Yes, but I thought you were predicting HI getting it twice.. HW getting it will be on-brand I agree, as both of them will get the ‘fall in love again’ and ‘Newlywed’ moments again. But I would have preferred kickass and self-aware HI going back into ‘MY HUSBAND’ mode, even if she was doing it without the memories (After all, as HW said, he would remember them for her)
The one up side is that everyone from both families will be on board with them getting together, and we might possibly get some family- or secretary- contrived meet cutes
@panshel @mazarin is right, we were talking about HI and didn’t think that HW might get the “amnesia” treatment also, LOL. But that goes hand in hand to the conversation they had in Germany when she said that she will be the angel to help him out. Or something like that, I don’t remember clearly.
Everything has been done to the extreme but now it’s given to us at superfast speed so we don’t think about the many impossible flaws this scenario has at the end.
I know it won’t be the My Dearest Lee Jang-hyun treatment, but it would still be two amnesias in one drama. (But it’s all moot now that I’ve finished the final episode.)
I will probably watch the final episode- but at the moment I am vacillating about watching it, because I am scared that it will just be more train wreck.
@mazarin
Ep. 16 was better than the last few ones, specially the second half. It tied pretty good most of the loose endings. I think you should watch it if you survived this long. All of the actors did a fabulous job.
@mazarin
I didn’t say it was good, I said that it was better 😏 And that was not one of the loose ends that got tied. But some others got mentioned, like the miscarriage, a few scenes were added (but still not enough). The evil mother-son got closure, I am OK with how that went. It did have a few potholes, it did maintain the same note, of course, but less of it than in previous episodes. I don’t want to spoil it to much for you.
I felt the middle part got better but it started to fall apart after episode 10. There so many things that made you wonder how or why the writer-nim chose to go with them because it defied logic.
Seemed that this writer-nim wanted really hard to outdo MD writer.
Watch episode 10, its epic. Watch all the epilogues, they are done well. (They won’t have quite the same effect if you haven’t watched the relevant bit in the episode, but they are still good)
This scene is so perfectly done. You could feel all of her emotions watching him sing for the first time, knowing the whole history and his ending. The look of the 2ML and the enjoyment of his friend on the stage. But mostly, the difference between SJ playing for the first time and later on when he is an experienced idol. Everything feels so natural as it should be, the acting and the editing is simply perfect. The song helps set the mood also and from what I hear it is sung by him. He would have been great as a singer idol also.
@kodra Please forgive me for cluttering your fan wall– I’ll be happy to delete this comment. But I wanted to respond to your comment on Blood-Free. First, let me say that I know a lot about this issue. Both sides of my family are farmers, my wife and and sister-in-law work in biotechnology in closely related fields, I taught environmental history for two decades, and I have published fairly extensively on agricultural history. Also, I eat meat, although I prefer to buy from farmers I know rather than generic mass produced meat, and I am a fan of technology and capitalism, IF restrained by reasonable regulation. (I realize this is where you and I differ politically) But just to be clear, I am not speaking based on any sort of radical politics. I am not anti-farmer, anti-capitalist, anti-technology.
I can tell you, in response to your comment. you are flat out wrong on many points. You are welcome to your opinions, but you simply know less than I do. I could send you citation after citation, but in the end, who cares? Because the main point you are wrong about is that this is somehow a pressing issue apart from this particular kdrama! We will not be eating the kind of cultured meat that this kdrama proposes in our lifetime. We could have the option of eating fake meat from say, peas, but that’s a vastly different proposition.
In any case, what is a pressing issue in U.S. agriculture, is the corporate consolidation of food production, which pushes independent farmers out of business, exploits immigrant workers in brutal conditions, especially slaughterhouses (how can you ignore the horrible work and health conditions in slaughterhouses!) and treats animals as mass produced widgets, with Confined Area Feeding Operations housing thousands of animals in unsanitary conditions, 18,000 cow dairy farms (!) and manure sewerage from thousands of pig farms flooding waterways. (There are so many environment issues apart from climate change that you totally ignore! )
This kind of massive scale (and that’s the point, the massive scale, not the capitalist agriculture or the technology) given non-human influenced biology, not only results in avian flu pandemics requiring the slaughter of millions of chickens! but has also resulted in avian flu being transferred to cows, but actually risks human consumer health. And that is a fact, not an opinion.
I am not sure why you wrought up about cultured meat, which again, I assure, will not happen on the scale this drama proposes, so you don’t have to worry about it. But if it was possible, then it would be beneficial in every way I suggested, because it would eliminate the bulk of the problems with massive scale, corporate dominated, industrial domestic animal slaughter. But that’s all I have to say about it. This is a kdrama site, after all!
Again, let me know if you want me to delete this comment–it isn’t relevant to QOT, so I apologize for that!
Please don’t delete your comment and thanks for your response. I beg that you will forgive me for writing you later, the weekends are very busy for me to write longer messages on top of seeing all the hot dramas I am watching right now. I will get back to you Monday or Tuesday with a response when time allows me to frame it better. It is an important subject for me so I welcome and enjoy the discussion.
Sorry for the late reply, RL and Kdrama took over my time. It will be a long one, so brace yourself.
Of course I don’t know as much as you do but all my comments are based on research papers also. The problem with research papers in the last years in science is that you will find anything that can support your claim. It’s just of matter if you chose to ignore the other side, much like with news today. Although I have not worked in bio-technology, I can read and make a judgement to the validity of a research paper. I would like to know where do you think I am wrong because I am really interested to know. About research papers and the hand some private companies have in it I will give you an example from my profession. Arestin is a local antibiotic that tried and failed for a long time to succeed in its trials. After they tweaked the patient pool they finally got some minimal results and got approved. Over 20 or years ago my school and the periodontal association were very skeptical of the efficacy of such local antibiotics because the benefits are so minimal and the body response takes care of it on its own. The periodontal association and the ADA still do not fully recommend it as standard of care although it is pushed as such by many in these dental corporate chains. I personally was pushed out from one when I raised my concern a few years ago. So I take any such research papers with a lot of skepticism. I know what I learned 30 some years ago, I have the experience during those years from actual patients and when I see the changes made in the last years I question everything.
” and I am a fan of technology and capitalism, IF restrained by reasonable regulation”
I don’t think we are that different because I stand exactly for the same things. Where we differ is I think you still believe that it is possible or that the ones that are pushing your views are better people and if they would continue to have the power and push for your believs the world would be better. Of course I want regulations that make sense. Of course I want capitalism. Capitalism without regulations is fascism, which is what I believe we have now. That process started slowly when they changed the media regulations in the 70’s I believe and resulted in what we have now where monopolies rule in this country in media and in every other industry, including agriculture. And instead of paying taxes they diverse the money in these foundations that support the ONG’s that push further their agendas. After their success here they were not satisfied, they want to control on the global level. Where you live that might not be evident, but in my country and probably in SK and Japan also, is clear. There was a campaign a few years back where they placed this prosecutor that would charge all the local “chabeols” of corruption while overlooking the gross foreign corporate ones. All with a media campaign that we are the most corrupt, the most inefficient and with the slogan “we want a countr
@hacja
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“we want a country like the western ones”. They hit at everything: our history, our patriotism, our tradition. And now they rule, we are just vassals as Joseon was to Ming or Qing. Even in politics there is a monopoly because I don’t buy the theater they are selling to us, that really is meant to keep us distracted, divided and fighting while they push again their agendas. I started to be a Democrat in the Bush era, even volunteered for Kerry (Kerry that now placed his daughter as his successor in his climate change crusade) I went and saw Gore’s movie and believed in the future. Yes, we can change… But now, when I see all of them united with the Bushies and the Cheneys it gives me such pure disgust. All united against the orange man, but actually against us, another one in cahoots with them or maybe let to be in order to be used against the people that are not happy with their policies. Because of him they got away with a lot because the media said so. The Rusia thing was used to accept everything they are doing now in Ukraine ( knowing that in 2015ish McCain with Graham and Nulen were talking in Ukraine, pledging to support them no matter what, after they manufactured the maidan; even now Graham going there and telling them to drop the age on the boys they call into war). By the way, nobody talks about healthcare or student loans anymore, right? The January 6 to never ever think to revolt against them. The control of “misinformation” by dismissing anything that doesn’t come from them and their controlled media. And that transpired into people in RL, look what I have been called here just because I went against what their media tells them. Just use the word “Qanon” and they are done, I have become the “freak” that is meant to be dismissed and canceled. It doesn’t matter that all that media is either bought or 100% controlled as the NPR journalist stated. It doesn’t matter that the media is pushing propaganda and not stating facts because nobody works there that can challenge them, as the same NPR journalist stated. And you know what is really tragic, that people continue to support one of these two or believe that they can and will do something. We have a president now that can barely function that was chosen because of it and because the alternative was just as bad. This is so sad and it shows the level of corruption in this country. If I didn’t see this movie already in my country, where we had to choose between two former communists that were in power during the communist era in a so called new democracy, it would not have been so tragic. So no, I do not believe that true capitalism with reasonable regulations is possible at all.
