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My Lovely Liar: Episodes 3-4

Our heroine values honesty above all else, but it turns out the truth isn’t quite as simple as “not a lie.” So when our reclusive composer’s apparent honesty overturns her expectations, she’s both confused and deeply curious about what exactly he may or may not be hiding.

 
EPISODES 3-4

When Do-ha catches Sol-hee removing his mask, all Sol-hee can muster is a small bow and a quiet “Hello…” Shaken, he takes off to spend the night in a hotel, and she searches him up online, cringing over assumptions she’s made about him.

Do-ha’s hotel stay comes to a swift end the next day when he’s caught in a crowd of reporters (they’re here for a different celebrity, but the camera flashes and jostling send him into a flashback-induced panic attack). So back to his temporary home he goes, and Sol-hee just happens to exit the building right when he arrives. After he fails to hide behind the taxi (lol), Sol-hee apologizes for the unmasking.

He’s kept her literally at arm’s length throughout the conversation, but steps protectively in front of her when a desperate-looking man runs up begging to borrow a phone. Do-ha gawks as Sol-hee readily offers the guy hers, along with cash (from Do-ha’s wallet) for a taxi — she, of course, can tell this isn’t a scam, but Do-ha just shakes his head at how naively trusting she appears to be.

From there, little chance encounters continue to nudge them closer together. Like when Sol-hee’s mom drops by asking for money, but mistakenly knocks on Do-ha’s door instead. He overhears her mom accusing her of ruining their family — nine-year-old Sol-hee had innocently offered to help a victim of her mother’s real estate scam, only for the woman to run off with ALL of their money instead of just the amount she’d lost — and having a mother who’s afraid of you is something Do-ha is all too familiar with. When he and Sol-hee end up on their respective balconies that night, he commiserates with her about messy families.

On another night, Sol-hee finds herself at the jazz bar where Do-ha plays piano. While she immerses herself in the music, the gold-digging cheater from last week approaches and gets increasingly threatening. Do-ha again steps in front of her, and since she’s almost too drunk to function, he drives her home — not realizing until she points it out that he’s forgotten his mask.

On the way back, she insists on stopping for hangover soup, sweetly seating him with his back to the room so he’ll feel comfortable enough to eat. But trouble is waiting at their apartment building in the form of two reporters. Now it’s Sol-hee’s turn to protect Do-ha, which she does by bunny-hopping in front of him to hide his face and dragging him into her apartment to hide as the reporters camp out in the hallway.

Awkward cuteness ensues. Do-ha finally learns Sol-hee’s name, and since he doesn’t know she knows he’s Kim Do-ha, he gives her his real name, Kim Seung-joo. Sol-hee was prepared to accept a fake name, so it takes her a second to register that her lie alert didn’t go off. That, combined with Master’s Sun on the TV — in which the hero’s touch neutralizes the heroine’s ghost-seeing abilities — piques her curiosity. Does he never lie (“Everyone lies,” he says), or can she not detect his lies specifically?

Over the next several days, she tries everything she can think of to coax a lie out of him, from prying into his career (Deuk-chan answers for him) to asking outright for him to lie that she’s pretty (Do-ha: “You kind of are, though…”).

They won’t admit it yet, but these two are quickly developing an adorable fondness for each other. Except things get complicated for Sol-hee because an old flame reappears: Kang-min, the police officer we saw last week. He and Sol-hee were briefly engaged (we get glimpses of a magically beautiful proposal) before something happened and he started lying to her.

That’s her #1 dealbreaker, and they haven’t had contact in years — until now, when he transfers to the police station in her neighborhood. On purpose, because he wanted to apologize and knew she’d never meet up with him unless it was by “coincidence.”

The first time they meet, it is by coincidence, as he’s called to deal with the reporters who cornered Do-ha in Sol-hee’s apartment. But then Kang-min seeks her out at the tarot café at closing, and much as I want to like him (he seems genuine), there’s something slightly unsettling about it all. And yet again, Do-ha is there to step between them. Sol-hee lies that he’s her boyfriend, and he plays along, walking her home hand-in-hand just to be safe.

Meanwhile, Do-ha is dealing with a complicated relationship of his own. Or, rather, the relationship Sha-on wants to have with him. He’s been in her corner since before her debut, and now she’s desperate for his attention. When she exaggerates a dance injury to gain sympathy points, Do-ha realizes things have gone too far and talks to Deuk-chan about no longer writing exclusively for her.

Sha-on takes the news hard. She calls Do-ha to say goodbye, and it’s so similar to what happened with his ex-girlfriend, who threatened (and perhaps succeeded?) to kill herself when he broke up with her, that Do-ha panics. Sol-hee drives him to the beach where Sha-on is wading into the waves, and Do-ha wordlessly drags Sha-on out of the water and carries her to the car. Sha-on pouts when she sees Sol-hee, who chooses not to say anything when Sha-on’s pointed “I wanted to die” pings as falsehood.

After handing Sha-on off to her manager, Do-ha falls asleep, dreaming about his past interrogation when the officer screamed at him to confess. As Sol-hee tries to wake him up, he murmurs, “I didn’t kill her.” And there it is: the lie Sol-hee has been waiting for.

If there’s one thing this week hammered home, it’s that Sol-hee’s lie detection itself can be misleading. Her clients’ boyfriend was lying about being busy with work and cagey about marriage… because he was planning a surprise proposal. Do-ha dodges risky questions by giving technically true but vague answers. Nonverbal cues (like nodding in agreement with someone else’s lies) don’t have any effect on her at all. So I imagine Do-ha’s “lie” is more a case of him believing he’s responsible for the girl’s death, and not what it sounds like to Sol-hee. He considers it a lie, the words ping as false — but the truth may be a lot more complicated.

