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Premiere Watch: The Ghost Detective

 

The Ghost Detective

Time slot: Wednesday & Thursday
Broadcaster: KBS
Genre: Horror thriller
Episode count: 32 (half-hour episodes, 16 hours total)

Reasons to watch: I was a little shocked to see Daniel Choi out of his signature clean-cut, glasses-and-suit look that’s become one with his identity over the years, but let’s just say I’m not above watching a horror drama just to check out scruffy, five-o’clock-shadow Daniel Choi. He’s starring in KBS’s new creepy horror thriller as a private eye who can see ghosts, and deals in special cases involving the paranormal. In all of the teasers for the show he looks like he hasn’t slept in decades and maybe drinks more whiskey than water, but underneath the gritty exterior lies a sharp mind and a whole host of elite credentials, which he uses to crack cases that the police have been unable to solve.

Park Eun-bin plays his plucky assistant who’s come to work for him with a mystery of her own to solve, involving the apparent suicide of her younger sister. Her case, along with many of their key cases, all trace back to the presence of a mysterious woman in red, played by Lee Jia. The drama comes from PD Lee Jae-hoon of workplace comedy Chief Kim and youth mini-drama Page Turner, and writer Han Ji-wan of the kidnapping thriller Wanted. The ghost stuff from the teasers is already enough to creep me out, but I already love the ragtag team of oddballs fighting ghost crime in an office straight out of film noir. Plus, you know… scruffy Daniel Choi.

 
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Def the spookiest teasers I've never seen! 😉 I'd like to see them?

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I see them. But that's because I trained under Yoda for years. I see things that you don't see.

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Plus, you have that third eye.

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Isn't KBS one of the Kocowa partners? I don't see anything at all on Viki that Ghost Detective will be aired in the U.S. It seems 90% of the dramas I'm excited about seeing aren't available on any legit stations. And they wonder why people go to illegal sites.

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If not for the fact that I was gifted a Kocowa subscription (thanks DB!), it would be very hard for me to watch any of these dramas. :\

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Wait - don't I have a Kocowa subscription thru Viki? Do I not get all of Kocowa when I subscribe to Viki/Kocowa? I'm confused.

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Only if you pay extra. Pass plus

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I have Pass Plus. And so far it's been pretty disappointed since most of the extra dramas are sub par.

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I just remembered I had asked either Kocowa or Viki why I wasn't seeing all dramas since I had Pass Plus. They said even if you have Pass Plus it doesn't mean a drama will necessarily be licensed in your country. If I'd known that to begin with...

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I refuse to pay for Pass Plus. There's only one drama locked up behind that I really want to watch anyway and that's Dal-ja’s Spring. I should just try to find somebody who has it to stream on Rabbit so we can all peak behind the Pass Plus curtain LOL.

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Also do you use a VPN? Because I move myself around from country to country for content.

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I do a monthly Viki Pass if they license a cable show I really want to watch live but otherwise I just do First Look or wait the three weeks until episodes are unlocked. Viki Pass Plus just seems like a ripoff.

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Well this is weird. I searched for The Ghost Detective on VIKI, nothing. Nothing in the "Coming Soon" section. Then I searched for Daniel Choi and Ghost Det came up. Clicked on it and the episodes will air in one day. Go figure.

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Maybe they didn't have it at the time but it looks like it is on Viki now:

https://www.viki.com/tv/36181c-the-ghost-detective

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Mostly, yes. Assuming you have Pass Plus. However, there have been a few shows that Kocowa had but Viki didn't get. The Miracle That We Met was only on Kocowa. 17 but 30 went to DramaFever instead of Viki (but with DF video instead of the annoying Kocowa feed with the blurred out sponsors). There may have been others, but those are the ones I am aware of.

So, sadly, it would not be unprecedented if Kocowa has Ghost Detective, but doesn't share with Viki.

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Wow, I didn't know that. I went to the Kocowa site but it seems pretty sparse. So Kocowa doesn't mind if you're paying for Viki/Kocowa but would rather you pay for Kocowa as well?

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Yes I also thought that the advertising for Vicki pass plus clearly stated that they would have all of the Kocowa material and I need to think about not renewing my annual subscription because that's not accurate.

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Thx for the below Daniel Choi/Viki tip...insane! Wonder what other dramas I might be able to get. Viki contact is useless, just get generic reply.

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Kocowa lets you register to watch shows for free, which is what I do. Normally you can watch an episode for free on the day it airs, but if you miss it then you have to wait three weeks for it to become unlocked. It's not ideal, but it meets my needs.

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I mean, if you want to watch a Japanese drama, you basically have no choice but illegal sites. Unless, that is, you're satisfied with the two good ones on Viki.

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Viki is adding more Japanese dramas, but who knows if they're any good.

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They offerings are pretty dismal, but I think JIN is on there (one of my favorite dramas of all time).

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JIN??

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I was so convinced we were getting a whole lot more Japanese dramas on a regular basis when I heard Viki got purchased by Rakuten. That was pure wishful thinking and naivety on my part, obviously licensing for kdramas is more complicated than that.

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An acquaintance and I were discussing which companies are taking over the world. I boycott Amazon and AT&T for instance. He mentioned the Chinese company Rakuten was one of the largest in the world. I laughed. Um, Rakuten is Japanese...he had just assumed it was Chinese.

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Plus, I didn't realize Rakuten was that huge.

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Yes, JIN. The k-drama remake was a mess, but the-jdrama one is great.