I know the many problems of agriculture and meat industry have caused and I do not support them. My problem is that we are punishing the little guys, the good small farmers, with all this climate change propaganda. They are the ones we will lose after all this. They want their lands and total cont
@hacja
They want their lands and total control. I read that the 2 biggest meat packaging companies are investing in the cultured meat industry, among the biggest polluters in the world, the crazy billioners. My belief is even if and when it will be possible it will be controlled by the same people. And just as they did in the agriculture and meat industry, they will do the same or even worse because we will have no alternative by that time. If you go to the site of the company that made the first of such cultured burger, they present their scientists as “the next farmers”. Even in this drama, the little farmers are portrayed the evil ones, capable of even killing. Because of climate change, they impose such “regulations” and “laws” that make it very hard for the little ones to survive while the biggest ones are left alone to consolidate and get bigger. That is why we see them throwing manure at them in Europe, because they feel the pressure against their livelehood. So no, I don’t buy the climate change agenda when I see that nothing is done in other areas. We still let coca-cola and Pepsi sell their product in plastic bottles. We push for wars to manufacture more weapons. We bomb underwater gas lines. Everything is for oil, even in Gaza where they found oil in their sea. Even in Rusia, where they want it to cripple and go and steal their oil. Like they tried in Syria, where they still get oil from a part of the country like pirates. We haven’t stopped from overproducing and selling every crap under the world. I haven’t seen the billioners that are preaching this selling their waterfront properties but I have seen them buy more. Musk is shooting rackets into space like crazy lately. And recycling? Sure, we just send it in containers in other poor countries after China refused it a few years ago. It’s almost like the double-speach used in 1984, they all say something but are saying and doing the opposite at the same time. It sounds nice, people buy it, I mean who doesn’t want to look virtuous and supporting good ideas, but it doesn’t hold water when you look at it from afar. So no, I am not going to believe the rich billioners through their paid government, their paid media and their paid research papers and their paid teachers and scientists. Specially when they all agree in their message and their actions.
So why I am against the cultured meat besides the above reasons? Because I don’t believe in it when it is introduced as a solution to the climate change propaganda. That is bullshit (sorry about the word, I have become quite attached to it since Stranger Things) and even the drama touched upon it in the last episode. I don’t like the fear mongering tactics they use. If it was better they would not have the need for it. If it is a better product than let the people decide, let the free market do its job like it is supposed to in a true capitalism system, without scaring them or making them guilty. We have better options to perserve the enviro
@hacja
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We have better options to perserve the environment but we do not enforce them. If we can’t enforce them, then how we can control this one? We don’t know the long term health risks associated with it even if is done right. The fact that they agreed to sell it (although now you cannot buy it anywhere because of “production” problems) without long term trials it scares me. The fact that we don’t know if we buy GM products because they don’t label them scares me that they will not label it as such when it comes available. From the point of animal cruelty, I would agree with it but the health risks on human kind are greater in my opinion. Because we are a carnivore specie and we cannot deny that fact. It’s been done for thousands of years and I just don’t like to mess with the design or with what has been working for humans. Of course I do not agree on eating meat that has been altered or even vaccinated with the new mRNA vaccines also but that is another story. At least we still have the option to buy the meat from farms that do not use it or any of other malpractices asociated with meat production for now. Soon we won’t because it will be a monopoly. And lastly, because I am afraid that it will not be just an option at some point if they will ever figure it out (I think that they will, maybe not to the exact same conditions as meat but they don’t even need it to be to enforce it). Those rich people are crazy and they have too much power unfortunately.
About the kdrama, it did not disappoint me thus far but I have to see how it ends. I am optimistic with the latest developments. It clearly showed the motive behind her making the cultured meat and it was not for environmental reasons or animal cruelty. I think if she had the option, she would kill all cows, LOL. The use of vCJD didn’t bother me as much (although used as another scare tactic), hopefully it will shed some light on what happens when humans think they are too clever and try to trick the laws of nature. Including herself. It also mirrored the latest trend in the rich billioners and their search for immortality and their fight with time. Some just don’t know when to stop and I am afraid that this will cause the end of our society and not the climate change they are pushing. The climate change is just their way to dump the guilt and responsibilities to us while they continue to do their thing.
@kodra Well, we’ve gone a little far afield here from the cultured meat question. I’m not going to comment on other things you said; some of which I accept, others of which I don’t. There are bad things that are historically constant–human greed, drive for power, intolerance etc. but there are also good things present in every historical era as well–concern for others, drive for new knowledge and technological progress, a sense of morality and justice, etc. I have strong opinions about where those good and bad things are manifested today, but as I’ve said several times, I am very conscious that on this kdrama site very few people are interested in my opinions on these matters, so I do my best to restrain myself, although obviously, given this discussion, I’m not always successful!
To conclude, I still stand by my assertion that cultured meat is not going to happen on the scale that this show proposes. I also still stand by my point that pursuing a variety of alternatives to the concentrated, mass production meat industry is not a bad thing. People like meat around the world, and if eaten in moderation it provides necessary nutrition, so I personally think there are is nothing wrong with the market providing it to them, but if we could get a number of options out there and alleviate some of the issues with the current food system, it would be good for the environment, human health, and for animal rights–this was my assertion that started this discussion. So I guess we didn’t sway each other either way, but it was a good writing exercise–got the typing fingers limbered up!
I volunteer my fanwall for the Rowoon’s fans vs. Cha Eun Woo’fans (almost wrote Eun-whatever) rivalry fights so that we keep the recap space clean. Full disclosure: I am not a fan of either.
Sometimes I think a block function is what we need. I can block those accounts that cannot take constructive criticism of a actor show they like.
(I like both actors but I’m not a fan of either. I’m more than willing to watch their shows if the story piques my interest).
I have seen some of Rowoon’s dramas but none of the Cha Eun Woo’s ones. WW I skipped because I avoid shows that focus on the grief after a child’s death.
Block is a solution for some but I am not 100% behind it. Through dialogue and communication we change.
Good luck on your mission💪🏾 We will be here for you when you reach the other side. My understand is that the fans don’t waste their time being active for dramas their bias is not in so things will be quiet until the next drama staring either actor.
@Kodra Rowoon is quite terrible, but he is still a head taller than Cha Eun Woo, literally and figuratively. But it’s magnanimous of you to offer your wall.
I don’t know if it’s magnanimous, it’s just that I think that my wall is not very popular. Nobody reads it 🤣 So I offered it so people can have a place to write their frustrations in this “fight” and it will be somehow hidden from everyone. We cannot stop them but we can accommodate them. It is ongoing and will not stop, Cha Eun Woo will make dramas and this will be a repeating cycle. Rowoon’s fans will keep on criticize anything he is in repeatedly, sometimes non-stop, so the emotions will fly high. Neither will stop, that is just one of the facts of life on DB.
Because the fact I didn’t specially like Wonderdul World is not related to the fact I like Rowoon’s acting, neither the fact I’m not a fan of CEW’s acting. There was no fan’s fight in the comments section, so your comment is useless in the first place.
I like some actors and I don’t like other ones. I don’t think I need Beanies’s approuval for that.
@Kurama I’m sorry to be speaking without being asked. I don’t think Kodra was talking about you. Anyway, I don’t recall seeing Rowoon’s fans acting like CEW’s fans on DB, so I just supposed I missed that part. I haven’t watched Rowoon’s recent shows, thus I didn’t frequent those shows’ recaps and discussions.
Your opinions on Wonderful World are totally valid (not that you need anyone’s confirmation of that, I know) and I saw no ill intention in your comments (not that you need anyone’s confirmation of that, either). But because I didn’t watch the show, I felt it was futile for me to chime in the discussion under the recap. I meant to say I believe many beanies like me knew that your opinions are valid and you didn’t need anyone’s approval of that. But some other ones’ comments (who seem to only show up for CEW’s shows to pour down praises for his acting from the very first episode when he hadn’t appeared much on the screen) have certain parts that went against DB’s spirit, and that was what bothered us.
I’m the only one who didn’t really like the drama in the comments and because of that I got a lof of angry CEW’s fans who came to me. I don’t hide I like Rowoon’s acting. But I don’t see how these things are related
So I don’t understand the comment about Rowoon’s and CEW’s fans who need her space to fight?
@kurama
Please, believe me that was not intended at you at all. If it was, I would tell you, you know that I am straight forward and don’t shy to say what I think. I think that you are a drama slayer, you “cut” through dramas left and right, and I like that about you, that you always speak your mind. Some that do not know this about you, might feel that you have a bias.
My statement was based on my observation since I have been here, on DB. Whether is true or not, I don’t know, but it is mine and I stand with it. It feels like to me that more of Rowoon’s fans don’t like Cha Eun Woo’s dramas even before the dramas air, even though there are plenty of beanies that are not fans of Rowoon that do not like his acting. But I wouldn’t put you in that category because, as I said, you are slaying a lot of dramas not just Cha Eun Woo’s. My comment had multiple meanings: it was a meant to diffuse the argument and it was an allert that this kind of behavior should not happen, specially at recaps. As you can see, nobody came and used my space but the comments stopped after that. It might have been a coincidence, but they did stop. I do like free speech and I am not the one to tell anyone not to make any comments, so my invitation was not really a real one. If people choose to make personal attacks I think everyone would judge the person who makes the attack and not the one the attack was made at. You know I have been in your shoes a couple of months ago and, if I might add, nobody here supported me. Beanies still have a bias against me, some really believe that I am a Qanon sympathizer and all because I have expressed my beliefs about a drama you guys adore. But even so, I specifically did not make those comments in the recaps or review page because I knew that emotions fly high when a drama is airing or just finished and I really did not want to upset beanies more than I knew I did. But it was just a very sensitive subject to me and I had to say it.
