declares that he’s cut off his feelings for her (I’m not so sure, but okay). Now it’s her turn to sever her feelings for Lee In. Mong-woo knows he’s right, but it’s easier said than done, and she drinks herself silly and staggers off to sleep under a tree.

Lee In, meanwhile, hears that Mong-woo has disappeared. Though he initially tries to obey orders and have his night with Court Lady Dong, he can’t bring himself to actually do the deed. Instead, he goes searching for Mong-woo. When he finds her, he piggybacks her to the nearest safe lodging — her father’s old house, now unoccupied.

In the bedroom, Lee In can’t leave well enough alone. After all, who could sleep comfortably in a gat and outer garments? Mong-woo wakes up just as he’s untying her robe, and the way she frantically clutches her clothes to her chest reveals the truth to him at last: she’s a woman. Enraged, he reminds her that he swore she would die the second he found any deceit in her. So Mong-woo calls in her wish, but not to ask for a pardon. Instead, she kisses him. After warring with himself, Lee In kisses her back.

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While making love to her, Lee In muses that he finally understands why sending her to what he believed to be her death felt like cutting off his own arm. He promises not to ask about her identity or why she hides it — the love they share is enough for him. After he leaves the next morning, he invents a reason to have her placed on house arrest for her own safety.

Meanwhile, Lord Park sets his next big scheme in motion. He corners Lee In into a deal: Hyun-bo will attempt to guide a Qing envoy to the palace within three days. If Hyun-bo fails, he and Lord Park will be punished severely. If he succeeds, Lee In must permanently dismiss and exile Mong-woo. Unfortunately, the envoy’s interpreter is in Lord Park’s pocket, and Hyun-bo easily delivers the envoy inside the three-day window. Lord Park wastes no time having Mong-woo arrested and marched away.

But at the welcome feast Lee In throws for the envoy, things take a different turn (mostly by Lee In’s design). This man, it turns out, is on friendly terms with Lee In from Lee In’s time in captivity. Unimpressed by the entertainment, he asks to play baduk against Lee In’s famous gidaeryeong. Lord Park protests, but even he can’t afford to make Lee In look bad in front of such an important guest. Mong-woo is summoned, and the envoy proposes a bet of his own: if he wins the game, he decides Mong-woo’s fate; if Mong-woo wins, Lord Park decides.

There’s no ideal outcome here for Mong-woo, as the envoy will likely carry her back to Qing if he wins. But through what she insists is a stroke of luck, she manages to force a tie — something the envoy has never seen in a lifetime of playing baduk. Since there’s technically no winner, Mong-woo is released.

That’s one crisis averted, but the envoy carries a distressing letter from Prince Rui. He wants to marry Lee In’s niece, PRINCESS JANG-RYEONG (Ahn Se-eun), and refusal would mean war. Princess Jang-ryeong begs Lee In not to let them take her, but he doesn’t have much of a choice. As he tells Mong-woo in private, he’d once thought the throne would empower him to protect the people he cares about; instead, the responsibility to do what’s best for Joseon prevents him from putting his feelings — and his loved ones — first.

So Mong-woo takes matters into her own hands. Another former captive to Qing, BOON-YOUNG (Kim Bo-yoon), already acts as Mong-woo’s spy in the palace, so Mong-woo asks her to switch places with Princess Jang-ryeong. Theoretically, this kills two birds with one stone: 1) Princess Jang-ryeong doesn’t have to separate from her brother and be married off to a foreign prince, and 2) Mong-woo and her allies can plant a spy in Prince Rui’s inner circle and hopefully bring more captives home. Of course, for the plan to work, they need both Princess Jang-ryeong and Prince Moon-sung in on it. Both are terrified (they’re just kids, after all!), but they agree once Mong-woo assures them it’s for the sake of Joseon and not her own gain.

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The queen dowager and Lord Park, however, aren’t blind to the possibility of a princess swap and take extra precautions to prevent it. Princess Jang-ryeong’s attendants are switched out without notice (by chance, Boon-young is allowed to stay). Then the envoy’s interpreter pays a surprise visit to deliver the bridal garments and meet Princess Jang-ryeong ahead of time (Boon-young switches outfits with her just in time).

Lee In, knowing nothing of Mong-woo’s plan, says an emotional farewell to Princess Jang-ryeong that echoes what his brother said to him before his own exile. Once the goodbyes are over, Princess Jang-ryeong helps Boon-young don the bridal garments, and the procession comes to take her away. But as soon as they depart, a court lady realizes one maid is missing and catches a glimpse of Princess Jang-ryeong running away. The court lady alerts Lord Park, who intercepts the bridal procession with the excuse that he neglected his farewell greetings. Despite Boon-young’s best efforts to keep up the ruse, her veil comes off, and Lord Park grins in triumph. He heads straight back to the palace to confront Lee In, and Mong-woo immediately realizes that the plan has gone awry. It’s time to tell Lee In what she’s done.

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First things first, he knows! And these two continue to deliver off-the-charts intensity whenever they’re together. I’m so glad Lee In hasn’t gone completely off the deep end (yet), and I feel for him trying to do what he believes is right for everyone while having to accept that his power to actually do that is extremely limited.

While I don’t think Mong-woo is quite as good of a strategist outside of baduk as she thinks she is, I do appreciate her internal struggle. It’s not unlike Lee In’s, really — no matter how much she still cares for him, she’s bound by what she considers her duty to the people to remove him from the throne. Which is why she tells herself things like “he’s only pretending to like me,” and that their night together was a one-time thing that she’s already “forgotten.” But, as her maid pointed out, feelings aren’t baduk stones; you can’t just arrange them however you like.

On that note, the princess swap definitely wasn’t an example of Mong-woo’s best work. But the prince and princess certainly sold me on their courage and love for each other, and I liked that Prince Moon-sung felt guilty for deceiving Lee In about it. Well-intentioned or not, Mong-woo is playing with people’s emotions and lives, and it’s bound to end badly if she keeps it up. But I’m hoping that she’ll learn from this failure, and that she and Lee In will find a way to work together to save Princess Jang-ryeong and Boon-young from suffering the consequences of Mong-woo’s actions.

And while I’m making wishes, I hope that whatever happens to our leads, Prince Moon-sung makes it out unscathed. One of my favorite relationships in the whole show is his adorable friendship with the queen, and at every turn he’s shown wisdom and bravery way beyond his years. I think he’d make an excellent king eventually — I just hope that, if that’s what we’re building toward, he gets to ascend the throne under vastly different circumstances than Lee In did.

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Jo Jeongseok is really killing it in this drama. Watching him acting, I just suddenly forget there is the drama plot to consider. He is like Lee Sungmin in Reborn Rich. So mesmerizing. Everyone should feel and do their job/craft in such passion and fervor once in their life time.

