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Moon in the Day: Episodes 1-2

A vengeful spirit latches onto the woman he loved when he was alive, and for 1,500 years, he remains by her side, plotting his revenge. The opportunity to return finally presents itself to him one day, and thus, their doomed tale begins again. A man who remembers everything and a woman who has forgotten — will this be their love story or their death?

 
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Moon in the Day: Episodes 1-2

Two timelines, two souls, one curse, and over a millennium of angst. The premiere of Moon in the Day wastes no time jumping into the story, and opens in the past, 1,500 years ago during the fall of Gaya. The general dies on the battlefield at the hands of Shilla nobleman DO HA (Kim Young-dae) who immediately kills the rest of his family to set an example.

However, his daughter HAN RI-TA (Pyo Ye-jin) survives and vows to get revenge on the man who ruined her life. An undisclosed amount of time passes until one fateful night, Do Ha stands over his dead body as a spirit and watches the woman he loved run away after slashing his throat. Ri-ta turns around to look at Do Ha one last time before jumping off a cliff, and with the roles reversed, Do Ha is now the one seeking revenge.

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All these events appear as a nightmare to Ri-ta’s present-day reincarnation KANG YOUNG-HWA (Pyo Ye-jin) who wakes up in a cold sweat with no recollection of her dream. Though the frequent night terrors bother her, Young-hwa is thrust back to reality when duty calls, and she rushes off with the rest of her squad to put out a fire. Hailed as the “miracle firefighter,” Young-hwa has never lost a life, and for her latest feat, she saves ousted-CEO SEOK CHUL-HWAN (Jung Woong-in) and his dog.

Her heroism becomes the inspiration for a new public service advertisement, and the face of the campaign is top star HAN JUN-OH (Kim Young-dae). Though Jun-oh looks identical to vengeful spirit Do Ha, the two are not the same — in fact, their personalities seem to be polar opposites. Jun-oh is your typical bratty celebrity, and cleaning up after his messes is his older brother and management company CEO HAN MIN-OH (Ohn Joo-wan).

Creating scandals left and right, Jun-oh gets caught on camera with his actor girlfriend JUNG YI-SEUL (Jung Shin-hye), but their lop-sided relationship comes to a close when she breaks up with him via post-it note while he sleeps. However, Jun-oh never sees the message and wakes up in the hospital. As it turns out, he has late-stage cardiac cancer, but currently, only Min-oh hears about his condition since our top star returns to film the advert he postponed.

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Young-hwa appears on set for the re-filming and finds herself non-immune to Jun-oh’s good looks. Those initial butterflies, though, quickly disappear as soon as she interacts with him off-camera, and they end up fighting. As Young-hwa huffs about the rude punk, she hears a commotion and discovers Jun-oh passed out in the driver’s seat of his van. The vehicle crashes into the river — I guess no one thought to put it in park — and without a moment of hesitation, she dives in after him.

While Young-hwa manages to free Jun-oh, her foot gets stuck in the process, and she loses consciousness. Floating in the water, Do Ha reaches out to her, and as their lips meet, she wakes up and swims to shore. Back on land, Jun-oh is unresponsive, and all her efforts to save him are for naught as the doctor in the ER pronounces him dead.

After Jun-oh’s body is placed in the morgue, Do Ha’s spirit enters it, and he wakes up without a single bruise. The first thing our new host does is find Young-hwa who fainted after Jun-oh’s death, and embraces her. He claims to have missed her, but while his words sound sweet, his actions say otherwise. He reaches for a knife, but as he attempts to stab her, an invisible force pushes him away.

Relieved to see Jun-oh alive, Young-hwa ignores the fact that he is holding a knife and checks to see if he is all right. Her actions remind Do Ha of the past, and the memory makes him faint. When he wakes up again, Young-hwa has already left the hospital, but Do Ha has waited far too long for her to get away this easily. After being discharged, he finds out where she lives, and goes for a second attempt.

Like before, a force field shields Young-hwa from harm, and Do Ha seethes at the unknown interloper. He demands to know who is protecting her, but Young-hwa scoffs since her goal has always been to protect others, not the other way around. Unable to do anything, Do Ha retreats for now and resumes his role as top star Jun-oh.

Of course, the people around Do Ha notice the change in his behavior, but the doctor chalks it up as a stress response to a traumatic experience. Though it is a shoddy explanation, it makes more sense than vengeful-spirit-body-possession, so Do Ha’s identity remains hidden to all except for his poor manager who learns the truth and becomes his new lackey.

At first, Do Ha thinks his new body may be an inconvenience, but when he reads over a script Jun-oh was eyeing, he recalls the source of Young-hwa’s guardian angel: a talisman a young monk gifted her when she was a child. Thus, Do Ha sets up a new plan to break his curse and invites Young-hwa to the press conference of his new drama, co-starring Jun-oh’s ex-girlfriend Yi-seul.

In front of all the reporters, Do Ha thanks Young-hwa for saving his life, and his declaration causes a minor commotion. Unaccustomed to all this attention, Young-hwa runs away to an empty room, but inside, Do Ha waits for her. Like the others, she assumes he is traumatized from the accident, but his demeanor remains resolute. Leaning towards her, he tells Young-hwa that he will keep her by his side every day, and she stares at him speechless.

Meanwhile, Do Ha’s little stunt at the press conference irks both Yi-seul as well as actor GU TAE-JU who was originally cast in the role. A little maneuvering by Min-oh got Tae-ju essentially blacklisted, and he blames Jun-oh for his demise. Drunk and pissed, Tae-ju causes a scene at Jun-oh’s house, and Do Ha ignores him until the actor mentions Young-hwa’s name. The mere insinuation of Tae-ju harming Young-hwa angers Do Ha, and he uses his ghostly powers to scare the actor into submission.

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While we know Do Ha needs no help in keeping gnats like Tae-ju away, Min-oh still sees him as his little brother and hires a bodyguard to protect him 24/7. In a matter of seconds, Do Ha tosses the bodyguard to the ground and offers a compromise to Min-oh: he will choose his own.

Unaware of Do Ha’s schemes, Young-hwa returns to work where she is showered with accolades for saving Jun-oh. At night, she celebrates her “Firefighter of the Month” award with her squad, and they congratulate her on getting one of the three positions down at the Antarctic research station.