I’m also really interested in the conversation the show seems to be setting up about the dangers of being so wrapped up in another person that you can’t seem to exist separately from them anymore. Do-ha’s professional relationship with Sha-on was (and in some ways still is) supportive and sweet, but he’s right that its exclusivity, especially on her part, is unhealthy. Sentiments like “You’re all I have/need” are often romanticized in life and in Dramaland, so I appreciate that My Lovely Liar appears to be steering away from that in favor of building a relationship where the two people have support systems and interests both shared with and separate from each other.

 
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Sol-hee loves truth but the world is not black or white. She didn't ask the truth, she just thought it's a lie, it's bad. But she's the biggest liar. She was thinking to marry someone who doesn't know her real activity. I understand her mother accusing her of ruining their family made her not ready to tell her secret. The mother is the worst. But it's different in this case. He was the man of life in theory and she lied. And she lied about the boyfriend (but at least it's to watch her with Do-Ha).

Do-Ha is the worst at hidding... He's obvious in eberything he does. But I like the fact he doesn't lie but just doesn't tell all the truth. I was surprised his real name wasn't seen in her research as the son of politician or the suspect in a murder.

Yunayaaa is worst in this drama. At least she was kinda funny in Shooting Stars. But suicide blackmail is bad.

I need a first role for my Ji-Hoon.

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I like that Yunayaaa is still how we're calling her xD I can hear the voice of the manager.

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I don't think Sol-hee necessarily values truth over lies nor does she necessarily believe the world is black and white. She lives with a ringing sound in her ears to the constant lies (no matter how small) that people tell and it wears her out. We can see how little Sol-hee actually reacts with pain when the bell rings to the lies of the lady. She prefers to surround herself with people who speak little to no lies because its a more peaceful world for her. Her truth seeking abilities are clearly for the sake of money and she did mention that a few times last week. I don't think she explicitly lied to her boyfriend about her job but more like would he really believe her to be not crazy if she said that. In fact even after she tells him about hearing lies when she broke up he didn't actually believe her, we can see in their reunion he's still thinking of her tarot profession. I don't believe she can be blamed for ruining the family as a child because she reacted to what she believed was right and anyways the mother scamming people is wrong but Sol-hee was too young to understand the consequences of revealing the truth to a stranger.

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I also think Sol-hee thinks of herself as a truth seeker simply because she can hear lies. She also thinks its also fair for her to use small lies since she knows in her head that those lies aren't real but she can't apply that same sentiment to others because she can't read minds only hear their words.

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She didn't really let him a chance. First, let's break up then oh by the way i hear the lies, finally goodbye.

She never took the time to tell him the truth because she wasn't confident. It's sad, he's a cop, they would have made a good team :p

If now, she's starting to realize how her power can be tricky, in the past, she seemed to see everything in black and white, a relationship ends when there is a lie.

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She may have walked away from that conversation but he was the one who walked away from her life without even trying to win her back. Besides, what we see in that scene is just one small conversation which must have built up over weeks of him lying to her over and over. That's not okay in any relationship and whatever the circumstances were that forced him to lie the fact remains he chose not to share his burdens with her and that would not have been a happy marriage or relationship even if she couldn't hear lies. I'm not sad about them breaking up but yes Seo ji-hoon was amazing in the small scenes he's had so far and I loved the cute proposal scene and wish it had been longer.

Sol-hee might not be oblivious to the loopholes in her power but it was the declaration by the client who chose to believe in her boyfriend over Sol-hee that shook her. She believed in his sincerity rather than the lies he apparently spoke in that conversation and Sol-hee was taken aback that her faith in boyfriend was actually worth it because he did love her. Sol-hee didn't think the boyfriend was wrong to lie to her for preparing the surprise when she figured out the scenario. Which is why I don't fully believe she only looks at the world as black and white but like I said she can't read minds so its easier for her to believe in the words that she hears and add her own interpretation to it.

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I'm speaking about what we know now.

We know nothing about their relationship but she talked about past days, not like he was always lying to her. And we don't know yet why he left suddenly.

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That's my point. She said it herself that he's been lying to her for a while and that's why she finally she decided to pull the plug. That conversation was her giving him one last chance to be truthful. It was a fair breakup she didn't deserve to be treated that way. He should have told her honestly what the situation was.

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They both lied to each other and the both of them don't know why the other lied. They're both guilty in their break-up. But she was the one who gave him back the ring and left and he didn't stop her.

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"She may have walked away from that conversation but he was the one who walked away from her life without even trying to win her back."

This! I know we don't know a lot of exactly what went down, but even if he has a valid reason for doing so, I think you're spot on in pointing out that he's at fault too for also just quitting cold turkey after they had that fight - especially because it was clear she was upset he wouldn't answer her question about marriage nor resolve the questions she had about what he was actually doing.

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@lapislazulii Exactly its clear that his lies were making her increasingly miserable and as someone who yearns for love its understandable why she jumped to the worst conclusion. Especially since he never gives her a clear response. The lack of communication between them (for whatever reason) is clearly visible and I don't fault her for breaking up with him at that point. Its also what has colored her view about romantic relationships and why she went into that proposal scene with a possible bias against the fiance.

