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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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Kingdom: I grew up on a diet of folk/horror stories and loved(?) that helplessness that comes with having so few resources at hand when the monsters come. Maybe that’s why I turned to post-apocalyptic fiction in adulthood. But despite zombie fiction being one of my favorite genres, I’m still skeptical how these shuffling corpses can overpower modern civilizations when we have deadly, accurate weapons and almost-instant communication to fight them back. Kingdom’s setting takes away that 0.001% gripe I have about zombie stories because here there are no machine guns to take down a mob of zombies and no radios to request helicopters to airlift you to safety. If you’re trapped, you’ll have to find a way out yourself. And that’s assuming you even know what’s happening because it’s not uncommon for strange sicknesses to sweep over the land every now and then. I never imagined that a K-drama would merge my past and present horror tastes together. I’m really thankful to Kim Eun-hee and the Kingdom team for creating this gem. But don’t ask me about gratitude tomorrow when I finish the rest of season one because I foresee cursing in my future while we wait months (years?) for season two.

SKY Castle: I know it must be killing the SKY Castle beanies to only have one episode this week, but I’m honestly grateful because I get to catch up. Heh. I didn’t know throwing out a control-freak father in the middle of winter can be this funny, but once again, Seung-hye and the twins prove to me why they’re my favorites. I’ll have to cheat on them though as my eyes will be on the Kang family for the next episodes. I can’t wait to see how my ajusshi-crush Jung Jun-ho deals with the knowledge that he killed his own daughter and not-a-robot Ye-seo (hopefully) fights Coach Kim’s programming to figure out that some things aren’t worth throwing away to get into SNU. Also, someone needs to take Coach Kim down, because Soo-im’s repetitive “I’ll destroy you” threats just don’t have any weight. My money is still on Kwak Mi-hyang. She didn’t rip all those lips in high school for nuthin’.

My Healing Love: 50+ episodes (so far) of inappropriate fauxcest inspired by Yeon Jung-hoon’s dimples. 50+ episodes (so far) of the stepmom getting away with tricking the whole family. I’m not complaining (so far).

King’s Family: I saw this on KBSWorld while channel surfing and there’s a squishy Jo Sung-ha (aka another ajusshi-crush). He works all day as a package delivery guy to feed his family and in-laws, then they scold him for making noises in the kitchen while cooking a late dinner for himself at night. “What horrible people!” I thought. “I must watch this and curse at the screen to support my Oppa,” I thought again. And that’s why I have check KBSWorld Jo Sung-ha regular schedule pencilled in on my weekly planner.

 

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Memories of the Alhambra: Rather than talk about the drama’s conclusion (or lack thereof), I would like to take this moment to fangirl over Hyun Bin’s performance. I can’t imagine a better one, and I can’t even imagine anyone else in this role. He embodied every part of it, and I would have believed anything his character said. Maybe that’s what’s missing from the conclusion: the voice of Jin-woo. His narration always tied things together and made you nod your head and understand what was happening. Why is his voice missing from the ending? Shouldn’t it be there, or was this alienation from the hero intentional? Does anyone have Song Jae-jung’s email address? I have questions!

An Empress’s Dignity: This drama just gets better as it continues, which is no small feat! I mean, when do you get a chance to say that about a K-drama?! The characters and plot lines are developing nicely, I’m enjoying all the interconnections, and Shin Sung-rok is a total show stealer.

Boyfriend: I’m behind by a few weeks, but still chugging along. I put on this drama when it’s late at night and I need something to make me fall asleep.

 
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Memories of the Alhambra: We knew, going in, there would be lots of unanswered questions given writer Song Jae Jung's track record, but "why was Jin Woo a bug?" is not one of them. I loved how Se Joo so casually said, "Every time Emma sees a bug, I made her stab it in the heart and kill it." Emma was badass. I teared up when they showed Secretary Seo's ranking in Episode 14:

RANKING LEVEL ID LAST PLAYED
No.4 Lv.50 City Hunter 3 weeks ago

SKY Castle: Episode 18: I cried when Jjin Jjin cried upon seeing Woo Joo in jail. When Han Seo Jin asked, "Ye Seo-ah, can you give these up?" I thought she was asking Ye Seo TO give these up and go confess together. She keeps reiterating "just one more semester," "only the first semester," but poor Woo Joo can't last one semester. Is there any way Professor Cha can salvage his marriage? I don't want the twins' parents to get a divorce. I think Se Ri's character turned out the opposite of what the writers expected. The writers expected viewers to love her because Se Ri is anti-her dad and stands up for what she believes in, but the majority of viewers hate her because she has no right to act this way. So Teacher Jo was in it for the money all along.

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Sky Castle is amazing! Sending offerings to the drama gods that it ends well!
Finished MOA and decided it was a happy ending mostly cause Jin Woo and the game, the real OTP ended up together.
Today I realized that the beanie influence is a scary thing. Even though I loath zombies and horror, I almost started watching Kingdom!!! I'm a total chicken! The last "scary" movie I watched was World War Z. My friends didn't tell me it was a zombie movie so I was stressed for 2 hours! It wasn't even that good! I'm so tempted to watch Kingdom but I like peace of mind... but y'all make it sound so good! Someone please tell me it sucks and is not worth my time!

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Really you can ff through a lot of the zombie stuff. Really after 6 seasons of The Walking Dead, I'm kinda over the zombie thing and they don't even scare me even more.

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*Liver or Die* - 5/10 - Honestly I'm close to dropping this one, it's bordering on dropping below average at this point. They keep introducing more despicable people, while simultaneously making all the siblings worse people. That being said it does manage to tug at my heartstrings every now and then. Jeon Hye-Bin and Lee Si-Young's characters are what's keeping me coming back.

*Clean with a Passion for Now* - 7/10 - Still really enjoying. It's not a show I'm going to scream from the heavens that everyone must watch, but if you're in the mood for a fun rom com, it fits the bill. The two leads have great chemistry.

*The Crowned Clown* - 7/10 - I'm glad they're bringing the King back so soon. The cliche palace politics honestly drag down the show a bit, despite the strong performances from all involved. Dropped the score a bit this week because of that. Excited for the coming conflicts though.

*My Strange Hero* - 7/10 - I admit, I kind of wanted Se-Ho to have some antihero master plan (which I suppose could still happen) but seeing his confrontations with his mother just broke me. Especially the last one in the gym.

*Sky Castle* - 9/10 - All caught up, and just in time to only get one episode this week. The wait was already so hard, but with one episode to go, I'm chomping at the bit. Watch. This. Show.

*Kingdom* - 8/10 - I was REALLY looking forward to this one, and it honestly didn't disappoint. The only bad thing is where they end it, and that I want MORE and the wait is going to be brutal. I'm growing to like each of the characters, and want to spend more time with them. The basic concept is just phenomenal though, zombies without high tech modern weaponry to fight them/communicate is just way more tense in an already freaky situation.

*Romance is a Bonus Book* - 8/10 - I'm all the way in. The leads seem to have a solid chemistry and it's a bonus that one of the leads is a (now) single mother. Though it seems they plan to keep her child out of the picture for now. Lee Jong-Suk honestly picks really good projects(most of the time) so my hopes are high already.