Except there are not really Rowoon’s fans on dramabeans more than other actor’s fans.
There are a lot of people who don’t like CEW’s acting, it’s not related to Rowoon. I’m pretty sure the majority doesn’t like both.
Your comment didn’t do anything because CEW’s fans don’t use dramabeans, they just comment on CEW’s drama recap. And there aren’t a lot comment on WW recap, neither fan wars.
Your comment didn’t make sense and you just created issues that don’t exist.
@kurama
I think that there are some CEW’s fans that are regular beanies also that do not behave like those few ones. But we also have beanies that nickname the actor as “wooden”. We could say that DB is not very welcome towards CEW’s fans and they come and express their frustration only when his dramas air.
I don’t know if I created more problems. The problem existed before I joined DB and will reoccur at every CEW drama, for sure.
@kurama
I think that for some people that have no hand in this my comment holds water because Rowoon’s fans are more vocal about CEW and those fans. You might not like it, but we can feel some bias. Nobody likes to have their idols trashed constantly, Rowoon’s fans also, I am the example of that, although I have only commented about one issue in that particular drama. Do you think I will not get the same response if at every episode I would start commenting every little thing? Cause it’s kdrama, you can find a million things to comment. And when it’s done at every episode, at every drama, then you also would think that is more outhere than just constructive criticism.
People who doesn’t like CEW’s acting are not Rowoon’s fans, they are just Beanies who doesn’t like him as an actor. There is no fan wars, etc. You are creating things that don’t exist.
Or maybe “fans” should leave them alone since they literally have nothing to do with each other, and both of them are just trying to live their lives like everyone else? Just suggesting.
The rumors on Twitter were confirmed, QOT will have a special broadcast episode.
(partially true, the gossip was about two extra episodes)
special broadcast confirmed!! Special Broadcast Mumu TIME Actors themselves in a special broadcast! Here is the answer To actors Kim Soo-hyun, Kim Ji-won, Park Seong-hoon, Kwak Dong-yeon, and Joo-bin Lee Please leave a comment with any questions you are curious about in the thread of this post! Participation period: 4/9 (Tuesday) ~ 4/10 (Wednesday) [Saturday] 9:20 PM | tvN
“[NEWS] #QueenOfTears has achieved a milestone by becoming the first tvN weekend drama to surpass a KBS 2TV weekend drama in seven years. #KimSoohyun #김수현 #눈물의여왕 [Star News, Reporter Lee Kyungho] According to Nielsen Korea, the 9th episode of tvN’s weekend drama ‘Queen of Tears,’ which aired on the 6th, recorded a national viewership rating of 15.6% (rounded to two decimal places as 15.570%) based on paid platforms. Notably, ‘Queen of Tears’ is the first tvN weekend drama to ever surpass a KBS 2TV weekend drama. This is a first since tvN’s weekend dramas began airing in 2017. It’s also an achievement that even the top-rated tvN drama ‘Crash Landing on You,’ did not accomplish. ‘Queen of Tears’ managed to surpass ‘Beauty and Mr. Romantic’ in both national and metropolitan household ratings, achieving the highest viewership rating among all terrestrial, comprehensive, and cable broadcasts that day. ”
I cannot stop laughing. I know, I might sound like a hypocrite (and I hate it) but I must admit that Haein’s forehand is spectacular, the technique is spotless. Also, Hyunwoo’s quickly response is hilarious. Weekend couldn’t come sooner.
I didn’t feel much for this show up until now but I always hoped and believed that the writer will make it work. In these two episodes my heart skipped a few beats, my eyes became watery and my face hurt from laughter. Not once, not twice but a couple of times, not always in that order. And the ending was even better, I know I will enjoy the next episodes watching the Hongs adapt in the new habitat.
I can’t believe that some people think that all those farmers in Europe that are protesting and the people in those countries that support them have anything to do with Qanon.
@mdiary
Are you ready for this?
First of all, I didn’t call them as such, they self proclaimed themselves as radical. The ideology and movement started in 1960 during the second-wave feminism. I am not going to go into detail of the history of it or the many factions of it, anyone can google it, but I will touch upon one of the most famous and quoted individual that wrote a fascinated little piece of propaganda manifesto in the 1970, Shulamith Firestone. I find it funny that you wrote to @cozybooks that the feminists will not start a revolution because her book was calling for a far more scarier and sumbrer one in her The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution book, one that we are seeing the fruits of the seeds that she planted 50 years ago. You see, she, like many of her colegues, was a Marx and Engels sympathizer and her only critique of them was that they didn’t go far enough in their crusade to restructure the society according to their beliefs. Of course, both of them started with good intentions that were rooted from the inequalities of those times and imagined a great utopia where everyone would be better off, but turned quite evil and disastrous for milions of people. Those good ideas captivated (funny that we have a kdrama right now about that subject, might explain to you all my interest of it) the minds of many inteligent and good hearted individuals (many just as yourselves or my son, for example) that, because of the self confidence that comes from it, turned into party ideologues and activists that fought for those high ideals. And when they finally succeded and the theory was aplied in practice, the reality turned out to be quite different and that the majority lived in poverty, but equal, and the small minority that persecuted them lived lavishly. Kind of evil incarnate, right? Should I believe that such extraordinary minds could not forsee the consequences of their theories? Did they accept the death of about 60 millions both in URSS and China, according to many, and the persecution of many more in order to change rapidly the system that they considered unjust as a necesary evil? Was it to satisfy their hate towards some monarchies or was it to criple some for other ones to control the world? I don’t know, but it is highly suspicious how many of those ideas came because of the big industrialization and inequalities that were happening in the more western countries but eventually came to fruitition in those that didn’t, right?
[ ] To get back at the current subject, Mrs. Firestone also, probably, started out with good intentions that were rooted from an abusive father and, later, boyfriend, no questions about it. This whole group were riding off on the high of accomplishments of their civil rights and anti-war movement. There is a saying after the revolutions that happened in 1989 that goes like “once you participated and succeded in a revolution, you’ll always be a revolutionary individual” that aplies to th
that aplies to the activists, meaning they will always find something and continue to be what they define themselves as. All of these were causes needed to be fought for at that time and some, to an extent, even today, more in some parts of the world than others. Their fight and succes for injustice for either blacks, women or the soldiers and the people in the countries that were sacrified in unjust wars are ones that I fully support and applaud. But humans have a funny way to not know when to stop and to turn from victims or deffenders into aggresors, like in the Reign of Terror for example.
In the Dialect for sex, she starts off with (and I am quoting here from wikipedia) “…feminists have to question, not just all of Western culture, but the organization of culture itself, and further, even the very organization of nature.”…”The goal of the feminist revolution, she wrote, must be “not just the elimination of male privilege but of the sex distinction itself” so that genital differences no longer have cultural significance.”…”Sexual inequality is “an oppression that goes back beyond recorded history to the animal kingdom itself”: in this sense, it has been universal and inevitable, but the cultural and technological preconditions now exist that make its elimination possible and perhaps necessary for human survival.”….
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She is wrong in many aspects, but mostly when she asserts that the comunists did not try to do just that. In Rusia more specifically, they tried to give women the same sexual freedom as man and they tried placing people to live in together in larger “families”. But they were not succesfull and it is true, even they were not that evil to fully try to dismantle the foundation of modern civilized world which is the nuclear family or to reorganize the very nature of human kind when it comes to the propagation of our species. In other words, they never messed with disrupting families per se. This woman that it is used as a mentor and her book as a manual (that was used by her followers in the decades after in the higher education system just as she instructed in it) was talking about re-organizing our way of living according to her visions based on her false understanding of the world because of her own experiences that ultimatelly led to her hate and her schizofrenia. What a great world will be in when women will be just as f
just as free to fornicate as men and to just work as men while throwing away the babies, that somehow get to be made, into someones else’s care. I don’t know, maybe into the care of the state to further be brainwashed with their new theories and medicated accordingly? It doesn’t matter to them that this ideology will make a part of population eventually ceast to exist as long as we can somehow cure the imagined sense of inferiority derived from “you know what” envy that some of these radical still carry. Because no babies, no population. Of course the eugenists and the environmentists jumped quickly on this idea. What wikipedia does not tell you is that she mentions many times the need for fertility control and the environment benefits that will emerge from her thesis. I wonder why. What’s not to love, in their oppinion, about not having a lot of these “useless eaters” multiply their genes and polute their world? Useless genes from useless eaters. Because ultimatelly, there will be no babies ( our genes are not the as elite as theirs, you see) but their own, they are still making them. And feeding them with select non farting cow meat raised on nuts and beer on their large mansions equiped with the usual bunker, just in case of I don’t know what (look up Zuckenberg) while they feed us coachroaches and drink recycled toilet water (look up Gates). Oh yeah, let’s not forget about the once a week shower ( brings back memories about comunism because that’s when they gave us heated water, the rest of the days we had to warm it up and that not to hot because they gave us only one gas small tank per family per month for the stove) or the 15 minutes cities (again, sorry to repeat myself, we couldn’t move in another city due to not being able to work elsewhere because of the address on the id and we couldn’t travel cause, again, sorry to bore you with old stories, we were allowed only a limited amount of gasoline and you didn’t make that much money to spend on trains or hotels and even if you managed, you had to hide it from the government and not show off) in order preserve the resources so they could further enrich themselves by manufacture more weapons for more wars that will kill more people. Or to sell them to other countries and, if they didn’t want it because they already have too many and don’t want to buy them, no problem, will make them donate their old ones…to ukraine maybe?…so they could buy more because, you know, some just got to buy more islands because the stink of these useless eaters is hurting their delicate noses that even making them wearing masks is not tolerable to live on the same continent.