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I originally put this on my Watchlist because I'm semi-interested in AoS cast members (Hwang Min) but once I found out Ji-hoon would be in the drama, my heart sank - another SML role. 😢😢 And although I knew Yunayaaa would be in the drama, I didn't recognize her at first.

Early press releases on the drama explain Ji-hoons character, but since they are keeping it a secret in the drama for now, I'll suffer through the angst, except to say there is a good reason why Mr. Puppy Eyes was chosen for the role.

Meanwhile, must wait for Ji Hoon's first main role in King of Saju

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Why can't he just be a jazz pianist (who studied classically, lmao?). Why does this have to be 1/3 idol drama. I don't LIKE idol dramas*. 😂😂😂
Jazz >>>>>>>>

(*not written by me and exception/s not included)

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for real! jazz pianist is so much cooler. and maybe shaon couldve been jazz singer? 😆

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Sha-on lacks the class!

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I guess you can’t be rich by just being a jazz pianist, plus again being musician is somewhat closer to real Minhyun probably

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Why on earth couldn't you be rich being a famous jazz pianist?
And he could still write music. Doesn't have to be for the idol world, even if that IS lucrative.

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Actually, for that matter, I'm not convinced "Rich" factors into his character enough for him to be making the exact amount of money as this version to even be an issue.
Writing out the idol side would require plenty of other changes too.
None of which I would have a problem with leaving behind. 😂

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Then I have another idea, they have too much respect to jazz singers to make Shaon a jazz singer, cuz she is so shallow, doesn’t have sophistication required, plus they probably are targeting young generation and Minhyun/Nuest fans, so thought including idol and K-pop will make it more appealing, I think too much into it 😁

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Lol! I mean yes, the questions posed initially were rhetorical.
I just think jazz would more interesting as a focal point, and don't like either idol side of it whether it's there for a justifiable reason or not, and don't like how Korea writes idol dramas anyway. 😅😂

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But jazz is the focal point. It’s where all the love and real humanity is. It’s where everyone can be themselves.

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@attiton
I am going to a Pedant (as usual) and say I disagree.
A potential thematic core or motif perhaps, yes, but not the focal point of the drama, or even the focal point of the music side; we do not spend nearly enough time on it for it to be that.
Indeed, we have not even spent enough time on it, nor paid it enough attention (focus) yet for it to be a proper thematic motif. 🤭

The show is, alas, too busy with its too many other moving parts.

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The only important places in the world are where you can express yourself freely and where you forget to wear your mask.

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@attition
If it develops that part of the show more, and allows that to be a recurring theme properly, and for jazz to facilitate the motif, I'm on board with it.
For truth, freedom and expression to prevail over constraint and lies, is a valuable Thematic direction, and it already has the narrative devices set up for it, that I will concede to you: jazz vs kpop, masks vs not, hiding vs being known, etc etc.

But the show hasn't earnt jazz being a "Focal Point" in my opinion yet. It needs to do MORE. We've had one scene where I have felt that that was really the purpose of the scene, and the facilitated thematic purpose, that Jazz was this escape for her (and so in parallel for him), a peace, a quiet that is not quiet.

So I stand by what I said previously.
I also think it still has too many moving parts to really deliver on that thematic nuance in a way I will find satisfying.

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(I forgot a scene, but it was half a scene, so 1.5 scenes, where they've used Jazz for that thematic purpose properly.)

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@attiton I'm sorry I'm still talking 🤣

And, even if they DID develop it well, it STILL wouldn't be the focal point, it would just be a narrative device and a central thematic motif/metaphor/whatever you wanna call it!
The focal point, thematically, would still be Truth vs Lies first, and literally, about whatever gets the most screentime, and whatever the plot is about, which is still not Jazz! Which is what I meant originally. 😂😂😂

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The only important places in the world are where you can express yourself freely and where you forget to wear your mask.

This is me agreeing with you, saying that the drama is about truth vs. lies. Jazz is where truth happens musically and, so far, environmentally.

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Lol! I gotcha! Just think of my replies as thematic rambles~ ;)

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Unless you are at the level of Chick Corea, that is rather hard! :-D

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I found the fact that he’s a jazz pianist who studied classical music funny too but I don’t think many people get it. 😅

I guess it would kinda make sense to think that he just got pushed into being a pop composer because he couldn’t do anything else especially if he’s trying to hide himself like that (and kpop is very relevant in the k world right now lol). Also, it’s more convenient for him to be closely associated with a popular idol to really drive the plot about the public’s interest in his identity and everyone trying to violate his privacy.

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Kekekeke Right?? Where's THAT drama 🤭🤭

Again, there doesn't actually have to be a realistic reason for it. 🤣
I just don't like the idol side of the drama, and I don't like idol dramas, and I could do without it, personally. Would that require other changes to make the story work? Sure. Would be impossible? No. Would I mind? Not in the slightest.
But then I like this drama a lot less than the average viewer and could do without a lot of other things also; I'm not particularly attached to any of it to overly justify its existence.

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Honestly though, before the drama I had no idea Minhyun is so good in piano, he definitely is one of those kids who had no childhood probably, school, music and sports

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Current KPop can be VERY sophisticated... sometimes. I recall hearing an IU song some years back and thinking 'Now she's singing German Lieder music!'