*Best Chicken* - 6/10 - It's above average. The overall conflict is a bit on the weak side, but the main cast is really charming.

*Spring Turns to Spring* - 5/10 - Average. Body swapping is a trope for a reason, and it can be fun when it's done right. The characters are a bit too over the top for me though. I only managed to get through the first episode, and haven't had the willpower to try the second. I love Lee Yu-Ri, but I haven't found a drama she's in (besides Father is Strange) that I've enjoyed.

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"My Strange Hero* - 7/10 - I admit, I kind of wanted Se-Ho to have some antihero master plan (which I suppose could still happen) but seeing his confrontations with his mother just broke me. Especially the last one in the gym."

OMG, it was heartbreaking. One of those moments when the actors transcend the overused trope of the Evil Mother, and deliver something emotionally powerful.

The ending of the last aired episode was fascinating. What does Se-ho mean? Some have suggested that he's using reverse psychology, to try to keep Chae-min from jumping, but I don't think in that moment, minutes after that devastating encounter with his mother, he is capable of that. I think it's coming from somewhere deep inside, and he's not even really addressing Chae-min, but is talking to his past boy self, standing on the ledge, threatening to jump, but not really committing to it. I suspect his current life is so painful that he imagines it would have been better to have just died that day.
Another possibility is that he imagines what his mother would have been thinking, and imagines (probably correctly) what her words to him would have been.

Can't wait for the next episodes.

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I'm betting Se-ho might explain why it won't make things better, from his point of view. Maybe he'll be able to convince Chae-min not to jump just to spite his mother. "Living well is the best revenge" or something along those lines.

The great thing is he could also just tell him to find a taller building to make sure he gets the job done...I love that both options are equally possible lol. I need MOAR.

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Best Chicken😍

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Kingdom! OH MO OH OH OH! So good. But yes there's only 6 episodes and then ... we're waiting for season 2.

But so much to love! You'll definitely see many drama faves along with Bae Doona. Our dashing prince is none other than JOON JI HOON. ... actually I probably don't need to name any supporting actors now.

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The Good.

Crowned Clown. This show continues to fascinate me. I don't know much about Korean history (I research when I watch historical dramas), and knew very little about the historical figure who is the basis for the king when I started watching, although this doppelganger-substitute seems to be a popular theme in Asian dramas (My first exposure to the concept was Akira Kurosawa's fabulous award winning 1980s film, "Kagemusha"), and doesn't appear to have any factual basis. The acting is excellent, and I honestly have no idea how this story will be resolved, but I can't wait to find out. (Question: was the Queen also married to or a concubine to the former king? Is she supposed to be older than King Lee-Heon? Because the actress looks to be visibly and significantly older than Yeo Jin Goo).

My Strange Hero. While it's far from perfect - the storyline is somewhat thin - I am all about character development when I read a novel or watch a TV series, and this show delivers the goods for me. I am, once again, charmed by Yoo Seung-ho. Just watching his adorable cuteness makes me feel happy, and I find myself inevitably tearing up anytime his big brown puppy-dog eyes fill with tears. (I would love to see him in something other than a romcom, which is not my favorite genre, but Kdramas are my escape these days, and I just can't watch the ones that end tragically, so for now I won't watch him in Remember). I also continue to be fascinated with Kwak Dong-yeon's portrayal of Se-ho. When KDY is on screen, it's hard to notice anything else. He broke my heart in Moonlight Drawn by Clouds (so far, with 2 of his dramas watched, Park Bo-gum has yet to draw a single tear from me, and I'm usually waterworks when I watch these dramas, but I was sobbing so hard I scared my cats while watching a particular scene at the end of MDBC, with a remarkable performance by KDY, and it was PBG’s best acting in the entire drama). It was just a wonderfully acted scene, and was far better than any scene with the OTP, IMO, although they were cute as buttons. KDY's character was my favorite, in a show where I loved all 4 of the main characters).

Ashes of Love. This is my second C-drama. (The first was a silly, really cheaply made drama, The Eternal Love, which I only continued watching because of the charming chemistry between the two leads. The costumes were SO BAD - one young prince wore some shiny-polyester hot pink robes with bright neon-yellow chicken down at the shoulders - hideous!!), but I didn't realize how cheap the costumes/sets were for a Cdrama until I watched Ashes of Love). I loved Ashes of Love. It was gorgeous to look at, the sets and costumes were amazing, I enjoyed the mythical story, and while the actor (Deng Lun) playing Phoenix/Fire Deity/Xu Feng isn't girlishly gorgeous like so many of the Korean actors are (I often think that it must be hard to be an actress in Korea, because the young men are so often literally prettier...

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Question: was the Queen also married to or a concubine to the former king? Is she supposed to be older than King Lee-Heon? Because the actress looks to be visibly and significantly older than Yeo Jin Goo.

Eww, no. Though that wasn’t uncommon that is not the case here. She married the king when he was a young prince. She probably looks older because she always have a stern face. Once she smiles she looks years younger. I do think the actress is slightly older than Jingoo, maybe.

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Se Young is older than Jingoo by five years. But in show I don't think it's important how old they are, and it certainly doesn't bother me.

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It doesn't bother me either. Both of them are doing an excellent job. But I read something on line about another drama loosely based on the same historical figure, and it seemed to suggest that one of the women around the king had a relationship with both the father and the son. It was ambiguous and I don't remember where I saw it. It wasn't necessarily a sexual relationship - could have been an advisor? Anyway, I can't find the reference now.

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Well the drama is not based on an actual king so you can forget that part.

The king of the movie was Gwanghae. THAT king had another drama called “The King’s Face”, where he did love his father’s concubine but I’m not sure if that has any historical basis. In the drama, his father basically stole his girlfriend.

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. . . than the women in these dramas, and they seem to wear just as much eye make-up and lipstick, which emphasizes the visual!), I found him very attractive, extremely sexy, and very compelling in this role. Plus, it had a surprisingly erotic (for these heavily censored dramas) "sex scene" that made my mouth fall open, and I am still shocked that it made it past the strict censorship these shows faces! The drama is 60 episodes, and I totally binge-watched over the many recent court holidays. In the middle, when my fav character Phoenix disappears for too long, and the story focuses on his half-brother's background and power-grab, it got a bit boring (I read that fans were highly critical of the emphasis on second lead Night Deity), but overall, this is a series I really enjoyed, and recommend to anyone who enjoys mythical stories about gods, which I do.

The comments about this drama talked a lot about the novel (and the epilogues the author wrote), so I found a translation on line and read it after watching the drama.

One of my biggest disappointments from watching Kdramas is that a lot of the poetry books - which are usually brilliantly used to advance the story/characters - are not translated into English. Poetry, perhaps more than any other form of literature, must be skillfully and artfully translated in order to maintain the beauty and flow of language. While I certainly appreciate the hard-working translators at the former Dramafever and the current Viki, translating poetry is an art form, and must be done by a skilled translator who is thoroughly familiar with the writer and the literary genre. Even among the professional translators, there are volumes that re preferred by experts/critics. I remember encountering this the first time I bought a volume of Rainer Maria Rilke's poems, and was in the bookstore looking at several translations of the same book of collected poems. One was a poem that described the poet looking at the black silhouettes of distant trees against the sky. One translation used the word "skinny" to describe the trees, and another used the word "slender." They both describe trees, but one sounds unromantic and unmusical, while the other is pleasing to the ear, and evocative of something beautiful.