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I just use VIU. No use even bothering with Viki or DF for me. Viu makes all content free after 3 days, so its all good for binge-ing.
Sometimes it even makes it available right away like with the HOT special in Infinity Challenge.

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I was a little shocked to see Daniel Choi out of his signature clean-cut, glasses-and-suit look that’s become one with his identity over the years, but let’s just say I’m not above watching a horror drama just to check out scruffy, five-o’clock-shadow Daniel Choi.

Same.

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The World That They Live In is great for this but ofc it is quite old now, like 10 years or something.

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I think there are two more dramas premiering this week: DEVILISH JOY on DramaX and BIG FOREST on TVN

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Thanks for the heads up about DEVILISH JOY. Choi Jin-hyuk is one of my favorites and somehow I missed that DEVILISH JOY is his next project. According to this it appears DramaFever has the license:
https://www.dramafever.com/drama/5227/devilish-joy/
I loved CJH in PRIDE AND PREJUDICE and TUNNEL both heavy crime dramas. DJ is listed as a romantic comedy usually not my genre but I definitely will check it out.

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That premise has me intrigued. How come we didn't really hear much about it? I suppose DB posted about it a long time ago. Plus the trailer of Big Forest looked super interesting too.

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Hi@wapzy wapz. BIG FOREST does look interesting. I also checked out the trailers. This is a listed as a 16 episode tvN series (comedy) with one episode each Friday night. I don't know the episode length but being tvN episodes could run up to 90 minutes I guess.
I noticed that the character played by Joon Sang-hoon will have his given name which is a bit unusual.
I will try to give BF a watch. Things are going to get hectic again.

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Yes that's honestly the only one I am looking upto in the coming batch. But Tvn again so we have no idea if it gets subbed. Iwonder if te other actors have their given names too because if it is being touted as a comedy aka a sitcom too then that's how k- sitcoms go. They don't replace the actor's real name.

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I seem to be picking up shows with the creepy factor. Sometimes by accident. It does not make me braver however ... one area in which the adage 'practice makes perfect' does not seem to apply!!

A crime-mystery is always a lure for me, ghosts make down-to-earth crimes otherworldly and it will be interesting to watch Daniel Choi finally play a different kind of character. 😉

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I just watched the first episode and have a question. Have you watched it yet? Hope this isn't a spoiler, but is he alive or a ghost himself? In the real world he would have died being buried alive. I'm so curious...

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Hi Linda, @linda-palapala
Yes, I watched it. I was thinking that when he was buried in the loose soil, he was still able to breathe, because there's air in the soil and it wasn't compacted around him. When the rain came, the water 'woke him' up and he started sputtering, ie he could breathe. Fortunately it was a very shallow grave and he could just climb out of it.

Gave me the heebie-jeebies when his hand appeared to the tune of 'She'. It was so incongruous to juxtapose that music with that scene.

I was surprised that it was not (yet) as scary as I feared. Maybe slightly chilling, yet not too scary. How did you find it?

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I'm not scared easily, so no, but it was as you said, slightly chilling. Thanks for the explanation of the loose soil - there's always an explanation! Now I feel better. I think I'm gonna like it unless it turns out to be episodic. kdramas don't usually do that thank goodness.

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Well. Now we all know the answer.

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@lumiere LOL, I'm only guessing that what I saw, is really what I wrote!!! We'll see in the next episode!.

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The series isn't getting recapped, it seems? So many points for discussion as we go deeper in. I'm loving the ride, so far. Albeit having to contend with this constant, deep-seated feeling of dread while the hour ticks down each episode, though.

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Well, there, you see, I was right. Reminded me of the Sixth Sense movie. It was confusing because my subtitles read "you can't catch him because he's dead".
The title of the drama is, after, all "The Ghost Detective".

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@linda-palapala and also @lumiere
Turns out you're probably right!!! He looks dead in Ep 2.

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By the way, Daniel Choi appeared on this week's Happy Together without glasses and looking, well - different. Perhaps a sinister-looking handsome, not sure, couldn't put my finger on it. Then, halfway through the show, he had his glasses on and there was the cuddly handsome Teacher Biscuit Daniel Choi I'm used to. Both ways, either way, he's charmingly handsome! Looking forward to Wednesday!

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His glasses always have lenses in them so my belief is that he actually wears glasses. And I think he must not like contact lenses, or if he's like me, they don't work well, so him putting himself out to do a drama without wearing glasses is notable.

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He said in an interview his sight as good and didn't need glasses. I guess viewers are just so used to him wearing glasses that he keeps glasses with lenses.

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it´s like Clark kent becoming unrecognizable without glasses.

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good one superfox, long time no see!

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Good to see you, @redfox!

Gotta love those cloaking spectacles. ;-)

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Wow that's really interesting.

I like that he usually has lenses in his glasses though... it used to be no big deal for people to just wear frames on TV and it made it easier for filming because they didn't have to worry about glare on the lenses or like the camera's reflection in them; but with HD TV I can totally tell if frames are empty.

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I'll always have a soft spot for Daniel Choi because Ghost was the first drama I chose to watch on my own, but...

I did drop that drama when he changed from So Ji Sub-So Ji Sub to Daniel Choi-So Ji Sub because boy did I like him and I also kinda dropped it cuz I liked Daniel Choi and I was like THAT'S IT? HE'S NOT COMING BACK?

lol i was such a shallow drama watcher (still am)

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ahhh but Ghost was REALLY GOOD still! the plot twists were so solid in that drama...