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He is a Jazz pianist who has studied classical music and is a famous K-pop composer (whom Idols chase to write music) and is a sort of super rich. This is now sounding like the plot of those Chinese novels written by amateur writers. (Hacker and medical genius heroine who is also a kung fu master)

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This writer LOVES idols, her last drama was even more idol-centered

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I quite liked our second two episodes. They were both funny (oh that bizarre trampoline assist jump 😂) and heartfelt. The ML’s growth arc was clear from the get-go but I appreciate now the FL also has something to learn. I didn’t think our 2ML was suspicious in any way; I think his arc is gonna be sad, and so am I. (I can hear you laughing Seon-ha).

I thought we were going with “she fell first” awfully quickly so I liked the brakes on that at the ending. And it ties in nicely with FL’s arc re her abilities. And I don’t mind the mystery in this rom-com since they’ve integrated it from the get-go.

Show has nicely passed my four episode test.

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Hmm. Beanies are not fond of 2ML. While his behavior was unacceptable, I think he’s going to be guilty of noble idiocy or something nuanced that FL’s lie-dar couldn’t discern. There’s just something sad and suffering about him. But early days.

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I like the SML (and not only because he is Seo Ji Hoon, who is so handsome... 😅). I think the same as you, there was a misunderdstanding in the past, FL thought he didn't love her anymore... But we already know that she sometimes misreads the "lies" (and she knows it too).

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Oh thank god I’m not the only one finding him appealing. Is he another idol? He’s definitely the better actor.

Hopefully, they’ll give an awful turn to his character so I won’t get SLS. 😂 Thankfully I also like the ML’s character and his budding romance with FL. She’s adorable. No chance of SLS with the 2FL so far.

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Right now I'm having SML, I admit it (and that's not something that usually happens to me), and I don't want him to be mean or to have a dark side, I want him to be a nice person, as it seems.
But that doesn't mean I dislike the ML, not at all. He is cute :)

Seo Ji Hoon is not an idol, as far as I know. You can see him as the swoony ML in Seasons of Blossom (I loved that drama) and as SML in other shows.

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SML acts really well. I almost had SLS watching him watching and talking to FL. My better judgment told me not to, though, given what he had done to her in the past.

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That proposal scene was so cute and that scene outside Seol hee's apartment when he said "i missed you" to her gave me feels lol.

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I don't dislike him the way some Beanies do, but I'm pretty far away from SLS too. I'm sure there were extenuating circumstances in the past, and it's all going to be sad but way too late when Sol-hee finds out about the whole situation in the present. And it does seem like he could have made different decisions at the time if he didn't want to lose her completely. But we'll have to see!

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I agree, love him and what they had was so cute and pure but I'm not getting any SLS. Do-ha and Sol-hee to me are the present and in this current present they seem better suited for each other.

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I like 2ML too. Just catching up on this. Not to add a spoiler, but from reading about the character in Wikipedia, it looks like there is a good reason for what he did

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I have deleted it now. But it was already there when they announced him as the leads.

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@kimjojo21 - Thanks, I've deleted my cranky outburst, too.

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It seems to me the opposite--the 2ML often gets way too much love from commentators here. Speaking for myself, its not the second male lead but the love triangle trope that bothers me, especially when the second male lead is so often a policeman. But that's because of a trauma in my childhood.

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Not laughing…I am empathetic.

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You are gracious indeed. I think the problem here is that ML is no Vampie. Hoping he ups his game.

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HAHAHA this should could've been a 10/10 if that was the case 😂 Could you imagine the chaos of vampire ML who is determined to hide and an FL with the superpower of truth/lie discerning determined to figure out what his deal is. But also now that I say it, he is quite very vampire coded if you think about it - with the wearing black, living in the dark, avoiding everyone and everything all the time, closed off aura.....

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He is a very competent actor. He has been playing supporting role for a long time so, I am not surprised if he came off as a better actor compared to ML ( who is still quite green).

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I love the leads together. Not many shows have made me swoon, but this one has. The leads have something to learn from the other, and they are learning perfectly well. They are more like good friends right now, and I’m sure this is a good foundation for a solid relationship, whichever form it takes.

I agree with the recapper that there is something fishy about the policeman. He broke off the engagement, and moved away right after that without giving her any explanation. That is a deal breaker in my book, as well as hers or anyone’s, apparently. The thing ML said was also right, “Why is he trying to meet you even after you told him you didn’t want to meet him anymore?”. There is something unsettling about this person.

I never liked KSH before. Her work never impressed me. But this one, THIS ONE, I think she is so natural here. The ML might look a bit green for me, but for me he’s just perfect. Their chemistry is so good, something I think often lacks in many dramas these days. I look forward to their stories in the next episodes.

And yes, I love their conversation about forever love. If I’m not mistaken, the ML said he didn’t think one could love the other forever as there were a lot of uncontrollable factors. I think he has a good point there, though I don’t think I agree with him. What I want to say is that I agree with @elinor that this show is extending in interesting directions while is still able to keep the old school feels to it.

I’m liking this one so far. 😇😊☺️

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*The ML might look a bit green for some

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He is definitely green BUT when I compare his Kim Doha to his Seo Yul in Alchemy of Souls, I can say I'm super impressed. No offense to anyone, but I barely saw ANY change of expression in Yul. I think @mayhemf said he is showing 2.5 expressions here but after this set of episodes I think it's at least 4 expressions (don't ask me to describe them though :P)
Anyways, he has good chemistry with Kim Sohyun and I like his character so it's all working well together in my opinion.
However, I need Kim Sohyun and Seo Jihoon in another cute drama ASAP.

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Agree on the 4! He even managed to look shocked 😅 and that shocked me.

