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Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

Our second half kicks off in Yongdu-ri, as the Hongs are now jobless, penniless, and friendless. Good thing they’ve got a devoted son-in-law to champion their fight against the usurpers. Despite their divorce, our lead couple cannot stop worrying about each other, and there’s only so much a villain can do when his opponents put up a united front.

EPISODES 9-10

Last week, the Hongs were kicked out of Queens Group and Queensville. And since Grandpa Hong put his family as joint surety in the contract for the failed resort project, the family’s real estate is seized, and their stocks and personal bank accounts are also frozen. They lose company cars and credit cards and they’re practically broke now. *Chuckles and then remembers that Hae-in and Aunt Beom-ja are also affected* As a result, it’s Welcome to Samdal-ri Yongdu-ri for the humbled Hongs.

Hae-in is uncomfortable accepting help from her ex-husband and ex in-laws, but Hyun-woo won’t have it any other way. He wants her under his nose because he doesn’t have the luxury to worry about her elsewhere. “I’ll stop worrying when you’re better. Just stay with me,” Hyun-woo says. Happiness together might be a stretch, but at least they can focus on being less miserable together. Still, Hae-in draws the line: just because she’s in Yongdu-ri doesn’t change things between them. But guess who spends the night texting each other — and deleting what they actually want to say in favor of more mundane stuff? That’s right, it’s BaekHong! Lol.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

When Hae-in confirms her high school connection with Hyun-woo via the music player in his room, she can’t help but think that he was born to love her. A teasing Hae-in asks if the owner of the MP3 was pretty, and a panicked Hyun-woo flies into the room to reassure her that he can’t even remember the owner. LMAO! BaekHong thrives on misunderstandings and miscommunication, but of all the times for Hyun-woo to be vocal, it’s now? Loool. This drama cracks me up in the most unexpected ways. It’s even funnier when Hyun-woo tells Yang-gi later on that not only does he remember the owner of the MP3, he’s sure he’ll recognize her right away if he sees her again. Tsk. For all his smartness, Hyun-woo can be really dense sometimes.

Anyway, since Hyun-woo and Hae-in are under the same roof once again, they forget that they’re supposed to be divorced. If Hyun-woo is not smiling to himself when he comes to check in on a sleeping Hae-in in the morning, a worried Hae-in is getting secret updates from Secretary Na on Hyun-woo’s activities in the office in the light of the restructuring at work. It’s either BaekHong is going to the hospital together for Hae-in’s checkups, or they’re plotting Eun-seong’s downfall — as they should. But you know how it is with this drama. One minute you’re laughing because their divorce is not really divorce-ing, and the next, you’re hit with Hae-in’s newfound goal of doing everything to get back on her feet so that she can part ways with Hyun-woo for good. Sigh.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

The reality of a fall from grace is humbling. It also exposes the strength of the relationships our characters have cultivated over the years. Mommy Hong’s sister doesn’t bat an eye at the Hongs’ predicament after receiving so much help from them in the past. It’s the same story with the people around Daddy Hong — and to an extent, Daddy Baek after losing the village head election. At least Daddy Baek has his family, and Hae-in has Hyun-woo and Secretary Na to rely on. As for Beom-ja, well, we don’t know much about her friends, but she has her go-to private investigator on her side, and that counts for something.

Hae-in, Aunt Beom-ja and Daddy Hong readily adjust to their new reality at Yongdu-ri, but Mommy Hong and Soo-cheol take their sweet time to adjust. Mommy Hong envies Hae-in’s warm relationship with Mommy Baek — but she’s the same person who campaigns for gold medal in the suffering Olympics and dismisses Hae-in’s “anemia” when Hae-in passes out on the street. “It’s not normal to faint,” Mommy Baek counters, and this is why she wins the mom Olympics.

Mommy Baek is crushed when she inevitably learns that Hae-in is sick, and she doesn’t hesitate to scold Hyun-woo for his initial reaction to Hae-in’s illness. Of course she makes sure to properly feed and tend to her daughter-in-law, and Mommy Hong can go hit her head against a pear tree or something if she’s so jealous. As for the dads, they bond over losing the election and the Queens’ vice chairmanship by drinking, watching dramas — and shading drama writers for lack of proper research. Lol.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

Checking in on the usurpers, Eun-seong and his mom clash because Hae-in is no longer at Queensville. “How can we live under the same roof as those we stole from?” Ms. Girlfriend asks, and I co-ask as well. Eun-seong was more unique when he was just a sociopathic villain, but the advent of these “feelings” for Hae-in makes him like other dramaland second male leads.

Eun-stereotypical claims to have done everything he did because of Hae-in, and he threatens to choose her over Ms. Girlfriend. After all, mommy dearest chose the Hong family over him for 20 years. Smh. Mr. Delulu needs to pick a side and stick to it because I’m sending a drone of curses to him, and I don’t want it to drop on innocent people. That aside, the cracks in the mom-son relationship gives me joy. Ms. Girlfriend makes it look like she “sacrificed” the joy of motherhood and sent Eun-seong to be adopted abroad for their grand takeover plans, but I don’t think she loves her son as much as she claims.

Watching last week’s dog attack flashback, I found it odd that Ms. Girlfriend was more concerned about Hae-in’s injury than Eun-seong getting scolded. Not a single backward glance to see if her son was all right. Even at Grandpa’s birthday when Mommy Hong wanted to seat Eun-seong with the family, Ms. Girlfriend was very firm in her insistence that Eun-seong was not family. Pretense or not, these actions aren’t very motherly of her.

Since they’re now rivals rather than co-conspirators, Eun-seong turns down Ms. Girlfriend’s attempt to take over Hae-in’s position at Queens’ department store. Ms. Girlfriend reminds him that as long as Grandpa is still in a coma she controls 21% of the stocks. So what does Eun-seong do next? He kidnaps Grandpa from the hospital to force his mom’s hand! I mean, if the old man kicks the bucket, her power of attorney becomes useless. Ha!

Speaking of hospitals, Eun-snoop finds Hae-in’s hospital card in her room at Queensville, and he uses it to print out her medical reports. Shocked at her diagnosis, he storms into her doctor’s office demanding answers, but since he’s not Hae-in’s guardian, the doctor refuses to tell him anything. Tsk. Not this guy violating Hae-in’s privacy and expecting an applause because he’s “worried about her.” What is he even supposed to be right now? A knight in rusty armor? Lord Protector of the Order of Hae-in? Smh. Eun-stalker further tracks Hae-in to Yongdu-ri, and gives her two days to return to the department store — and to him — otherwise, he’ll tell her parents about her condition. Oh! He’s crazy crazy.