With that early example, I've always done research on the translation before buying a book of poetry that is originally in a language other than English.

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Skinny sounds like such a tasteless word to use in a poem...

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Yeah, @Ashes of Love, I FF a lot when the plot starts to focus on Night Deity and the other couple (that Demon Princess and her man =_=). A bit disappointed since this drama could be very good but the director and writer decided to add so many filler scenes to milk that Yuan, more episodes= more money since they got paid according to quantity, not quality. But overall, enjoyable drama.

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I agree. I didn't really give a damn about Night's background, and the attempt to make him sympathetic didn't work for me. Phoenix was passionate, bossy, moody and arrogant, but he wore his feelings on his sleeve, and was open with his emotions and motivations. (Plus, I give him a break on the arrogance and fiery tempter - he's the Fire Deity, and a Phoenix, who rises from the ashes after being incinerated! It's Who He Is!) But Night was manipulative, calculating, deceptive, and fake; he used everyone around him to achieve his goals, pretended to feel/think things that he did not in order to deceive the people around him, and while I have no doubt that he desperately desired to have Jin Mi by his side, his particular brand of love was toxic. He locked her up for long periods of time, was willing to have her remain incapable of love if it kept her an emotionless puppet by his side, and lied to/misled her in order to betray Phoenix. I hated him! (The woman who translated the novel on her blog was much more sympathetic to him, which made me a bit suspicious of her translations. She also hated translating the sex stuff (aka "mutual cultivation," hee!) in the two big scenes between Phoenix and Jin Mi, which also made me wonder how a different translator would have translated the scenes. (The first several chapters were translated by someone who was much better at the actual translations that the woman who translated most of the novel, just from a literary POV).

I really loved the casting for Ashes of Love, and the episodes up to the big wedding were really enjoyable. After that, waaaay too much Night, not enough Phoenix. And while I really liked the Demon Warrior Princess (Liu Ying), I agree that the story about her relationship with Qi Yuan got too much airtime.

I read a few articles and reviews on line, and per the "gossip," the directors added something like 25 to 30 episodes after the lead actors had signed on to do the show, and so they had no idea that it would drag out, and make Night basically a co-lead, when they agreed to do the novel adaptation. All that extra focus on Night also caused the popularity of the series to go down, and was criticized by viewers and reviewers. (Although I believe I also read that the novel's author, Dian Xian, was a consultant on the screenplay, but without artistic control, that doesn't really mean much, I guess).

Anyway, I really enjoyed this, have rewatched some of my favorite episodes, and fell big time for Deng Lun!

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Yes, it's supposed to be 36 episodes but the client wanted 50 , then negotiated to 43 episodes. Then they hired new writer for the rest of additional episodes which explained why the series gone downhill midway, the 1st half was great, I have no problem with any scenes especially Jinmi-Phoenix.

I've read the translated novel, honestly I didn't have any problem with the translations, and I think Night was well-written in the novel, but the drama version ruined his character.

And yes, Deng Lun is so 💖 and Yang Zi too 💖

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Hi @vespertyne. On the subject of poetry and translation I am curious to know if you watched YOU WHO FORGOT POETRY/A POEM A DAY? If you did, what were your thoughts on the poems used in the drama and how they were presented?
I think one of the best things about that drama was exposing a lot of us (myself included) to beautiful Korean poetry. Even though the drama had poor rating I thought the production level was outstanding.
You could tell by how hard they worked on the filmed narration for each poem.
@saya provided great recaps and @hades did yeoman's service (in her comments) in printing the texts (with time stamp) for each poem presented in each episode. For example, from the episode 15-16 (final) recap:
http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/05/you-who-forgot-poetry-episodes-15-16-final/#comment-3242263
I will just pull out the first poem listed:

(Ep. 15, Only Poem, 00:48:10)
“I Thought It Was Okay for Mothers to Do That,” by Shim Soon Deok.

I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if she works herself to death on the farm fields.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if she sits on the furnace and eats a cold bowl of rice for lunch.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if she does laundry with her bare hands and cold water on a winter day.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
“I’m full, I’m not hungry.” Even if she starves while feeding her family.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if her heels are so worn out that they make noises in her blanket.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if her fingernails are so worn out that they can’t even be clipped.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
Even if Father’s anger and our rebellion don’t phase her.
I thought it was okay for mothers to do that.
“I miss your grandmother.
I miss your grandmother.” I thought those were just complaints.
She woke up in the middle of the night and cried in silence.
When I saw that,
“Ah.” It was not okay for mothers to do that.

If you would like to see a moving presentation of this poem, go to A POEM A DAY, episode 15, at 48 minutes in. I just went to my *alternate* site and watched it. Beautiful. (I would like to provide a link but some are touchy about that. The point is you can find it.)
There were some great comments about poetry during the airing of YOU WHO FORGOT POETRY/A POEM A DAY.

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About 3 or 4 weeks ago, when I was doing a google search to find the poem from BTIMFL, I came across a video clip from this drama, watched it, and was so intrigued that looked it up to read more about it, and thought it sounded wonderful. Thank you for reminding me to put it on my watch list. Where did you watch it?

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I originally watched APAD on DramaFever but alas!
You might try here for APAD:
https://www1.ondramanice.tv/drama/a-poem-a-day-detail

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The Bad.
Boyfriend. This is by far the most disappointing serious drama I have watched, and I really ended up disliking it. The first episode was the high point, and it kind of went downhill from there, and crossed some irredeemable point around episode 10 or 11. I was disappointed in the story itself (it could have been so interesting if they had made PBG's character a true independent, fun loving, free spirited young man, but instead they did the "I fell in love with the boss before I knew it was the boss" thing, and that was the first mistake. (Why not make him a freelance photographer, like Gregory Peck's character in Roman Holiday, which was a theme in the drama? Give him some real autonomy, and make his character interesting, instead of some boring, good-two-shoes, totally unbelievable boy-man, who looked like a 12 year old during some of the scenes, especially when he was trying to look woebegone/sad/cry??) I hated the Evil Mother and Evil MIL tropes, and the ending for both characters was rushed and ridiculous, with no satisfying or believable resolution. I hated the way Jin-hyek's mother was portrayed, and the entire "please dump my son, oh no, I'm sorry, take him back because he's so sad now" storyline was just STUPID. The two actors had zero chemistry, the dialogue was the absolute worst in any supposedly high quality drama I've watched (stilted, unnatural, devoid of any content other than “look how romantic, arty and deep we are!”), and the acting was mediocre to poor. Maybe she’s a great actress, but Song Hye-kyo was practically comatose when she was on screen. I never, at any time, forgot I was watching two actors delivering lines from a screenplay, and following an off-screen director’s directions. The literary allusions were the most awkward I've seen in a drama, and regularly popped up like clumsily inserted, mandatory product placements. I was embarrassed for the writer. And the story - ugh. I actually was rolling my eyes at so many of the OTP’s scenes – as an example, the "let’s have a date at the bookstore!" scene, which was so obviously inserted as an excuse for another "product placement" literary scene. (As an avid reader, I have often ended up at a book store with a boyfriend. But it was when we were out on a weekend, having breakfast or lunch, and wandering around downtown, and spontaneously decided to go in the store. Who can pass by a store like Seattle’s Elliot Bay Book Company without going in??). Also, for the first time in my Kdrama watching history, I didn't shed one single tear (the emotional manipulation was too blatant, the couple and story too unbelievable), I could not care less what happened to the OTP, and (because I generally pick what I hope are top quality dramas based on reviews) actually skipped scenes and/or found my attention wandering as I was watching. My overall impression is that if not for the fame/popularity/attractiveness of the two lead actors, no one would have...