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Whhoaa... JJS continues to be amazing. That last scene on ep8, he managed to bring up his hotness level. Then the surprise of additional 2 episodes this weekend. This show knows where exactly to leave the cliffhanger. JJS is the star of the show for me and nothing anyone else on the show would do can change my opinion.

I do think that the King plans to hand over the throne to GP Mun Seong one day. He is a placeholder securing the throne for his nephew as he wait for him to come of age. At the same time probably getting rid of their enemies one at a time to make it safe for the young boy to ascend the throne later on.
As for the FL, her quest to dethrone him is in line with his plan. I dont think it matters how he ends up abdicating as long as his nephew takes over. I can't take the FL's meddling seriously since she does not have the power or clout to dethrone the King. I just think of her as another pawn the King uses to achieve his end goal.

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Jo Jung-seok set fire to my screen with the seductive hotness he oozed during the episode 8 scene ending.

Gosh! This man is a good kisser.

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is this your 1st drama of his?
he kisses in almost all of his dramas and he is good

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Nope. I first watched him in Hospital Playlist. He did have a kiss scene there but this... the burning passion he exhuded at the ending scenes of episode 8 shoots itself straight to the tops of my favorite and best kdrama kisses. I might have found my kiss of the year for the beanie roundup.

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I mean. The chemistry is off the chart. This is the most romantic k-drama I've seen in years, and I wish they had more of these hot, angsty scenes (and less of politics and revenges.) I'm glad SSK plays off off him in a subtle understated way. Her character is immensely attracted to him, but very inexperienced, and she's got the memo, and played her role to a T. And oooohh, Jo Jung-suk! He comes across as the ultimate hero, sexy, smart, self-aware and someone who isn't afraid to make hard but right choices. I wish, I wish we dedicated more time to him and his relationships with other people, instead of this whole "princess swap" drag.

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The chemistry between the ML and FL is wow!

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Now that my last week's suspicion that the king hasn't slept with any of his wives has been confirmed (my theory is still that he deliberately doesn't want to father a possible heir to the throne), I'm curious what the consequences of the night with Mong-woo will be. What are the chances that she is pregnant?

You can tell that Mong-woo didn't grow up in the snake pit palace and is still incredibly naive about some things. The plan was unbelievably stupid and doomed to failure from the start. But perhaps it will teach her that decisions always have consequences and that you have to take responsibility.

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I'm assuming the chances of her being pregnant are high - because they're going to need to up the ante to end her being a permanent male baduk player in the palace. If she was going to take this initiative on her own (via her plan to take revenge on the king), she would be dead within half an hour for her lamentable lack of insight; with a pregnancy, the king is invested in keeping her alive. Although that makes the succession all kinds of a mess...

Has to be said, I started ep9 muttering, "Are you sure you want to do that???" Did the ultra-strategic king lose sight of his endgame in the passion of the moment, or is this a subtle, well-concealed move of brilliance?

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Plus two for pregnancy. It’ll definitely mix up the game.

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I also bet that she is pregnant.

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That is what I was yelling at the screen, what if you get pregnant, lol

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Ditto; +5 for pregnancy.

And that can only mean one thing for beanies...tis time to start an illegal betting pool here!

Voting for pregnancy for the following reasons:
(i) peak audacity for writer-nim to pursue this narrative trajectory for the absolute bombshell and shit-stirring miry pit of a hot mess our characters will fall into. LOVE it
(ii) I wanna see how they will use their strategizing to think 10 steps ahead of the opponents who want them ensnared and cornered and "flip the game/stone" so to speak
(iii) huge spanner in the works since this will majorly screw up the succession order and bump his royal seed up ahead of prince mun-soong, his nephew
(iv) curveball to out the gidaeryeong as *gasp* female!
(v) ambivalence in the Dowager/Principal Director's camp: they get the royal seed (hurrah!) from someone they are trying to get rid of (boo!) how will they make Machiavellian lemonade from this unexpected lemon?
Stay tuned

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+6
Is this a first in all sageuk's thus far? I haven't seen them all but, still, plenty enough and it was kind of a gutsy surprising move from that perspective.

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I have never gambled...can I place a bet for all of the reasons?

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🤣🤣🤣 a betting pool is just a highly unscientific straw poll amongst rabid Beanie pundits to find out where everyone stacks in their pet conspiracy theories of how the narrative will progress from henceforth

We don't have any virtual baduk tables or stones to bet on either LOL

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Brilliant! I so want 5 - I can just imagine the Dowager coming up with the craziest of bonkers schemes to make this a "win" for her.

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My other narrative wish-list:

(a) After the brilliant thematic and narrative exposition of "saving a cornered stone", I would now like to see how the disastrous princess-switcheroo will be brilliantly saved by the narrative equivalent of a "jangsaeng" board move -- where a victor cannot be determined because of an impasse/tie.

Again, time is a critical factor here. It is a stalemate that allows a reprieve, a ceasefire, a grace period.

If I were to extrapolate from the precedent of the board move, where Mongwoo escapes the fate of being brought back to Qing as a prized tribute for the King who loves Baduk, and also avoids the punishment of exile by the Principal Director -- I can surmise that if the writer plays their cards right, the princess can also avoid both fates like Mongwoo (she won't be married to Qing as a royal tribute nor punished for treason/deceit of the court). How? I have no idea. and that is why I am still watching the show lol

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GUYS. Our King not an idiot. He reminded gently to his Mother Queen that to make a baby, a man needs to "sow the seeds in the field" for it to happen, effectively shutting up the queen and her persistent "no-baby" terror of the poor queen and concubines. At least, we know he knows to pull out. Granted this is not an effective method of contraception. So who knows.

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Wouldn't it be more shameful to spill the royal seed than to just not start? They said he hadn't "consummated", so I doubt he's done more than sleep beside his queen.

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I chose to think he merely warned the Dowager Queen, that EVEN if he consummates his marriage, it doesn't MEAN the seeds are sowed in the field.

Of course, I don't know if pulling-out was actually a "shameful" act of a King in Joseon era. I'm curious to know if anyone with more knowledge of sexual norms in Joseon area can elucidate these things for us.

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How can I wait until next week to learn what will happen with the princess's issue? That is the kind of being glued to my seat that I was hoping for from the show. I don't know if you share the same thoughts but I am glad principal director caught on. Fl seemed to be having her way each time that it got annoying to me especially given she isn't a likable character to me. Waiting for the confrontation with the king once he learns what she did.

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Honestly, between the writing and the acting, it's impossible for me to like Hee-Soo/Mong-woo.

She's a genius at playing baduk but why she can't think in the real life? It seems easy to play with stones but people?

She started a revenge game with Chu Dal-Ha and Myung-Ha that she can't control anymore. Chu Dal-Ha wants to kill the King? So why Yoo Hyun-Bo is still alive when he was the one who caused Hong-Jang's death?