While Eun-seong has become chairman of Queens, he needs one of the Hongs — in this case, Hae-in — to publicly show support and add legitimacy to his claim. But since Eun-steal didn’t achieve the position legally, Hyun-woo is determined to expose him as a fraud. Hyun-woo has a whole plan to this effect involving a scammer attached to the land for the failed resort project, but the business-y stuff hurts my brain, so we’ll just focus on how super hot and sexy Hyun-woo is in the middle of all this plotting.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

We get an action sequence when Hyun-woo has to fight off Land Scammer and his thugs, and it turns out that not only does Hyun-woo have a sexy brain, he’s also got sexy fists! *Fans self* Oppa needs to star in an action flick next. Moving on, Hyun-woo gets home with a few cuts and scrapes, and Hae-in jumps into mother hen mode. Again, this is not how divorced people behave.

Hae-in tears up on seeing his bruises, but Hyun-woo can’t promise not to further put himself into harm’s way as long as Hae-in is concerned. This is not what someone in love wants to hear when it concerns the person she loves, so Hae-in reminds Hyun-woo that only married couples throw caution to the wind for each other. Now she remembers that they’re no longer married? Sigh. These people stress me. If I grow gray hairs after this drama, just know it’s because of them.

Following this incident, Hyun-woo wonders if things would have been different if they had treated their marriage with the same care and attention as Hae-in did to his wounds, and Hae-in wonders if he would have gotten hurt in the first place if they never got married. But Hyun-woo replies that — even knowing how their marriage eventually turned out — he’d still choose to marry Hae-in if he went back in time. The only difference is that he’d be more attentive towards her because that’s one of the things he regrets not doing while they were married.

Meanwhile, since BaekHong hasn’t launched their How to Navigate Marital Crisis podcast, Soo-cheol has no manual to deal with his current situation. In Da-hye’s Dear John letter, she revealed that: 1) she’s 5 years older than Soo-cheol — who already has noona issues stemming from his inferiority complex towards Hae-in; 2) GEON-WOO, their son, is not Soo-cheol’s. Damn! Way to kick a man when he’s already on the floor. When Hae-in remarks that Soo-cheol won’t be able to find Da-hye because she’s probably in hiding after scamming them, Soo-cheol replies that Da-hye forgot something: “Me!” LMAO. This is so funny and sad at the same time, and Kwak Dong-yeon is totally killing it as Mr. Pathetic and Sympathetic.

Like he hasn’t done enough damage, Eun-separation lies to Da-hye that Soo-cheol has vowed revenge on her so as to ensure Da-hye remains unreachable. But Soo-cheol gets an eureka moment when he remembers that they used to play an online game together. Through the in-game messaging feature, he’s able to send a message to Da-hye — but it’s not a hate mail as she expects, it’s Geon-woo’s vaccination records and a reminder to make sure he gets all his shots. Soo-cheol’s love for his wife and son makes me tear up, and you just know if they return, he’ll welcome them back no questions asked. I don’t like what Da-hye did to my boy, but she needs to come home before he dies of a broken heart.

By the way, Hae-in is such a typical noona. She’ll smack Soo-cheol upside the head for being a brat to the in-laws, but she’ll sympathize with him over Da-hye’s departure, and ensure that he doesn’t blame himself for trusting Eun-seong and leading the family to ruin. Of course, all of this is done in the Hae-in style because she just cannot be a normal softie when it comes to things like this. Lol.

Queen of Tears: Episodes 9-10

As the week winds to a close, Secretary Na informs Hae-in that Hyun-woo has been hit with a malpractice charge. The same Hyun-woo that was cleared by the audit team last week? Ha! This frame-up has Eun-seong written all over it, and he gleefully confirms that he’s going to send Hyun-woo to prison. Okay, is my drone of curses stuck in traffic or what? Hyun-woo doesn’t mind the humiliation, but Hae-in is done. Hae-in can’t just sit back and watch Hyun-woo suffer because Eun-sadistic is an obsessed fool, so she tells Hyun-woo to quit worrying about her. She will handle her business herself, thank you very much.

Hae-in takes up Eun-seong’s offer to return to Queens, and Eun-seong is excited to announce their upcoming wedding at her welcoming press conference. But first, Hae-in has to speak, and… she informs the press that Eun-seong “threatened to falsely charge and put Mr. Baek Hyun-woo, my husband, and former legal director, behind bars.” *Screams in 16 different languages* Hae-in addressed Hyun-woo as “my husband,” people!! What is a divorce? What is an ex? Those terms don’t exist in BaekHong’s dictionary. Hae-in also reveals her diagnosis to the press, and Eun-shut-the-hell-up loses his final leverage against her. That, ladies and gentlemen, is queen behavior.

Earlier on, Hyun-woo assumed that Hae-in had switched to Eun-seong’s side, and he’s shocked — and touched — to see his wife publicly defend his honor. Hae-in really said noble idiocy is not allowed in their household. Lol. In the sea of reporters, Hyun-woo and Hae-in can only see each other, and these two are going to kill me with all the acting they are doing with their eyes.

We’re rewarded with the best epilogue yet, as we finally get to see where Hae-in told Hyun-woo about his drunken adorableness back in their dating era. But more importantly, we get a drunk Hyun-woo in the present day confessing his love for Hae-in in front of her closed door. Hae-in hears him, of course, and that press conference was her “I love you too.” This is romantic and all, but I am a simple person, so I need them to say their I love yous to each other without the liquid courage and grand gestures. Yes, I am also an Oliver Twist.

In other news, Eun-seong and Ms. Girlfriend dumped Grace Go-screw-yourself after the successful Queens heist, and I can’t even lie this made me soooo happy. Grace was working for snakes and she thought she was immune to their venom? How cute. All it took was a little threat from Hyun-woo, and Beom-ja’s satisfying hit on Grace’s head to get her to switch alliances and locate the hospital where Eun-seong is holding Grandpa Hong. And without Ms. Girlfriend’s negative energy around him, Grandpa seems to have come out of his coma.

We’ll know for sure next week, but this development makes me happy for Beom-ja because she needs that old man to wake up and assure her that it’s not her fault he ended up that way. Ms. Girlfriend was going to incapacitate him one way or the other even if Beom-ja treated her with respect. From the look of things, Beom-ja is also being set up for a love story in Yongdu-ri, and since there’s enough love to go around, can someone spare some for my BaekHong? They also deserve to be happy after everything they’ve been through.