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. . . kept watching this mediocre, overrated mess of a show.

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Wow woah, I feel you are being too hard. I actually have had kind of a date at a book store, and because I am a book worm I really find it romantic to go there and spend the day. I remember the first time I went to minnesota, I spent a day at the library (actually many different days) and definitively I spent almost a day in Barnes and noble. If a book store can be that big... for me that is a fun place to be.

JH's mother... I didn't find it unrealistic, the way she acted, and I don't think she apologized totally because of her son being sad, she actually understood the way he loved SH, and how he wouldn't change even if SH broke up with him. The mother understood his love was bigger and that she was the one afraid of their relationship's impact on her life.

Now... coming back to the story in itself... I won't write long statements, because it is obvious I won't change your mind, but I think it is not a bad drama. Believe me, there are ton worse in dramaland.

And yes, the two last episodes were a little bit... let's say "less exciting" than the rest, but they actually kept the tone of the story. This is a quiet and simple story from the beginning. It is a story to be enjoyed from the artistic point of view.
I felt bother that the side stories didn't have much of a closure, but that is how life is... You never get to know how everybody ends up and it is not necessary...

I am thankful, at least, the writer didn't ruin it with mackjang... 😂😂😂😂

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I certainly agree that there are MUCH worse Kdramas out there; in fact, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of them! But Boyfriend/Encounter was just so over-rated, and so undeserving of all the glowing praise heaped upon it, that it annoyed me. I hate it when I start watching a drama that is ranked in the high 9's (on a scale of 10) and it's just another garden variety Kdrama, but with a super popular (ie really pretty) male lead. I always wonder, who gives those glowing ratings?

The best thing about Boyfriend was the cinematography, especially the episodes in Cuba, and the artwork at the beginning and end of each episode. Everything else, IMO, fell flat, including the acting of both PBG and SHK.

And I love a quiet, slice of life drama. I watched Because This is My First Life while Boyfriend was airing, and just fell in love with it. I'd never seen or heard of any of the actors, and can't even name the two main actors without looking them up, but it was close to perfect IMO. There is such a stark comparison of how trite, forced, and meaningless in advancing the story every single one of the literary references in Boyfriend were, and the beautiful, nuanced, moving way that Chong Hyon-jong's poem, Visitor, was used, and also the way Doris Lessing's novella, To Room Nineteen, was incorporated as a metaphor to the drama's narrative. Really brilliantly done. I loved all three couples, and the messages - subtly done, and not banging over your head - about marriage, love, and even sexual harassment and gender discrimination in the workplace. I even loved the way Ji-Ho's use of the Mongolian myth, as a metaphor for why she was leaving, was totally misunderstood by Se-hee, and he thought she actually had left Korea and gone to travel there. Ha! It was a small poke at the way Kdramas toss around literary references, just like the first few episodes were poking fun at the mandatory product placement that Kdramas have to deal with in their scripts.

Boyfriend was heavy handed and pretentious with its attempts to make the drama and characters seem "deep," and to substitute for dialogue and action. But don't worry - it was pretty PBG (who was actually really miscast and bad in this role) and pretty SHK, whose "acting" was mostly showing an expressionless face, so they'll surely win Best Couple, Best Lead Actors, and so on and so on. Whatever. It's not like our award shows here in the US aren't political, but at least the nominated actors and films usually deserve the nomination, if not the actual win.

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While I don't agree with you about why a lot of people initially liked Boyfriend - though there were definitely the PBG's smile brigade (just like there was an annoying group who though Hyun Bin's dimples justified 16 episodes of MoTA as well) - I do agree with most of what you said.

What I initially loved about it was the show's use of semiotics - especially of colour - to invert the standard gender tropes of kdramas. The first episode in Cuba for example used colour to contrast her/Korea/dark/cold with him/Cuba/light/warmth in a direct inversion of the usual gender coding of cinematography (men as cold, sterile, unemotional loners and women as warm, social and emotional).

And then the ball episode completely inverted the Cinderella myth with him being the Princess trying to get to the ball with the help of his fairy godmother (the driver) and her being the Prince waiting for him.

The animations told the tale of a woman who just needed an impetus to push for her own emancipation and he was merely that impetus. But at some point I started to realise the animations were telling the story the show was supposed to be about rather than what we were seeing on screen.

When the show really lost me was when I realised that the original episode I had loved was actually just a weird mixup of Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty and Rapunzel. And all the Candy/chaebol trope inversions were completely shallow – this was just a story about a prince rescuing a princess in some form. Totally banal.

What’s the point in having her be the princess and him the pauper if you still insist he has to be a knight in shining armour? This culminated in his hilarious monologue in episode 15 where he couldn't work which fairy tale prince he was supposed to be. Gosh that just made me laugh. Aside from the fact that nobody talks like that, it was just so ridiculous to have this modern male character going "I thought I was supposed to rescue her from the tower but maybe I just locked her up in a new one". I mean, WTAF? God it was so hilariously awful.

I said after episode 12 – which was when the show really lost me – that this story only works if he simply becomes an impetus to her emancipation, not the point of it. And that’s why the show failed. Because every time it tried to forge a new path, it stumbled back onto the old one instead. But that original intention to forge a new path was clearly there. The animations made that point and stood ultimately in stark contrast to what the show ended up being.

The overall message of this became “even strong independent women need a man to rescue them sometimes”. And frankly I can watch any bog standard Candy/Chaebol kdrama for that piece of nonsense. I didn't need it in what was supposed to be a high-concept piece of art but was ultimely shallow, trite and completely banal.

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Wow. Excellent analysis, and I think you really hit the problems this drama had. I missed the part about PBG wondering what fairy tale he was supposed to be in (due to the fast forwarding), but I agree with your issues with this drama.

Although I was already bored with and disappointed in the drama, the ball episode was also the one that put the nail in the coffin for me. The heavy-handed way the episode drove the "fairy tale" narrative was so poorly done. I mean, seriously, Driver Nam not only provided the "coach" and ball outfit for Cinderella PBG, but he actually ended up with a ridiculous pumpkin mask to wear! It's like being hammered over the head with the symbolism, as if it weren't already in-your-face. And then the hideous tin man mask - so suddenly we have Cinderella and . . . The Wizard of Oz? So PBG's character is Cinderella at the Ball, but also has no heart? Whatever.

I don't even really know how this ended. I guess she got to keep the hotel, and he is still working in the PR department, but everything is OK since her family is now ruined - father in prison and mother, mysteriously and magically redeemed when she goes in to strike a plea bargain to avoid prison and get revenge on her ex in-law, running an art gallery.

The part where the assemblyman father invites PBG's character to lunch, and asks him to "take care of" his daughter, and PBG deciding that's his mission in life, was simply nauseating.