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Wait - what? They started with Daniel Choi and then somehow he became So Ji sub? I don't like So Ji sub so I guess I'm a shallow watcher too because I would have had the same reaction you did.

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kind of but not really a spoiler:

choi daniel’s character had plastic surgery and became sjs

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Yes, this is a drama that literally uses the Face/Off trope, as in the Travolta/Cage movie not the makeup action series.

It also overuses the Phantom of the Opera theme pretty heavily and super hacking. Still it was great to binge while I was laid up recovering from surgery.

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That poster and show description looks promising. So I may need another non-romcomy drama to watch with 30but17 and GangnamBeauty once Life ends to balance things out.

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Sorry to be a downer but how many more 'ghost' storylines are left for k drama writers to churn through? We have had so many...

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There's a variety of content now showing, it's like we're having several ghost dramas playing at the same time.

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I think it's partly because summer is spooky time for SK. At least that was what they said in Family Outing. XD Something about the cold, creepy feeling helping to cool you off?

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Yeah, a lot of Koreans are really into the existence of ghosts and spirits, so this type of plot might not feel as unusual to them?

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I wonder why no one wrote about other new premiere, Devilish Joy

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Park Eun Bin is one of my favourite actress ! She always has a great chemistry with her costard even if they're older than her. And she could play serious or comedic role :)

Choi Daniel is looking really good like this :p

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Wait wait... so this is a different drama from Devilish Joy? So he has 2 dramas airing at almost the same time?

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I dont see his name under Devilish Joy wiki tho? Or perhaps you mistaken him with Choi Jinhyuk?

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Aaaah you're right! My mistake, they look so much alike to me. I've been seeing the devilish joy commercial on KBS world and I thought it as choi daniel.

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If he really was trying to star in two dramas at once that would be a super crazy feat. Somebody should do that one day.

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That's what I thought initially, crazy! LOL

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Gosh horror genre is a genre I avoid like a plague no matter how good it is... That's how timid I'm . Lmaooo
Surely i have to learn to watch it so i can little braver.

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I accidentally saw the trailer and I.am.excited. Between this, Kim Jaewook/Kim Dongwook's Guest and the new Nun movie, September is a good month for me XD

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This is my first Daniel's drama and he is looking damn handsome(it's only me or he has western look) and the plot itself is very attractive so, i'll definitely check this out.

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So far I love it!

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I agree, the first time I saw him in Jugglers I wondered if maybe he was not from SK. He does have a western look but I can't explain why.

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You had me at "film noir".

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Paranormal stuffs??? Ehhhhh 🙄 No. No, thanks.
No, no, no.
It must be hard to earn a living being an actor. 😐

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It turns out this is exactly the kind of show I love. The editing is a bit choppy so I'm a tad confused when we jump from scene to seemingly unrelated scene. The cast is great and the cliffhanger was excellent. Looking forward to seeing the next episode.

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Is it very scary? I don't want to watch if it is too scary

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Define "very scary"? Some folks say don't watch it at night,there are jumpscares T___T But then those same people say it's a good show. Ah I don't know what to do... Park Eun-bin, guide me, please.

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I don't think it's as scary as some other ghost dramas, however, there is the horror factor or the anticipation of the horror that keeps me both fascinated and hitting the FFD button. My excuse is that I was going to be late for work, so I had to move the show forward faster. 😋

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*spoiler*

Omooo they said he catches ghost, where as he himself a ghost? What a twist we have so far in episode 4? (have a hunch with the unidentify body in the morgue but he looks real when he find Yeo weol at home and not until that last scene in episode 4)

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I watch the premiere episode 1-4 & I must say i love it. The opening was kinda dramatic (to me). The overall color kinda rustic. How the camera moves intrigue me. The scruffy Daniel is so hot. I find him really manly without glasses with a lil bit of moustache. I find him kinda like the nerd in school but sweet with those glasses on.

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That's an interesting take you have on the camera angle @azleenaa. I'd like to hear more about it, if you don't mind discussing it further.

If you're watching and want to join in the comments, please come by under comment: http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/09/premiere-watch-the-ghost-detective/#comment-3304692

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The "red lady" is creepy! I don't like horror/thriller but I will give this drama a try :)

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I'm not sure if I managed to tag your handle, but if you're watching, please do join us to chat about this show under the comment below: http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/09/premiere-watch-the-ghost-detective/#comment-3304692

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This sounds like it’s just my cuppa tea. My Hubby will probably watch this as well. 👍

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WOW Daniel Choi lile we've never seen him before! Love it when actors try on new type of roles! Will watch

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Hi @JulySnow2 If you're watching, would you like to join in the conversation below at http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/09/premiere-watch-the-ghost-detective/#comment-3304692 ?

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Scruffy Daniel Choi is hot ❤

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@lumiere @linda-palapala @egads @mary @kurama @hanie @pancake531 @mrsz6 @michelleb

Since we're probably not going to get a recap thread, what say we hang out here to chat about this show?

I've watched Episode 3 and have been somewhat bothered by it, but I've not got time to put my thoughts into words yet. If anyone wants to weigh in on the show, I'll be happy to read ya!!

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I'm watching too! I'll just repost my comment from @acacia's post
http://www.dramabeans.com/members/acacia/activity/603151/

The biggest mystery for me is why Da il can’t touch doorknobs but can’t pass through solid doors either. Shouldn’t he be able to pass through them? Also how is he able to sit on solid objects? We saw that ball passing right through him. Also he was dirty when he dug himself out (also doesn’t seem possible. Don’t ghosts usually look clean regardless of their body’s state? I’ve seen many hospital or accident scenes like that). But the rain cleaned him?