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Shocks all around 😂😂
I mean, he even snapped at Shaon! Which was super cathartic. I did not expect him to have arranged a separate car for her! That was a good spot of writing. Never seen a drama lead cut off the obsessive second lead so strongly before. Very glad for him and Solhee that he didn't stand for that girl's gaslighting (please let's get her therapy).

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Well, it is his first role without special or lots of training, so I believe he will be fine with time, shy people are usually great at acting and adopting different pet personalities

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I'm always ready to defend BOTH of Seo Yul's expressions 🤣, and I'm trying not to be cynical about the mask covering Minhyun’s limited acting skills, but I didn't have super high hopes for him here. He's doing OK so far, but KSH is, as predicted, acting rings around him - without overacting or showing him up. So far he's showing a bit more range than previously but his physical acting (that secret agent spoof!) is more impressive than his ability to convey emotions with his face. It will feel like the sun coming out if we get to see a broad, genuine smile at some point.

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I wanted to see Sohyun with Jihoon for a long time but not as a SL, as we all know the fate of SL in kdrama. I hope they get reunited soon as leads.

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Completely agree with KSH & some of her previous works hence it was why I was on the fence on starting this drama but after going through eps 1-4 it wasn't too bad. She has improved quite abit.
Looking forward to the rest of the eps!

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Well he sold the beach scene for me. Minhyun acts more with his eyes but i feel his potential shows more when the scene is actually emotional.

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I can’t say I really loved ep 3 and 4, I mean show me Minhyun and I will sit for an hour like rabbit before the snake or snake at the sound of the flute, but to me several things are not quite believable, Kim So Hyun being engaged and planning to get married, not really aligns with what I thought of her character, plus she looks no older than 20, I don’t remember how old she is actually, but so young, but ok, that getting drunk and getting in trouble and conveniently saved by hot neighbor, ok, it is every drama’s staple, I can live with it, also, I was gonna say I wish I had hot neighbor that had to be stuck in my apartment too, but then imagined that my apartment would be awful mess, I prefer not to 😂, Shaon the singer is so annoying, she is the one of the most famous solo singer in Korea, but she is so immature and spoilt, I wonder how she is still on the top, no matter how good are the songs Do Ha writes for her, she lacks any depth, plus with her being that famous I don’t think some thugs would approach her to date like it was shown, I liked the actress who played the mother, she was good, that’s an experienced actor to you, she had so much presence even in few minutes she was on screen, policeman boyfriend has not impressed me so far and I am definitely not having even a hint of SLS. Good thing is Minhyun of course, he might be green but he chose good drama that suits his character, and his acting is better that some other idol actors (L and Eunwoo, I am looking at you) and I don’t even want to remember the abomination that was Lee Sungeyol in Numbers, he just shouldn’t have picked up such a complicated character to play, so Minhyun is treading lightly, and I think it is very smart of him, and in the end, some more of me swooning over Minhyun, he looks so good in anything he wears, such a stature, such a posture, and he also can play piano and peal apples, such a treasure, his face is so interesting, like take it apart and nothing impressive, but damn his soulful eyes, damn his cheeks, ok, I will stop now, tbh I have never even been much of a fan of him.

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“ his face is so interesting, like take it apart and nothing impressive”

For real? Minhyun is younger than me by around half a decade but damn his pouty lips. 😚 Soo jealous and 😳 at the same time!

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Yes, I maybe worded it wrong, but I just can’t pintpoint his visual for me, like he is handsome, but also you can say he is plain? I don’t really know how to explain, I am pretty sure in Nuest when they debuted I didn’t take interest because they were so young and I don’t think any of them impressed me visually that much, is it that he grew into his features or is it me being hypnotized?

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I know he is the type of visual Koreans love but he is just plain to me. He seems like a nice guy though.

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I don’t remember much talk about his visuals and him in general before he hit big in Produce 101, and it was not for his face, but for his ability to put together the best team ever

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All good! This is subjective anyway. I’d watch Minhyun do the lamest things (he’s done a lot) and I’d still swoon. I love how naturally handsome and graceful yet dorky he is and looks amazing even bare faced 🥲

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He is just my type. Really. I can look at him all day everyday. Being reserved, reclusive, and all.

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Same though, he is a fine man, it is not only his face, amazing skin btw, he also has height, nice body, really a perfect human being

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@lecintel sorry if it sounded otherwise but I wasn't commenting on his produce 101 days (which I don't know anything about). I'm just talking about how I perceive him in his acting roles. It is only my opinion and I don't mean anything bad by it. I still like him as Kim Doha as I think he suits the role.

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Hmm I think the script choice was good for him as it kinda goes with his personality, introverted & a bit reserved. And yeah, his acting is better than certain idol actors as u mentioned.

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That would make sense. He’s playing himself, Yul, Do-ha. The real test will come if he’s asked to stretch his range. But so far, he’s perfectly fine for a lightweight rom-com.

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I have not seen him in Alchemy of Souls, so yes, the real test will come when he would need to show range of emotions, I trust him to do well though, really want him to succeed as an actor

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I'm rooting for him ,too. His idol life was pretty messed up, so I hope he does well as an actor. He has to go a long way though.