Giddy and tipsy, Young-hwa steps out of the party for some fresh air and stumbles across a poster of Jun-oh. She tells him that she will be leaving, and from behind, Do Ha asks where she is going. She momentarily thinks he popped out from the ad, but she snaps back to her senses when Do Ha asks her to be his bodyguard. She tells him that she will be going far away soon, but Do Ha refuses to let her leave.

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Young-hwa makes a bet with Do Ha on whether or not she can go, and his face falls as her words echo the same ones uttered by Ri-ta long ago. In the past, she was the one trying to hold onto him while he wanted her to leave. All he had to do was cross the stepping stones without looking back, but as he was about to win, Ri-ta cheated and hugged him. Turning around to face her, Do Ha accepted defeat and kissed her.

Returning to the present, Do Ha stands in Jun-oh’s house where a similar path of rocks adorns his living room. In voiceover, he tells Young-hwa not to blame him for cheating since she was the one who taught him.

With that, the show ends with a musical crescendo and a camera swivel to emphasize the drama of their bitter tale, but I’m left feeling… apathetic? Overall, the show was unoffensive without any glaring flaws, but in the same vein, I found it a bit bland and uninspired. None of the performances are bad per se, but they do feel a little lackluster, especially Kim Young-dae as Do Ha. I actually preferred his performance as Jun-oh more, and though I dislike bratty men, I thought he was more interesting as the rockheaded top star than as the vengeful spirit.

At this point, I’m unsure if Jun-oh is gone for good because I don’t get the impression that Do Ha can stay. The whole point of his existence is about moving on whether or not he kills Young-hwa because, in the end, his arc seems to be about closure more than anything else. Though he tries to kill her, there are hints of other emotions behind his actions, and it would not be a stretch to say that Do Ha appears to love Ri-ta (and in conjunction Young-hwa) as much as he hates her. When he flashes to the past, he remembers the good moments alongside the bad even after all these years, which makes me believe Do Ha is still clinging onto her and feeding into his so-called curse.

I think the most compelling part of Do Ha’s story is that he’s been stuck this entire time next to the woman he loved, and has watched her live and die through multiple past lives. Even if he wasn’t angry at her for killing him, I feel like any soul would eventually break after such an experience. It will be interesting to see how the story pans out because I think the premise is ripe with potential even if I found the first week a tad trite. Hopefully as the show continues, I’ll get more invested in the characters and finally understand why the creators chose to adapt this webtoon despite all the fans asking them to leave it alone.

Moon in the Day: Episodes 1-2

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Finally! Been waiting for this, I'm still doubting if I should watch this, because I don't want to be depressed if this has a sad ending, but I'll read the recaps in the meantime.

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I’m going to out and say it: I feel that all signs point to a tragic ending. I’m always on the Pollyanna side for these things, but there were clues here especially in episode 2 that really had me saying, “Oh, nothing good’s gonna come of this…”

Which, frankly, is fine with me. I’d rather be expecting that than have the rug pulled out from under us.

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I think the tragic ending fits this story perfectly. But whether it will be a real tragedy, I wouldn't approach it that way. ML deserves a real death after centuries as an evil spirit. I have no idea what will happen to FL. Maybe she'll live, maybe she won't. The most important thing is that before the finale they have at least some happy moments untainted by the sins of the past, if possible.

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You have described the best case scenario. I agree on all counts.
Just hope the execution is good and they don't meander their way through the story.

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If a man child character is not off putting enough, somebody thinks it is a good idea to play the same character three times in a row 🤷‍♀️
For now I stay for the mystery unfold but if he is irritating enough. He will be the reason I drop this drama.

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I really don't understand his - or his management - decision to pick similar characters in sequence this way. and it's not like he's excelling in any of them either.

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Try, try till ... the casting director says thank you!

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Maybe they feel this is type of character is his thing.

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Thus I don't agree with the casting decision here. There are better 30 something actors or better yet a much more experienced actor in saeguk.

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I watched the first 2 episodes and decided to drop. The premise is interesting but the execution isn't. Plus the lead actors don't have the acting chops or the charisma to carry off their roles.

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I wasn’t sure e what to make of this drama. We had a first episode with a childish dumb male lead, like a cute puppy and before we knew, he has a cardiac tumor and he is dead. And now his body is possessed. I wasn’t sure what to make of this. Are we supposed to forget this character?

And then episode 2 happened. Apparently, the body is like a hard disk and memories can be retrieved by possessed soul anytime. So, now we are to think they both are kinda there in that body?

And the whole connection to the past came across as lacklustre. It did nothing for me. I didn’t feel any emotional connect at any point in time. The scenes from the last seem to erratic and don’t provide the depth it’s supposed to. And what’s with a random walkway decor appearing in his house so it connects to the past??

I didn’t feel the leads chemistry either. Its ep 2 and she is already affected by him!! Why? Because she saved him!

And when you hear the ML say ‘I am figuring out what I am capable of, too’ sounds like the writer is saying ‘I am going to keep making up rules as I go’.

I like Kim Young Dae, so I am conflicted about dropping this. I would have liked if both versions were alive so we had his two faces appear randomly. With one dead, I am not sure how this will get resolved. Possibly, he will die again.

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In my opinion, the actor is dead. His memories were a kind of spiritual matter that ML, as an evil spirit, could "attract" and "absorb" to himself.

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My comments are only based on Ep 1 because its a drop from me.

The FL's profession as fire fighter brought back the trauma of watching "First Responders S1" drama. Thats started off the negative points for this drama.

The ML's character is neither funny nor sympathetic. There goes another minus because nothing was shown in Ep 1 for the audience to root for their characters.

"I can act in an historical drama" statement by Han Joon Oh feels like a meta of his real life as an actor. I am yet to see him improve from his "Extraordinary You" kdrama days. He should stop taking lead roles and hone his skills with supporting roles.

Pyo Ye Jin is so pretty in the historical costume and seems to pulling more than her weight because both her co-star and script seem to be lacking the charm.