The woman was rescued by her father deciding to go to prison rather than let Chairwoman Kim continue to control his life and his political party, and by her ex-husband who made sure she didn't lose the hotel and position as CEO. She did nothing to save her job or make herself independent. I hated this story/message.

I really wish someone would post a translation of the novel or novella this was based on. (At least that's my understanding. Either than or they made big changes to the original screen play, as apparently SKH's character originally had a child from her marriage). I'd like to see if the original is a decent, interesting story, or just another bland, predictable, "fairy tale" romance.

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The Ugly.
Strong Woman Do Bong-soon. So, who exactly determines the ratings of Kdramas anyway? I had heard so much about this drama, and saw that it had something like a 9.7 on Viki, that – although romcoms are far from my favorite - while dithering about what to watch last week, I decided to give it a try. OMG, what total DRECK. Worst. Kdrama. Ever. (Or, to be more accurate, worst that I have watched in the last 7 months of spending every spare moment I have watching Kdramas!) I hated everything about it, but especially the disgusting, juvenile bathroom humor, and ridiculing/mocking gays as a punch line, which was unacceptable and offensive. But virtually everything was horrid, from the ridiculous premise, to the gangsters and school bullies side stories, to the "poop liquor," to the attempt to combine a dumb romcom with a scary, serial kidnapper/murderer plot that featured a lot of gratuitous, disturbing, sexualization of violence against helpless, attractive young women. Why anyone would watch this total garbage is beyond me (so I am once again back at the conclusion that the popularity of a Kdrama often has little to do with quality, and everything to do with how big a fanbase the pretty male lead has).
Now I need dramas to watch! Recs anyone? My top two dramas are Goblin and Because This is My First Life (so different, but I loved each of them SO MUCH). I also loved City Hunter (so sad I can’t watch it or Goblin on Viki), Healer, Legend of the Blue Sea, You From Another Star, Heal Me, Kill Me (DESPITE that super-annoying actress, who made me utterly incapable of watching She Was Pretty, another show with inexplicable popularity – but then, Park Seo-joon is in it, so . . . . I don’t MIND watching just for Teh Pretty, but at least I’m honest about it and don’t pretend it’s some top quality drama!), and most of Lee Jong-suk ‘s and Ji Chang-wook’s dramas. I had a hard time getting into, but ultimately ended up enjoying, What Happened to Secretary Kim and Oh My Venus, which were both light, entertaining fare, with the huge plus of the palpable on-screen chemistry of the OTPs, and the sizzling hotness of the male leads. Ha!

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I love Park Bo Young but I dropped Strong Woman by 3rd episode because I thought it was ridiculous. Never understood the hype.

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The OTP is cute af, the rest of it is... in a word terrible. So you didn't miss anything. Still can't really believe I watched that whole thing. Also don't get the hype.

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I ended up having to ff through everything but the two leads together. That poop wine still makes me gag.

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I really liked the couple because they were cute. But I didn't like the story. I think the way they showed her power was really bad.

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Since you asked for it, I have every reason to rave about my fav dramas:
1. Mother
2. Children of nobody
3. The reply series (I actually only love 1988)
4. Pride and Prejudice
5. Hello Monster/ I remember you.
6. My Ahjussi
7. Misaeng
8. Live
9. Just Between Lovers
10. Signal
11. Age of youth
12. Avengers Social Club
13. Chief Kim
14. Life on Mars
15. Weightlifting fairy Kim Bok Joo
(I can write till 100 but these should be enough for sometime to keep you busy :) Have fun)
*In no particular order, but I like them a lot, some of them are my all time best 10/10.
*Almost none are rom com and are heavily slice of life. Some deal with heavy subject matter like child abuse and so on...
Enjoy!!

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Out of those, Misaeng and Signal are probably at the top of my Want to Watch list.

I read the plot synopsis of Mother, and it sounds too much like work (I'm a former prosecutor, now criminal defense attorney. I hate child abuse cases, and don't want to watch any fictional show about that issue). Probably will never watch Children of Nobody, either.

But I just read the plot synopsis of Pride and Prejudice, and it sounds awesome!! (Have you watched Lawless Lawyer? I also thought that one sounded interesting, but the high rating could be just because of that actor who everyone fell for in Moon Lovers, another drama I will probably never watch. I started it once, and couldn't get past the first episode. It was boring. If an eye-candy scene of 6 or 7 handsome Korean actors bathing in their natural sauna-like pool can't pique my interest, that's a sign I am seriously not liking the show!)

I've had the British series, Life on Mars, on my list of Must Watch shows for years now, but never seem to get around to it. So probably the same for the Kdrama version.

And at this point, because life is stressful and Kdramas are my emotional crack and stress relief, I'm not watching anything that I will hate the ending of. No Romeo and Juliet type romances, no terminal disease shows (ever, actually. I've always hated those and will never watch them). No shows where my favorite hero dies at the end shows. (It's the sole reason I refuse to watch Empress Ki - how DARE they kill off my pretend boyfriend, the gorgeous Ji Chang-wook's character!)

Just Between Lovers sounds interesting, also. I'll check that out.

Thank you so much for the recs! I appreciate you taking the time to share.

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Re: Lawless lawyer: I did not like it for many reasons.

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I stumbled across Pride and Prejudice on Viki just last night but didn't check it out. Seeing its on your fav list, maybe I should go back and take another look.

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After an interesting start, I ended up dropping Strong Woman and to this day think the ratings are based on the popularity of the leads and their solid chemistry. People overlook a lot when a lead couple works for them.

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Had the same feelings about Strong woman Do bong soon and was even more surprised about the hype of the drama on this site. I think I watched it until the end, just out of curiosity, to see where they would end up going with the story, but it was a true disappointment.
As recommendations I would add Chicago Typewriter, the Let's eat series, Jealousy Incarnate, and the currently airing Sky castle.

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Currently Watching :
Clean W Passion for Now
My Strange Hero- glad I stuck with both of them even though I find neither exemplary, because we actually went places character wise this week. Woo!
The Crowned Clown- so far? Bloody brilliant. Pun... intended.
The Liar And His Lover- Still need to finish... -.- got sidetracked by WWWY18 and Memories of Alhambra ending and such.

To Start:
Kingdom- just. waiting. on finding. a watchable. version. still. sigh. what's another few days when I've waited two years.
Romance Is A Book
Tree With Deep Roots- I said I'd watch you this year so dammit watch you I WILL!

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How do you like The Liar and His Lover? I found it pretty enjoyable, though before I was into Korean music or had any idea Joy was an idol. I found the relationship between son and interesting, I liked how they kept it fairly realistic.

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Oh I am loving it! Or was loving it. I technically started it like a year ago, on the end of the craze it drew on DB, and so far it has lived up to what I expected of it. I'm just finding it hard to finish for whatever reason. Don't know if that's the show's fault lol.

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THE LAST EMPRESS- Love this show SO MUCH! I haven't been this excited about a show in a long time.

DEVILISH JOY- Meh.

MY ONLY ONE- Took a week off but will resume next week. This is my white noise drama. All of the mothers and sis in law annoy me, but not enough to hate them or stop watching the show.