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Poor Soo-cheol. The Hongs might be licking those wounds with regards to the lost stakes, but he was dealing with and grieving something way more consequential to him. I loved him more this week.
He might be a fool in generality. And even maybe a fool for love. But his sincerity and affection was never a question. I'm jealous. The injection scene was so touching.

I guess Yongduri is a learning experience for the Hongs
Dad finally has a taste of makgeoli and he can't seem to get enough of it.
Mom...well don't waltz around in unfamiliar terrains.
Beom-ja...My favorite character save for the leads. Seems like a 4th will be her charm. Now Kim Young-min's casting is making some to think about.

This week was fraught with laughter and tissues. Soo-chul brought the tissues. Hae-in's mom brought the laughter. I couldn't get enough of Hong lady sleeping slumber without using her sleeping meds. Her life of rest hasn't earned her some sleep but a few hours of toiling did the magic easy-peezy. The breakfast follow scene 🤣🤣🤣. Can we please have her on the farm more.
The fun part aside, I'd really wish to see her grow in character and earn at least 100000won for once by the end of their Yongduri stay.

I know once they've regained their status as Queens, whatever they learnt in Yongduri becomes forgotten memory. But I do hope they become better in-laws to Hyun-woo not out of gratitude but out of character.

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I like seeing Mommy Hong toil away in the farm and the satisfying sleep she had after. I do hope that she gets along with Mommy Baek soon.
I can't blame Daddy Hong for loving makgeolli. It is better than soju.

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I think she is a little jelly of Mommy Baek right now. Anyway, Mom Baek's heart was so broken when she found out about the illness.

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oh she is TOTALLY jealous of the way Hyun-woo's mother gets along with Hae-in, that was obvious even from ep 5 when she watched the video of Hae-in visiting her in-laws.

On one hand, I don't think she's irredeemable, on the other I also think she has 0 right to be jealous that Hae-in found a better mother figure than her. I hope the two mother-in-laws get along, even if I still find it sad that Hae-in gets more actual love and care from Hyun-woo's mother than her own, even when she thought they were headed for a divorce.

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She blames her daughter for the death of her sun, and while we have watched, we have not seen her be even remotely nice to her daughter at any time.
She has even been accusing her of planning the downfall of the family together with Eun-sung.

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And Mommy Baek was smart enough to put two and two together about the timing of calling off the divorce. She gave Hyun-woo a well deserved Mommy dose.

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the family scenes were on fire this week, weren't they? But this was my favourite of the emotional ones, nothing gets past Hyun-woo's mother, whether it's the leaf trail or the timing of Hyun-woo suddenly going changing his mind about wanting the divorce.

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@pogo1 Indeed she's the smartest in the family. Hyun-woo takes after her. 😊

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City dwellers (specially society ladies) doing farm work is such a hoot. It was fun having her earn the money and some well-deserved sleep as service!!

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I feel bad for Soo-cheol too. I am glad that the drama is making us feel for a genuinely soft guy who is maybe not meant for a harsh cruel world that demands success and constantly being on your guard. Usually such characters are just reserved for mockery. I like that Hae-in consoled him in her own way by telling him that it was not his fault, that everyone had been fooled by them.

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yeah he's a buffoon and a coddled spoilt brat but the drama gives us points of genuine empathy with him even before this - very tragicomic, like him being unable to ride a bike as a grown man but wanting to learn so he could teach his son, or breaking down in front of Hyun-woo on seeing his nephew's towel. The drama has ways of making him look like a fool, but also turning those moments incredibly sad. I also liked the way Hae-in tried to comfort him in a way that's very true to her.

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Yes: [Hits him hard in the neck] "NO! It's NOT your fault! How could you think that?! EVERYBODY was fooled. Drop that Idea immediately!" [Holds up hand ready to strike from the front this time]
Soo-cheol [Winces and recoils from the hand]: "Yes, Noona. Sorry, Noona."

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Soo-cheol in the hands of a less experienced writer or actor would have ended up just being tragic.

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So well expressed. I too was not very fond of Soo-cheol initially but I must say he is well written and even better acted. He isnindeed not of this world.

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My guess is that mom hasn't been able to sleep well since the lost of her child. The look dad gave her seemed to be of surprise at first but then it turned a little sad.

My Soo Cheol T.T
"his sincerity and affection was never a question". Yes! He loves his family with such a pure heart.
I hope Da Hye noticed that he isn't mad at her. She should know he's incapable of that.

Beom Ja is my fave too! I need more of her and the "let's save th Hongs" squad. Tbh, that squad should run Queens.
Beom Ja and Hyun Woo are the real bosses of the family.

" I'd really wish to see her grow in character and earn at least 100000won"
Kkondae-sunbae would finally be proud of her, hahahaha. That sunbae needs more screentime.

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Da-Cheol: She will notice. But it is easy for her to believe he is suddenly furious and violent because she feels she deserves it.

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That is such an astute observation about Hae-in's mom. I put down the insomnia to typical "rich mom" problems who hasn't done a lick of work but what you're saying actually makes more sense.

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Kim Youngmin is a handsome ahjussi. He looks good for his age. I thought he was in his late 30s.

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👋🏾Good to see you back in the comments.

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Aww! Thank youu ❤️❤️ I hope to try to join in more discussions!! It's been a long time since I've been invested in a drama.

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Soo-cheol - Someone give this boy a hug.. KDY is owning this role..
It hurts just watching him silently suffering... It doesn't matter if this child his or not, he cares.. he loves... I need a happy ending for him.. I need this family to reunite.... I did appreciate that one moment when Hae-in told him that it wasn't his fault...

Hae-in - Watch me show how I care for you in a million ways without ever saying it ; )

Hyun-Woo's mom - awwww... Hyun-Woo's dad totally off target watching his wife cry - Story of married life!! tsk tsk.

The ending was awesome! Thank you writers for avoiding the noble idiocy (I was ready to be mad flipping tables if she went to Eun-whatever).. That is how you fight for your love girl! Hwaiting!

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In my book he is his father even if they don't share a single cell...I still don't like DY but hope SC is reunited with his child...Was also happy seeing they went all over the noble idiocy trouple and exposed it ...Kinda sad we don't see her eding going to HW and leaving the place in hands all high and mighty

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same - I'm of the belief that it doesn't take just blood relation to make a parent, that little boy is Soo-cheol's son whether they share DNA or not.