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statement by Kim Young Dae's fictional character Han Joon Oh*

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I agree that KYD need to hone his skills. I feel like this role would work better with another actor that has mastered saguek roles and also beefier. He wasn't believable in his action scenes since he looked too skinny. I can't help but compare to Gong Yoo in Goblin who was amazing.

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I am still giving it a go..
As I would like to know more abt the Silla dynasty scenes though I am not sure of KYD acting skills. Yes, one cannot get any handsome or good looking actor to act in a historical drama, without considering their experience in the genre.

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The hook for me too is the Silla Dynasty. Bit I will wait for the drama to finish and gauge Beanie response.

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** But

Guess serves me right trying to start a sentence like that. 🤷‍♀️

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I think they completely missed the story telling with these 2 episodes.

I wished they focused only on the silla period and the couple. Like that, we could have understood the anger of the ghost and their relationship, then, handling the present timeline.

There are a lot of question, did she commit suicide or not? If she did, she shouldn't have been reincarnated. How did he find her reincarnations? Why he stayed as ghost form? Just because he was angry she did what he let her do in the first place? Did he forget he hanged her family?

But in this case, we got 4 different characters we didn't understand really well, the actors didn't have any chemistry so there was no angst just weird interactions.

It's the easy solution that the ghost got all the informations he needed from the body. The guy is dead or not?

I'm not convinced by the actors neither.

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There was definitely something off with the pacing of this drama. For some reason, I was getting Born Again vibes with the craziness.

I'll still check out the next two episodes and then go from there.

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The logic of those times. He killed her family, who betrayed whoever was in power at the time. He had the right to kill them. She had no right to revenge. She married him, so he had the right to expect loyalty. By killing him, she betrayed him as his wife. His anger and disappointment, sadness that his beloved wife killed him, made him become an evil spirit that stayed with her throughout her subsequent renicarnations. She committed suicide and her punishment is probably the fact of his presence as a evil spirit with her. I think so.

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It's not logical at all. If he had the right to kill them, she had the right to revenge them even if she had to die in the process. He married her knowing she tried to kill him and let her try again, so he didn't have the right to expect anything from her.

She couldn't reincarn if she commited suicide, it's the usual rules.

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I don't think that the eastern reincarnation "laws" known from other dramas apply in this story. I see a lot of Western influence here in how the issue of spirituality is presented.
She became his wife, she became his family, so she should let go of revenge. She started a new life, so she should let go of her old life.

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She had to do a lot of things when he can do whatever he wants. Patriarchy in all its splendor.

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Oh my how did i miss that… they married???

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There was a nice, brief moment between the brothers Jun Oh and Min Oh at the hospital. I wanted to see more of that relationship explored, but Do Ha replacing Jun Oh put a halt on that.

Not feeling the romance yet. I'm confused that he actually fell for her and let his guard down, knowing she is out for revenge. And he has the audacity to be soooo angry at her when he had killed her family??

Haven't seen Kim Young Dae and Pyo Ye Jin as leads and I like them both so I was curious about them here. Her character is fine. Nothing spectacular.

I wasn't expecting the ghostly actions so that was fun. And all of Do Ha's eye rolls & annoyed faces.

So far, low stakes with this drama. Will continue with it some more.

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Yeah, if I were him, I feel like I would have been like "yeah, I totally get why you killed me...i hope we're even now." Even if she loved him and wasn't personally angry, the fact still remains that he had killed her family and was part of the people who subjugated her people....like on a loyalty level, it wouldn't be unexpected that he had to die.

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honestly, to me Do Ha came across as desperate to move on by any means available, rather than angry. I saw very little anger and quite a bit of resignation and exhaustion. For a second there, I even thought that the FL's mysterious 'deity' helping her save everyone might be him, helping her out - her certainly did seem to reach out to her in a positive way a couple times in Ep 1.

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He has the typical way of thinking of people from centuries ago. He killed her family, but since she became his wife, she should forgive him and become his family. It was quite typical for women of conquered peoples, daughters of slain enemies, etc. to become wives or slaves. They became part of a new community and had to forget about the crimes against their former community.

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And the award for “#7: The Character who most screams for mental health care.“ goes to~!!!

*Came back wrong trope* but it ain't him that came back at all.

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*cracks knuckles* Patented Minority Opinion? Maybe. I apologise for nothing. No disclaimer we die like Kim Young Dae…. wait

This premise was never going to be my cup of tea, as I’ve been pretty vocal about, so it will come as a surprise to literally nobody, including myself, that I was not a fan of. This. *gestures vaguely*

But I also think that this is poorly edited, poorly written, poorly directed and the first two episodes have confirmed my feelings that KYD is incredibly miscast in this.
(I think he is perfectly serviceable in the right role, but alas, I also think those right roles have nothing to do with Sageuks, or anything that requires him to be taken seriously, at all, either by the show, his character, or by me the viewer.)

I was teased, mercilessly, by the first 10 minutes, and then thrown through an editing blender to an very poorly directed present, wherein Kim Young Dae hammed up a much worse, much brattier and much more annoying (id est, not endearingly annoying in the slightest) version of his Shooting Stars character - who is only really sympathetic in that he’s probably going to end up as a plot device and currently has a ghost desecrating his dead body - and Pyo Ye Jin got Zero Character Set Up. Who is she, beyond a star firefighter who saves a lot of people and wants to go to Antarctica? Beats me. I also want to go to Antarctica.

I desperately wished for the return to Silla and the deaththroes of Gaya, that I was willing to take even with the inaccurate swords (the horror) and campy Orpheus and Euridice revenge story, because… well, we’re 3K trash, who doesn’t know that by now.

Alas, this show seems intent on administering my Silla therapy shots in the dreaded flashback formula, as I initially feared, and doing so in an equally poorly executed manner at that.

And then episode 2 came along.

Do Ha slipping back into Sageuk Dialect* all the time would be a lot funnier if, you know, KYD could actually speak it properly, and if his delivery didn’t… uhm, suck.
The directing and music are additionally compensating hard core for his lack of gravitas in serious, or in this case, attempted threatening or creepy roles.