HEALER- I'm 3 eps in and I'm liking it. I'm not obsessed, but I'm intrigued by the premise. I'm told that this show is magic so I'm gonna continue and hopefully I experience the magic.

Planning to check out ROMANCE IS A BONUS BOOK and KINGDOM. Let's see if they stick.

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I only finished DJ for the secretary. The rest was very meh for me.

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I'm adding to my white noise dramas which I have on in the background while I'm doing stuff. It just doesn't grab me and there are so many flaws with his not remembering that I can't look past.

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Exactly. His memory worked quite randomly.

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It's more selective amnesia. Should have just said that's what it was cause that's what it feels like.

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Like everyone around the world, last Sunday i completed Memories of Alhambra, i enjoyed the plot and Hyun Bin and a few supporting characters ie Secretary Seo, Min juu, halmoni, the NPCs and the game itself, and the OSTs are lovely and sweet candy to my ears. The ending left me hanging tho, and I am done putting enough crazy rants on my wall 🤣 MoA could get 10/10 but since the ending left me a froth in the mouth, overall i give it 6.5/10 (10/10 for the original idea and the RPG which was my diehard hobby for a decade when i got my first internet at home).

My (kdorama) current watching list:

Top Star Yoo Baek (im going to complete ep. 11 today) - i stay because the old folks of the island are too cute. and i hope for the 2nd lead's happy ending 🤣 6/10.

Sky Castle - the funny families keep me glued to the show. And the evil coach's scheme. 8/10

The Last Empress - nope, i dont high expectation. i still watch it just for the comedy 🤣🤣🤣 6/10

The Crowned Clown
My Lawyer Mr Jo 2
Spring Must Be Coming

To pick (after i finish some of the above):
Kingdom

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Oh my, the last time I commented was back in November and at that time I was on ep 6 of Twelve Nights. I FINALLY finished that show last night and realized why I wasn’t in a rush to finish it. The relationship between the main leads ended up being so frustrating to watch with their wishy washyness that I was continually checking how much time was left before the episode was going to end.

The Last Empress: I am hooked on this show! I’m still a bit behind and need to catch up on the last 2 episodes that aired this week but man oh man... (don’t hate me) I am having a change of heart with Lee Hyuk’s character. Episodes 31-34 where he is starting to fall for Sunny and realizing how crazy his mom is is making me root for him to change for the good. SSR is such a good actor.. making me hate him one moment and cheering him on the next! I’ve read a bit about Wang Shik possibly having a sad ending and I hope that isn’t so. I really like the ridiculousness of this drama and I hope the writers give a happy ending!

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Coffee Friends is still my choice of show when i need something to chill with (preferably with food). i do wish they'd buy a dishwasher to let them interact more with each other and the guests.. and give ho jun an electric milk frother ffs, poor guy's arm going numb from all the grinding and pumping (that sounds SO wrong omg) XD

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LOL! Totally agree. Are they doing things like that to make the show interesting? Yeon Suk caught me off guard with his damn near perfect English. I adore this show. I wish they would do one more season of Yoon's Kitchen and a second season for this show.

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i guess the dish washing part is for the lulz.. it is quite funny to see stars (tvxq!) being a part-timer conned into doing something mundane as washing dishes, but it gets old fast..i prefer them doing the front work and interact more (somebody gotta help ho jun with all that pumping! XD)

from what i know, YYS often travels/backpacks overseas personally, so he probably picked up decent conversational english along the way, and have the confidence to speak it

i hope they do more things like that impromptu (and terribly off key XD) birthday song for YYS fan

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Boyfriend

I only watched the last two episodes this week, and by the end of the week. What can I say??
It seems also nobody else is watching this?? By this time (Sunday morning) only three beanies have written something about this show, and I feel I have so much and so little to say at the first time!!!🙄🙄🙄🙄

What I liked:

- no exactly noble idiocy. I liked the fact that she was honest about why to break up with him, and he was soo honest about why not to let her go.
- open end for many characters. We had discussed this before, and I know many must be unsatisfied about it now, but if you really come to think of it... life carries on. You "end" up a relationship you have (with someone, with a story, with a job you had) but you don't get to know how other things and people involved come to and end as well... this drama had a lot of fairy tale allusions, but these open ends I actually feel they were very realistic, and they were nice open. The bad one in jail, Sh's dad also in jail, but happier... Dae chan and Secretary Jang kind of dating or at least being friends; driver nam and kim manager spending time together...
Jh's parents with their simple life... and so on... I think it was very realistic.

What I dislike:
- Sh's stubbornness on something that it didn't make much sense. She didn't even try to give JH's mother time, just like he asked her. But well, at least she apologized for that.
- JH kept on being an employee at Dongwha hotel. I know... he was good at it and had a great work team... And also, he was never interested in class, but I feel he could have been in a better position just working somewhere else. Or would people stop gossiping them just because his mother accepted Soo hyun at the end??
- the dialogues. Not that they were bad, but I felt them a little bit lazy at the end, in comparison with the past episodes.

Overall: I was satisfied with the end. It is hard to write a good end for a drama, and even more if the writing has been consistent until ep. 14. So, I was really happy that at least the writer kept the tone and the personalities of our leads. They remain faithful to themselves and that was a nice touch. The music, the melancholic tone, the simplicity... I liked that.
More spectacular display of passion, mackjang, actions, etc... would have been an exaggeration.
It sounds masochist but I liked that when they suffered, they suffered at the same time and they knew they were suffering, and when they were happy, they were happy at the same time and they were happy together. In many dramas we see the one suffering but pretending he is ok, and the other one also suffering but pretending she wants to hurt him, or the other way around, and even insulting each other, just to reconcile and be happy the very last 5 minutes... I hate that...
Here, at least, they didn't become someone else and they knew they loved each other the whole time.
I liked that.
No stupid second leads, no...

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....no jealousy and no misunderstandings...
It was overall a good drama. I would give it a 7 and I would watch it again at least once😊

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I agree with you.
I like the ending we had for the second characters, because in general I don't like when a show ends with all the characters paired. It always seems too unrealistic and done to try to please the viewers.

About the main couple, in particular I liked the quiet efforts JH made not to lose SH (I loved the scene with the shoes!) and the fact that he supported her even if her choice made him suffer.

I liked the way JH's mum used to apologise: homemade food and invitation to dinner with the family. It seemed the right and huge way to make SH feel accepted.
And SH's mum had a bittersweet ending without some pathetic scene with her daughter, she remained coherent with her character.

And I liked the ending. I really wanted a happy one. I loved the little things, the walking, the plan for dinner, the banters... I would have enjoyed a whole episode of these (as the last ep. of Beauty inside, that some people criticized as fan service, but that I loved).

I will rewatch surely.

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The parents and evil moms remain coherent. That is true. I appreciated SH didn't hate her mom, but she didn't seem to love her either, and that is ok, because the mom didn't do much to earn her love in her adult life.
Yet, SH did something nice when she reminded her mom how she used to be cool...
At least, being in charge of a gallery, could make the mother become "cooler" in time, maybe. But even if it was not the case, SH didn't need her approval for anything else. If there was a mother she tried to please, it was JH's mom. I wish I could have seen a scene of JH's family with Sh at the end, but at least we got to know she was often there.
And wasn't it cute how he asked her to marry him?? It was simple just like the way they were simple... I liked that.
A proposal doesn't need to be spectacular.