The plan for the Princess? It was completely stupid. I understand the fear of the Princess but as a Princess, it's her duty. If the deception have been discovered by the Qinq what would have happened to Joseon? To the people over there? How is it fair for the maid to be the one leaving?

JJS is killing it in this role. He's so charismatic and mesmerizing!

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That was a brilliantly stupid plan.

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Exactly, i still don't understand why anyone besides Myung ha would want to take revenge on Lee In. The person behind Hong Jang's death is Yoon hyun bo and myung ha's dad. Hee soo's dad was stopped by Lee In from going to Qing. Where he stands in all this is that he could prevent Hong jang's death and the punishment of other innocent people but he didn't.

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Yeah, and Myung-Ha's dad wanted to accuse Lee In but the idea of Hong-Jang was Yoon-Hyun's one. He wanted to take revenge about the Mong-Woo who protected Hong-Jang against him. It was 2 in 1 for him. He's not an important Minister, so they wanted to kill someone, he was the perfect choice. He was guilty and nobody would have cared for him...

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He promised to save her as a prince and didn't when he returned as king. She suspects that he killed his brother and 2ML father to take the throne and that he planed the whole thing from the start with the Ming spying operation that led to her father being sent to Qing as a criminal. But that's just my interpretation of it, not sure if it's acurate.

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He couldn't save her offficially, because she was a part of the plan against him.

We don't what she thinks but her revenge was clear it was about Hong-Jang and not the throne. I don't think she thinks he's responsible for her father because her father was the one behind it and told her.

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You are right but I was trying to rationalize her reasons on why she would want to dethrone him. She doesn't know what we know. We know why he couldn't save her but she feels that he should have because he promised her and once he got what she thinks he wanted (the throne and power) he didn't use that power and dispose them. She might also think that it was all his plan from the beginning by having the spy to be exposed to help him get support from the qings and that her father had to surrender and take the fall. The exposure of the spy was what started everything. How did he manage to escape is another loose thread of the show, in my oppinion.

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@kodra, that "spy" , by the way, being her father's swordsman sent on difficult errands and the man who trained her in sword fighting in the three years undercover. I re-watched some of the earlier episodes again for the references.

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I cannot recall his name in the show so I call him the spy guy. Yes, he has many skills but he got caught, tortured, had one eye removed but they did not show how he escaped knowing that the FL father is still there. They showed many scenes with what the ML did in those three years thus far, but none with the FL and her people.

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@kodra, yes, absolutely I noticed that too. they showed a lot about what happened for the King in these three years, just hints to what happened to her. That is intentional I believe. It feels as if with that Master Chom (probably a friend of her father's who took her in) and the "spy guy" their two back stories of the last three years will be put back together. And that's when I think her father might re-emerge in some way into the story, being alive. Also agree with @kurama in her comment here.

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10 episodes in and I'm still wishing that they should have cast a different FL... No offense, I think she is a wonderful person and was brilliant in some of her dramas but she doesn't match JJS's screen presence.

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Yeah, I agree somewhat. However, she does portray a less experienced and less worldly character than he does. Her credit to suffering was the near death experience and betrayal (to her eyes) by him. Before that she was mainly a well protected daughter of the main government official with a righteous do-good second persona. His experiences on suffering and ambivalences are octaves higher. So for me also the actors match their characters in their presence in life (the fictional life of the Injo period portrayed here, that is).

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Same. I can't get behind Hee Soo's recenge plan. Hyun Bo is the one at fault for Hong Jang's death. Lee In couldnt be held fully responsible for it. Hee Soo is not as smart as she thinks she is if she can't even figure that out.
I wonder why they are still keeping Hyun Bo alive. Unless there is a big plan to give him a horrible ending. Chu Dal Ha should know better since he worked closely with Hee Soo's father.

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@jillian, @bomibeans:
totally with ya in this camp
(cue: let's huddle in a corner and grill Korean beef BBQ)

Having said that, I thought the writer has written FL consistently in her lack of emotional self-awareness which in part, precipitates this frustratingly bewildered and tangled web of motives driving her vendetta.

She may be a baduk genius on the board, but off the board she cannot read her greatest opponent and Achilles heel -- herself.

Prooftexts:
Episode 2: after her first match with Lee-In, she told Hongjang that her heart was racing, her cheeks are flushed and she felt feverish. But she clocked it as shock from the slashing incident (HJ rolled her eyes and diagnosed it as the first flush of being smitten by love)

Episode 8: roaring drunk and agonizing over her inability to sever her emotional ties to Lee-In, she felt her chest tighten in pain (tis heartache, gal) and clocked it as "indigestion from the rice cakes in the afternoon."

I mean, seriously. This girl is a low-EQ nerd 🤣

A running theme clearly laid out in the first 2 episodes is that of how "immersed players are oblivious to the play, while onlookers can see the game clearly." As it is on the Baduk board, so it is in the deadly game of love.

I am now waiting to see how both Lee-In and Mong-woo will fall into the seductive whirlpool of their churning emotions, and who can wrench them out of it.

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Agreed, I have a hard time with Hee-soo's motivations. I absolutely don't see how her "kindergarten plan" is going to work out, and more importantly, WHY it needs to work out. We, as viewers, have a hard time sympathizing with her revenge plan.

And when she was sitting there, cooking up her "swap" plan with little Prince and Princess, I was shocked, "Are you manipulating KIDS into your asinine dangerous plan??" *faceplam*

Honestly, if not for SSK's off-the-charts chemistry with the King and her convincing portrayal of the inner struggle, I'd have a hard time forgiving or liking her character.

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This « spy » storyline (swapping the princess out) although logically right for the time, done by her as mastermind does feel totally like child's play, as well intended her motives are. But is she (and that young girl going in as princess) a match for the famed Prince Rui ? (probably somewhat modelled on Dorgon ...)

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"Prince Rui" is a general title in peerage of Qing Dynasty. I'm not quite sure if they were considered evenly matched, as I am totally not expert on these things. But I'm thinking if Prince Rui extended the proposal to Princess, then they must have been evenly matched, no? And yeah, that "princess swap" thing came out of nowhere, plot-wise. Apart from placing a spy in Qing's court, there was no need for that to ever happen.

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Ah, I see. I was thinking that named Prince Rui is the same character with whom the King had his dealings when he was captive in Shenyang. And somehow I cannot loose the feeling that his uncle had orchestrated that Princess marriage storyline, although this is nowhere said in the series.

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Yes, it is modeled afer Dorgon, he also was regent and allowed his nephew to rule. Also, he had a Joseon princess sent to marry him.