If KYD as a worse version of Tae Sung was doing nothing for me, then KYD as a creepy obsessed ghost with a 1500 year long vendetta (that currently makes no sense, and in the future I have my doubts either), also currently inhabiting a dead man’s body, who, the show has assured us, is actually dead, but who’s body’s memories are also doing some haunting of their own, and is also… still dying of cancer… is not doing anything for me either... TO BE CONT.

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CONT.

I can predict a couple of major directions this show is likely to take, but I still have a hard time finding anything about the supposed main “couple”, in the present even remotely romantic, now, or later on. This should neither have been billed as one, nor been one entirely, perchance.

Presumably however, the ghost learnt hangul over the course of his 1500 year grudge, out of necessity? Or nothing better to do, or that too is the ghostly body’s memory, but it would've been a much more entertaining plot point and 10x more hilarious if he never bothered to learn it (because of a one-track haunting mind perhaps) and therefore couldn't read it, because it hadn't been invented yet when he was alive.
The comedic potential of that would’ve made my abhorrence for the body stealing trope tolerable for a couple more episodes at least.

> *This would still be Middle Korean because the Sageuk Dialect is Middle Korean; Even though they would’ve been speaking a version of Old Korean in Silla, not enough of Old Korean survives to properly establish it. Korean is très phonetically consistent though, so it’s fine.

Well. I am already bored and I am already ffwding. We wanted this to be an episode 2 drop, and it will be, but it also somehow managed to be worse than I was personally expecting nonetheless. Lmao.

How nice it was, for all of 3 seconds, to see that enticing CGI Gyeongju/Seorabeol skyline instead of the Seoul/Hanyang one. I can recognise the landmarks more easily too lol. Sigh. Why couldn’t we we have just stayed there. Why couldn’t it all have been there.
Someone tell me if there is an episode later set all in the past, at least, pretty pleeease.

I will now bid thee farewell, and go back to pining for a Silla epic fantasy, or just epic, worth Her time.
Adios, and adieu.

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Regarding how Do-ha learned hangul: I guess he peered very closely over his former lover's shoulders whenever she would write or read something. ;)

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I believe that is filed under the "like a creep with nothing better to do" option above, yes. But he should still only be able to read Hanja because its a waste of ghostly potential otherwise.

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I think he knows everything about the modern world, since he is with FL all the time. He also knows everything about the past, what happened throughout all her reincarnations. He didn't have a body, but everything that was within FL's reach, what she saw, etc. he saw that too. No wonder he wants to free himself from this existence, since he is aware of everything and can do nothing, he just stays eternally on FL's side.

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It would be nice to get some flashbacks showing how he might have reacted (emotionally) to all the changes he witnessed over the centuries. But perhaps he was just too focused on ending his suffering; he seems to have just stood closely by the reincarnations of his lover. It would be nice to get more background information.

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Ha, so I'm not the only one who tripped over his ability to read hangul. But I spent large parts of both episodes sitting over here in my corner muttering about matching Silla couples' outfits and machine-embroidered polysilk with heat-set knife pleats.

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*cackling* so I'M not the only one who noticed those couple hanboks, either then. Listen. Listen. It should be clear, from the Sword Rant, I deeply, deeply commiserate with you.

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Gorgeous fabrics are the whole reason for sageuks, are they not?

And shouldn't there be studio costume warehouses full of these things? I don't know how the actual practicalities of costumes in kdramas work but I would think that polysilks are needless errors.

I recall hate watching my way through a recent sageuk that used foil - FOIL - instead of embroidery. What is the world coming to....

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Alas, Three Kingdoms sageuks rarely get made in part because they're more expensive and I'm pretty sure there ISN'T as much like, general stock (sets, costumes, etc) for them. (Although if they made more of them... haha)
3K has different Hanboks so they can't just recycle Joseon ones.

Oh to get a 3K sageuk made with as much exquisite care in costuming as Moonlight Drawn By Clouds 😭 (No matter how many pretty newer Joseon shows that come out, that still has some of my favourite hanboks of all time)

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@sicarius I have not seen Moonlight Drawn By Clouds, so I will put it on the list. Costumes and Production Design are clearly not top priority here. Unless they were going for incongruent-as-possible ....which may be a possibility.

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@fancypants (ps your handle is neat lol)

I don't really remember enough of the story to like, review it critically anymore, and it's been a hot minute... but, watch it for Kwak Dong Yeon and the costumes! (The rest of the cast is too, sure haha)

"Unless they were going for incongruent-as-possible" - it would be funnier if they were, but I really don't think they are haha

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@elinor: Not knowing anything about sewing has made me wonder how those knife pleats are created. Thanks for making it a little clearer.

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so I'm not the only one who tripped over his ability to read hangul You're not!

I have complained about it on Sicarius fan wall :p

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One of the reasons I'm not crazy about reincarnation fantasies is that the past character's influence on her/his reincarnated self always becomes totally determinative. If Rowoon's character killed his love in the past, in the present he is haunted by a bloody hand who is going to kill him (rather, than, say, leaving him with a vague feeling that he should be considerate to women) If Kim Young Dae's character was killed by Pyo Ye-Jin's character in revenge, then in the present he has to kill her to have revenge on her.

Instead of being subtle about the influence of the past on the present, its totally simpleminded, in an annoying way, because whenever a show needs to extend itself, the rules about the influence of reincarnation are changed, again in a way that totally determines the present.

As someone who worked for decades as a historian, I have nothing against shows that are about the influence of the past on the present. In fact, I kind of like time travel fantasies, like Twinkling Watermelon, that have the characters going back in the past and emerging with a greater understanding of their present lives, or that show how contingent human events are, on small or chance occurrences; or most realistically, that show how going back a year can allow a beautiful heroine to have a passionate relationship with a hot guy rather than a loveless marriage with a milksop.

To me, so far this show is an example of the worst kind of reincarnation fantasy. In fact after the second episode I am actually wanting the male lead to die by the end. Its not the actors fault--its the writers, who I think wrote school textbooks on penmanship in their past lives, and by the rules of reincarnation, that's the extent of their imagination.

That said, I will probably watch a few more episodes of this, just to see how bad it gets.

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I am so excited to out-hacja you here. This is gonna end in T…E…A…R…S of human tragedy, for absolutely no reward. This is gonna be the My Dearest of reincarnation dramas.