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About Sh's mum, in that scene at her home, it was like SH said goodbye to all the negative bonds with her mother. You're right, she didn't hate her, but neither loved her so much. She was her dauther, and wanted her mother be peaceful, at least.

Oh, I would have liked to see SH and JH's mum cook together!

Yes, the proposal was cute... and the fact she didn't have to say a word to accept it.

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My Strange Hero I really like YSH as an actor but for this drama it's more KDY who shows how good he is as an actor.

Clean With Passion for Now How to make happy angry watchers because there will be only one episode this week? Give them a 3 minutes long kissing scene!

The Crowned ClownI'm not really interested in politics but the different relationships are great.

An Empress's Dignity Still crazy...

Boyfriend I didn't like this drama because it was a fairy tale with the perfect charming prince and the princess in distress with beautiful actors, places and a lot of products placements.

<b<SKY Castle I didn't watch the last episode for now.

Top Star Yoo Baek They're too cute :D

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Again... I never notice the PPL...
Boyfriend was a fairy tale, yes... But it was told quiet and beautifully. Since I am an Unnie, I liked it. I didn't love it to death... of course it was not a Korean masterpiece, but it was good enough.

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Really? You're lucky. I found it pretty distractive.

It was not the quiet and beautifully my issue but the fact I couldn't feel anything for the main characters. All the scenes were too staged for me and I couldn't feel any chemistry.

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😐😐😐😐😐😐😐
Me, I never or very rarely notice the ppl.
But that's an advantage. 😂

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It doesn't bother me when it's done well like Subway in MoA, gamers eating a sandwich in Subway was not weird, but the shampoo one with PSH was useless... Subway in Encounter was really weird.

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Memories of A....is on Netflix...still can't get into it. I've tried. Just hate the whole video game theme. I did marathon the first season of Kingdom and it's good. I'm not all that stoked about zombies as a theme. I am an American so they aren't anything new to me. I quit watching The Walking Dead after about 5 seasons. That's a record for me lately. They aren't the shuffling slow moving walking dead type, they're more like the UK, 28 Days, Train to Busan style.

The cast is good. Although I think 6 episodes is kind of skimp for a "season". Even series with short "seasons" usually have 8 or 10 episodes. These are probably more expensive to produce. The sets, costuming and production values like Mr. Sunshine and Memories are there with this series too. This is a good role for Joo Ji hoon because he's not a comedian. He's one of those "one note" melodrama actors that we like anyway because he does look good with a scowl.

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Actually @Mary, you're wrong. It's killing SKY Castle Beanies that we have nowhere to deconstruct it on Dramabeans =( I've been resorting to really lousy threads on Reddit to just get my fix. Frankly it's really really really disappointing that there hasn't been a place here for discussion of such a great show. =(

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Seriously! I understand there’s never enough time to recap every drama and there are many dramas that may not interest the editors enough based on the trailer. Still it would be nice if all the dramas not being recapped get a post for all the rants and rave. Like Empress’ Dignity can use a post too. I see no purpose to recap Kingdom since it was released entirely, but a post for all the horrified viewers to spam with emojis can be beneficial to our mental health 😂

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My crush this week would be REVENGE NOTE a.k.a. Sweet Revenge, starring Along with The Gods' maknae (Kim Hyang Gi), Sky Castle's Kang Ye Bin (Lee Ji Won), Gangnam Beauty's Do Kyung Seok (Cha Eun Woo) and Park Solomon. The story evolves around a pushover highschooler named Ho Goo Hee (Kim Hyang Gi) who gets bullied all the time (by her beautiful school friends as well as her gorgeous looking brother). One day, she suddenly got a chance of revenge with the mysterious appearance of an app in her phone called Revenge Note. If she is wronged (or if she witnessed wrongdoings somewhere), she has the chance to write the name of the person who wronged her in that app, and the revenge shall somehow be carried out, one way or another. Sounds scary right? Not quite. Bearing in mind that this is a teen drama, the revenge is quite mild, not always directly related to the wrongdoing and prank-level instead of real punishment, but quite effective.
I watched ep 1 one night and ended up watching all the way up to ep 11 the following night. The story is adorable and leaving me feeling utterly satisfied within every 2 eps. Definitely targeted for teens and young adults, but it is entertaining for older adults too. It sends me straight back to school, and makes me thankful for having siblings not as annoying as Kim Hyang Gi's brother. Gangnam Beauty fans out there might like this series too. Cha Eun Woo played as himself and is super adorable here. The first Park Solomon drama that I watched and I am liking his character here.

CROWNED CLOWN
what is not to love from this drama? I even rewatch Masquerade because of this drama! I love it that all characters here has some story to tell.

NEIGHBORHOOD LAWYER
I love it when the crazy villain is actually crazy for a reason, not only because they are born evil.

I didnt watched BOYFRIEND this week. I want to watch SKY CASTLE first.

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I wasn't going to post, but...after reading a fantastic analysis of MEMORIES OF THE ALHAMBRA on another site, I gained a whole new perspective on the drama, so with different eyes I binge watched it this weekend. Absolutely loved it. She didn't cry as much as I remembered. She wasn't a "stand by your man" but the steady influence in his life that was spiraling downwards into an abyss. She was the only person who didn't abandon him, but had faith in him. Which was part of what this story was about - faith. In the end, he also had faith in her that she would come find him, as she had done in the past. I didn't remember or realize how many times throughout the drama she had saved his life in one way or another. So it wasn't about the typical romance but faith and love. At least that's what I've taken away from watching it again, and I'm so glad.
KINGDOM: How do you make a zombie drama boring? It's possible.
However, I read some rave reviews about it, so maybe I just wasn't in a zombie mood at the time. After awhile I'll try again.

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I love loved Kingdom!! It was incredibly shot and gripping. Can’t wait for season 2 :))

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I found Kingdom utterly enthralling. It surpassed all my expectations and beyond. On an objective note, the show is not perfect; it suffers from a villain whose motive is insipid and a lack of interesting female characters (for now). However, by Episode 3 I was completely engrossed because at the heart of the conflict, be it the undead dilemma or the political strife, is an intimate and humane story of a Crown Prince's growth to become someone worthy after being told his whole life otherwise. Yes, running zombies is fun and all but I think their main purpose is to juxtapose with the evil of humanity, to show us the way the undead are no match for the evil that lies in people. The show also uses the zombies as a commentary on the hierarchal feudal system, which is the real 'disease' causing the nation's downfall.

I hope you give the show another chance if the premise interests you but I would not recommend you approaching it as a 'zombie show' but instead, a political drama with zombies. Happy viewing!

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Yes, the plague was entirely man-made. On top of that, the rich and powerful are consciously making things worse for others to save themselves while the poor commoners hopelessly fight for their lives.

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Lord Cho - what is he thinking.