I know this are all stupid questions. But it’s really difficult for me to understand the rules in this show.

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Hi @superwhopotterlock So glad you're here!

Yes, you're on to the same things that are bothering me about this show. I've got so many questions too!!!

I really like the first 2 episodes, but now that Da Il knows he is a ghost... all these questions are coming up in my mind.

* didn't he already know when he was walking around and people walked through him?
* why does he have the ability to sit on things but can't walk through walls.
* how come Jung Yeo Wool knew from the beginning that he was dead?
* knowing this, why did they not try to retrieve his body?

To avoid spoilers on Ep 3, all I'll say is that I found it surprising to get a whole lot of reveals so soon. The fact that there were quite a lot, gave the episode a messy feel. I felt it was too much too soon and that the 'villain' was kind of everywhere. And the victims seemed so many and kind of random.

Also, usually by Ep 3, I'd have a greater engagement in the main characters. I'd really care what happens to them. However I'm still feeling like I'm at Ep 1 and am trying to figure them out. There has not been enough character development yet.

Maybe it's the editing? I found some scenes interspersed (like the Principal's scenes) with scenes of the investigation to be odd.

Also, we have not one but two people who can sense stuff of a supernatural nature. I'm worried that the writing is feeling ad hoc ... it's only Ep 3... is it too soon to worry?

Am I the only one feeling this way??? 😖 😔 😄

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If you've watched ep 3, then you would've seen that
1. as soon as he came up, he saw his hand sticking out from the mud. He already knew I think, that he's dead.
3. When she tackled him to the ground in front of her house, she saw the basketball pass through his leg. For our benefit, the scene was shown in slow motion.
4. Maybe they've too much on their plate right now. Both of them don't seem particularly interested in finding his body. But the preview showed that his hyung at the office might search for it.

The villain seems to target people who think they're a burden to their family (I might be overreaching, since we saw only 2 cases). I'm really curious about her circumstances. The reveal was too soon IMO.

Re- the no of characters with supernatural powers, this is dramaland, so there's bound to be more than one person with special abilities.

But apart from that, I'm enjoying the story. Hopefully you'll come around and the show stays good.

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I stopped at episode 3 for all these reasons, but plan to pick it back up a bit later. These odd things are either 1) on purpose and it will be revealed later that he's actually not quite dead (maybe a coma??) but his spirit has temporarily left his body and that's why his hands go thru some things but not others. This has been done a few times in kdramas.
Or, 2) it's all ad hoc and bad writing,
For right now I'll go with number 1.
What I didn't like was ep 3 started out so nice and deliciously creepy and then went for the cliched humor (when he was in the office with his partner). That's when I stopped.

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I mean, if you're going to go creepy and dark then go all the way.

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@acacia @stpauligurl @halabek @rochinipark @ar @debbie @kai55

If we're all watching this show, here's where we can hang out to discuss it!

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Oh, good thanks for this @growingbeautifully! It will be nice to have someplace to talk about the show.

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Thanks @growingbeautifully.
Will visit often. I have an episode to see right now.

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I'm just about to start it ^___^ But I keep having to move it to another (literal) day cos I don't wanna watch it at night. Haha

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Yes @mary that's probably a good idea!! Some scenes better watched in pleasant, bright surroundings!!! 😊

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Yup ... I am happy my family is still up tonight as I am about to click on the latest episode. It feels better knowing they are up and about and hearing them every now and then.

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LOL! Enjoy the show!!

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After watching episode one of The Guest, Ghost Detective does not seem so scary or gory.

I do believe that OCN likes to support the fake blood market in a very big way.

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LOL!

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Thanks for the invite! Just finished epi 4 omg Lee Da Il 😭😭😭

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The Ghost Detective - Episode 4
SPOILERS
SPOILERS

I believe that the reason for so many reveals so soon about the red villain and more than 1 character with the power to see ghosts, is the show's way of introducing all the characters who may/will form the team to end her killing spree. What looked random may somehow be threaded together.

I've been trying to come up with a way to refer to this particular villain, or rather of the crimes. We have psychopaths who are serial killers, but they generally commit murder with their own hands. We have villains who manage mind control, and they are usually awake. But what we seem to have here is an astral projection of a coma patient with amazing powers of mind control, of tele-portation (of self and others) and even of the ability to read minds/fears/emotions because she knows how to play on the weakness of each victim. So do we have a serial suicide-and-murder-inducing, psychopathic astral projection on our hands? 😂

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Funniest sad scene and great Subway PPL - Feeding the ghost successfully. On the one had it was great to see that the logic of feeding a hungry ghost (we have this festival called the Hungry Ghost Festival) actually worked for Da Il and that he was finally enjoying a meal, but it was so sad to see Sang Sub grieving for his friend at the same time.

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Did he really eat it or he was imagining it? Because the camera panned to sang seob crying with the intact, unwrapped sandwich on the table. (I saw the scene again)

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He ate the "spirit" of the food. Same thing happened with the drink. He was able to eat the essence of the food but to other people, it just looked like there's a drink and sandwich left in front of an empty seat.

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What about PEB then? She was as excited as him that he could eat his subway. Or was she acting for his benefit?