One thing she was right though, about the “Technology will eliminate domestic and other drudgery” part when it comes to birth. They are working hard at it, they developed a bag where, so far, a premature baby can continue to develop outside of the womb. I don’t know how your mind works but mine started questioning how long it will take un
They are working hard at it, they developed a bag where, so far, a premature baby can continue to grow in this synthetic womb.
There is so much more but I am afraid that is my time to jump on other subjects, since I have missed a couple of days, so I will leave it here. I will try to post a copy of her book after I will try to conclude my answer to your question.
Any good cause can be used by really evil people to cause havoc. No good cause should be forced upon on our freedom and our way of living by taking away that freedom and changing the world order according to their needs. I happen to love to be a woman and love to be married and even more so, love to be a mother. They use their propaganda to try to change the kids and the kids’ future. This is mass hysteria. I don’t know if your answer by giving me examples of some lunatics that are truly misogynistic holds, they are way too few and way too insignificant. You are forgetting the millions of good fathers and husbands in this entire world. This is just looking at some data that you like, while overlooking the many, many others. Yes, there are still religions and countries where women still are mistreated. Let’s deal will those individually and don’t try to generalize and cry victim all the time. But in Korea right now there are more women that go to colleges than men and they are ahead because they don’t have to go to military. And they are not making babies, so we are told. And they are smacking men left and right at the moment, if we are to believe that kdramas are real. Just take a look at all the gifs posted here and the excitement around them.
Yes, I find this crazy dystopian future that she installed in the minds of many of her followers that later went themselves to colleges and media and politics to prepare more soldiers that are and will be used to fully install it when the technologic advancements are possible (just like now for some parts and later for the other ones) scary. Because the end result of this radical feminist movement, combined with many of the interested ones that are riding along, is exactly what is happening now: control population either through no more marriages (no babies making if no marriages), or separation of the sexes through hate or even drug or surgically induced through gender ideology on top of it all. Or abortion, of course. This is their end game, they have the whole propaganda apparatus controlled by governments and their media. She told us in her book, you just have to read through the bs to see it. If women want to not get married or have children, or be in whatever relationship, any gender or any sexual orientatiom, I will fully support them. But don’t turn around and inforce that upon us by indoctrinating our children in schools or in media, presenting it as it the norm now. And if we do not fall in line, calling us misogynists or Quanon or conservatives. Or whatever. And how is that not evil and how is that different than the other evil incarnate, the Joseon era, when they controlled their elite genes and population through manipulation of women. Now we are telling the girls that they should be afraid of men, by no means to get married because they will get used by them, that they will not be loved and should not experience motherhood, to not grow old with and be taken care by their husbands and kids when they are sick, to not be the queens of their nuclear family. We just tell them to work because that is the highest thrill they will get in life besides the sex they will get from different partners in life. Sounds like slavery to me. And of course, to die alone, just as our Mrs Firestone did, after she got abandoned even by her radfem friends and was found only a month after.
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Happy to report that I have not come across any complaints about the various eye accesories that were used to disguise Hee-soo’s partner in crime. Well done!
I don’t know 🤣🤣🤣
I just found it ridicoulous funny. I don’t get it why they are so puffy. I don’t even know if is alike those times, tried to research it but couldn’t find anything.
For those that watched already ep.8 of Captivating The King…I feel that we were robbed a little from what it was already a great ending scene after watching a video from BTS. More so JJS. How can someone cut this? Seriously…I would be pissed in his place.
Ok, I watched both and, while similar, you’re right, it’s not there in the final version. It’s definitely a bit better than what they left in. No hardship going through that review btw 😂
🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for that laugh, I went through it myself because I didn’t notice his jaw drop as he moves on to the right in the original and the whole process was…very entertaining, indeed. The clip shows more of a raw emotion, his “hunger” and it went hand in hand with the whole missing her, her coming on to him and, to be franlkly, not having any, if we are to believe what they are telling us, for the past three years. I mean, he rrally took a bite at the end 🤣
Kodra aka Qanon something
May 2, 2024 at 3:44 PM
n other close to SK news….you get to be a xenophobe, you also get to be a xenophobe, everyone gets to be a xenophobe….
Priceless.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/02/politics/biden-japan-xenophobic-us-ally/index.html
Cecee
May 3, 2024 at 4:37 AM
xenophobia for me, xenophobia for you, xenophobia for everybody!
This makes me think of Eddie Izzard’s blasphemy:
https://youtu.be/bUh01tTBaRQ?si=iFJXOFTDMvr5lXlS
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 27, 2024 at 8:10 PM
QOT ep.15
It’s like watching a car crash…I know I shouldn’t but I can’t stop from checking out the damage…
Neolttwigi
April 27, 2024 at 8:59 PM
They are going to give him amnesia too, aren’t they? Oh I hope I am wrong…
panshel
April 27, 2024 at 10:20 PM
That would be so on brand for this show, and @Kodra we predicted it. https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/04/drama-viewership-ratings-for-the-week-of-april-15-21-2024/#comment-4186483
Neolttwigi
April 27, 2024 at 10:30 PM
Yes, but I thought you were predicting HI getting it twice.. HW getting it will be on-brand I agree, as both of them will get the ‘fall in love again’ and ‘Newlywed’ moments again. But I would have preferred kickass and self-aware HI going back into ‘MY HUSBAND’ mode, even if she was doing it without the memories (After all, as HW said, he would remember them for her)
The one up side is that everyone from both families will be on board with them getting together, and we might possibly get some family- or secretary- contrived meet cutes
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 28, 2024 at 4:02 AM
@panshel
@mazarin is right, we were talking about HI and didn’t think that HW might get the “amnesia” treatment also, LOL. But that goes hand in hand to the conversation they had in Germany when she said that she will be the angel to help him out. Or something like that, I don’t remember clearly.
Everything has been done to the extreme but now it’s given to us at superfast speed so we don’t think about the many impossible flaws this scenario has at the end.
panshel
April 28, 2024 at 4:53 PM
I know it won’t be the My Dearest Lee Jang-hyun treatment, but it would still be two amnesias in one drama. (But it’s all moot now that I’ve finished the final episode.)
Neolttwigi
April 28, 2024 at 5:25 PM
I will probably watch the final episode- but at the moment I am vacillating about watching it, because I am scared that it will just be more train wreck.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 28, 2024 at 6:27 PM
@mazarin
Ep. 16 was better than the last few ones, specially the second half. It tied pretty good most of the loose endings. I think you should watch it if you survived this long. All of the actors did a fabulous job.
Neolttwigi
April 28, 2024 at 6:52 PM
Hmm… we must at least finally find out Why the Mistress targeted them, because I don’t see any frustrated howls about it from people 🙂
panshel
April 28, 2024 at 7:06 PM
Neolttwigi @Mazarin *howl*
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 28, 2024 at 8:24 PM
@mazarin
I didn’t say it was good, I said that it was better 😏 And that was not one of the loose ends that got tied. But some others got mentioned, like the miscarriage, a few scenes were added (but still not enough). The evil mother-son got closure, I am OK with how that went. It did have a few potholes, it did maintain the same note, of course, but less of it than in previous episodes. I don’t want to spoil it to much for you.
Ally
April 27, 2024 at 10:37 PM
Literally!!!
Snow Flower
April 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM
I stopped watching by Episode 4. Should I finish? I just want to know the ending.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 28, 2024 at 2:46 PM
I felt the middle part got better but it started to fall apart after episode 10. There so many things that made you wonder how or why the writer-nim chose to go with them because it defied logic.
Seemed that this writer-nim wanted really hard to outdo MD writer.
Snow Flower
April 28, 2024 at 3:11 PM
I only liked the flashbacks in the first 4 episodes. I will use the FF button and have a fun love/hate watch. Or just read the recaps.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 28, 2024 at 4:23 PM
Let me know what you think of after.