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this is so true lol when doha opens his fridge to put the coke and they are all perfectly aligned.. that screamed minhyun lol I like how they did doha related to music, but not a celebrity. we now can even see minhyun playing the piano too

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Yeah I found out that he is such organized in the recent Suchwita episode 😁

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Even during his Wanna One era they showed how he loves when everything is clean and organized, was it not him when everyone came to the dorm on something and we’re all running around and he was like “Everyone, take off your shoes!!!”, he put me to shame when I saw him in I live alone, everything so neat and clean, even his walk-in wardrobe, trust me to have everything in mess, lol

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And what you said about his idol life, it also is one thing why I have soft spot for him, Nuest we’re so young when they debuted, I remember how Yebosseo was pretty catchy and thought they would do fine, though it wasn’t my kind of music, sadly till Produce they didn’t hit big, but he was so good in Wanna One

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The guy is just an ideal man

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And poor Eunwoo!😅 I get that he didn’t do any better in his tsundere roles but he has grown so much I hope you give him a try again! Liked him enough in Rookie Historian and he delivered so much in Island.

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Don’t worry, I wine about L all the time, but I like him and hoping he will improve some day, I don’t hate Eunwoo tbh, his face is so pleasing, glad to know he is getting better, I will wait till his new project

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I liked that they addressed the flaw in her lie detecting system. Once we recognize a lie, we assume the plausible opposite to be the truth. But a lie has many contexts & is rather complex than it appears to be.

Also, what got into Doha that night? He kept forgetting his mask lol. ( Ik it was for the sake of the plot, but he seems so accustomed with his mask that I wonder how come he didn't feel something was missing until she pointed it out.)

This show seems to have potential ( both in lead's chemistry & plot ). Excited to see where it leads to.

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Yes, thanks for pointing that out, life can’t be black and white, and now we see her gift is also her curse, as when you are lied to you feel betrayed, and you don’t know the motives in her case, I love how Do Ha for her is so difficult to decipher) And that cute scene when Do Ha didn’t want her to think he is unemployed, cute)

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Ah yes, subconsciously he wants to look cool in front of her 🤭

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And I find that is very cute from a reserved, quiet guy.

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While a part of me does think the show is treading the line on possibly having one too many subplots, I am enjoying this quite a bit. Sol-hee and Do-ha (or should we say Seung-joo?) have such perfect chemistry and their every interaction is just lightning in a bottle. The scene at the restaurant... I was swooning by the end. Ugh, they're so cute!

On the other hand, I am not a fan of the second leads in the slightest. Sha-on, for obvious reasons. She's a grown ass woman and one of the country's top celebrities, but is obsessively infatuated with her colleague to the point of sabotaging her stage performances, going out in the middle of the night to stalk him, and then faking a suicide attempt. That's beyond entitled, bratty behaviour - it's criminal. Methinks she needs serious mental health counselling. As for Kang-min, idk. I can't say I find him outright suspicious yet, but I'm also not at all endeared towards him. While it's true that Sol-hee was apparently paranoid and unable to trust him, it's also true that he evaded all her questions and seemed to have done nothing to dissuade her of her assumptions and try to save their engagement. That, to me, is the real red flag in that relationship. Him showing up after years of silence and trying to manufacture a 'coincidental' meeting is just gross to me. I would feel angry and gaslighted if I ever found out a partner or ex-partner of mine did something like that. It feels creepy and violating to me and I don't want him around Sol-hee. And even without all that baggage, I just won't succumb to second lead syndrome here. Our leads are too damn good together. Sucks for Seo Ji-hoon, I guess, but that's the way I like it.

A rarity for me, but I actually rather like how they've incorporated murder mystery elements relatively smoothly. Yes, I know we all hate the unnecessary darkness forced into our romcoms, but this one (so far!! pls don't betray me, show) has made it into an integral part of the male lead's characterization and past in a manner that doesn't feel unnatural. Now, all the writer has to do is keep that up and my god, I hope against all odds that they do. I already love our OTP too much for it to not hurt me if the tower comes crashing down by the end.

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True. The murder mystery doesn't seem forced & I'm liking it this way. Hope they keep it up.

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It was so weird that Sol-hee looked touched to hear he moved to the neighbourhood for her. That's not sweet! That's properly creepy!

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I like the mystery too! It doesn't feel like it was dropped into this drama from another one and it's nicely incorporated with the ML's characterization, and both leads' previous connection, so I'm here for it. Hopefully it continues to be relevant but not the entire story!

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I agree with you. The murder mystery plot is incorporated well in the sense that it really challenges the limits and context under which our heroine hears the lies. I also really liked our leads and how they both have a hard time with things and have learnt to accept that but seem to be providing each other comfort and respite.

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I agree they've made good use of the mystery elements by writing it directly into the background of the male lead and how the female lead can effectively use her powers to both help and heal him from the trauma of that past.

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Let's just hope the SML is not an undercover agent that cannot reveal the nature of his mission because she is not his family member. Similar to you, I am actually interested in the murder mystery element; however, whether this plot can hold my interest for 16 episodes is yet to be seen. The first 4 episodes have been very solid in introducing the setup and characters but the real challenge for any drama starts from here on.

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So happy that the show is getting so much love here! I don’t know how else I can say that I am so in love with it right now! Haven’t felt like this since Alchemy of Souls S1!

I really love how all the aspects of this drama are no nicely interwoven and natural so even the cliches and tropey ones don’t feel forced. I love how FL seemed OP in the beginning but learned in these episodes that she still has so much to learn and I wonder what she’ll think of Doha now since she initially thought that her powers weren’t working.

Minhyun too of course! He’s just too gorgeous and we all know he still has a long way to go in terms of acting but I love how he suits the role. He’s been picking great dramas from AoS to this. He’s also confirmed in Study Group and I know he’ll kill the action scenes there. So excited for all the opportunities he’s getting!

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*so nicely interwoven.