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He definitely is. But not being his DNA indicates a let-down, and that is hurtful, too.
The actual father *could* be Eun-sung, from a short relationship that he then would have given up in pursuit of money and Hae-in.
There's a good chance Da-hye actually haven't slept with anyone else while being with Soo-cheol, but lies about it because Eun-sung otherwise would not trust her to keep being an evil ally if she is genetically involved with the family and he might END HER.
She is afraid of him.
Whether Soo-cheol is the DNA-father or not, it's an important point that he actually loves that child. Since the right to be loved - not depending on your status of birth - is an important theme brought in with the worst Mr. NiceGuy® you can imagine; If it is so important to take care of a loved dog, and a loved child; how then about the dogs and kids that are not loved?
And DNA plays a part there, too.
I imagined EUn-sung could actually be the chairman's son and not know it, and the mother is bitter and hateful towards the family exactly because of their neglectful treatment of the "bastard" son.
That would make her REALLY not want her son to be with Hae-in, and it would make it a revenge project for her to not just take that family's money, but to break them up and fall apart, like with Hae-in's uncle who is not welcome in the family anymore.

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💯 agree on Soo-cheol and family.

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GO Hae In!! I was SO proud of her in that final scene, screw you Eun-Viper, our strong woman Hae In will NOT be coerced. And she referred to Hyun Woo as her husband, not her ex. Daebak!! The look in Hyun Woo's eyes, I was so relieved for him. Gaaah each week is a long wait! This was also, frighteningly enough, the first time I was concerned she might not survive. The fact that she admitted her illness to everyone. Better not because I'm counting on that second - truly HEA - marriage ending.

Loved the bandaid analogy. It was interesting, their opposite perspectives. Hyun Woo the carer wants to go back and make things better, while Hae In in her direct aggressive approach wants to go back and kill it before it has a chance to begin. Wish their communication would carry over though, I was frustrated by the unsent messages can I/you take a day off tomorrow, and the music player lie. I am liking that whenever something is overheard it has a positive outcome vs the old bathroom gossip trope. And whew Hyun Woo and his boxing skills!! That man has lots of hidden talents. I was so glad to see the police arrive, I find it annoying when characters enter dangerous situations without requesting backup.

Hyun Woo's sports car, verrry nice. Him racing up to the house in that car and then running inside...🔥

Leopard Auntie has remained faithful in her promise to keep Hae In's secret despite the many temptations she's had. I hope she finally gets her HEA with the neighbor. And I love Hyun Woo's mom. The time she spent with Hae In in the kitchen, her warm support even before she learned of the diagnosis. I'm glad Hyun Woo had someone to talk to, what a heavy burden he's been carrying.

I'm glad they're using Grace now but I do not want a redemption storyline for her. Eun-Trash is an intriguing villain who is thankfully not one-dimensional, but I don't want redemption for him either. And aside from mom I'm still not liking Hyun Woo's family. All are way too self centered.

Last thought. If Hyun Woo was so impressed by the girl with the music player that he was inspired to do a Cinderella search (hehe again with the assumption that Hae In was poor) and keep her player, why did he not remember/recognize her name?! It was clearly written on her name tag and people at the school would have known when he asked.

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And aside from mom I'm still not liking Hyun Woo's family. All are way too self centered.

Hyun Woo's dad is alright. He is funny and gas his heart at good place. He consoled Hae In's dad, but Hyun Woo's bro and sis are annoying. I don't know how they are earning money when one keeps gossiping at her salon and the other simply keeps drinking without watching his gym.

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Hyun-woo's parents have their hearts in the right place - I like that Dad actually has flaws like being a touch self-centred (thinking his wife was crying about his election defeat when it was actually Hae-in's condition) and not just the nice down-to-earth country bumpkin most dramas would do. The dads' makgeolli conference over losing their respective positions, was one of my favourite bits from the supporting players this week.

The siblings too - they can be gossipy but for the most part, they mean well, noona's rant to Hyun-woo about how it's a good thing he got away from that terrible family and cursing the Hongs for how they treated him was mortifying for her when they turned out to be in the van, but also I appreciate that she was sincere about being on her brother's side in this.

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I know that this family all love one another and they mean well, they are the comic relief and have good intentions even when they cause trouble. They're just not all that likeable for me.

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fair enough, I understand what you mean. I don't mind the siblings as comic relief/Hyun-woo's sounding boards, but I probably wouldn't enjoy it if the drama tried to give them a storyline too the way it has to Soo-cheol.

(is having idiot siblings something Hyun-woo and Hae-in have in common? Looks like it)

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is having idiot siblings something Hyun-woo and Hae-in have in common?

Omo I thought that was a perquisite only for weekender leads. 😂 😉

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Yeah dad is ok. I think just in comparison to Hyun Woo and his mom the rest of the family seems lacking.

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He was smart enough to figure out that a direct threat to Hyun-woo would get her moving

but only an Eun-stupid would forget that Hong Hae-in even with a brain tumour and no access to a credit card, is not someone you want to cross.

re: teenage Hae-in's 'Cinderella' mp3 player and name tag - she was down on the ground, name tag angled away from him - by the time she stood up and stormed away, I don't think he had time to read it or register it (for starters, his attention seems to be fixed on her face lol).

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Hehe yes in that brief moment he knew she was his type then that had to be based only on appearance!
I still wondered, because if he put in a lot of effort to find her like his friend implied you'd think he would have discovered her name. And then if he kept her player out of hope he'd find her again you would think he would have remembered her name as well. Just seemed odd. But really this show is so well done I'm not finding inconsistencies.

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I don't think it's appearance alone, her aloof, cold-while-hiding-vulnerability side was obvious even in that brief encounter and didn't seem to put him off at all so I'm not surprised he fell for adult Hae-in who had the same traits.

It's not unbelievable to me that they didn't actually read each other's name tags - from the epilogue, she's avoiding looking at him beyond the first, hurried glance (because she's near tears) and he probably can't see hers from her position on the ground.

Also the mp3 player wouldn't have been identifiable by her classmates if she only used it after class, if his attempt to find her involved going from class to class to find the owner it's believable that no one could knew it was hers, she had no friends and was gone by then. I don't think it'd occur to him that the owner had left the school altogether.

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I deleted my comment because I watched the entire series from 1-12 in like, three days and I'm not sure whether the detail I shared was from after episode 10.

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The OTP interactions are really the best.

Wishing a fourth time lucky for Leopard Aunt.

I don't want a redemption arc for any of the evil gang except for perhaps Da-hye and that too only for Soo-cheol's sake.

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Teenage Hyun-woo was obviously blinded by Hae-in's beauty (which he remembers vividly) and forgot to read the name tag.