Neolttwigi
April 28, 2024 at 5:24 PM
Watch episode 10, its epic. Watch all the epilogues, they are done well. (They won’t have quite the same effect if you haven’t watched the relevant bit in the episode, but they are still good)
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 22, 2024 at 7:03 AM
Lovely Runner ep. 5
This scene is so perfectly done. You could feel all of her emotions watching him sing for the first time, knowing the whole history and his ending. The look of the 2ML and the enjoyment of his friend on the stage. But mostly, the difference between SJ playing for the first time and later on when he is an experienced idol. Everything feels so natural as it should be, the acting and the editing is simply perfect. The song helps set the mood also and from what I hear it is sung by him. He would have been great as a singer idol also.
https://twitter.com/CJnDrama/status/1782396687639605680
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 18, 2024 at 5:02 AM
QOT ep 13-14 pre-release clip is good but cut too short. Oh, the pull and the “how” will linger in my mind now…
PYC
April 18, 2024 at 7:24 AM
Super sweet…
hacja
April 18, 2024 at 9:13 PM
@kodra Please forgive me for cluttering your fan wall– I’ll be happy to delete this comment. But I wanted to respond to your comment on Blood-Free. First, let me say that I know a lot about this issue. Both sides of my family are farmers, my wife and and sister-in-law work in biotechnology in closely related fields, I taught environmental history for two decades, and I have published fairly extensively on agricultural history. Also, I eat meat, although I prefer to buy from farmers I know rather than generic mass produced meat, and I am a fan of technology and capitalism, IF restrained by reasonable regulation. (I realize this is where you and I differ politically) But just to be clear, I am not speaking based on any sort of radical politics. I am not anti-farmer, anti-capitalist, anti-technology.
I can tell you, in response to your comment. you are flat out wrong on many points. You are welcome to your opinions, but you simply know less than I do. I could send you citation after citation, but in the end, who cares? Because the main point you are wrong about is that this is somehow a pressing issue apart from this particular kdrama! We will not be eating the kind of cultured meat that this kdrama proposes in our lifetime. We could have the option of eating fake meat from say, peas, but that’s a vastly different proposition.
In any case, what is a pressing issue in U.S. agriculture, is the corporate consolidation of food production, which pushes independent farmers out of business, exploits immigrant workers in brutal conditions, especially slaughterhouses (how can you ignore the horrible work and health conditions in slaughterhouses!) and treats animals as mass produced widgets, with Confined Area Feeding Operations housing thousands of animals in unsanitary conditions, 18,000 cow dairy farms (!) and manure sewerage from thousands of pig farms flooding waterways. (There are so many environment issues apart from climate change that you totally ignore! )
This kind of massive scale (and that’s the point, the massive scale, not the capitalist agriculture or the technology) given non-human influenced biology, not only results in avian flu pandemics requiring the slaughter of millions of chickens! but has also resulted in avian flu being transferred to cows, but actually risks human consumer health. And that is a fact, not an opinion.
I am not sure why you wrought up about cultured meat, which again, I assure, will not happen on the scale this drama proposes, so you don’t have to worry about it. But if it was possible, then it would be beneficial in every way I suggested, because it would eliminate the bulk of the problems with massive scale, corporate dominated, industrial domestic animal slaughter. But that’s all I have to say about it. This is a kdrama site, after all!
Again, let me know if you want me to delete this comment–it isn’t relevant to QOT, so I apologize for that!
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 20, 2024 at 2:46 AM
Please don’t delete your comment and thanks for your response. I beg that you will forgive me for writing you later, the weekends are very busy for me to write longer messages on top of seeing all the hot dramas I am watching right now. I will get back to you Monday or Tuesday with a response when time allows me to frame it better. It is an important subject for me so I welcome and enjoy the discussion.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 25, 2024 at 9:25 AM
Sorry for the late reply, RL and Kdrama took over my time. It will be a long one, so brace yourself.
Of course I don’t know as much as you do but all my comments are based on research papers also. The problem with research papers in the last years in science is that you will find anything that can support your claim. It’s just of matter if you chose to ignore the other side, much like with news today. Although I have not worked in bio-technology, I can read and make a judgement to the validity of a research paper. I would like to know where do you think I am wrong because I am really interested to know. About research papers and the hand some private companies have in it I will give you an example from my profession. Arestin is a local antibiotic that tried and failed for a long time to succeed in its trials. After they tweaked the patient pool they finally got some minimal results and got approved. Over 20 or years ago my school and the periodontal association were very skeptical of the efficacy of such local antibiotics because the benefits are so minimal and the body response takes care of it on its own. The periodontal association and the ADA still do not fully recommend it as standard of care although it is pushed as such by many in these dental corporate chains. I personally was pushed out from one when I raised my concern a few years ago. So I take any such research papers with a lot of skepticism. I know what I learned 30 some years ago, I have the experience during those years from actual patients and when I see the changes made in the last years I question everything.
” and I am a fan of technology and capitalism, IF restrained by reasonable regulation”
I don’t think we are that different because I stand exactly for the same things. Where we differ is I think you still believe that it is possible or that the ones that are pushing your views are better people and if they would continue to have the power and push for your believs the world would be better. Of course I want regulations that make sense. Of course I want capitalism. Capitalism without regulations is fascism, which is what I believe we have now. That process started slowly when they changed the media regulations in the 70’s I believe and resulted in what we have now where monopolies rule in this country in media and in every other industry, including agriculture. And instead of paying taxes they diverse the money in these foundations that support the ONG’s that push further their agendas. After their success here they were not satisfied, they want to control on the global level. Where you live that might not be evident, but in my country and probably in SK and Japan also, is clear. There was a campaign a few years back where they placed this prosecutor that would charge all the local “chabeols” of corruption while overlooking the gross foreign corporate ones. All with a media campaign that we are the most corrupt, the most inefficient and with the slogan “we want a countr
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 25, 2024 at 9:27 AM
@hacja
…..
“we want a country like the western ones”. They hit at everything: our history, our patriotism, our tradition. And now they rule, we are just vassals as Joseon was to Ming or Qing. Even in politics there is a monopoly because I don’t buy the theater they are selling to us, that really is meant to keep us distracted, divided and fighting while they push again their agendas. I started to be a Democrat in the Bush era, even volunteered for Kerry (Kerry that now placed his daughter as his successor in his climate change crusade) I went and saw Gore’s movie and believed in the future. Yes, we can change… But now, when I see all of them united with the Bushies and the Cheneys it gives me such pure disgust. All united against the orange man, but actually against us, another one in cahoots with them or maybe let to be in order to be used against the people that are not happy with their policies. Because of him they got away with a lot because the media said so. The Rusia thing was used to accept everything they are doing now in Ukraine ( knowing that in 2015ish McCain with Graham and Nulen were talking in Ukraine, pledging to support them no matter what, after they manufactured the maidan; even now Graham going there and telling them to drop the age on the boys they call into war). By the way, nobody talks about healthcare or student loans anymore, right? The January 6 to never ever think to revolt against them. The control of “misinformation” by dismissing anything that doesn’t come from them and their controlled media. And that transpired into people in RL, look what I have been called here just because I went against what their media tells them. Just use the word “Qanon” and they are done, I have become the “freak” that is meant to be dismissed and canceled. It doesn’t matter that all that media is either bought or 100% controlled as the NPR journalist stated. It doesn’t matter that the media is pushing propaganda and not stating facts because nobody works there that can challenge them, as the same NPR journalist stated. And you know what is really tragic, that people continue to support one of these two or believe that they can and will do something. We have a president now that can barely function that was chosen because of it and because the alternative was just as bad. This is so sad and it shows the level of corruption in this country. If I didn’t see this movie already in my country, where we had to choose between two former communists that were in power during the communist era in a so called new democracy, it would not have been so tragic. So no, I do not believe that true capitalism with reasonable regulations is possible at all.
I know the many problems of agriculture and meat industry have caused and I do not support them. My problem is that we are punishing the little guys, the good small farmers, with all this climate change propaganda. They are the ones we will lose after all this. They want their lands and total cont
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 25, 2024 at 9:29 AM
@hacja
They want their lands and total control. I read that the 2 biggest meat packaging companies are investing in the cultured meat industry, among the biggest polluters in the world, the crazy billioners. My belief is even if and when it will be possible it will be controlled by the same people. And just as they did in the agriculture and meat industry, they will do the same or even worse because we will have no alternative by that time. If you go to the site of the company that made the first of such cultured burger, they present their scientists as “the next farmers”. Even in this drama, the little farmers are portrayed the evil ones, capable of even killing. Because of climate change, they impose such “regulations” and “laws” that make it very hard for the little ones to survive while the biggest ones are left alone to consolidate and get bigger. That is why we see them throwing manure at them in Europe, because they feel the pressure against their livelehood. So no, I don’t buy the climate change agenda when I see that nothing is done in other areas. We still let coca-cola and Pepsi sell their product in plastic bottles. We push for wars to manufacture more weapons. We bomb underwater gas lines. Everything is for oil, even in Gaza where they found oil in their sea. Even in Rusia, where they want it to cripple and go and steal their oil. Like they tried in Syria, where they still get oil from a part of the country like pirates. We haven’t stopped from overproducing and selling every crap under the world. I haven’t seen the billioners that are preaching this selling their waterfront properties but I have seen them buy more. Musk is shooting rackets into space like crazy lately. And recycling? Sure, we just send it in containers in other poor countries after China refused it a few years ago. It’s almost like the double-speach used in 1984, they all say something but are saying and doing the opposite at the same time. It sounds nice, people buy it, I mean who doesn’t want to look virtuous and supporting good ideas, but it doesn’t hold water when you look at it from afar. So no, I am not going to believe the rich billioners through their paid government, their paid media and their paid research papers and their paid teachers and scientists. Specially when they all agree in their message and their actions.