P.S. How have you been? I will find the time to answer on your post, did not forget about it. Life has been giving me very little time for my hobbies during this very busy season. Glad to see you back. 🥰

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In RL, the princess that was sent to Dorgon was not a real one, but adopted by King Hyojong and was given that title.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Uisun

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Oh wow, so this “princess-swap” thing was based on / might have been inspired by some historical events? I am so ignorant! I feel less mad at writer now for including this pointless scene into the plot, lol

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@bomibeans, if one analyses this fictional sageuk carefully I can see several historical elements of real personalities of the time woven into this story here. The TvN/Netflix release of a story using that historic time so close to the finish of the MBC production (with a large historic accuracy) makes comparisons almost automatic for me. The King in « Captivating the King » for example for me has clear traits of the real-life Prince So Hyeon, in the form of what could have happened to him if he would not have died/was murdered. The King's relationship with his deceased older half-brother, for me, is a clear adaptation of what happened between Injo and his son, So Hyeon (Injo being the older brother, in this analogy). Also the illness and sense of being persecution is what Injo would have been like in historic time, I feel.

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Another clear that is that darned Qing interpreter/envoy of Korean origin. He had a real life counterpart and was very famous. Also turns up in « My dearest » extensively with his sleaziness and corruptibility.

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Having 4 episodes was a real treat and there was so much to enjoy. The Qing envoy and his bet really drove up the tension - how could Mong-woo get out of this impossible situation, the king could not help her here.

But then, and it is a big but, came another idiotic plan from Mong-woo! Not only was it foolhardy and naïve, it put other people at risk, something Mong-woo is happy to do as she did before with Myung-ha. He should admire his head in the mirror as long as it still sits on his neck.

Her offers to the crown prince, the princess, the spy that they can say 'No' is a masterclass of manipulation, she can now wash her hands of their plight, she did not force them, it was their choice! Poor crown prince, I loved how he asked what Mong-woo is getting out of this plan, he should have followed his good instinct and not trusted his Baduk teacher.
Next step will be to rescue the spy which will be successful, because she has the money belt from her mother.

There was definitely a Coffee Prince moment when the king hugged his trusted guard to test whether he is attracted to men. It is interesting that the disguise was uncovered so soon and that the king and Mong-woo already spent a night together. This must have been necessary for the plot - a pregnancy perhaps?

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Episodes 7-8 was such an exquisite treat. Our king is utterly mesmerizing -- JJS possesses an aura and screen presence in this particular role that makes him a walking force field all by himself.

Alas, I can't say the same for episodes 9-10. I think my goodwill has *finally* been worn threadbare-thin by the incrementally grating irrationality of the FL (mind you, up to this point I have not uttered a single rant against her)

BUT THEN, the Princess-swop ruse happened. Yes, the stone that broke the baduk game /back.

The princess-swop ruse was mortifyingly ill-conceived and cretinous. I was aghast (maybe enraged is more apt), but shalt not waste precious column ink on a soapbox diatribe.

P.S. : and please, grow up princess. As a member of the Royal family whose lifestyle & privileges are sustained by the taxes of the common people, don't you understand your requisite duty to your nation?

Note the dramatic anti-juxtaposition to the flashback of when Grand Prince Jinhan was first taken hostage years ago. In a teary tight embrace, the King entreated the prince: "No matter what, survive at all costs - and return to me."

This is the heroic dignity, the tragic pathos of a sacrifice for the greater good. And the quietly fierce resolve to survive and claw his way back at all costs.

P.P.S. I say this as a girl who has voluntarily served in the military as a soldier (not because I enjoy it, but simply because I think it is the right thing to do for the love of God and country).

Take a leaf from your uncle's book, gal. Cowardice is in poor form, and puts a bad color on you.

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I totally agree. I always say princesses have never been soft and pampered individuals. They have usually had to be the tool used for alliances, traveling to other countries, basically alone to serve their countries. This was an ill conceived plan and not particularly well thought out. I understand she didn't want to go, but even if her brother had been King, she would have still had to go marry this man.

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"This is the heroic dignity, the tragic pathos of a sacrifice for the greater good. And the quietly fierce resolve to survive and claw his way back at all costs."

Yep, people conveniently forget that women have "noble" feelings too. Men around me appear constantly befuddled when I passionately describe the topics or participate in the activities they think they have a monopoly on, lol.

The Princess really gave no convincing explanation to turn down the future Qin's King offer (was it something about looking after her brother?) I kept wondering how can the Princess turn down a proposal like that in that day and age as accordant to her royal position. This was a bit "too modern" aspect of that whole situation.

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I know it sounds terrible but I truly wish they had picked someone else to play the FL. JJS is just fire and pairing him with someone with her level of acting chops is just not good. Most of the time she looks like she is contemplating what her plan would be. That poker face is constant. Whereas JJS can talk with his eyes! I love him so much. He is just brilliant!!

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This is a one man show and JJS os holding it very strongly despite the many shortcomings in the writing. Firstly, no other character is as compelling as his. There is weak characterisation on both good and bad sides. The only bearded men that brought real conflict to the show and were interesting, (Hee soo's dad and Myung ha's dad) were killed off very soon. The principal director is a confusing character. What does he need and what does the Queen Dowager need now? They both have power but aren't happy that they can't control the King. That's stupid because the king is on their side. Next, Hee so has no real plan. We don't even know her plan and it's already going awry. Also it may just be an intentional choice by the director but SSK really has no screen presence. I've always found her to be bland but here is the director wanted he would've had at least a stronger 2nd ML but he too is lacking thus, making JJS shine more than the rest, though he does so marvelously on his own as well. Also, the show's direction was very captivating in the first few episodes. What happened to that? They lost that touch after the previous King died.

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Hee-soo's father is most likely still alive. He will probably return to Joseon in one of the next episodes, so perhaps that will be the time when the king realises who Mong-woo really is.

The king seems to loathe his mother, the Dowager Queen, no doubt because he suspects that she is behind his brother's death. I love how he constantly thwarts her plans and more or less subtly rubs her nose in it.

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I too have a feeling that her father is still alive.

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Perhaps he is even the author of the mysterious letter that was handed over in the forest (unfortunately I don't know what it said due to the lack of subtitles) or it was about him.

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Oh, yeah, I meant to ask — anyone here who reads Classical Chinese ? There were a couple of moments with short letters shown, this was one important one. I also would have loved to understand what it said.

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@angelshadows50 Good catch! I'm so curious about that letter too! I wonder if Hee-soo's Dad is actually a spy in Qing's court now, doing some things behind the scenes, and all her efforts for a revenge turn out to be as brainless as a piece of wood, lol. Oh, Show, please don't do this.

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@ws50: Yes I do read traditional Chinese (but if tis written in some courtly jargon I may not be able to decipher its meaning even if I can read the characters!)
Which episode and timecode is this?

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Beanies,
The missive doesn't even need the enigma machine to encipher it - I regretfully report that I cannot read most of the darn memo cos the letters are so cursive! Just to be sure, I got my mom to have a go at it too.