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I need to start writing down my thoughts right after I watch the episodes, because I keep losing them. My husband said something really insightful and I was like, I need to write this down so I can share it on the recap discussion... and of course I didn't.
- I am 100% convinced that Soo-cheol is Geon-u's father. I really doubt Da-hye cheated on him. Who would she have cheated with? And how, since the family has people that tail everyone?
- Da-hye clearly is hurt that Soo-cheol doesn't remember her from their childhood, and thinks that he would reject her "real" self- hence why she bought into Eun-sung's lie. There's no reason for her to trust Eun-sung, but he said something that she already was fearful was true.
- Soo-cheol broke my heart! He looked so happy in that wedding flashback. I'm excited to see him learn to box.
- I really wish that Hae-in and Hyun-woo would just sit down and talk things out.
- I feel like Hae-in would have gone along with Eun-sung's scheme if she hadn't overheard Hyun-woo say that he loves her.
- Honestly, I'm a sucker for a "missed connection" in childhood that later gets resolved as adults, so I am here for that childhood backstory.
- I am already in love with Beom-ja and Yong-song's romance. What an adorable meet-cute!
- Mistress lady is right to be worried: Eun-sung gets emotional when it comes to Hae-in. She's his blind spot. He makes mistakes. He doesn't love her, but he comes as close to loving her as someone like him can, I think. I also think it's kind of like the Great Gatsby where it's more about what she represents than who she is. I wonder why he's been so obsessed with her--did he like her before she wrapped up his injury?
- It's kind of hilarious that Eun-sung is convinced that he could do a better job getting Hae-in access to treatment than Hae-in herself. I'm also glad there's at least one doctor in Drama Land who believes in patient confidentiality.
- I know that both participated in the demise of their relationship, but imo Hyun-woo's stonewalling and tendency to emotionally disengage at conflict has been the most damaging to the long-term health of the relationship. He needs to actually face things and not just run away or keep his thoughts/feelings hidden.
- My husband really hates Hae-in's mom. I keep having to remind him that she's her bio mom, because she acts like an evil step-mom drama archetype. She also seems to have zero common sense (do you not know what "frozen assets" means?)
- I was hoping that Hae-in's dad would help Hyun-woo's dad navigate that political snafu.
- They shouldn't have moved the grandfather to a VIP room. That would have been the ultimate way to hide him!
- I'm glad that the truth finally came out about Hae-in's diagnosis and prognosis.
- I loved Hyun-woo "black knighting" (that's the term, right?) for Hae-in in that flashback.
- I really wish I could remember my husband's insightful observation, or it might have...

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Haha, the irony. I was saying that, if I remember my husband's insightful observation (or it might have been a prediction), I'll add it as a reply to my comment

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"I really doubt Da-hye cheated on him."

I think you are right and her motive for telling him that may have been to somehow soften the blow of losing him also. The kid is not yours anyway so don't be hurt that you lost him.

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Yes, I screamed at the patient confidentially finally being followed.

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Yes, I nearly fell out of my chair.

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"I am 100% convinced that Soo-cheol is Geon-u's father."

I'm not buying it too. That's why I'm unbothered by it. I'll refrain from making up biological and time coincidental reasons proving Soo-cheol is his dad and just trust that the writer will do some justice. For all we know... Eun-seong is the one saying it, and she believed it.

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I think it was implied that Grace had faked the DNA report for the baby, so that it seemed Soo-cheol was the father. They were discussing how all the babies are DNA tested and Grace said that she took care of Soo-cheol's son DNA report.

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Right, but even if she faked the report, he still could be the father

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In a Chaebol family rigid protocols, supervised by the family lawyer, would have been followed for DNA testing (and it would have happened if only to prevent future mischief regarding inheritances). Grace took care of it? Are you kidding me? What about chains of custody? Yeesh.

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Could be so. Da-hye was definitely afraid of Eun-sung, and also the supposed bio-father, and obviously she must have slept with Soo-cheol ... we assume he knows that much about bees and flowers, right?
So she can have totally claimed Abusive Drunk was the father and Grace have put a spit example from Soo-cheol in the "Baby sample bag", when testing the actual baby would have given the same results.
Anyhow, she must have been with both men to make it credible - unless Abusive Drunk knows even less about Bees and Flowers.

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But a child's right to be loved, "stray" or not, is a theme. Though it ought not to make you shoot a dog either way.

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Yes I agree that the baby is Soo Cheul's. She wanted to disincline him from finding her. Or maybe in a backward way help him feel better thinking it's not so terrible because she didn't take his son.

I cheered for the only Kdrama doctor who keeps his integrity!

But I disagree about Hae In joining Eun Seong. She might have considered it for a second as a way to infiltrate Queens but I don't believe she'd ever allow anyone to pressure her into doing something she doesn't want to do. And she has never fallen for Eun Seong's attempts to sway her.

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Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. I think that she was ready to sacrifice herself only because Eun-sung was threatening Hyun-woo.

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I personally think she planned it out - let her family, Hyun-woo and even Secretary Na believe the worst because she's playing it that close to the vest, but the delivery of that 'off-script' part of her speech sounded very rehearsed and sure, like she'd said it in her mind before.

Hae-in knew the leverage Eun-scumbag had on her was dependent on secrecy, because that was his threat all along - 'do what I say or I'll tell them and make them suffer', 'I'll expose your secrets'.
That verbal rug pull was absolutely planned in advance, I'd say, there's no wavering or uncertainty or even nervousness in her voice as she says it - if anything, she picks up strength and emphasis as she starts to speak, compared to the canned-sounding teleprompter read she was doing before that.

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You've really described each nuance of Hae-in's speech so wonderfully I feel like I'm watching the scene again. 👌👏

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I think she planned it after his (planned) drunk-when-cute "talking to himself" the night before.

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I agree that Eun-ugly isn't really capable of unselfish love. He wants to possess and manipulate Hae-in. He really doesn't know the subject of his obsession.

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All adjectives and affixes can be attached to Eun-seong except Eun-ugly. That guy is handsome please - a feast to the eyes. Everything but Eun-ugly is fine.

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On the final recap we really need to get a list of every epithet he's ever been called in db recaps and comments in place of his actual name (Eun-sociopath is my personal favourite)

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My fantasy is that there’s a drama blog in SK that has a list of all the creative English names created by Unit and Beanies: “look at what they’re calling him on this US blog, so funny!” 😆

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Yes, let’s not go there because that’s insulting the actor. The character insults are fine, the actor insults are absolutely not.