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She could see his spirit form so she could see that he's eating the ghost of the food. (I thought a lot about this scene LOL.) They should've edited it so that there are two sandwiches in Yeo-wool's view, like the sandwich clones itself when Da-il picks it up.

But this director is weird. I noticed he likes to do cool things but forgets to polish the details which takes me out of the experience sometimes.

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Episode 5 thoughts- Little spoilery

Finally some explanation about da il's transportation problem. It kind of makes sense, but also kinda doesn't? I mean, why do you have to turn bad to pass through doors?
Also shin jae ha! Finally they introduced his character! Does it seem like he's connected to Da il? They both said the same thing- Only listen to good things. I know that's too flimsy of a connection, but given that yeo wool also considered it...
Also what is the male nurse's deal? Why is he helping the ghost (or whatever she is). That guy also performed well as the possessed father in the first week of Hand- the guest.
The time that she's supposed to return to her body- if she has to keep to it, then maybe plan your crime a little before so that you've enough time? (I'm not a psychopath). Why couldn't you have lured him before 12? Also do you need to be told the time? Because until yeo wool yelled out the time, she wasn't disappearing?
In retrospect, this is a very weird question.. But moving on...
finally our team is assembled! Will be good if the lawyer joined too.Happy to see the police guy finally start to believe in something which goes beyond his logical understanding. But, I get the feeling he's going to have a one sided crush on yeo wool, when she's starting to like da il more ( Am I the only one feeling that?). Also his senior seems suspicious. I don't know why. maybe just because of a few lingering shots of him whenever his junior is dealing with this case? Or it could be perfectly normal behaviour too, seeing that his junior is acting weird. After all this show has a totally reverse concept of what is normal and what isn't.

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OK, I gotta watch it and get back to you!!!

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Ep 5 - If ever an episode needed a recap, this one did. I was puzzled for a lot of the show. I join you in asking a whole bunch of questions. 😅

1)About what the Forensic lady, Chae Won said - if he is just a 'normal' ghost, he is restricted in what he can do. But if he grows stronger by doing evil things, then he can start to do the same stuff that the coma villain is doing.

2) Kim Gyeol, the guy who was seeing Seo Wool's sister and who sent the shoes to Seo Wool on the sister's behalf - he seems to know more than he's saying. Perhaps he's had an encounter with coma villain too or heard about her from Seo Wool's sister. It's strange though that he should feel guilty about the sister's suicide and not go for the funeral.

3) I can't figure out what the male nurse was trying to do, by making contact with Seo Wool. He muttered something about her not looking like her sister. He seemed to 'recognise' that Kim Gyeol knew Seo Wool. He's right under the thumb of the coma villain (her name is Woo Hye) whom he seems to be tortured by and be able to see in her child form. Presumably he does her bidding on pain of torture. What he does for Woo Hye is still not clear.

4) I don't find the show's logic or the characters' logic all that sensible. Woo Hye seems to be out doing things randomly, (I'm presuming it's out of boredom since she complained that the people she was trying to torture were boring). I was thinking it could be because she's been in a coma since she was a kid and her thinking is still childish and unstructured.

The thing that bothers me is that Da Il seems so powerless whereas there seems to be no way to stop Woo Hye, except that she has to go back to her body at 1am. He'd better get the hang of being a ghost with some abilities soon! He cannot even protect himself let alone anyone else.

He is was also taking too long to figure out how to find Woo Hye. He could have approached lawyer, Da Hye's character earlier. He is shown to be not too good a judge her character this episode, although he was shown as good at it in Ep 1.

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I knew that they had got the wrong hospital room. It's too early for them to find her according to drama logic.

The male nurse was looking at the 2 Small kids in the cafe when he said they don't resemble each other. Maybe she's the next target of the villain.

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Yes, it was a fake out about that hospital room. Pity. I was all for them confronting each other early.

I felt that male nurse pretended that he was looking at the kids, but he was actually referring to Seo Wool.

"Maybe she's the next target of the villain." -That's an idea. Maybe male nurse goes around to find new targets. But I feel that coma villain is more than able to do that herself. 😉

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5) I did not understand what Sang Sub actually experienced in that scene with him dragged under the car. Was it all a hallucination? How was it the scratches on his arm disappeared and he was not reacting to it. Is he really back to normal? Why didn't he tell Seo Wool and Da Il about it.

6) What is the link between Sang Sub and the dead detective? How did the dead detective, Yoon Je Joon manage to call SS from a cafe if he's dead? SS seemed to be saying that he was sorry, he didn't mean him to die, but I don't know who he is referring to or why he was saying that to Je Joon who'd turned into a scary ghost. Was all that another hallucination to get SS to go to the abandoned hospital?

If so, then Woo Hye's power is phenomenal, it was a very complex hallucination across space and in different locations, using a clear image of a dead person. Plus she teleports at will.

It struck me that Woo Hye is still discovering her power. Now she knows that she can cause Da Il pain by touching him. There was something childlike, but in a chilling way, about how she manipulates people and then stands to watch and be entertained by what they do. Psychopathic and sadistic. It's something like how children take apart an insect - experimental and for observation. In child form she was taking apart a dragonfly.

7) Of the two guys, I'd much rather Seo Wool sets her sights on the living detective Jung Dae. He's more her age and he's on standby to help her. Da Il is either in a coma himself or dead. At least, Chae Won seems convinced that he's a new ghost. However, although it seems one-sided for Jung Dae now, Seo Wool may come around to liking him more, especially since Da Il has not evinced any liking for her, and... he's probably dead!!!