After squinting at the screen for a few minutes, all we could make out was "This time, the envoy #@$!& (and the rest, is mystery 🤣🤣🤣)

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@joanna I didn’t realize we’d be deciphering ancient Chinese manuscripts here! 😂👍🌸 Dramabeans is awesome.

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@Joanna / Empressgirl, thank you and your mum so much for having a go ... , @bomibeans is right, this community is awesome when it comes to commitment to K-Drama ... Also, I wonder WHO comes up at the drama writing with these memos in sageuks? Is there a particular requirement for Korean scriptwriters to do this, a bit like if I, in a German historical fiction showing a 19th century story would show a piece of writing in Sütterlin .... ? At least it could be a less cursive, right ? Arghh ....

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While I don't know much about baduk, Lady Dong reminds me of another game of strategy, chess: A mere Pawn desperately using her limited set of moves to become a Queen before she is eliminated.

Seized from the Dowager Queen by the Previous King as punitive action, it's apparent she was abused by him while hated by the other factions. In her next move, forced to take part in the New King's deception, she held on to her position and fooled the court to survive. Threatened by a new play, she made a bold move to bed the king (tho her true distaste for him was clear) and was rebuffed. Nonetheless, she salvaged enough to advance one step closer to safety. Of course, we all know she is far from secure.

Moreover, the actress, Park Ye-young, shows how a character forced to constantly repress herself can still demonstrate a wide variety of emotions, from the smallest facial expressions, body movements, tone of voice, etc. It's been a small but notable performance.

As played by PYY, she's a fascinating character, and most probably a tragic one by the time the game is over. It'll be an interesting arc to follow.

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"Nonetheless, she salvaged enough to advance one step closer to safety."

I'm glad someone noticed it too. Normally, k-drama goes with "demented" unreasonable SFL till the very bitter end. I'm glad they showed her as a more nuanced character, someone who's privy to secrets, keeps them, plays each off everyone well to better her own precarious position. She's smart not to request the concubine status to attract less of the power struggle but content to get at least something (the house) in return. Her "tactical retreat" was very smart, and I'm curious what she's going to do next in that game of deadly power struggle.

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Ah, better said. It was indeed a tactical retreat. She knows strategy, thinks ahead to the consequences of her moves. She's a player, in the OG sense.

And yes to more interesting, complex 2FLs. Lady Dong, even the Queen to some extent, Soo-min... Oh, wait. Wrong drama. LOL. But you get my drift.

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A very cool analogy. However, unless she was lying, she herself has said that she's loved the King for a long time. I would say her primary emotion in that first night scene was triumph, not distaste.

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Yes, I can see the motive behind her decision to bed the king is open to interpretation. There was indeed satisfaction within her. But I think it was the moment in #8 when she gulps as he’s about to kiss her in bed, then closes her eyes and turns slightly away to lie lifeless below him, that made me think despite her declarations she does not love the man. It is more about what she gains from this relationship (and who can blame her given the precariousness of her position). But my interpretation of that moment could be wrong.

Tho it did also take me back to an interaction she had with the old king. When he asks her to suck his bloody finger, there was a moment of hesitation, the teeniest flash of repulsion before she did what was needed.

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Oh, I forgot to add, even earlier we'd been shown her most desperate plea was to be released from the king's service, not a request a woman in love might make. She knows as long as she's in the game, she's in danger, but he's given her no choice but to play.

Even her warning to SSK's character did not come off as romantic jealousy. Instead, it reminded me of her her competition with the king's guard earlier to demonstrate she is the closest to the source of power. That move too failed so I'm not confident of her fate.

But I would like to believe she does have loyalty or some affection for the king. It makes her a more interesting character.

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I think she does want to secure her position but she also craves recognition from the King himself. I think she has a love/hate relationship with him.

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Yes, her relationship with the late king seems to have been difficult, to put it mildly. She may be asexual, or traumatized. I believe she is devoted to Lee In, if not particularly attracted to him.

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Court Lady Dong has a complex and layered relationship with Lee-In, so much so that I rate it as possibly the one that intrigues me the most at this point (with Mong-woo coming a close second).

That tension-wrought scene where they tussled in close quarter, face to face, and he hissed at her through clenched teeth: "Do you not thinking I am also enduring through it all? Therefore, you must also endure it too." -- it just hit the ball out of the park.

(i) Agree with you on her devotion to Lee-In. A very loaded and telling remark she made in response to the 3rd degree from Principal Director when she demurred that: "Well, there are many types of affection..." (left unsaid: "ours just wasn't of the sexual type")

(ii) She alluded to the compassionate propensity of Lee-In to favor and care for those without wealth or power (subtext: she came under his wings and was grateful)

(iii) Digression here: but there are hints, and breadcrumbing of how Mong-woo might possibly be outed for being female:

In 3 separate occasions 3 different female characters clocked her either explicitly or covertly:--
(a) Lady Dong hurried to check out her competitor / rival the night Mongwoo was appointed as gidaeryeong and later in a jealous fit, requested to be given special access to the Baduk court.
(b) the first time Princess Jang-ryeong saw her, the camera frame fixated on her face as she gave Mongwoo the once-over (at least 3 times).
(c) The first time the Empress Dowager summoned Mongwoo to her, she loudly exclaimed that she didn't expect the gidaeryeong to be *this* fine-looking.

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@joanna That was an excellent scene! I often think the king is shown at his cruelest toward her, but then he reminds us fate has been cruel to him too.

I completely missed that line in her confrontation with the Principal Director in Ep 8. In that, the PD makes it clear her life is at risk now that everyone knows she's not sleeping with the king, and the threat then leads her to make her cascading series of moves.

I don't doubt she has some connection with the King, but I still feel her playing the game for her survival, which of course depends on his survival and her proximity to him. But we may be splitting hairs now. 😅

I also missed some of those hints at MW's outing, but not the Dowager Queen comment. I too thought, yup, and so it begins. Let's see how it unfolds. 🤞🏽

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@joanna "Do you not thinking I am also enduring through it all? Therefore, you must also endure it too." -- it just hit the ball out of the park.

Indeed, what a good scene! With this phrase, the Kind communicated so many things to her but, more importantly, when we talk honestly and are being vulnerable with people, we relinquish power and impart that power to that person by saying, YOU are deserving of my most vulnerable, most shameful, most insightful of my thoughts, and I trust you tread carefully around me and with more deference. With that phrase, he told her, YOU have a power to know my most inner thoughts and feelings, and I cannot imagine Lady Gong was not placated by having a power of not only being privy to his secret but also being privy to the King's thought process. Great scene, and - I'm being a broken record here - I wish MORE of such scenes and less of contrived situation to raise contrived stakes such as the "princess swap."

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@indyfan I completely agree. Park Ye-young is the only other actor in this series that's walking shoulder to shouler with JJS. She is supposed to have a poker face too, but her emotions jump off her face. Terrific performance. Goes to show some of these side character artists have so much more going for them than some leading actors would ever have.