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I'll comment on a previously deleted comment.
I apologize to those who were offended in my calling Eun-seong Ugly. I gave my opinion about the personality traits of the character in question, as I thought we all were. It never dawned on me that it could be viewed as an attack on the actor himself.

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Handsome is as handsome does! So Enu-@%! is definitely ugly.

Now Park Sung-hoon is another matter. 😍😍😍

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Personally, I think the Eun-sung actor looks normal; not handsome, not ugly.
Eun-slug, the character, makes my intestines turn in their (my) tummy. I think if you touch him, he feels like the underside of a slug. Slugs are pretty compared to him.

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I don't think either of them are more to blame for their relationship issues. Hyun Woo has tried to talk with Hae In but she has not always been willing to listen. Remember for example in Germany he wanted to discuss his reasons for considering divorce and come to an agreement for what to do next but she refused to hear him.

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Hyun Woo only explained to Hae In about the divorce because he got caught! The flaw in their relationship from the beginning is they both assume things of the other. Speak!

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yeah the 'making assumptions' has been mutual, Hyun-woo does it more and has been doing it since before they were even in a relationship (I am still slain by the fact that my boy told her he'd marry her before they were even dating!!) but Hae-in bases hers on her experience with her mother i.e. someone who's supposed to love her, instead blames and rejects her over a loss that was beyond her control and she just accepts it as a given. Unfortunately, Hyun-woo's avoidant tendencies fed right into this post-pregnancy-loss and this is how you get the pair as they were in ep 1.

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He told her he would marry her, but as a proposal. Not like: Hello, you are lucky, you get to marry me, and I will not talk about our difference in status, because I am a super graceful person ( a la cousin Collins in Pride& Prejudice).
But his boasting scene was so cute!

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@ceciliedk - oh no, I didn't mean he said it like Mr Collins!!! just that it's different from the second proposal after they were officially dating, when he went down on one knee with the ring. Proposal 1 is very "I can take care of you, please think about it?" with cuteness compounded by the umbrella (which she kept to this day!!)

We've seen them through different stages of their early relationship from proposal-pre-dating, to what they'd call a 'some' (the whole Young-sookie epilogue in ep 7), to undercover office romance, to officially dating and then marriage proposals 2 (from him) and 3 (from her) but I still have so many questions about HongBaek mk. 1 and so many scenes I'm dying to see, sure sign of a great show and a great lead couple <3

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I would not call the first one a marriage proposal though. The first one is actually a proposal to date-with-the-intent-of-marriage. It's recognisable within conservative cultures in the West, as well as Korea. It's saying ' I want to get to know you and I'm not a player' .

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The way he is pretty proud, and don't want to boast, and is like, avoiding eye contact to avoid imposing on her with his education and already-halfway-paid apartment and more-than-thirty-almost-35 cows. It's gold.

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@mazarin - it's like a cross between a matseon and regular proposal lol. I mean, I do come from a country where they do those, and even there, out-of-the-blue proposing to a girl you aren't even dating yet, in the 21st century at that, would still be considered ....... highly unusual 🤣

@ceciliedk right??!! He was trying SO HARD not to freak her out with his cows and his leased apartment and his ₩2 million monthly savings and then asking her to think about it and not demanding an answer rightaway 🤣 (but it's honestly really sweet too because you know that unlike a certain someone, he'd have honoured it if her answer was a no)

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It's the out-of-the-blue that makes it unusual. But we saw it as a partial story, and very early in the narrative, so we don't actually know how out-of the blue it was. It marked the point that HI started crushing on HW, but we don't know how much else had happened before then. (When does the cute-when-drunk episode happen? It looks like its after they started dating, but they must not have been public, because HW is sitting next to Other Girls)

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@ceciliedk - it's clearly after the little verbal nudge she gave him in episode 1 to please think about why he doesn't like seeing her scolded and worries about her, so he clearly had something to go on there even if they weren't yet dating.

but I think Hae-in expected a 'I like you, please date me' - not a jump straight to 'it's ok if you quit your job and be a housewife I'll take care of you' lol. If I had to guess I'd say it was before the Young-sookie conversation in the episode 7 epilogue, based on both the weather/outfits (the latter is winter) and their diminishing levels of formality with each other.

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I'm referring to the proposal btw - Hyun-woo's drunken superpower unlock is most certainly at a later stage, after the Young-sookie conversation but yeah, our kids were definitely dating on the quiet during that dinner.

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"Drunken Superpower Unlock" 🤣😄😍

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and yes - he only explained to Hae-in about the divorce because he got caught.

She wasn't stupid, she even guessed he was faking at first before she found his 'research' on her survival prospects and assumed it was out of concern for her, but she was still in love with him so allowed her guard down and believed him after that. He did fool her - but only because she wanted to believe him (it's telling that she was clearly been waiting for him to initiate some kind of marital rapprochement even before she received her diagnosis)

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But when the absolute bottom of their relationship happened at the same time as her announcement that she was dying, then of course there was no good time to say it, ever. Even if it had been a more modern situation ("I like you, but this is not working out for us, I want us to look elsewhere for happiness") when she told him, how could he have said to her that now he wanted a divorce?
The horrible fact was all that joy he was hiding at the start. Even in pretty bad relationships I don't think it's normal to react like that. But of course ... he has felt he was actually in an abusive relationship, because the only real contact they had was at work, where she ruthlessly went for the trillion dollar club at the expense of existing good business relationships.
And as you remember, she even prioritized that trillion dollar club above anything she could do before her death.

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@ceciliedk - here's the thing, this cold, heartless, borderline abusive monster he's worked himself up into believing she is in order to convince himself he wants to divorce her, is also something he's built up in his own head because he really can't keep it up when he finds out things like their baby's due date being her unlock code or her jumping in to try and help out his family, unbeknownst to him. Of course he didn't want to drop the divorce on her while she was still sick or getting treatment, but by the time it was exposed, he'd long since tossed the idea of divorcing her - he never would have told her if he hadn't been exposed.

She can be cold and ruthless in her business dealings (cheerfully resorting to blackmail to get her Hercyna deal), and since business has become their only real pretext for interaction by ep 1, it's how he sees her. It doesn't help that by the time they lost the baby, their mutually established behaviour patterns clashed in the worst possible way. I'd argue there's also a level of self-delusion going on with Hyun-woo - if he truly hated her so much that he was totally thrilled to be freed from the marriage via her death, his jealousy over Eun-snake potentially being a rival, doesn't make sense - like Yang-gi said, he should be celebrating but instead he's seething quietly over it even as he's still convinced that he wants her to die so he can be free. That delusion starts wavering once he finds her pass code, and it's clear by the end of episode 5 that it's gone altogether - I think we can agree that all thoughts of divorce were pretty definitively gone after Yongdu-ri, and certainly by the time he got on that plane to Germany. Which makes it even more of a tragic twist, in a way - he convinced himself he was faking but then it all turned out to be real, and that's when the bomb drops.