So why I am against the cultured meat besides the above reasons? Because I don’t believe in it when it is introduced as a solution to the climate change propaganda. That is bullshit (sorry about the word, I have become quite attached to it since Stranger Things) and even the drama touched upon it in the last episode. I don’t like the fear mongering tactics they use. If it was better they would not have the need for it. If it is a better product than let the people decide, let the free market do its job like it is supposed to in a true capitalism system, without scaring them or making them guilty. We have better options to perserve the enviro
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 25, 2024 at 9:31 AM
@hacja
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We have better options to perserve the environment but we do not enforce them. If we can’t enforce them, then how we can control this one? We don’t know the long term health risks associated with it even if is done right. The fact that they agreed to sell it (although now you cannot buy it anywhere because of “production” problems) without long term trials it scares me. The fact that we don’t know if we buy GM products because they don’t label them scares me that they will not label it as such when it comes available. From the point of animal cruelty, I would agree with it but the health risks on human kind are greater in my opinion. Because we are a carnivore specie and we cannot deny that fact. It’s been done for thousands of years and I just don’t like to mess with the design or with what has been working for humans. Of course I do not agree on eating meat that has been altered or even vaccinated with the new mRNA vaccines also but that is another story. At least we still have the option to buy the meat from farms that do not use it or any of other malpractices asociated with meat production for now. Soon we won’t because it will be a monopoly. And lastly, because I am afraid that it will not be just an option at some point if they will ever figure it out (I think that they will, maybe not to the exact same conditions as meat but they don’t even need it to be to enforce it). Those rich people are crazy and they have too much power unfortunately.
About the kdrama, it did not disappoint me thus far but I have to see how it ends. I am optimistic with the latest developments. It clearly showed the motive behind her making the cultured meat and it was not for environmental reasons or animal cruelty. I think if she had the option, she would kill all cows, LOL. The use of vCJD didn’t bother me as much (although used as another scare tactic), hopefully it will shed some light on what happens when humans think they are too clever and try to trick the laws of nature. Including herself. It also mirrored the latest trend in the rich billioners and their search for immortality and their fight with time. Some just don’t know when to stop and I am afraid that this will cause the end of our society and not the climate change they are pushing. The climate change is just their way to dump the guilt and responsibilities to us while they continue to do their thing.
hacja
April 25, 2024 at 12:43 PM
@kodra Well, we’ve gone a little far afield here from the cultured meat question. I’m not going to comment on other things you said; some of which I accept, others of which I don’t. There are bad things that are historically constant–human greed, drive for power, intolerance etc. but there are also good things present in every historical era as well–concern for others, drive for new knowledge and technological progress, a sense of morality and justice, etc. I have strong opinions about where those good and bad things are manifested today, but as I’ve said several times, I am very conscious that on this kdrama site very few people are interested in my opinions on these matters, so I do my best to restrain myself, although obviously, given this discussion, I’m not always successful!
To conclude, I still stand by my assertion that cultured meat is not going to happen on the scale that this show proposes. I also still stand by my point that pursuing a variety of alternatives to the concentrated, mass production meat industry is not a bad thing. People like meat around the world, and if eaten in moderation it provides necessary nutrition, so I personally think there are is nothing wrong with the market providing it to them, but if we could get a number of options out there and alleviate some of the issues with the current food system, it would be good for the environment, human health, and for animal rights–this was my assertion that started this discussion. So I guess we didn’t sway each other either way, but it was a good writing exercise–got the typing fingers limbered up!
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 15, 2024 at 2:19 AM
I volunteer my fanwall for the Rowoon’s fans vs. Cha Eun Woo’fans (almost wrote Eun-whatever) rivalry fights so that we keep the recap space clean. Full disclosure: I am not a fan of either.
Healer’s
April 15, 2024 at 3:01 AM
Sometimes I think a block function is what we need. I can block those accounts that cannot take constructive criticism of a
actorshow they like.(I like both actors but I’m not a fan of either. I’m more than willing to watch their shows if the story piques my interest).
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 15, 2024 at 4:07 AM
I have seen some of Rowoon’s dramas but none of the Cha Eun Woo’s ones. WW I skipped because I avoid shows that focus on the grief after a child’s death.
Block is a solution for some but I am not 100% behind it. Through dialogue and communication we change.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
April 15, 2024 at 4:34 AM
Good luck on your mission💪🏾 We will be here for you when you reach the other side. My understand is that the fans don’t waste their time being active for dramas their bias is not in so things will be quiet until the next drama staring either actor.
Healer’s
April 15, 2024 at 4:43 AM
I dropped it after episode 2 for the same reason.
In general I agree with you. But sometimes some people are just not worth my time.
Minnie🫘👩🏻🚀Pioneer and Teacher 👩🏻🏫🌱🏹
April 15, 2024 at 11:08 AM
@Kodra Rowoon is quite terrible, but he is still a head taller than Cha Eun Woo, literally and figuratively. But it’s magnanimous of you to offer your wall.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 15, 2024 at 12:40 PM
I don’t know if it’s magnanimous, it’s just that I think that my wall is not very popular. Nobody reads it 🤣 So I offered it so people can have a place to write their frustrations in this “fight” and it will be somehow hidden from everyone. We cannot stop them but we can accommodate them. It is ongoing and will not stop, Cha Eun Woo will make dramas and this will be a repeating cycle. Rowoon’s fans will keep on criticize anything he is in repeatedly, sometimes non-stop, so the emotions will fly high. Neither will stop, that is just one of the facts of life on DB.
Kurama
April 16, 2024 at 10:31 PM
Are you talking about me?
Because the fact I didn’t specially like Wonderdul World is not related to the fact I like Rowoon’s acting, neither the fact I’m not a fan of CEW’s acting. There was no fan’s fight in the comments section, so your comment is useless in the first place.
I like some actors and I don’t like other ones. I don’t think I need Beanies’s approuval for that.
Healer’s
April 16, 2024 at 10:52 PM
@Kurama I’m sorry to be speaking without being asked. I don’t think Kodra was talking about you. Anyway, I don’t recall seeing Rowoon’s fans acting like CEW’s fans on DB, so I just supposed I missed that part. I haven’t watched Rowoon’s recent shows, thus I didn’t frequent those shows’ recaps and discussions.
Your opinions on Wonderful World are totally valid (not that you need anyone’s confirmation of that, I know) and I saw no ill intention in your comments (not that you need anyone’s confirmation of that, either). But because I didn’t watch the show, I felt it was futile for me to chime in the discussion under the recap. I meant to say I believe many beanies like me knew that your opinions are valid and you didn’t need anyone’s approval of that. But some other ones’ comments (who seem to only show up for CEW’s shows to pour down praises for his acting from the very first episode when he hadn’t appeared much on the screen) have certain parts that went against DB’s spirit, and that was what bothered us.
Kurama
April 16, 2024 at 11:16 PM
@claire2009
I’m the only one who didn’t really like the drama in the comments and because of that I got a lof of angry CEW’s fans who came to me. I don’t hide I like Rowoon’s acting. But I don’t see how these things are related
So I don’t understand the comment about Rowoon’s and CEW’s fans who need her space to fight?
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 17, 2024 at 2:34 AM
@kurama
Please, believe me that was not intended at you at all. If it was, I would tell you, you know that I am straight forward and don’t shy to say what I think. I think that you are a drama slayer, you “cut” through dramas left and right, and I like that about you, that you always speak your mind. Some that do not know this about you, might feel that you have a bias.
My statement was based on my observation since I have been here, on DB. Whether is true or not, I don’t know, but it is mine and I stand with it. It feels like to me that more of Rowoon’s fans don’t like Cha Eun Woo’s dramas even before the dramas air, even though there are plenty of beanies that are not fans of Rowoon that do not like his acting. But I wouldn’t put you in that category because, as I said, you are slaying a lot of dramas not just Cha Eun Woo’s. My comment had multiple meanings: it was a meant to diffuse the argument and it was an allert that this kind of behavior should not happen, specially at recaps. As you can see, nobody came and used my space but the comments stopped after that. It might have been a coincidence, but they did stop. I do like free speech and I am not the one to tell anyone not to make any comments, so my invitation was not really a real one. If people choose to make personal attacks I think everyone would judge the person who makes the attack and not the one the attack was made at. You know I have been in your shoes a couple of months ago and, if I might add, nobody here supported me. Beanies still have a bias against me, some really believe that I am a Qanon sympathizer and all because I have expressed my beliefs about a drama you guys adore. But even so, I specifically did not make those comments in the recaps or review page because I knew that emotions fly high when a drama is airing or just finished and I really did not want to upset beanies more than I knew I did. But it was just a very sensitive subject to me and I had to say it.
Kurama
April 17, 2024 at 2:51 AM
Except there are not really Rowoon’s fans on dramabeans more than other actor’s fans.