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I read that he will be in Study Group, as I understand based on webtoon or anime, but didn’t know there would be action scenes, do you know if Minhyun did taekwondo or something? Him being from Busan, I would think so

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Well, Study Group is an action manhwa so there should be loads! :) I’m not sure but I think I’ve seen some taekwondo photos from his childhood before? In AoS though, he said he was comfortable to do the action scenes because he danced a lot as an idol.

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Minhyun once said that he auditioned for a different role in AoS, but they decided they wanted him for Yul - partly because of his introverted personality but also - and significantly - because of his dance/athletic background. There is a video out there from when he and In-soo first began to train for the stunts in AoS.

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as a long time minhyun fan, its so nice to see his acting career grow. still sad nuest is over, but at least he seems to be getting what he wanted from a solo artist.

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Side note: I just realized you are new here (or at least new to commenting)! Welcome!

I also loved AoS and him in it. And if the fun secret agent sequence in the first week was any indication, he'll do great in an action role! I agree that he's not blowing me away with his acting or anything, but I think what he's doing is working with this character, and I certainly don't find his acting distracting at all.

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Yes, welcome! And I know I'm watching Minhyun more closely and critically than I would another actor because there's been SO much humorous commentary, especially during/right after AoS, about his limited expressions. I've been judging every scene - does he have an expression? What is it? Is it distinguishable from others? Was that the hint of a smile? It's not really fair (or enjoyable) to watch the whole show through that lens; he's well cast in this and doing fine.

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What about his ability to portray different physical types? Based on his portrayal of a sensitive, somewhat frail, physically traumatized mage in Alchemy, I've been impressed by his range, in portraying a sensitive, somewhat frail, psychologically traumatized musician. That's some acting, right there! (Nonetheless I am enjoying this show, and he's fine for the role.)

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I think Minhyun fans here need a support group -me included. What is wrong with having limited expressions?!? He looks so good and charming with the 4 expressions (referring to above comments) he has!

Omoni!!! 🤣🤣🤣

On a more serious note, I didn’t think it was out of his character at all to have only a couple of expressions. He is traumatized, likes to work alone, avoids people. I love that the bunny-hopping FL will make him become more relaxed and bold in expressing his emotions. And we WILL get to see his bright smiles, hopefully soon.

I love that the relationship between them seems to make his and her life better.

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Omo! I was late to the AoS party, but had I been there I’d have defended him and his character! 😭 I LOVED Yul in AoS. Probably the character I liked the most. So cute and charming. 🥰

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Can’t reply to your comment above so I’m here! I completely agree - how else should a very calm and collected genius noble act? Or a traumatized recluse that eats unseasoned microwaved whatever it is? We’re not asking anyone to give him acting awards. Some people just want to be hateful and rude. I do hope to see Minhyun really grow as an actor though! He is very passionate in what he does and I know he’ll always try to do better.🫶🏻

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Poor Min Hyun. Dusing AoS filming, Jaewook and Insoo would ad-lib constantly but when he attempted, the director said STOP. We don't want you to smile. We want you to be stoic/wooden. (I'm paraphrasing here) I just know that he was frustrated that he was told to follow the script/direction while the other guys were having fun.

My boy is In-soo-- (loving Uncanny Counter 2). Having a hard time investing in this drama but it does have certain charms. (No. 1 being Seo Ji-hoon 😊)

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it his eyes that talks tho! and im actually convinced about his trauma. there's no inconsistently at all in that part. 😆

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Thanks! Been lurking in DB since forever but yeah, just made an account because I wanted to spread more appreciation for Minhyun! And the drama and KSH too 🤗🍑

I’m so distracted though. I rewatch some scenes a lot because his visuals are just 😮‍💨 I hope he gets an OST too but I can be not too greedy if he covers an OST during his concert tour 🤭 He did that in AoS 1 so not impossible but his generosity is endless as he sang his character’s theme in part 2. I love him too much and how he spoils his fans 🥹

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🥳 welcome to the comments section I hope you have fun here.

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I found these two episodes better now that the show has settled into the story and I do like the premise overall.
The female lead is great but I don't think the male lead has the acting ability to be the lead in a show quite yet (I'm probably in the minority from reading the reviews so far).
It feels very uneven in ability with the other actors and doesn't flow well at times.
I know the character is supposed to be a recluse, quiet, withdrawn and is dealing with trauma (half of kdrama characters are written with these traits) but it feels very wooden and lacks any emotional depth. It doesn't help when he takes the mask off as he doesn't have much variation in expression.
Good on him for getting the lead role in such a competitive industry. This may be another case like The Forbidden Marriage where the second lead outshines and acts rings around the lead. 

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You're not alone. Minhyun is very pretty but lacks charisma on screen. There is no depth in his acting.

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I'm watching this drama with an internet friend and we both think the same. Exactly what you said.

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Song Hye Geo made whole career of acting the same everywhere, I would not cast Minhyun away yet, yes, he is green, but I do beleive he has potential

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And she was heavily criticized for it.

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Yes, for two decades, didn't stop her from becoming the powerhouse actress) I am just hoping if Minhyun decides seriously on acting career he will work on his skills, if not, hope he will follow Ho Gyo's steps of being famous, haha

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Minhyun's acting had criticism from Knetz when the drama initially aired. So you're definitely not in the minority. Sadly, some people are just more easy on male actors as long as they have the visuals. The way he delivers his line is pretty good but he needs to work on his expressions and emoting with his eyes. Thankfully his acting style happens to work with the character so it doesn't bother me that much. I feel like the ML and SML should have switched actors though...that would have elevated this drama so much more.