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He did say that he hated her, that he despised her, that she doesn't care about him or how his family treats him, that she only cares about herself, that she is selfish and that he endured three years of this treatment from her and her family. It's all in episode 1 when he sees his psychologist ( at minute 37-38 ), played wonderfully by one of my favourite actor, his brother from IONTBO.
He wasn't jealous of Eun-stink from the beginning, at first he said something like he can have her at the party. His feelings for HI started to resurfaced after she kissed him in ep. 3 and found out the pass code, the day after he starts seeing her beautifull again and starts to get jealous. When she kissed him, she said that she will start doing things differently than up until that point and she asked herself why hasn't she been confident until then. She started changing because he changed, sadly for the wrong reasons (trying to make her change the will, getting close to her to not look in the phone to see the divorce message). You could say that his ill intent gave her the confidence to show that she wants him when she thought that he didn't anymore (because she was a monster to him) and that is what made him fall in love with her again (the kiss and the password are what he needed all along and the reasons he left the bedroom). I think that if she remained the same icy monster towards him he would not have fallen for her again, even if she was sick or not, and he would have divorced her if she would have beat the cancer.

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@Kodra - the "he should have married her" monologue Hyun-woo gave himself in the bathroom at the party is directly contradicted by his reaction to emerging and - for the first time - actually seeing Eun-snake with Hae-in.

That's episode 2, with ever more indications sprinkled through it and episode 3 that Eun-sung's attentions to Hae-in bother him more than he lets on - trying to speak to her in the helicopter on the way to the ep 2 hunt only to find Eun-snake whispering into her ear instead (this is before the riflepoint confrontation in the woods which I think we can treat as the official start of ES giving him the creeps), physically putting himself between Hae-in and Eun-snake when Eun-snake tries to act all concerned about her near-death by wild boar to get close to her - after which Hyun-woo quite pointedly leads her away by the hand in front of him, Secretary Kim the Snake making a point of telling him all about Hae-in's dinner meeting with Eun-snake and how she'll be home late (Hyun-woo is obviously bothered by this), and finally, Hyun-woo side-eyeing Eun-snake for having the audacity to call her "우리" Hae-in in front of him when she comes home drunk from that dinner (definitely skirting a line on language there, as Eun-snake could be read to be implying she's 'his' Hae-in or 'our' Hae-in - and if Hyun-woo truly wanted him to take Hae-in off his hands before that kiss revived his feelings, it all simply doesn't add up because all of the above instances of fairly obvious jealousy at the idea of another man moving in on the wife he says he hates so much...... are pre-episode-3-kiss.

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Are you saying that she was great and it was all in his head? And mine? 🤣
He hated her because he loved her but whom he loved was not that person anymore. Once she changed a little those feelings reignited. But if she would not have changed towards him he would have still hated her. Why does she say that she will start doing things differently? Because she was different, just as HW said she was.
He didn't start getting jealous until after the kiss, he was just aware that Eun-stink was a bad guy until then. His hate was not making him wish to harm her or wanting her to be hurt, he was still concerned about her. That is why he couldn't tell her about the divorce. He wasn't happy that she was dying, he was relieved that it was a way to be released from the family that he was scared of without getting a divorce. His hate was because he was hurt, he felt deceived and abused by her.
He couldn't take his hands off because he started it all by coming close to her, if he wanted something he would have kissed her. He was just afraid he would be caught because of the phone.
He didn't feel jealousy when HI whispered something in Eul-stink, he felt hurt that she ignored him as usual.
Why did she say that she tricked him when she said that she would not make him cry? Let's not paint her all in white, he had plenty of reasons to hate her and to want the divorce. Maybe because of the disease that I suspect started long ago, she might have minor symptoms long before, but he would not have been aware of it and thought that she was like that. Which in turn made her more icy with him because she was not aware of what she did and lost confidence that he loved her anymore. Writer-nim didn't chose a brain cancer out of the blue, one that comes with changes in personality and mood, blackouts or even minor loss of memory.

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@Kodra - not sure where you got that first line of your comment from, I'm just pointing out what's actually happening on the screen i.e. multiple instances of Hyun-woo being obviously bothered and jealous over Eun-snake's implied intimacy with the wife he says he hates and wished Eun-sung had married first (giving the lie to his words), and no, not just because he - correctly - thinks he's a wrong 'un, because he doesn't have any basis to think that until the 'trespassing on other people's territory' part at the hunting grounds and even before that we've seen him bothered by Eun-sung being physically close to Hae-in twice already. Once can be dismissed, twice and multiple times? Not so much.
And the entire pre-kiss scene of Eun-sung bringing a drunk Hae-in home and making a point to tell Hyun-woo that the two of them were drinking alone together, that he'd bring Hae-in inside, that he knew her hangover cure (implying more past intimacy), Hyun-woo keeps quiet through all of it but that "우리" is what causes him to snap and put Eun-snake in his place. I mean, you could keep believing Hyun-woo's just acting out of suspicion against Eun-snake at that point and doesn't revive feelings until Hae-in kisses him right after that, but I'd say between Kim Soo-hyun and the dialogue, the subtext is perfectly clear.

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"basically, he tells himself one thing - even convinces himself of it - only for his actions to point to the opposite."

As I said, he hated the HI of the last three years but he still was in love with the one before the marriage. He obviously still cared for her, it's in his nature. He didn't see a way out, he did not just convinced himself, it was because how she was towards him. She started to change and that is why he didn't want to divorce again. He was still protective with her, that's who he is, when he saw that Eun-stink was lurking around HI but almost as he was with auntie, not because of jealousy up until the ep. 3 kiss. Just remember that he didn't want to even go in the room or cuddle with her at the hunting trip. If he would have been really jealous he would have made a move then. Compare that with when he is actually jealous in ep. 10 when not only he tells her but activates his superpower on her when talking to her didn't get him anywhere.

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@pogo1 I wanted to reply to a comment you made below but the thread length doesn't allow it. Your comment was spot on! The reality of how they were treating one another and Hyun Woo's misunderstanding of Hae In's feelings, until he discovered her phone code. That started him thinking and looking at her behavior from a different perspective, and bit by bit he came to realize that he still loves her. There were so many hints in his own behavior that he hadn't picked up on. Divorce was no longer something he wanted but unfortunately he hadn't shredded that document.