8) I don't know about the other Detective. He is the superior so he keeps an eye on Jung Dae. The latter keeps disappearing and doing his own thing even when told not to, so he may get into trouble at work.

I notice that the cast for this show is pretty small. Less than 10 characters. They might hopefully be more close-knit because of that. It would be nice if all the good guys survive and unite against the 1 big bad coma villain. 😆

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5. I think he was actually attacked. But from what I've seen in other shows and even this one,people don't really remember what happened when they were possessed or in a trance. Also I think since the scratches were from a supernatural being, they disappeared.

6. Initially when I saw him, I actually thought it was the real police officer. I should've realized- he seemed to be almost the exact same age when he had discovered young woo hye at her home. You're right, that's some incredibly complex hallucination.
Yes that childlike thrill that she gets is what makes her more scary, I think. Even in horror movies or series, it's the children that scare me the most. Same is the case here- I'm more terrified when the kid smiles than when her adult counterpart does.

I think sang seob couldn't save someone in the past. This is probably before he met Da il. and he never has shared the details with him, even though Da il has some vague idea about it. Woo hye probably discovered his secrets and used the ghost of the police officer to confront him about it, exploiting his weakness.
7. Even I think she should be with a guy who's actually alive hehe. I don't think yeo wool and da il have any romantic feelings for each other. They care about each other, which is mostly due to the fact that they can only depend on each other, seeing that only yeo wool can see him and he was the firt person who believed her and actually tried to help her. Still is- seeing that he couldn't leave after dying because of his promise to her. But I could be wrong.

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You're probably right about Sang Seob and what villain has hanging over his head. I hate that she seems so invincible with only that 1 limitation at 1am.

She's like a loose cannon, a child without a sense of responsibility who's allowed to shoot deadly rockets to alleviate her boredom, which she does without reservation. So although the show is less scary than The Guest, this aspect of the villain makes the show unpredictably scary in her wantonness.

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Episode 6
I don't really know how I feel about this show, 6 episodes in. I guess I will watch it, but I don't find it particularly compelling. The hook for me would be that the protagonists have succeeded by this time to make me like them, very clearly. However at this stage, I'm only vaguely positive in my attachment to them. I want them to succeed only in so far that they are good guys and trying to stop the evil one.

The mystery of who, why, how was revealed so early that I'm wondering what next great twist the show will come up with. Usually, I'd be full of anticipation, but for this show, I'm not too confident.

Aside from our Det Park who gives Seo Wool those looks, I don't feel any strong connection between the other characters, whom are to play quite important roles in bringing down our baddie. I feel we need more interaction between the team members and less silent looks and sighs.

Ep 5-6 was slow in the sense that our ghost detective himself was at a loss about what to do next and how to gain control over the physical world. 5+ episodes of being (pathetically) ineffective has taken a toll on the pace. I was much relieved that by Ep 6 end, he has found a way to take matters into his own hands, literally.

Unintentionally funny, Det Park's reaction over the phone when he heard that Seo Wool had gone to 'attack' the coma patient. I found his shout of horror laughably OTT.

Thoughts:
- At their rate of running off for hours on end, both Det Park and Coroner Chae Won are going to be in trouble with their bosses.
- At least Sang Seob is given a bit more to do this episode. He was feeling and looking pathetic, complaining about being left out. He might have been at least the comic relief.
- I hope that Kim Gyeol, Lawyer Baek and Reporter Kang have more of a role to play.

Back to questions:
- We still do not know why Da Il can only touch Seo Wool and the hearing aid, do we?
- Why should the hearing aid allow Seo Wool to hear Woo Hye's voice. There's a deeper connection between her sister and Woo Hye?
- What is the connection between Reporter Kang and Da Il that he agreed to write the 'fraudulent' report when he heard Da Il's anem?
- Is the spirit in the tramp the same big spirit that had possessed Chae Won as a child? It's very useful that when asked, these spirits give a whole lot of useful information on how to defeat gain power or how to defeat other spirits. 😏

Plus point: The child actress who plays young Sun Woo Hye is good. She's extremely chilling, more so than her adult counterpart.

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1. I think he can touch the hearing aid because YW's sister was wearing it when she died, and also could hear and see the red lady. I think in some ways, it was much more intimate because the villain literally had to come up to her to speak. Maybe that's also the reason why she can only be killed by the weapon that resulted in the victims deaths. I think that's also the reason why he can touch YW. She saw her at the time of her sister's death. Maybe in that brief period of time, the lines between the universe blurred and something happened to her. Didn't the caretaker of the villain said that she was a perfect vessel for a ghost to possess?(this is utter total nonsense)
2.The same thing what I said about the aid previously. Maybe it kind of became a conduit between the living and the dead?
4. I didn't understand that part. When sang seob met his friend- she said that chae won's powers were used for money by a male shaman. And when she was possessed, the guy tried to invite the spirit into his body. But maybe he got killed in the process? Also the person in the tunnel and in the photo was a woman, whom she referred to as her spirit mother. So maybe this person actually sacrificed herself by taking the spirit in?

I can understand that there seems to be a lack of interaction between the characters, but the team just assembled this week. Plus Det. Park is still skeptic, the lawyer has been kept in the dark and even sang seob isn't privy to the main leads talks even though he's in the same room. Maybe give it some time?

I'm actually happy with the pacing. If the you've seen the preview, there will be new challenges now. How much more damage will the red lady do now? Will she change because of her state? What about her powers? Will she remember what she has done all these years? I'm looking forward to it.