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I don’t mind Shin Se-kyung. I know I’ve said it before, but she has a certain gravitas, of voice and demeanor that appeals to me. Is it her natural persona or acting, I don’t know. And when folks said earlier that her “reserved” acting was because of her repressed role (and the director) demanded it, I sort of got that too.

But in these recent episodes, I’m afraid I’m feeling more critical. And when you see the emotional heft an actor like PYY can bring with just a flash of expression, I’m afraid SSK’s constant glassy, doe-eyed look just pale in comparison.

Nor does it help that her character is weakly written (it’s not just her delivery) as compared to the king. And I will say nothing about her cross-dressing believability but hello, makeup department! Her lip gloss at her old house in #9 was so dark and thick, I wanted to reach in and wipe it off. 😂

So, yeah, I’m now thinking it could have been a better acted, written and styled character. JJS’ powerhouse of a king deserved that. But I still have some fondness of her, and I want to enjoy the show so I’m gonna try to ignore these weaknesses as much as I can.

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l loved the first two episodes, I think the reveal was done right. JJS was briliant during it, going through all kinds of emotions in such a short time. It's nothing this actor cannot do, I am also watching Jealousy Incarnate and I am just fascinated by him right now.
But the last two episodes were just the oposite for me. I am very forgiven with the dramas I like. Using repeated tropes doesn't bother me at all, I find that they are the charm of k-dramas. Unnecessary plots I accept with ease, they give me more time to watch my favorites. I try to understand the dificulties that stem from writing and producing a drama and I can find almost any excuse to defend it in my mind to go past it and continue to enjoy the show. As long as there still some quality attach to it, some resamblence of what made me love it in the first place. But this show droped the ball big time in episode 9 and continued to fall downhill in 10. The inexplicable and stupid excuse of him not wanting to know her true identity planted the first seeds of confusion for me. They continued to grow with the whole rescuing her from the uncle and bringing her to play baduk with the qing emisary with no reaction whatsoever from the uncle. The only piece that was worth remembering from all of that debacle is learning the fact that it is very rare to have a draw in baduk and when that happens it is a good sign. Might be useful in the future as they will continue to be against eachother in the game and in life. My seeds grew into a blooming tree when the idiotic switcharoo plot mess came into play. Not even I can continue to defend the FL anymore. Not only that it showed the complete opposite of what her character was supposed to be (a genius in her field)  but that she really doesn't have a real plan besides making him fall for her and use that somehow to hurt him because all that she has done so far is not from some actions that were preplaned by her but spin whatever new it's hapening at the moment. To use baduk as an analogy, there is no strategy in her placement of stones. It's all chaotic just like I would have played baduk the first time. And the execution and dialogue were just as bad as the plan itself. Hopefully he king will be able to stear this sinking ship uphill to more pleasant and enjoyable waters.

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“ The inexplicable and stupid excuse of him not wanting to know her true identity planted the first seeds of confusion for me.”

Yes. It felt out of character for a such a calculating, suspicious king. But, plot convenience so there can be some shocking reveal scene when he finds out later (unless he has some secret digging going on behind the scenes or we’re shown some other reason he suddenly believes ignorance is bliss).

I would like to have seen her lie. Perhaps assume the identity of an orphaned daughter of a minor country noble trying to make her way thru baduk. Such a calculating lie would have strengthened her character as well.

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Yes, I found it to be insulting our inteligence and trust with the worst cheap trick. And it came right after those beautiful scenes together. That's the coldest shower in the mornig after that I have ever taken 🤣. Unless he already knew and for some reason he didn't want her to...know that he knows kind of thing. Here I am, trying to find excuses, for it was so blatantly stupid and insulting, as if all of his cells responsible for his witts and inteligence vanished away with his others that night, that I must find something, anything to explain it.
I don't know if she would have lied even more at that point, she used her last wish and played her most valuable card too early, in my opinion, just to get out of that situation. I think that if she would have told him the truth she would have had more the upper hand in that relationship and his eventual blindness to her all plan would have been understood due to him trusting her from that point. I wished she would have told him right after he said all of that nonsense.

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I think, and I acknowledge this a personal preference, I wanted a smarter, more strategic, more morally complex female lead than we’ve been given. Games are always more fun when the sides are more evenly matched, no? I wished for more cat-and-mouse ga—oh, who am I kidding? I should go rewatch Hyena. 😂

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Oh yeah, I wanted all of that too. I was waiting patiently, hoping to eventually see it, but not anymore. That is way I am so pissed about it.
Loved Hyena, I might just rewatch it also.

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I mean that really got to me to be honest. It actually took the charm off their romance for me. He is suspicious of everything, and yet he somehow does not worry she was a woman he knew nothing about (in fact he does not know anything about the badul player at all itself was suspect, given the access she has at all times, but this was a bit too much).

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I thought it curious this mysterious baduk character wasn't investigated as I'd imagine anyone getting close to the king would be. And if not by the king, then many others. I don't know enough about actual history, but social class and blood lines have been so important in other sageuks at least. Tho given the turmoil of the times, she could easily fake an identity. But, well, drama logic applies here. We shall move on from our musings and enjoy the drama.

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It's logical that the king doesn't want to know who she is right now. He knows it's her most closely guarded secret, well, after being a woman. He knows she's probably from a noble family. He may be hoping for a magical and improbable future where he can learn her identity and they can be together, without horrible repercussions.

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I have no problem with it either. All that questioning and prying would have broken the sexy sinister "flow" they have between each other. Also, we should remember the King didn't insist on knowing her real name in episode 1 (or 2), so this is consistent with his character. He KNOWS she has secrets, and respects her wishes to keep her secrets private. Which is so amazing - our hero has courage to be vulnerable EVEN in the face of potential betrayal to accommodate her wishes. Siiiiigh.

But of course, the more the couple progresses beyond sexual attraction, he'd need to know her secrets because - as we all know - secrets are not good in romantic relationships. Having secrets often breaks trust, and sooner or later, that's going to catch up with both of them. I'm so curious about their relationship in later stages.

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I'm wondering if they're going to bring back in the fact that only someone who beats her in baduk can know her real name. I want to see the king beat her in a match and ask her name.

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She also said that she will marry the one that beat her at baduk, so I am waiting for that to happen. So far he has not won yet a match.

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So far, he is winning the more important political baduk out of their games together. Hopefully, the end shows him beating her in this revenge baduk that she planned to oust Li Han and place the Grand Prince on the throne which is where this is probably heading but with him abdicating to marry Hee Soo while still remain as the Grand Prince's/Future King's supporters and advisors.

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I don't dislike the Mong woo as much as the rest of the beanies do. She is using what she knows to get somewhere, unfortunately because she doesn't know much, she ends up getting into trouble often. They show she grew up relatively spoiled with a good heart, so that is all she has to work with. I think SSK is doing pretty well for the material she has been given.