There are a lot of people who don’t like CEW’s acting, it’s not related to Rowoon. I’m pretty sure the majority doesn’t like both.
Your comment didn’t do anything because CEW’s fans don’t use dramabeans, they just comment on CEW’s drama recap. And there aren’t a lot comment on WW recap, neither fan wars.
Your comment didn’t make sense and you just created issues that don’t exist.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 17, 2024 at 3:14 AM
@kurama
I think that there are some CEW’s fans that are regular beanies also that do not behave like those few ones. But we also have beanies that nickname the actor as “wooden”. We could say that DB is not very welcome towards CEW’s fans and they come and express their frustration only when his dramas air.
I don’t know if I created more problems. The problem existed before I joined DB and will reoccur at every CEW drama, for sure.
Kurama
April 17, 2024 at 4:06 AM
Yeah, but what you wrote is nothing related to Rowoon’s fans.
Some CEW’s fans made the comments section not a good place and some Beanies don’t want to comment anymore because of that. It’s sad.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 17, 2024 at 5:46 AM
@kurama
I think that for some people that have no hand in this my comment holds water because Rowoon’s fans are more vocal about CEW and those fans. You might not like it, but we can feel some bias. Nobody likes to have their idols trashed constantly, Rowoon’s fans also, I am the example of that, although I have only commented about one issue in that particular drama. Do you think I will not get the same response if at every episode I would start commenting every little thing? Cause it’s kdrama, you can find a million things to comment. And when it’s done at every episode, at every drama, then you also would think that is more outhere than just constructive criticism.
Kurama
April 17, 2024 at 7:48 AM
People who doesn’t like CEW’s acting are not Rowoon’s fans, they are just Beanies who doesn’t like him as an actor. There is no fan wars, etc. You are creating things that don’t exist.
Kurama
April 15, 2024 at 4:49 AM
I don’t get your comment.
tabong has two different tears🍉
April 15, 2024 at 12:16 PM
Or maybe “fans” should leave them alone since they literally have nothing to do with each other, and both of them are just trying to live their lives like everyone else? Just suggesting.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 15, 2024 at 12:27 PM
That’s my take on it also. But if they must, maybe the recaps is not the space to vent it all out, hence my offer.
tabong has two different tears🍉
April 15, 2024 at 12:52 PM
“If they must”, I think they’re just in the wrong site. Dramabeans isn’t the place for that.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 15, 2024 at 2:01 PM
I know, it isn’t, but it happens quite often.
tabong has two different tears🍉
April 15, 2024 at 2:23 PM
I just think giving them “a place to fight” would make them feel like this is really the place to do that.
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 13, 2024 at 6:59 AM
Notebook? The Notebook? Nah….
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 13, 2024 at 5:44 AM
QOT
I don’t even know what HI is saying but I am crying my eyes off. Have tissues around, beanies…
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 8, 2024 at 10:16 PM
The rumors on Twitter were confirmed, QOT will have a special broadcast episode.
(partially true, the gossip was about two extra episodes)
special broadcast confirmed!! Special Broadcast Mumu TIME Actors themselves in a special broadcast! Here is the answer To actors Kim Soo-hyun, Kim Ji-won, Park Seong-hoon, Kwak Dong-yeon, and Joo-bin Lee Please leave a comment with any questions you are curious about in the thread of this post! Participation period: 4/9 (Tuesday) ~ 4/10 (Wednesday) [Saturday] 9:20 PM | tvN
https://twitter.com/CJnDrama/status/1777523131059732982
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 7, 2024 at 4:41 AM
“[NEWS] #QueenOfTears has achieved a milestone by becoming the first tvN weekend drama to surpass a KBS 2TV weekend drama in seven years. #KimSoohyun #김수현 #눈물의여왕 [Star News, Reporter Lee Kyungho] According to Nielsen Korea, the 9th episode of tvN’s weekend drama ‘Queen of Tears,’ which aired on the 6th, recorded a national viewership rating of 15.6% (rounded to two decimal places as 15.570%) based on paid platforms. Notably, ‘Queen of Tears’ is the first tvN weekend drama to ever surpass a KBS 2TV weekend drama. This is a first since tvN’s weekend dramas began airing in 2017. It’s also an achievement that even the top-rated tvN drama ‘Crash Landing on You,’ did not accomplish. ‘Queen of Tears’ managed to surpass ‘Beauty and Mr. Romantic’ in both national and metropolitan household ratings, achieving the highest viewership rating among all terrestrial, comprehensive, and cable broadcasts that day. ”
https://twitter.com/soohyunupdates/status/1776808541971693859
Kodra aka Qanon something
April 4, 2024 at 5:29 AM
Queen of tears ep. 9 pre-release clip spoiler
I cannot stop laughing. I know, I might sound like a hypocrite (and I hate it) but I must admit that Haein’s forehand is spectacular, the technique is spotless. Also, Hyunwoo’s quickly response is hilarious. Weekend couldn’t come sooner.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 31, 2024 at 6:46 PM
Queen of Tears ep. 8 ratings: 16.14 %.
I didn’t feel much for this show up until now but I always hoped and believed that the writer will make it work. In these two episodes my heart skipped a few beats, my eyes became watery and my face hurt from laughter. Not once, not twice but a couple of times, not always in that order. And the ending was even better, I know I will enjoy the next episodes watching the Hongs adapt in the new habitat.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 23, 2024 at 12:47 PM
Queen of tears finally delivered in ep. 5. Including beef, pork, chicken, duck and fish.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 20, 2024 at 3:45 AM
I can’t believe that some people think that all those farmers in Europe that are protesting and the people in those countries that support them have anything to do with Qanon.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:02 PM
My comment to @mdiary went in moderation. I don’t know why yet but I will try to repost it here.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:03 PM
@mdiary
Are you ready for this?
First of all, I didn’t call them as such, they self proclaimed themselves as radical. The ideology and movement started in 1960 during the second-wave feminism. I am not going to go into detail of the history of it or the many factions of it, anyone can google it, but I will touch upon one of the most famous and quoted individual that wrote a fascinated little piece of propaganda manifesto in the 1970, Shulamith Firestone. I find it funny that you wrote to @cozybooks that the feminists will not start a revolution because her book was calling for a far more scarier and sumbrer one in her The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution book, one that we are seeing the fruits of the seeds that she planted 50 years ago. You see, she, like many of her colegues, was a Marx and Engels sympathizer and her only critique of them was that they didn’t go far enough in their crusade to restructure the society according to their beliefs. Of course, both of them started with good intentions that were rooted from the inequalities of those times and imagined a great utopia where everyone would be better off, but turned quite evil and disastrous for milions of people. Those good ideas captivated (funny that we have a kdrama right now about that subject, might explain to you all my interest of it) the minds of many inteligent and good hearted individuals (many just as yourselves or my son, for example) that, because of the self confidence that comes from it, turned into party ideologues and activists that fought for those high ideals. And when they finally succeded and the theory was aplied in practice, the reality turned out to be quite different and that the majority lived in poverty, but equal, and the small minority that persecuted them lived lavishly. Kind of evil incarnate, right? Should I believe that such extraordinary minds could not forsee the consequences of their theories? Did they accept the death of about 60 millions both in URSS and China, according to many, and the persecution of many more in order to change rapidly the system that they considered unjust as a necesary evil? Was it to satisfy their hate towards some monarchies or was it to criple some for other ones to control the world? I don’t know, but it is highly suspicious how many of those ideas came because of the big industrialization and inequalities that were happening in the more western countries but eventually came to fruitition in those that didn’t, right?
[ ] To get back at the current subject, Mrs. Firestone also, probably, started out with good intentions that were rooted from an abusive father and, later, boyfriend, no questions about it. This whole group were riding off on the high of accomplishments of their civil rights and anti-war movement. There is a saying after the revolutions that happened in 1989 that goes like “once you participated and succeded in a revolution, you’ll always be a revolutionary individual” that aplies to th
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:18 PM
that aplies to the activists, meaning they will always find something and continue to be what they define themselves as. All of these were causes needed to be fought for at that time and some, to an extent, even today, more in some parts of the world than others. Their fight and succes for injustice for either blacks, women or the soldiers and the people in the countries that were sacrified in unjust wars are ones that I fully support and applaud. But humans have a funny way to not know when to stop and to turn from victims or deffenders into aggresors, like in the Reign of Terror for example.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:20 PM
In the Dialect for sex, she starts off with (and I am quoting here from wikipedia) “…feminists have to question, not just all of Western culture, but the organization of culture itself, and further, even the very organization of nature.”…”The goal of the feminist revolution, she wrote, must be “not just the elimination of male privilege but of the sex distinction itself” so that genital differences no longer have cultural significance.”…”Sexual inequality is “an oppression that goes back beyond recorded history to the animal kingdom itself”: in this sense, it has been universal and inevitable, but the cultural and technological preconditions now exist that make its elimination possible and perhaps necessary for human survival.”….
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:31 PM
.. “The feminist revolution
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:40 PM
…..