Of course, I’ve never been right with my optimism before, so no reason to actually believe me in my schadenfreude.

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But this is about revenge? In my opinion, it's about freeing yourself from the curse of being an evil spirit. He, on some basis, concluded that if he killed FL, his existence as an evil spirit would end and he would finally rest in eternal rest.

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I think the ML himself mentioned revenge when he was talking about the FL flowing through her reincarnations while he was stuck as an evil spirit.

But regardless, the show, in my opinion, had some problems with its tone. I'm not a literal minded viewer at all, but I can't laugh with the show when the main character is playing a stalker who is trying to slash the throat or stab the unaware and heroic female character in the back. On the other hand, I didn't get a feeling of some sort of suspense filled Revenant-like exploration of the supernatural influence of the past, since there were quite a few elements of rom-com in the first 2 episodes. Maybe it will sort itself out in subsequent episodes.

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SWORD RANT:

At best, the precursors to the style of sword PYJ uses to kill KYD with, that is, this style of Korean and Japanese curved, single edged sword specifically, started appearing in the 8th century, roughly the same time as the curved Turko-Mongol sabre.

But they did not look like this. Even early curved Chinese Dao did not look like this.

You get a bit closer to this in the 10th century, with the development of the precursor to the Tachi, the kenukigata-tachi, in Japan.
But that’s only a bit. And that’s still 400 years off par. Four. Hundred.

At worst, this is … a Wakizashi. Because, for some reason that I truly cannot fathom, it doesn’t look like a full-length sword, and appears to be roughly 50 cm in blade length… the correct length for a wakizashi, and NOT the correct length for any kind of tanto, or a hwando, the Korean equivalent of the katana, (although even if it was either it would still be the wrong period by give or take again at the shortest 400, or 600 years respectively), and it is indeed still curved, and single edged.
Which is very weird, because as far as I know, Korea did not really have an equivalent to the wakizashi, and also the wakizashi is from the 15th and 16th centuries, at the earliest, which is 1000 years off mark. ONE THOUSAND.

That is roughly the equivalent of putting a modern handgun in a medieval setting, just to give you an idea of how outrageously out of place this is.

The time difference between the Silla annexation of Gaya in the 6th century and the middle of feudal era Japan, is the same as us, right now, and the Battle of Hastings.

WHY IS THERE A WAKIZASHI IN SILLA

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And I did not even stick around to look for anything like this (not that I would have known the difference, but this is truly funny).

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you caught me, I actually only stuck around after noticing it in the first 10 minutes to confirm my suspicions, it's true. And then I murdered my lover in Agincourt with a glock.

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hahahahahhaa!!! And I am sure Henry V blessed you himself and ordered a crate....
Oh this is hilarious, I am dying.

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EXT. – AZINCOURT, FRANCE – AD 25 OCT 1415 – EVENING

A French soldier runs through the trees away from the battle, hand in hand with one who appears to be a Welsh Longbowman (albeit of unusually small stature for a Welsh Longbowman…)
They stop at the edge of a stream to pause for breath.

FRENCH SOLDIER (en français): We are safe now. And we are together. At last.

The Welsh longbowman jerks away suddenly, and violently. The French soldier turns to them in confusion.

WELSH SOLDIER: Non.

The French solider, aware now that he is being betrayed gasps, and holds a hand to his chest.

FRENCH SOLDIER: *gasp*

The Welshman pulls off their hood dramatically to reveal themself to be not a longbowman at all, and also, a woman.
She draws a 9mm compact Glock 43, that glistens darkly in the moonlight.
The Frenchman sinks to his knees in shock, distraught.

FRENCH MAN: Why- why are you doing this, mon cherie? I- I love you! Je t’aime!

The Welsh compatriot looks down at the Frenchman coldly and lifts the gun to his head.

WELSH SOLDIER (yn cymraeg): Because… you are French.

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Beacuse you are French.....OMG!! LOL!!

That has to be the most on point fanfic ever LOL!!
Glock in 1415....
Maybe the Mon Cherie time-travelled......
Ah! That explains it. She was a firefighter.

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Did you watch Alchemy of Souls ep 2, Seo Yul has two short ones to ,when he fights a soul shifter . It´s that a wakizashi to just asking because i´m very interested .

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No, I did not, because I am deathly allergic to the Hong Sisters and soul swapping, (and mildly allergic to Jung So Min), and it's also not historical in the slightest, so it wouldn't really matter if it was a wakizashi. That being said, tag me in a picture of it on the fanwall and I can tell you though. 👍🤣

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it's a bit of a leap, but would you be able to comment on the fortification briefly seen in the background in the opening scenes? To me, it seemed wildly anachronistic and too grand a structure for 6 century CE, but I'm no expert and might be overreacting - I though the whole fighting sequence was completely awful anyway

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Actually. Probably not as anachronistic as the battle scene itself.
By the Three Kingdoms Period the Koreans were building stone fortresses, both mountain and city fortresses.

But it possibly didn't look quite like that (although it’s hard to say since so little remains from that era), and I’m not sure WHERE we’re supposed to assume this is? Some lesser fortress or outpost belonging to Silla? It’s not Seorabeol, the capital, which is clearly shown later with its distinctive pagoda, Jungdo Tower, in the skyline. Is it supposed to be somewhere in Gaya since it is depicting the annexation of Gaya? Gaya was influenced by Silla’s southeast hegemony so they also probably copied fortresses from them, as Silla most likely did themselves from Gorguryeo.

Samnyeonsanseong, for example is the remains of a Silla mountain fortress built in 470, which was before our drama setting.

Silla also wasn’t lazy on the architecture and they weren't lacking in money either.
They had a lot of gold, and traded things like coloured glass as far as Persia, and probably even farther, going by the Gyerim-Ro dagger, (a 5th century dagger and sheath found in a Silla tomb, thought to have come from the Black Sea region) and Later Silla was very prosperous; Seorabeol at its peak would rise to become the 4th most populous city in the world at the time and was the continental trunk of both the maritime and overland Silk Road routes.

Although this is set just before them, as other examples: Donggung Palace and Wolji Pond was built in 674 and Bulguksa Temple in 751, during this peak period.