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Hello below has said most of the points.
I love thrillers, actions etc. the first episode was basically a setup for what is to come. By the end of episode 1 I was completely hooked.
I also like the little tweaks they made to the zombie rules. And how people are fighting for survival. To each his own. Not the modern day zombie fights with bombs/advanced warfare etc. the strategies are cleanly executed in episodes 4/6.
I love the political setup and how the crown prince unexpectedly ends up in a situation which makes him question his own worth and ability and step up the game. I Believe that a great king is made when he is in touch with the people of his land. And that’s exactly the opportunity he gets. He is learning to wage a war against zombies while trying to be a leader in unfamiliar territories.
The whole class divide makes for another interesting set up. In zombie land no rules apply. The disease spreads like wild fire and can only be contained if mankind stays together.
And then this drama is so well made - very well shot, excellent casting, very tight screenplay etc.

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Ju Ji Hoon is superb in the way he brings out the Crown Prince's vulnerability; he grapples with fear and insecurity and yet he must lead and protect. The cinematography is grand - I feel like I'm watch a six-part film instead of a tv-show. I'm anticipating for Seo Bi's arc as her character felt underwhelming this season (especially for a talent like Bae Doona...)

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Hello again,
Yes. I want SeoBi to bring more. I understand she is the brain behind the virus but I need more screen time :))

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Are you referring to Bitchesoverdramas? @packmule3 is the best.

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Yes! Were you the one who clued me in to that link? If so, thanks so much!

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Not for Memories of the Alhambra but I had a blast chatting with her and others about Fluttering Alert. I think she's also watching The Crowned Clown.

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I'm curious about Fluttering Alert comments - I thought it was gawdawful.

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So I just read Fluttering Alert and your comment as well as packmule 3 so now I have to try it again! My favorite with CJM is Heart to Heart.
Polar Vortex? It's 70 where I am. Don't miss the winters in Mpls at all.

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@linda-palapala *tsk* Did you just boast about being in 70 degree weather? *tsutsuloo adjusts ski goggles and tightens belt on snow pants*

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@linda-palapala as a resident of your former state, I would like to officially say, "Throwing your 70F in our frozen faces is just mean"

@tsutsuloo Don't forget your scarf, or perhaps a balaclava is better suited to keep the frostbite from your nose.

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@tsutsuloo @egads If it will make you feel any better, I once moved from Hawaii to Mpls in the middle of winter. Took me three winters - I mean years -, to make it back to Calif. I cried when I realized I only needed a sweater in Ca that Dec.
Re: Memories of Alhambra. After reading BitchesOverDramas take on the importance of the scenes taking place in bathrooms, I may need to watch MoA for the third time.

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@egads: I once had to walk a mile in 40 degrees below zero to catch the bus.

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OMG - this was the most epic k-drama analysis I have ever read! Thank y'all for the heads up.

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I so agree - most epic analysis! I binge watched MoA again this weekend and realized how good it really is. So thank all y'all db posters who clued us in to this site!

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Sky Castle - that cliffhanger!
Saikou no rikon ep 1 - I wanted to watch a jdrama so started this but is this good?
When we were young ep 1 - read that beanies recommend this one so I try it out.
Kingdom ep 2
The Crowned Clown - so much happened for 4 eps

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Saikou no Rikon is awesome :)

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Saikou No Rikon, Kdrama wouldn't bother to remake it if it's not good. It's from the same writer of Mother. His first dorama was pan Asia phenomenon back in the early 90s, so yes, this writer is legendary.

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I'm back!

So I watched Romance Is A Bonus Book late last night and gobbled up the first two episodes with a quickness! I can't wait for this story line to unveil. I normally don't watch shows as they're airing because I hate waiting a week in between each set of episodes but I think this one will be an exception! The chemistry between the 2 leads is soooo good and I can't wait to see how the 2nd male lead will play into the story. Excitedddd!

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I just started 'Liver or Die'. What a dark series. Its as though the producers thought 'My Ajusshi' wasn't quite bleak enough.

When I watch 'Boyfriend' I think to myself "Imagine what the story would be like if that pair had the chemistry of Pretty Noona". Noona romances should generate heat, not ennui. This pair should be as flaming hot and scandalous as 'Secret Love Affair' from 2014.

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Kingdom is AMAZING! Especially after watching the let-down that was MoA, the carnage in Kingdom was so cathartic - and that is how you write a ending/cliffhanger! (I bet you that the zombies from Kingdom can kill the zombie NPCs in MoA! You don't deserve to even be zombies, MoA characters!). My only complaint was why only six episodes??? Please give us at least 12 or 13 in season 2.

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You should read bitchesoverdramas take on MoA, especially the importance of the bathroom scenes! I loved MoA and want to watch it again. On the other hand, I've seen so many zombie flicks that I found myself ff thru all the zombie scenes that I've seen countless times.

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@vishnusa
"why 6 episodes"

This may help....
KINGDOM = greatest "End of the world" drama ever made.

Originally I expected a sequel because the unfinished story threads. However, Pompeii was full of people leading normal lives with stories...until it just wasn't. Normality snuffed out is the end of the world.

It took a day to sink in...but WOW. Originally I thought the ending was Season 2 setup. But....

- The number of zombies to make the ground shake...there is no surviving that. (Those Korean walls/gates would not hold back that many zombies...they would just pile up at the walls and form their own zombie ramp)
- Zombies are so virulent that in a number of days they consumes an entire provence of Korea. The entire landmass from Korea to Africa is now doomed to zombies.
- There is no point showing the end of the world. Any attempt can never capture the horror and there is no dramatic story in a world of just zombies.

A question I have been pondering:
Did Young-Shin spike the soup deliberately?
- He deliberately sought out the doctor (after doctor had created the zombie king)
- There is a Lord Cho mole
- He came from Sangju (Lord An Hyun's villiage)
- Lord An Hyun knew of the zombies (past experience)
- Something bad happened to the people from his home
- Young-Shin knew about people in south eating people
- Did Young-Shin know about how zombies spread from experience?

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Clean With Passion for Now: I watched this after Memories of the Alhrambra, and Gil O -Sol's (Kim Yoo Jung's) cheery ways were so refreshing and infectious, after having to commiserate with a crying Hee Ju (Park Shin Hye) in MOTA. And I must say I am so glad to have Yoon Kyun Sang step in to play Mr Jang. He hit all the right comedic notes and yet can come off being earnest and sincere at the same time. Despite the usual rom com tropes, thought the story was well excuted. The sountracks too were catchy and memorable.

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KINGDOM = greatest "End of the world" drama ever made.

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It took a day to sink in...but WOW.

Originally I thought the ending was Season 2 setup. But....

- The number of zombies to make the ground shake...there is no surviving that. (The korean walls/gates would not hold back that many zombies)
- Zombies are so virulent that in a number of days they consumes an entire provence of Korea. The entire landmass from Korea to Africa is now doomed to zombies.
- There is no point showing the end of the world. Any attempt can never capture the horror and there is no dramatic story in a world of just zombies.
- Originally I expected a sequel because the unfinished story threads. However, Pompeii was full of people leading normal lives with stories...until it just wasn't. Normality snuffed out is the end of the world.

One last question....
Did Young-Shin spike the soup deliberately?
- He deliberately sought out the doctor
- He came from Sangju (Lord An Hyun's villiage)
- Lord An Hyun knew of the zombies (past experience)
- Something bad happened to the people from his home
- Young-Shin knew about people in south eating people
- Did Young-Shin know about how zombies spread from experience?

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May I ask why SKY Castle isn’t being recapped? 😭

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