She is wrong in many aspects, but mostly when she asserts that the comunists did not try to do just that. In Rusia more specifically, they tried to give women the same sexual freedom as man and they tried placing people to live in together in larger “families”. But they were not succesfull and it is true, even they were not that evil to fully try to dismantle the foundation of modern civilized world which is the nuclear family or to reorganize the very nature of human kind when it comes to the propagation of our species. In other words, they never messed with disrupting families per se. This woman that it is used as a mentor and her book as a manual (that was used by her followers in the decades after in the higher education system just as she instructed in it) was talking about re-organizing our way of living according to her visions based on her false understanding of the world because of her own experiences that ultimatelly led to her hate and her schizofrenia. What a great world will be in when women will be just as f
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:41 PM
just as free to fornicate as men and to just work as men while throwing away the babies, that somehow get to be made, into someones else’s care. I don’t know, maybe into the care of the state to further be brainwashed with their new theories and medicated accordingly? It doesn’t matter to them that this ideology will make a part of population eventually ceast to exist as long as we can somehow cure the imagined sense of inferiority derived from “you know what” envy that some of these radical still carry. Because no babies, no population. Of course the eugenists and the environmentists jumped quickly on this idea. What wikipedia does not tell you is that she mentions many times the need for fertility control and the environment benefits that will emerge from her thesis. I wonder why. What’s not to love, in their oppinion, about not having a lot of these “useless eaters” multiply their genes and polute their world? Useless genes from useless eaters. Because ultimatelly, there will be no babies ( our genes are not the as elite as theirs, you see) but their own, they are still making them. And feeding them with select non farting cow meat raised on nuts and beer on their large mansions equiped with the usual bunker, just in case of I don’t know what (look up Zuckenberg) while they feed us coachroaches and drink recycled toilet water (look up Gates). Oh yeah, let’s not forget about the once a week shower ( brings back memories about comunism because that’s when they gave us heated water, the rest of the days we had to warm it up and that not to hot because they gave us only one gas small tank per family per month for the stove) or the 15 minutes cities (again, sorry to repeat myself, we couldn’t move in another city due to not being able to work elsewhere because of the address on the id and we couldn’t travel cause, again, sorry to bore you with old stories, we were allowed only a limited amount of gasoline and you didn’t make that much money to spend on trains or hotels and even if you managed, you had to hide it from the government and not show off) in order preserve the resources so they could further enrich themselves by manufacture more weapons for more wars that will kill more people. Or to sell them to other countries and, if they didn’t want it because they already have too many and don’t want to buy them, no problem, will make them donate their old ones…to ukraine maybe?…so they could buy more because, you know, some just got to buy more islands because the stink of these useless eaters is hurting their delicate noses that even making them wearing masks is not tolerable to live on the same continent.
One thing she was right though, about the “Technology will eliminate domestic and other drudgery” part when it comes to birth. They are working hard at it, they developed a bag where, so far, a premature baby can continue to develop outside of the womb. I don’t know how your mind works but mine started questioning how long it will take un
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 12:56 PM
They are working hard at it, they developed a bag where, so far, a premature baby can continue to grow in this synthetic womb.
There is so much more but I am afraid that is my time to jump on other subjects, since I have missed a couple of days, so I will leave it here. I will try to post a copy of her book after I will try to conclude my answer to your question.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 1:15 PM
Any good cause can be used by really evil people to cause havoc. No good cause should be forced upon on our freedom and our way of living by taking away that freedom and changing the world order according to their needs. I happen to love to be a woman and love to be married and even more so, love to be a mother. They use their propaganda to try to change the kids and the kids’ future. This is mass hysteria. I don’t know if your answer by giving me examples of some lunatics that are truly misogynistic holds, they are way too few and way too insignificant. You are forgetting the millions of good fathers and husbands in this entire world. This is just looking at some data that you like, while overlooking the many, many others. Yes, there are still religions and countries where women still are mistreated. Let’s deal will those individually and don’t try to generalize and cry victim all the time. But in Korea right now there are more women that go to colleges than men and they are ahead because they don’t have to go to military. And they are not making babies, so we are told. And they are smacking men left and right at the moment, if we are to believe that kdramas are real. Just take a look at all the gifs posted here and the excitement around them.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 1:16 PM
Yes, I find this crazy dystopian future that she installed in the minds of many of her followers that later went themselves to colleges and media and politics to prepare more soldiers that are and will be used to fully install it when the technologic advancements are possible (just like now for some parts and later for the other ones) scary. Because the end result of this radical feminist movement, combined with many of the interested ones that are riding along, is exactly what is happening now: control population either through no more marriages (no babies making if no marriages), or separation of the sexes through hate or even drug or surgically induced through gender ideology on top of it all. Or abortion, of course. This is their end game, they have the whole propaganda apparatus controlled by governments and their media. She told us in her book, you just have to read through the bs to see it. If women want to not get married or have children, or be in whatever relationship, any gender or any sexual orientatiom, I will fully support them. But don’t turn around and inforce that upon us by indoctrinating our children in schools or in media, presenting it as it the norm now. And if we do not fall in line, calling us misogynists or Quanon or conservatives. Or whatever. And how is that not evil and how is that different than the other evil incarnate, the Joseon era, when they controlled their elite genes and population through manipulation of women. Now we are telling the girls that they should be afraid of men, by no means to get married because they will get used by them, that they will not be loved and should not experience motherhood, to not grow old with and be taken care by their husbands and kids when they are sick, to not be the queens of their nuclear family. We just tell them to work because that is the highest thrill they will get in life besides the sex they will get from different partners in life. Sounds like slavery to me. And of course, to die alone, just as our Mrs Firestone did, after she got abandoned even by her radfem friends and was found only a month after.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 1:19 PM
I finally did it.
There were more quotes that I couldn’t post from wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialectic_of_Sex
bomibeans
March 13, 2024 at 10:04 PM
Sometimes when you try to post a comment, it’s STILL posting because the server is so slow for this blog, but all you see that it’s not posted and try to post it again, and system flags you for spam and deletes your comment.
In other instances, if you don’t use an ad blocker, and write a comment, and the ad refreshes itself, then all your comment refreshes too and disappears. For this site it’s best to use blocker or subscribe for a blue bean.
And sometimes DB staff deletes your comment but that comment must have been very very offensive for them to do it. It’s rarely done. Surprisingly, they have time to delete all spoilers. 🙄
And as you mentioned already some words get flagged for spam so Sicarius’s guideline here is invaluable.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 5, 2024 at 10:56 AM
I cannot post a comment, probably because of onw of those words we are not supposed to use. I know that sicarius has made a list..can someone help me by posting the link, please?
🌸 Cera (@Seeker) 🌸
March 6, 2024 at 1:18 AM
This is the Beanie resource folder compiled by kmromrell, claire2009 and darwi.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16vrpxsSwfc6FGA-8-ZXnzI9w3Ch7ebkm
In the How to Dramabeans folder you will find two documents by Sicarius 🥰 a Beanie Level Glossary and an Inappropriate Words list.
Do feel free to reach out in case you need anything else or have any other queries. ♥️ 🫰
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 6, 2024 at 2:58 AM
Thank you, I will for sure. 🤗🍬
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 3, 2024 at 5:51 AM
Although the weather forecast was rain with windy gusts, the landing was smooth after the usual and so common few initial bumps.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 9:31 PM
Kingspreading in Joseon era, JJS version. 🤣
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 18, 2024 at 7:13 PM
Captivating the King
Happy to report that I have not come across any complaints about the various eye accesories that were used to disguise Hee-soo’s partner in crime. Well done!
lynnB
February 22, 2024 at 11:21 PM
I am curious though… is that last one a scrunchy or head band?
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 23, 2024 at 2:34 AM
I don’t know 🤣🤣🤣
I just found it ridicoulous funny. I don’t get it why they are so puffy. I don’t even know if is alike those times, tried to research it but couldn’t find anything.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 6:43 AM
For those that watched already ep.8 of Captivating The King…I feel that we were robbed a little from what it was already a great ending scene after watching a video from BTS. More so JJS. How can someone cut this? Seriously…I would be pissed in his place.
https://blog.kakaocdn.net/dn/bqK3X4/btsELrwQ3RI/Ukq0IIiBmhDKMk8CzUYENK/img.gif
P.S. Link: BTS scene from the ending of ep. 8
zindigo
February 12, 2024 at 10:23 AM
I’m pretty sure I saw that clip in the version I watched…
zindigo
February 12, 2024 at 10:29 AM
Ok, I watched both and, while similar, you’re right, it’s not there in the final version. It’s definitely a bit better than what they left in. No hardship going through that review btw 😂
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 11:41 AM
🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for that laugh, I went through it myself because I didn’t notice his jaw drop as he moves on to the right in the original and the whole process was…very entertaining, indeed. The clip shows more of a raw emotion, his “hunger” and it went hand in hand with the whole missing her, her coming on to him and, to be franlkly, not having any, if we are to believe what they are telling us, for the past three years. I mean, he rrally took a bite at the end 🤣
zindigo
February 12, 2024 at 9:47 PM
😂 Your analysis, of course, is spot on. I may have to review again… 😂
angelshadows50
February 16, 2024 at 2:50 PM
Sadly, I can’t open this link …. 😞
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 11, 2024 at 4:39 AM
CAPTIVATING THE KING
This show knows how to end an episode. And how to start one, also. 🔥🎆🧨