Conclusion: Did they have fortifications? Yes. Did they look EXACTLY like that? I dunno.

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Wow! Thanks for this!

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IIRC, QSD's Seorabeol was not bad, but C-dramas would spare no expense regarding Chang'an. "The Longest Day In Chang'an" was jaw-dropping and authentic down to the small detail.
It would be awesome if Seorabeol would one day get the same grand treatment or close.

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@kiara if that happened before I myself get to make my pipe dream drama/movie series based around the dagger... I would probably cry lmao.

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thanks for such a detailed reply!

I did a little digging myself that night, and I guess what keeps bothering me is that typically those early fortresses seemed to be mostly about sturdy long walls and, more often than not, those walls wound their way along some mountainous terrain (Samnyeonsanseong seems a typical example of that). What we saw in the episode looked like a castle built on a flat area in the middle of like nowhere, with lots of towers. Very weird.

I also found a mention of some - presumably - Gaya fortification that actually fits the bill geographically, sort of (border with Silla or something like that) discovered a few years ago. What they found was the remains of earthen walls and wooden fences, which seems to make way more sense for the period to me. I'm trying to find the link, I was sure I'd saved it :(

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aha found it!
not the border, better! - super massive and the biggest known to date. And still earthen ramparts+ wood, not stone walls!

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/south-korea-ancient-palace-021934

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Haha yeah, I definitely get your hesitancy about that kind of structure being period accurate, and meant to point out actually, specifically how mountain fortresses differ to go with/contribute to my points, and how the terrain itself here in the show is not accurate, which I totally agree with you on, and definitely, yes, before they started building stone fortresses they would've built mainly earthen ramparts (if you have a look at this list of Korean fortresses you can see that several are indeed earthen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fortresses_in_Korea, also interesting to note that there are apparently well over 2000 fortress sites in Korea.)

My initial approach was more that that structurally at least, it seems very plausible; it's just a matter of whether other details are, namely shape, style and location, which I tried to cover, and as you’ve pointed out as well.
Id est, complex well-built walls of stone WERE built at the time, and Korean stone fortresses did have towers and gates - BUT did city or camp fortresses, since this clearly isn’t a mountain one, look even sort of like that: video game esque square and in the middle of nowhere? Is this a Gaya fortress or a Silla one? And did Gaya ever copy the 3 Kingdoms in their stone fortresses or did they still have predominantly earthen ramparts?

And some of this to me remains hard to answer accurately in full.

The article you found WOULD suggest Gaya specifically was still using earthen defence work.
But the article is also a bit confusing as it mixes together a lot of details surrounding the Gaya Confederacy, doesn’t have a central discussion point, and gets some dates wrong, for example, and if anything, some of it would actually suggest that Gaya could’ve had even greater structures than their earthen ones, with how they talk about it and how they worded certain things 😂.

And also bearing in mind, that this show doesn't care about where this fortress is, or who it belongs to or who made it, or what this battle specifically is, and put a wakizashi in the 6th century, so IT certainly isn't interested in providing us with more information to go off either hehe.

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Oh, to be a fly on the wall and witness Our Queen getting truly wound up enough to point out
> The time difference between the Silla annexation of Gaya in the 6th century and the middle of feudal era Japan, is the same as us, right now, and the Battle of Hastings.<
I picture her like a super-typhoon in motion. 🌪️

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 I try to convey these things through my writing as best as possible, but I'm sure nothing would beat my facial reactions in person.

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I can imagine it and I love it!

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Love having this context! Thank you.

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I'm so slow. I just noticed this bleeping sword is in the POSTER (shows you how much attention I pay to posters lol rip). I'm going to have an aneurysm.

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My goodness, the comments on this one are "Way Harsh," lol. I didn't find it that bad, but I will say I noted that this drama would be different if I truly understood the variances of the Korean language from period to period. I don't, all I have are the subtitles and they do show those variances. Sicarius's explanation below makes me sort of glad I don't understand because it sounds like it would be terrible. I don't hate the drama, so maybe I'll continue watching, especially since it is wed-thurs drama, so basically empty because A good day to be a dog picks and chooses when to be on.

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I'm interested enough to watch next week's episodes. I am curious to see how the story develops.

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Short version: Middle Korean aka Sageuk Speak, is tonal, and Modern Korean is not. Korean used to have two tones, and lost them over the last 500 in years ish.

You can hear the difference the most in the inflections and tones especially at the end of sentences, when this is performed well.

We make fun of the whole "CHEOOOONAAA" thing in Sageuks and why they always seem to speak so formally and stiffly - that's just how Middle Korean sounds and was spoken lol.

Personally I think it's really neat that Middle Korean essentially still survives in this way, and is used commonly in sageuks, because it adds an extra layer of meaning and gravitas to a period show, and you can do so much with it too if you have good dialogue and delivery.

It's not quite the same because Korean has shifted A LOT less than English has in 1000 years, but it's sort of like if period films in English bothered to have them actually speak the kind of English they would've spoken back whenever, instead of just using modern pronunciation etc.
(Petition for early historical English films to all be in Old English, please and thank you 😂)

Speaking Middle Korean well used to be a big thing in Sageuks and was seen as sort of a sageuk right of passage - you got completely lynched by sageuk netz if your Middle Korean wasn't up to par.

Over the years I've been able to pick up more and more of the differences between Middle and Modern Korean, somehow, probably just cos I have a decent ear, even though I don't speak either, and have thus noticed a decline in Middle Korean quality by newer and younger hotter actors.
KYD's is just, not good. Alas. 😅

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Oh interesting, I didn't know that about the tonality. Thanks for the added explainer.

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You're welcome!
There are other differences, notably in vocabulary, but Middle Korean is still intelligible to modern speakers.

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Or rather there were three pitches: High, low and rising.

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Yes. Thank you. For some reason I thought it was two, but that's a mistake on my part and I probably got it confused with Japanese briefly.

Looks like "pitch accents" and "tones" is another linguistic definition that Linguistics like to debate about, (because Middle Koreannis only partially "tonal"), but all comes under the umbrella of tonal languages. (I swear, they argue about everything. When I first started watching dramas Korean was classified as a language isolate, now Jeju is defined as its own language lmfao, so it's a language family of 2. Dialect/Language fight in 3, 2, 1...)