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I am with you. Even though I thought the plan was stupid, I can understand Mong-woo and don't expect her to be perfect. She grew up very sheltered compared to the king, so she lacks political and strategic skills.

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Agree. Her hatred towards the king is coming from feeling betrayed and she wanted to dethrone the king because I think she assumed the king got it with treacherous way (murdered his brother and refused to restore all the wrongfully captives instead send them to be slaves eventhough they're only innocent civilians which making Hongjang died on the way). Nonetheless she still continuing to save captives from Qing. Her way is not as political and cunning like what Lee In does, which most of times looks cruel. Yet the king carries so much burden along with his grand scheme. His word etched deep within me when he said to Court Lady Dong that he also carry a big burden so she should endure. Hopefully he can carry out his plan because we knew he do it for love and coming from a good heart :')

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I don't think the problem is with SSK's acting or even director's intentions but with writing. Remember, Coffee Prince's Go Eun-chan was as much clueless, naïve and (even) cruel to our hero, but we loved her, because it was shown over and over again that she was learning and coming to her senses from time to time. In this series, there are just no high stakes for a revenge plan, and when that person's intention is to stab their lover in the back (a big no-no in this type of genre), there must be an extremely valid reason for a heroine to do that. I personally, really like the chemistry she displays with our hot sexy King, and her convincing portrayal of the inner struggle (love/attraction versus duty/revenge). But unfortunately, SSK has to work with what she's given, and so far she's given appealing but a bit empty package of a heroine.

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I don't dislike Mong Woo or find her difficult to understand, either. Her motivations are very black and white: the King betrayed her by putting power before friendship, which led to the death of her best friend after Mong woo had specifically begged the King for mercy on that front. The fact that he also lied to assume the throne makes his actions seem even more cruel and selfish from her perspective. And she's not wrong here: although we were shown that Lee In did have some regrets and tried to find a way to spare Mong woo, she doesn't know that. On the contrary, for most of their time together since they reunited he has seemed cold, calculating, and cruel in her presence. So I don't have any problem with her motivations.

Are her plans brilliant? No, but she's up against so many things she can't possibly anticipate or control that I find it hard to nitpick about this.

As for SSK, I've said before that I think she is a competent actress, but she has a very recognizable style; she's not the type of actor you would refer to as a chameleon. But that doesn't mean she can't act. She can certainly express emotion and does a lot with her eyes. However, she is very restrained and not overtly charismatic which I think can be a turn-off to viewers.

Finally, I wouldn't say the writing for her character is bad; Mong woo is just a guarded, cautious, and restrained person. However, either the writing, directing, or acting needed some refining in the love scene portions as I did struggle there to understand what Mong woo was feeling. Her cautious restraint read like passivity, and even though I ultimately understood that Mong woo is in love with the King and was surrendering to her feelings, based on what was actually conveyed in those scenes, one could just as easily say the whole thing was a strategic calculation to save her own life. In contrast, I had absolutely no trouble at all discerning the King's inner conflict and emotions.

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JJS....only reason I am still with the mess of this series. I was hooked till the end of 8th episode and then it all messed up in 9th and 10th.
FL has been terribly cast.
A night of passion that looked anything but (JJS tried his best and looked hot) but....
You can only do so much if your counterpart looks like a dead fish for most part.
The entire plot of the princess swap was so ridiculous that I started ffing it. It's not poorly written or directed, it just has some very lackluster performances. Even the evil Uncle is more annoying than evil. Though I do like the main villain. He reminds me of a snake.

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Y'all. I watched EP 8 until 2 am the other night. It was a miracle that I fell asleep after witnessing that very hot, emotional scene. The acting from both leads were great. One of the best scenes I've watched recently. 🔥

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🔥🔥🔥 - the only way to describe their bed / revelation / hand kissing scenes!!

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The preview for for episode 8 about CL Dong consummating with Lee In had my on my feet for the whole of episode 8.

I know hell hath no fury like a CL Dong left alone at her consummation bed - I'd be hella pissed too -, Hee-soo's evading the Special Arms eyes came in very handy and I was just looking, sitting on the edge and wishing that in a stroke of luck, he comes outside at just the right time and he asks what the problem and insisting that he be told.

Principal Director Park is funny by the way. So it was okay for him to humiliate the King but the converse is not allowed? It seemed as though he was ready to gloat at the King's helplessness in providing the request of the envoy and now he's screaming at the top of his lungs. I also thought it funny that he said despite his meritorious acts, he didn't ask for nor was he promoted to a higher government official role. But he sure controls the majority of the court officials of the King's court. So how exactly did he not reward for his meritorious acts. He assumed the role of most influential minister and he's here saying he didn't ask for a pin nor was he rewarded with one.

The fact that he's the King's Uncle was why Lee In let him fly. If they are both throwing out their familial ties now I guess we are expecting more and better unrestrained political games from them both.

For somebody who's angry that his nephew checkmated him, he was beaming with smiles and joy when he thought he was the one doing the checkmating.

To Hee-soo. At this point, I don't know how this revenge will play out so I'll choose to not worry my brain an instead see what she has planned.

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He is not willing to be under their control. And I'm sorry, even though he is her son, if she's unable to get him to approve her agendas he's as good as being her opposition.
Saguek politics of this nature(what you asked about) is way different from modern chaebol politics. I remember vividly the antagonist in Ruler : Owner of the Mask who killed his favorite granddaughter and successor to his organization when she deliberately made a decision that ruined his plans. So as to spare you the details, I'll just say that they had the same relationship drama. The only difference was that unlike Lee In who was both pushed to and had to take the throne to protect the throne, she made her grandfather appoint her as leader of the organization. Mind you, her father was still alive but she is the most competent person besides her grandfather. She then went on to do things that either favored or hurt the protagonist, both to her benefit of course. The one that cost her her life was she destroying that which gives her grandfather a leverage over the court and he killed her for it. Even though she was his favorite.
Bottomline... Lee In might be her son but he's definitely working against her and that's not what she signed up for when she did the do to ensure he became King.

Queen Dowager aside, talking about Queens. Once in a while kdrama gives us a Queen caught in a cross-fire. Her father is not Lee In's person. But it is crystal clear that she is not a chip of her father's block. Queens or wives caught in this family dilemma always have my uncontested sympathy. She's hanging onto her position by been a wallflower. And even though she tries her best, it seems like trouble comes her way whether or not she's making waves. Rather than being trampled despite choosing to be indifferent to the politics, I'd prefer if she plays her part in the politics, or at least in the internal court politics.
I see a woman who knows how to fight but has been sapped the will to do so because of the family she comes from. I'm guessing she becoming Queen was the reward given to her father for his support.