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Well, when it comes to visuals I think plenty of female actresses also get cast because they are loved by knetz or public or considered beautiful, Suzy, IU ( tell me whatever you want she was awful in Scarlet Heart), Song Hye Gyo, Jun Ji Hyun many say is just an Ok actress, Hwang Jung Eum, kept being cast as lead with her awful acting, Gu Hye Sun the most obvious example, never was good in acting, but was so loved before her divorce scandal, Kim Tae Hee, Go Ara,and many more, so I would say many female actresses have it easy as well as they are pretty, male actors get their share of criticism, so I would say let's be fair, knetz are pretty equal when it comes to criticzing acting chops or giving pass to beatiful humans either male or female, in general more viewers are female, maybe that's why you say that males get less criticism, which is also the case.

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I agree with switching the males but even then I don't think Minhyun would be able to convey the subtlety needed for the more emotional scenes. The female leads backstory with the second male lead is so far full of heartbreak, unanswered questions and possibly regret/longing ( SML moved and changed jobs to find her again) The SML is doing a great job with this so far, I don't love him or hate him but I'm curious to find out more.

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These things can be so subjective though - I *loved* the lead in The Forbidden Marriage (admittedly maybe it helped that he was super hot 🔥 I am not immune to such things) and didn’t notice the second lead being a better actor at all.

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True, and thank you for your nice comment) Truly, everything is subjective, I for example don’t get Korean beauty standards sometimes, such as to me Kim So Hyun looks pretty plain, but everyone is praising her visuals, I can’t judge regarding acting chops, people say she is good

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I adore Kim Young-dae, though I don’t think I’ll watch the Forbidden Marriage just for him. I still have sageuk allergy.

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I generally don’t do sageuks (not even fusion/fantasy ones) and it’s the first time I’ve finished one in ages, so I would say don’t let that put you off.

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I don't mind Kim Young-dae, I do think he was miscast in The Forbidden Marriage though.
I personally don't think he has the gravitas to play a king, let alone someone who has been morning the death of his wife for 7 years and is so overcome with grief.
He was fine in the lighter more comedic moments but in the more emotional scenes his acting ability, for me was lacking.
Kim Woo-seok, the 2ML in comparison was amazing with less dialogue and screen time he was able to convey so much more, even just with his eyes.
In the end I wanted him to have the happy ever after with the female lead as I didnt buy the relationship with the two leads.
But, yes as you say beffels - it can be so subjective 😊

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Phew. So relieved that I liked these two episodes. 60% of the drama is fun and those are the KSH parts!

The second lead looks good!

The interaction between the leads also got better. I like that he is the one who is affected by her. The little changes in him are nice to see.

He really needs to leave that Saoh (whatever that artists name is) because she is awful. No girl, blackmailing with suicide is just wrong.

I liked the jazz bar scenes. And the bar owner. And the tarot room scenes.

The ML still looks a bit stiff. But not as bad as the earlier episodes. Glad I can continue!
The premise of lie detection being flawed to form conclusions is interesting.

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Kim so-hyun is so chaotic in this I love her. Her scenes with her mother are still the most fun for me but also kinda sad because how badly she yearns for her affection. The jazz bar owner is a nice sub plot and hopefully he has nothing to do with the ex-girlfriend and her disappearance.

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I don’t think I have seen her so lively in a drama before. She really is working this role and owning every scene she is in. Ngl, with another ML she would have made some scenes even better. I am all for giving people time to improve but I think the ML needed some more practice before being cast as a ML. I already feel 2ML has so much more presence.
My doubt is on the entertainment ceo and the other chap (very sus) regarding the disappearance of the ex.

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She was lively in Bring It On Ghost and Tale of Nokdu. Especially ghost Hyun-ji was just adorable but Sol-hee is crazy and chaotic. Her drunk scenes are insane and the whole car scene was so much fun. Minhyun is definitely not in the same league but its still a marked improvement from what I remember of him in Alchemy. His eyes are quite expressive or rather they are quite sorrowful and match his current character so I'm quite okay with it for now. Its their chemistry and visuals that has me hooked in every scene. Him and Kim so-hyun are so visually stunning together it makes me swoon.

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So she doesn't necessarily perceive lies, just the intent behind the lie. If a person believes themselves to be lying than they are. So she went to the older woman's place and asked her younger lover if he loved her, it was true because he was looking at someone else and saying it about her. When Seung Joo says he killed his ex, it is because he believes it. It looks like her arc is going to be learning to distinguish that context matters in lies and that two things can be true at once. Do Ha and Seung Joo being the same person. The fact that it didn't occur to her that it was a stage name is wild. I am really enjoying this drama, our leads have good chemistry. As for the 2nd leads, the 2FL is trash( I thought we left this in the past, but this and heartbeat are bringing it back), and the 2ML, with his beautiful sad eyes is I'm sure going to have some noble idiocy happening( because men get to be more nuanced than women, sigh).

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This is really helpful - thanks! I was trying to get my head round the final "lie" of Do-ha and why suddenly it would sound a bell, and this sorted it out for me. Which opens up a great arc for our FL - learning to differentiate the true lie from the believed lie, and learning to understand what that means for trusting people.

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I want to strongly believe there will be a redemption arc for Sha-on. Her character might be a bit more layered than we've seen so far.

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I hope so, 2D 2FLs are the worse. It is such lazy writing and I want us to be pass that.

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