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Believe it or not, your @lovepark your ecap was wonderful, and almost reeled me in. Then I checked it out. The first ten minutes are fabulous, oanoramic fight scenes, the kind that knocks you off.
And then - it sinks, much like the car.
Wrong casting can make or break something, and unfortunately, this seems to be that. No chemistry but more than that, no acting :-(
The man died and he has such bland eyes looking over his own dead body that I started laughing. Even the beautiful Pyo Ye Jin looking very beautiful in her costumes does not do much. Maybe too much emotions much to early without much context? Don't know.
Sigh! It's a drop (I never meant to start it anyway because of Kim Young-dae, but now I won't feel bad because I at least gave it a try).

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*panoramic

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Yeah, I couldn't help but wonder what the drama would be like with an actor capable of delivering a more nuanced, layered performance. I don't dislike the lead actor, I actually really enjoyed him in Sh**ting Stars, but I had to drop Forbidden Marriage, mostly because of him. The lack of chemistry doesn't help either.

I'm glad other beanies are enjoying it so much. I'll give it another 2 episodes to click for me.

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Forbidden marriage was terrible. It was my first series with the actor before Shooting Stars and I didn't recal him at all until I heard it mentioned here at DB.
I do not know what the criteria normally is for selecting the main leads for these stories, but someone like Jung Hae-In would have aced it.

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I love this show already. I have zero intentions of taking it seriously, I'm just gonna enjoy the crazy ride.

I like that the one that got killed by their lover was the guy. And I like that the one FL saved him in this lifetime (the present).

I like how they have totally different conversations (he's talking about his plans to kill her and she's talking about him being "sick"/inestable).
I LOVE the manager and I feel bad for the hyung (I'm kinda scared of his too).

And I don't blame the FL for googling if Joon Oh has a gf, because if a cute actor starts chasing me I would probably do the same.
And can we talk about the fact that she's a firefighter with zero casualties?? Our girl is a badass.

I felt bad when they talked about her trauma. I'm glad the talisman helped her.

And I was thinking about the lack of logic in Do Ha's plan. But I guess that if you have to wait 1500 years to reincarnate, you're memories will mix, your braincells will die and you'll want to kill the first person in front of you and be sent to hell, heaven or wtv. LOL

Anyway, I just want the show to keep the chaotic energy. I want to have fun! And I hope we get a mix of Joon Oh and Do Ha, because they're both hilarious in their own ways.

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Hooray, I’m not alone in this! 😂 Chaotic energy for the win!

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I thought @loveblossom and I were the only ones enjoying this show. T.T Hahaha. I'm glad we're not alone. 🥺

Let's have fun!! ^^

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This is not my usual genre and I'm not really sure what to expect from it. There is absolutely nothing believable about it. Not one thing.

I laughed out loud throughout the 2nd episode. Not sure if that was the intended reaction, particularly since it is not campy.

But c'mon! A top star named jooon -ooo in pleather and he's hyung named min-oooo? Someone's taking the piss. So cheeky. I'm rolling my eyes along with Kim Young Dae.

Pyo Ye-jin is a treasure. Always a delight to watch. Curious why her character wants to go to Antarctica. Don't have much faith that there will be any logical reason for it.

Not sure if logic is part of the structure here. And I'm ok with that. I'm in!

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I really want to go into the tv and give the manager a hug,. His livelihood was babysitting a man-child for a years and now he's being threatened by what appears to be some demonic ghost possessing that man-child.... He can quit his job I guess...but the job market is terrible in korea now.

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He better be getting paid really well!! We all should send him a hug.

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Him killing her is the only way to end her cycle of rebirth and thus his presence with her as an evil spirit. She is gone, he is free and finally goes to the "world of the dead". This is his plan.

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I guess that makes more sense.
But I don't understand why he didn't "go" in the first place.

He shouldn't feel resentment towards her. He killed her family, then she tried to kill him. She failed so he told her to wait and kill him later. She did exactly that.

So killing her shouldn't be his unresolved business. He shouldn't be in the limbo.
It would make more sense to me if for him this was his "punishment" for what he did. Like his unresolved business was earning her forgiveness, or something. Because he felt bad for causing her pain. But killing her? Revenge? Please. Then later what? She's gonna become a ghost and hunt his descendants for revenge? The cycle will never end: you kill my family, I kill you, you kill me, I kill your family. No romance in there.

I'm hoping the plan of killing her is just him being dumb and not his real missing.

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I'm with you! I actually enjoyed the first two episodes. I thought the action scene in the beginning was quite good. The time jumps were initially quite confusing, but I thought at the end of the second episode it all made sense.

I think the reason why he didn't leave in the first place is not because of revenge, but because of love and guilt.

I didn't read the webtoon, but since it looks like it's completely different from the drama, I'll just enjoy this crazy ride.

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That's exactly what I'm hoping. I really want the real reason to be love and guilt.

I want his dumb plan to be just him trying to protect his ego or something. Or trying to convince himself that he isn't hurt, that he never loved her and that he doesn't feel guilty.

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Ha! I tricked myself into enjoying these episodes: after reading first impressions on the fan wall, I went in with super low expectations. Actually, I wasn’t even sure whether I still wanted to start watching at all, but now that I did… what can I say? It’s fun!!! 😆

These things that entertained me the most:
* The short shot of the FL rummaging drunk outside the restaurant was *chef’s kiss* (Was it shot with a selfie stick?)
* The switching of the voice by the ML! Love the deep voice for Do ha, with the bratty higher one for Junoh. (I imagine this was fun to do for KYD.) No mistake who you’re dealing with, either. Easy acting device, but effective nonetheless.
* The apartment of the ML is insanely insane. Just keep a dead tree next to your white furnished “islands” in your living room, why don’t you? (Even weirder than the portraits of himself - alas, as we all know, it’s like this in all idol homes.)
* The whole revenge plot makes no sense. The whole brooding love to hate you situation of the ML makes no sense. So what?! I still want to see how it plays out!