The child actress is amazing. Are you watching 100 days my prince? She's the same girl! Her acting range is amazing. I posted about it too.
http://www.dramabeans.com/members/superwhopotterlock/activity/609457/

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I hadn't been watching it but there were so many positive comments this week I restarted it but am only on the first half hour. You've made me question whether or not I want to continue. Oh, dear...what to do!

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I'm thinking I'll continue, but mostly because there's nothing much else to watch and because I want to see how they take down the villain.

To tell the truth, I find The Guest more engaging and easy to follow. I even already 'like' the characters in that show although Kim Jae Wook's appearances were brief. The backstory there really helped to make the 3 'now-grown-up' child victims of Park Il Do, more relatable. Don't know why it's not the same in Ghost Detective. Something different about the execution?

Or to be fair, with The Guest in the offing, Ghost Detective is unfortunately (automatically) compared and may be found wanting?

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Thanks for the poke @growingbeautifully. All your questions are valid but I'm okay with the pacing right now. As @superwhopotterlock wrote, they are still assembling the team and so, for now, I'll be patient.
I will admit that I'm hoping the coroner/detective will be able to keep their jobs at this rate.

Finally, did anyone else wonder that maybe Da Il took some of that evil spirit's powers so he could go through the door and beat up the nurse? The coroner told him at the beginning the only way he could do those things was if he became an evil ghost. So now I wonder how the story will change when he adds a little badness to his character.
Right now I'm still enjoying the show because it looks like the team has still yet to be completely together. So the arc had better change a bit this week.

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Even I think so @stpauligurl. He went to the spirit in the tunnel before he went to the hospital. Also his eyes were red when he was beating the male nurse.

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He definitely did something to gain more power. Why else would the writer have the medical examiner even tell us about this possibility?

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Yup, I believe he found out from the Tunnel Tramp how to touch earthly materials, so that he could stop Yeo Wool from committing a crime. It could be that he had to do something bad in order to get that ability.

Which gets me to the conclusion that the astral projection of Woo Hye has so much power and ability because she has done so much evil, but this ability is in the hands of one who is still basically a cruel child in mentality.

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(1) I actually have the opposite thought in terms of the pacing of the show, they revealed so much so quickly I'm thinking they did that to give us enough exposition about the rules of the ghost world because there is a lot to be uncovered in future episodes. We still don't know what is going on with Kim Gyeol, Lawyer Baek and Reporter Kang so there is more to uncover there.
(2) The past 2 episodes were not the best for me either I have a feeling there are too many characters that makes the storyline not give a lot of attention to the various characters. They were especially not to my liking since YeoWool simply played DaIl's mouthpiece in ep 5 and she tried taking matters into her own hands in ep 6 but it was stupid of her to go at it alone (Have you not learned about what happens to people when they do things by themselves in scary movies YeoWool?).
(3) I would also beg to differ in your opinion that DaIl was pathetically ineffective since he's new to the ghost realm and he doesn't know any of the rules. He was in the process of learning them as we were. He actually seemed to do a lot since YeoWool is doing everything he would've done. Like @natzillagorilla and @stpauligurl said he may have learned how to be a bit bad to move objects and there is no way Chaewon would have agreed to teach him that earlier.
(4) The earpiece and being able to touch YeoWool still is questionable to me. I have a feeling there are answers to these mysteries that they will reveal later but as of now, the earpiece just seems like an easy way for the characters to hear the Red Lady's thoughts.
(5) I could see what you mean by the team dynamics but most characters sans YeoWool and ChaeWon can't hear DaIl so I think it's inevitable for it to be a bit disjointed.
(6) To answer your Reporter Kang question, I think neither Reporter Kang nor Lawyer Baek knows about the lie, SangSeob comments that the reporter doesn't even know that he's committing fraud. It seems like DaIl requested Lawyer Baek to set up this prize money and Lawyer Baek didn't even answer Kang's questions about why DaIl is looking into this case.
(7) My question is about the Jeon DeokJoong that Da-Il wanted to find. Is Jeon DeokJoong Reporter Kang or another person he's trying to find?

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(8) To answer the question about the spirit, there is a bit of background about the shaman culture that they breezed by. What I got out of ep 6 was that the guy evil ghost is the person that took ChaeWon under his wings when she became a shaman. He tried to gain a evil ghost from ChaeWon to become one of his guide spirit (all shamans have guide spirit(s)) but he failed and went into a vegetative state. My educated guess is that he was the "live spirit" that was killed by a woman shaman (the woman "good" side of the tramp) but because she wasn't worthy of killing the live spirit she ended up becoming "eaten up" by the live spirit and is stuck with him forever but she isn't really an evil spirit so she gave DaIl and YeoWool all the answers they needed.