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Ah, interesting! Thanks for a historic context. I watch very few sageuks, and prefer fusion/comedy to serious fare. I am glad we are watching this one together.

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I almost never rewatch scenes. Sometimes a fight scene, to admire the choreography or clarify something. But I have re-watched the end of episode 8 and beginning of 9 several times. There was so much tenderness, wonderment and even joy in those scenes. Powerful unspoken confessions on both sides. Seizing and sharing the moment while knowing there was no future in it. It's not surprising they wept through their kisses. I am storing these scenes in my heart as a buffer for the angst undoubtedly to come.

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I re-watched the end of episode 8 and beginning of 9 multiple times too. They were perfect. They were an epitome of joy and sadness. Hot and tender. Full of unspoken promises and accusations. Full of forgiveness, for now. They were truly the high points of the whole drama for me. Both actors played it so well.

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Just watched ep 11-12, indeed moreeee angstttttt. The missunderstanding is ensured to become bigger its suffocating and I cannot help to wait for next episodes🫠. JJS's character is so amusing everyone around him has a difficult time to gaunging his stand, its not helping he deliberately leaves certain things in the dark. Altough very calculative, but I still believe the king loves his brother and his nation. He always keep his brother last words, hence he ascend to the throne to keep the peace, control the court, and securing his nephew to be future king. In this instant, it is contrary to what the queen dowager and his uncle wanted. The queen wants a biological crowned prince from his son to continue the reign and I think his uncle desires absolute control toward the king and court. In conclusion both has greed over power and status.

This drama will reaching its peak soon, hopefully the plot become more solid.

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Jo Jung-suk is beyond memorizing in this role. I can’t take my eyes off him when he is on screen. He is so good in this role that he is also carrying the FL who is quite weak.

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I'd chirp in also on the oozing tenderness and sexiness of end EP 08 and beginning EP 09 ... and they question baby or not and did they or not ? I for one find it also absolutely believable that they did not sleep together but spend a whole night of tenderness and realisations, mainly on his part, as the sequences-long bits in between telling the back narrative of his feelings and reactions indicate to me. He went through his mind of all the incidents where he did not realise she was a woman, how and why he reacted to Mong-woo's presumed death the way he did, and that in the incident with the Royal Physician she had lied to him. Hence afterwards his question : was any of it true what you have told me? Also, for the time, it seems to me that intimacy already meant to hold someone's hand. To open her undergarments in order to find out if she is a woman, ... much further I don't think so, at this point in time. He clearly cherishes her tenderly, as also the hand kissing scene later shows. So ... I would think no baby.

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No sowing a seed, as the King had put it himself, in another context. Laying together in Joseon-style undergarments, kissing passionately, looking deeply at each other lost in one's own realisations, is in my mind already enough to qualify as utterly captivating and intimate. - In that sense his comment that for now it is enough that they have loved each other for a long time, also makes complete sense to me. A person like him, just having discovered that he deceived himself by not realising for so long that the person he wanted WAS indeed a woman, and that she lied to him right from the start (for, from our vantage point understandable reasons), so for a « man among men » as her father qualified him, it must be a moment of « let's not find out more things » (if I have to order her to tell me), and just trust this one feeling I can guarantee is genuine: we love each other and have done so for a long time. Also, as was said before, freely she would only reveal her true identity to someone who would beat her at Go. (Baduk) He is clearly a passionate person, but has been betrayed by everyone close to him, his brother, the former King, his mother who uses him as a chess piece for her understanding of rightful royal lineage, that strange uncle of his whose true motives I do not understand (though I assume they cannot be good ones) ... and now she-he, his « left-hand man» who —for a raison d'etat— was sacrificed by him and whom he now wants to save desperately to probably atone for his behaviour when he ascended the throne. A convolute of betrayals ... so better not ask at the moment, just trust the one thing I am certain about : I love her, and she loves me.

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Also, one more thing coming to mind — and that's the last for today, as it is already 2 AM in the morning and I should really go to sleep .... as both «My Dearest» and «Sejak, the Captivating» are set in Injo's reign right around the Qing Invasion of 1640 and thereafter (one historic, one fictional) I also had another heart-wrenching love scene in front of my inner eye. Remember the scene when he tells her that he would just want to hug her, when she tells him indirectly that she was sexually abused by the Qing captors ... ? After that they spent the only night together and we learn essential information the morning after, and then they get separated for years again ... Apparently because of that scripting and emotional storytelling Namkoong Min took the role as male lead. — May I argue that in both sageuks there is actually a very modern-contemporary interpretation about how a woman in seen by a man of that period? The reality would have been so utterly different, and more along the lines of what that fictional brother-character does to his sister in «Captivating the King». A Joseon woman dragged to Qing was defiled and got ousted on return. That is one of the most tragic stories of Korean history to my knowledge.

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*sorry Second Qing invasion of 1637, not 1640

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I don't know, I still believe that people like that existed even in those times. Very few, of course. And I say this for two reasons. One would be the fact that it was a debate about allowing or not to divorce those women. Some argued to be allowed to divorce them, others wanted to be able to keep them in the family. In the end, Injo decided to let them do what they wanted so I believe that at least few were able to maintain their status and dignity. The other reason is my experience living under a comunist dictatorsip. Even though we had to pretend and followed the rules out in the open, a lot of people that I knew did not agree and were helpful to each other behind the doors.

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Yes, good character / virtuous, decent behaviour will have and has existed at all times. So one can argue that «Captivating the King» is showing this. Also this king in my eyes is a highly virtuous man, however trapped in a Machiavellian storyline analog to «The Prince».

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@mistyisles: Lest I forget, thank you for the recaps - must have been hard on you doing 4 whooping eps at one go over LNY!

p.s. sorry, we all got so flabbergasted and derailed by the princess-swop train wreck, I think we just forgot our manners 😅

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Aw, thank you too! And no worries, passionate discussion of the show's twists and turns (trainwrecks included) is exactly what we're here for. 😉

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I've also been noticing and liking the background instrumental music.
It heightens the tension or subtly adds to the scene.

I like the OST songs fine, but I'm glad they're used sparingly.

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Episode 7-8 is my most favorite along with 4-6. The acting, chemistry, tension, music, and score is top notch. JJS continues to be excellent and i like SSK interpretation of Mong Woo / Hee Soo's dilemma. Which makes princess swap story is...lacking(?) I thought the idea was there, but seems like the execution didn't meet viewer expectations (?). I think Mong woo and friends have solid reason for revenge, but the writer (or director?) didnt pan it out on why and how they will do it. Legit didnt know why Chu dalha lost his eye if not for someone mentioning about him getting tortured. That being said, I wonder if there are equivalent of speed chess in baduk, and Mong woo is better at it, because Mong woo seems to be excellent when the problem(s) needs quick resolve, like the those last wish kiss and the game with the envoy. Also Mong woo in warrior robe is >>>

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