Also disclaimer: I’m happily oblivious to the language and other details which are not appropriate to the era. So this doesn’t bother me (but I could imagine this to be distracting to knowledgeable watchers!). I haven’t read the webtoon either. Maybe that’s why I still find this entertaining? 🤔

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The weird apartment is such a stark contrast to how normal and almost cozy Kim Young-dae's Sh**ting Stars apartment looked.

I also loved the switching of the high vs low voice.

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Same! I think going into the show with low expectations is what made us enjoy it so much! I haven't read the webtoon either.
So I'm just curious about how are they going to deal with all the nonsense.

I guess illogical plans is the new trend these days. First the kids from Watermelon and know our evil ghost. LOL

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Ditto on the drunk scene at the restaurant. I noticed it and giggled.

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I'm not that negative yet, I just don't understand why the nobleman DoHa resembles the deceased Jun Ho.
I liked the fight scenes in the beginning.
I wonder about further development

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I can't stop thinking about someone's comment here back when some of the promotional pictures dropped. The poster expressed hope the cheap plastic armour Do Ha was wearing was just JunHo's acting gear from within the story in the 21 century, not the actual fighting equipment used in battle. That must have coloured my perception because while watching the opening scenes I couldn't focus on much except the horrible armour >_<

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🤣 Oh gosh, that was me and I am extremely sorry to have contributed to taking you out of the scene. I jinxed myself, too, because I saw nothing but plastic in action during that whole fight.

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They were all being swallowed by that Halloween costume armour.

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It was really bad, though, wasn’t it? So it’s entirely on the production team!

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Went in with little expectations and am more intrigued than I thought I would be. I almost gave up when they started off with the Silla war scenes, even though I've been complaining about how sageuks are so Joseon-focused. The subsequent Silla scenes were more interesting, mostly because of Pyo Ye-jin's acting.

I think the drama could have gone with a darker, more eerie tone. I think it's trying to lean more the usual rom-com fantasy, so it feels awkward...like square peg into a round hole.. Possessed Jun-ho is totally that creepy stalker in other rom-coms - the evil eunuch in Goblin, the evil gardener in Destined with You, the obsessed serial killer guy in From Now On Showtime.

I read a little of the webtoon and it also does the half-past and half-present distribution of scenes which stalls the pacing. Other than that, the webtoon is quite different with the webtoon Young-hwa being neighbors with the two brothers (Junho in high school and Munho and Young-hwa in college and have crushes on each other).

I miss the weak, dumb-as-a-rock OG Jun-ho though. Possessed Jun-ho is a little boring. I was half-hoping the drama will just decide to play to Kim Young-dae's comedic strengths and do some fish-out-of-water hijinx.

Not sure if i will stick with it until the end, but for now looking forward to just going for the ride since it is interesting to see how the romance will pan out if one is intent on killing the other but physically can't.

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I gave this the two episode test and its not working for me. The story was interesting but the execution of the story is all over the place. Its trying to be a lot of things at once - melo, saguek, supernatural thriller and romcom. The storytelling is also weak. I was hoping to like the Silla part of the story but it felt mediocre. Also I like both actors but they don't have the magnetic chemistry that this type of story needs. Most importantly, I do not understand Do Ha's motivations. As much as I didn't like the shallow and dumb Jun Oh, I don't understand how the possession works. It seems like Jun Oh died when he did so the things that Do Ha remembers in JO's body are JO's memories that were retained? How could the memories be kept when JO died? It seems like I have to check my brain at the door before I watch this.
I just do not feel any empathy for either character, JO or Do Ha. I like the FL, but I think its not enough for me to sit through this show.

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He was an evil spirit for centuries who lived like a shadow by FL's side. The actor died, his body was touched by a wounded FL and this is how his spirit was able to enter the world of the living. Her blood must have some influence on ML as an evil spirit. It seems that this was his "pass" to this world. The actor is dead, but his memories, as a kind of matter, were still in the body that ML took over. Since he is an evil spirit, he must somehow have the ability to draw spiritual matter into himself.

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Man now I kinda really do wish they left "Moon During the Day" alone as the perfect webtoon it was or at least got a better cast (cough, Junho, cough). I will say though that Pyo Ye-jin is really saving the show and honestly they could've made it work by making Lee Jun-ho Doha and Kim Young-dae Jun-oh since they weren't supposed to look alike anyway. The casting choice was a big problem and also how far they veered off track from the actual webtoon storyline. I did like the Silla scenes just like how I absolutely LOVED all the Doha + Hanrita scenes in the webtoon and that's the only other high point. But so far, ENA is doing pretty well with their first historical drama so I'll see how it plays out :)

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I'm glad this adaptation was made. I have never read a webtoon in my life and I don't want to. I liked the first two episodes, despite the chaotic script, jumping between events from today and events from 1,500 years ago. But this is usually a problem in Korean dramas, which have poor editors and, in addition, drama creators insist on not adding information in what year certain events take place. Sometimes simply writing "1,500 years ago", "2023", "a week later", etc. significantly increases the comfort of watching the drama. What I like most about this drama is the fact that it is not a story about lovers separated by fate and "missing each other for millennia", but about lovers who have committed terrible things against each other. He killed her family, she killed him. This gives rise to an interesting scenario where hate will fight love and a happy ending is impossible. I'm a bit fed up with sweet, simple stories about good, morally pure characters. I hope that the drama will have a juicy scenario, ending with a tragedy, which, in my opinion, the first two episodes promise.

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A tragic, but liberating ending could work for this drama.

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That would feel very organic ... if it is done well.

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Thank you for the recap! So far, I'm into the show. It's my favorite time in a kdrama - the beginning, when I have no idea what's going on and the show is throwing all kinds of stuff at me. Usually by episode 4 I either love the show or decide it's bonkers and I'm going to enjoy the ride.

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Your drama watching tip is perfect. 👌

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So far I am okay with the show, despite a little hiccups in the introduction; since it has only 2 episodes. I will continue watching up to the 4th episode to decide whether I need to drop or continue to watch because fanfasy/reincarnation saeguk isn't my cup of tea.

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Unexpectedly I like the show. Pretty weird that I like this one more then The Matchmakers, so far, but who knows both will be good or bad later, I hope not not the later. This week is a busy bee week with so many good dramas, I love it, it's been so long since I have it!

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