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Ep 7 Thoughts and Questions and Spoilers
@growingbeautifully @linda-palapala @lumiere @superwhopotterlock @mary @stpauligurl @halabek @rochinipark @ar @debbie @kai55 @natzillagorilla

(1) I really liked this episode! I give props to the writer for revealing things about this ghost universe in a well paced way and all the answers are well timed.
(2) The reason why Lawyer Baek is not asking too many questions is answered well without taking too much time from the show. I’m pretty confident we’ll find out when the timing is right but I can’t help but feel like the kidnapped kindergartener’s dad is involved in this.
(3) Complaint but not a complaint... why is Red Lady alive? How? Why doesn’t she have a hole where her tracheostomy was? (Health care professional concerns lol) I guess it’s good that now she can officially be accused of her crimes but this gave a twist I wasn’t expecting and I love unexpected twists 😍
(4) Seriously... I don’t know why they have YeoWool here. She is there but isn’t. She’s almost the source of why/how Da-Il formed this team but she’s just there and that’s it. Maybe an additional motivation for Detective to be in the team but what else? Where’s the spunk? Where’s her strength?? Where’s all the intuition that led her to Da-Il in the first place??? I miss ep 1-2 YeoWool.... 😢
(5) ChaeWon and Lawyer Baek are killing it in this episode. Especially ChaeWon. I love her relationship with Detective and now I ship them. I am curious though, all this time I thought she could hear Da-Il! She only senses his presence?? But how she can see this one grandpa ghost? She cant see any other ghost though? Why? I’m sure it’ll be answered soon but it does pique my interest.
(6) I loveeeee Kim Wonhae!! He nails the PI role. I’m so glad he comes out and really shows his emotional side this ep. Combined seamlessly with that PPL it was pretty masterfully done.
(7) So Da-Il is not evil by moving objects? Didn’t Chaewon say otherwise in the beginning? Why did his eyes turn red then??? This part is quite confusing...

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About your (3) Sunwoo Hye being alive and well and conscious (all the things we can't be) after being stabbed, actually does not make sense. It is a twist indeed. It highlights that the logic of this dramaverse is so sketchy, that when something like this happens, it looks like a plot device to just add more conflict, while we wonder if behind the scenes, the writer is scrambling to come up with the explanation for this twist. If, as it was mentioned in Soompi, that the explanation was given by the writer, that's good, however how the explanation is revealed to the audience has to convince us that it was all properly planned, and that the twist was not just a desperate afterthought, to save the villain for more plot.

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I miss ep 1-2 YeoWool...

- Now that you mention it, so do I. She does seem to have become pretty bland, however she is at least Da Il's mouthpiece. I feel that much of the effect of her energy and zest, together with the pace of the show, is lost by her needing to look to Da Il for advice.

(5) ChaeWon being able to see some ghosts when she said that she has stopped being able to see them. I'm putting it down to inconsistent writing, and just accepting that there may never be an explanation. However someone mentioned that the writer explained a whole bunch of stuff and it was on Soompi. I didn't check it out. Maybe something has been explained on this point.

Yes to (6). I cried together with Sang Sub. My only peeve is that he could have just gotten paper and pen and let Da Il indicate more than just 'Yes' or 'No'. Still that was masterful use of advertised object for PPL.. I applaud the writer(s).

On your (7) - Exactly what I was saying elsewhere. There's ad hoc inconsistentcy, (It's probably called bad writing) where results vary although the same rules are supposed to apply. So we get 2 versions of how Da Il can gain more power. We have to hope that the next time he becomes more capable, he can still manage to not resort to being evil like Sunwoo Hye. 😏

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Episode 8 &9
Spoilers ! Beware !
Hello Fellow Ghosters !
It has been a while since I've joined you here. I had the flu for a week then I was busy for another, but I kept up with the show.
I am sad to say it did not live up to the premiere episodes. At times it seems they are just throwing everything at you and it feels too much. It is hard to keep up with everything happening.
1) A terror attack. Carried out by Kim Gyeol. Aghhh. I was interested in his back story when it was pretty clear he knew about the Red Lady and her involvement in Yi Rang's death but now I do not care about him one bit. The only thing I care to know is why Sunwoo spared him until now. Out of character for her. She would use Yi Rang's death to get him to kill himself immediately after, I would think.
2) Whatever Lawyer Baek is plotting ( with or without her Boss's knowledge ) feels excessive. I mean we already have a spiteful immature former evil spirit that is somehow alive and kicking now (She also managed to understand how to use a cellphone and video call pretty quickly .... while my parents struggle with facebook to this day) and managed to retain her mind control powers. The last thing this show needs is more intrigue in the form of the Lawyer and the Reporter !
3) The detective finding out about Yeo wool and Da Il's special relationship from Chae Won and then putting the pieces together ... my heart breaks for him.
4) The end of ep. 8, with Da Il disappearing ... that reveal was worth all the lackluster episodes that preceded it. Although this is a Kdrama, I truly believed he was completely dead, No-WAY-Around-It dead, Not-Even-a-drama-writer-would-dare-bring-him-back dead. So when he first disappeared, I thought, "New Power: Teleportation" and waited for him to show up behind Sunwoo on the computer screen so he can save the girl. Imagine the position of my lower jaw when he opened his eyes on what appeared to be a pillow on a real bed and we find out an old lady is apparently taking care of his body wherever it is.
5) That Tulle Poofy Skirt Sunwoo Hye was wearing was so very childishly her .... loved it
6) Da Il and Yeo Wool's reunion: I knew she was getting attached to him in a very serious way. I knew she was relying on him for more than his help with avenging her sister. But, damn, that's how you hug family. I don't know how I feel about him pulling away when he understood how much she cares about him. In the beginning of the show they were easily holding hands and grabbing shoulders and I liked that considering that Yeo wool was still grieving and she was Da Il's only connection to the world of the living. I feel him holding back while she sinks deeper into her emotional co-dependency. However, I still get their relationship and I understand that times of crisis enhance feeling ten fold.
7) That Detective Park was outside the door and heard Yeo wool's tearful outpouring of emotions was just an extra bang ... poor guy
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