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@Kodra - "almost as he was with auntie" - we're going to have to agree to disagree about that one lol, I really doubt he'd act that way around Beom-ja.

The argument that Hae-in drunkenly kissing Hyun-woo at the end of episode 3 was what revived his actual feelings of jealousy, doesn't really make sense to me - he's not really into that kiss, is more distracted by her phone but lets it happen because he gave her the impression he was open to it by pushing her up against that tree while trying to stop her looking at her texts.

He's jealous, sure, but emotionally not ready to admit - even to himself - that that's what it is, or to follow up on what it means (i.e. he still feels attraction/desire for her, and for present-day Hae-in at that - he hasn't yet discovered the pass code). Similar thing in episode 5 in his bedroom, only by that time he's gained enough self-awareness to realise that he does want her but he's not ready to act on it so runs away.

But yes, I think there were flaws in the marriage even before the baby loss - like the small point of Hae-in never visiting her in-laws after the wedding, and Hyun-woo never going to Yongdu-ri with her in the first year of their marriage despite having no problems bringing her home when they were dating. I'd initially assumed this was on Hae-in being a snob about his family, but as episode 4 shows, she's not that way at all even in her present 'ice queen' era based on her interactions with Hyun-woo's siblings and parents. I'd wager that it had something to do with Hae-in's mother being a snob and somehow giving Hyun-woo the impression he shouldn't take her to visit the in-laws despite her already having made her way there twice, but I'd say the main problem of their marriage is not only a lack of communication, it's in accepted assumptions.

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What I meant about being like he is with auntie was only towards Eun-stink up until that kiss and finding the password, meaning it was not jealousy but concern for her wellbeing. Yes, he was more worried about finding and deleting his sister's message but I don't think that only finding the password without her actually making a move on him right before would have changed anything. I think that both incidents helped and if only one of them had happened it would not have had the same impact on him to make him see her in a beautiful aura the next morning. And just think about it, jealousy means you want to be with that person but, like you said, he was still more interested in the phone (remember, at that time he was still faking it to get the will changed and her finding the divorce would have ruined it all) and had no interest of kissing her. He was starting to be annoyed by this guy, of course, because he sensed that he was more than what he was pretending to be and somewhat was concerned that she was drinking and with her disease it was not a good idea. At least that's my take on it, we don't have to agree with everything. Part of being here and discussing our ideas is to also find out if our ideas hold water and how we will find out if nobody would challenge them. At least that is how I am, it is more fun and makes the time goes faster until the next episodes. I have enjoyed our "confrontations", you are a great debater and you made me change some of my takes on this drama.
Silly question though...what's corn salad?

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@Kodra - I get what you mean, but even if we confine all considerations of whether he was jealous or not to pre-episode 3 kiss/passcode discovery alone, Hyun-woo still looks put out - not concerned or worried for her, but discomfited - by seeing Eun-slime talk to Hae-in, once at a party with dozens of people around and the second time in the helicopter when he was right there (and as he himself tries - with no apparent faking - to talk to her himself). Eun-snake's trespassing on their hunt course+attempted dog killing was what triggered Hyun-woo's actual suspicions that Eun-snake is not what he seems to be, but imo there's definitely jealousy at play on his part well before the hunting incident and his first suspicions of Eun-snake, even if it's subconscious or he's in denial.

re: Corn Salad - remember a certain Mr Vincenzo? He's the Corn Salad in question. I would recommend watching his drama to find out how since I wouldn't want to spoil your fun, but if you're in a hurry, the answer is here: https://www.dramabeans.com/2021/03/vincenzo-episode-11/

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@kodra - I had a whole reply typed out, but it seems to have vanished so I'll just stick to the operative part:

Corn Salad = a certain Vincenzo (if you want to find out why he's corn salad, I highly recommend watching the eponymous show as I don't want to spoil your fun).
Alternately, if you are in a hurry, read the recap of episode 11 of Vincenzo right here on db - I'd linked it, but apparently the spam filter ate it.

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But the "Cold, Heartless MOnster" is what other people see, too, so it's not like he has to invent the whole thing in his own head.
But still, it is based on that one thing; the aftermath of a tragic miscarriage. (If it was within the first three months, and if there was no dramatic illness rendering her unable to try again, they were wildly overreacting; I've heard it's like three out of five pregnancies that do not go on to beyond that mark. So don't count your chickens, as they say, strangely appropriate).
Hrm hm, anyway, when she had all the stuff removed, and didn't even talk to him about how it affected her other than in a "it annoys me" kind of way, that broke it.
Because yes, she has the coldest eyes, and yes, when she is loving towards her brother she instills self worth in him by hitting him for not valuing himself enough, ... but she was like that when he fell for her. He was seeing that she would have a hard time being liked by other people, and decided to be the one to protect her, if she would let him.
I can imagine she has become like that to protect herself against the ice cold hatred from her mother. I don't even know how the mother would suddenly see that herself now, having treated her so bad for so long.
I mean, I know of parents who have treated their kids differently,
(Small ep. 12 flashback SPoiler:)
but avoiding the hand hold out to touch them ... that is extreme.

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Agree, that's what I mean, both of them need to communicate, so they're mutually to blame, neither more than the other. Yes, talk, please!!

And yes he got caught, but honestly if I were in his shoes and planned to break up with someone I could not have gone through with it upon learning news like hers. And I would not have come clean while she was going through treatment, that's too cruel. Afterwards, yes.

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Exactly! I just wrote something to the same effect before I read your comment.
You can't go to someone who is dying ... fast! ... and then demand a divorce.
You would have a talk about what they wanted you to be for them the next few months, and if it seemed they would actually rather be without you, then you could ask if what *they* really wanted was a divorce. Otherwise, you are their support person for the rest of their short life, or until the alarm is called off.
But actually, when you think about breaking up with someone, it is normal to have a last rush of sentimental longing and affection for all the good things. Sometimes that postpones breaking up and sometimes, the relationship gets better in that time. In your partner was dying, it would be quite natural to be induced with a great tolerance of their flaws and fondness for their good sides. Since all of it would be over soon.

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I'm not saying that he's to blame, but he basically disengaged from the relationship after the miscarriage and I don't think that would have changed if Hae-in hadn't gotten sick. I think that withdrawal, while completely understandable, was ultimately the death knell.

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It's like the sad mirror of him ghosting her after he found out she was a chaebol heir - only that time, she just got in that helicopter and went after him.

By the time they lose their baby, self-blame and her decades-old pattern of rejection by her own mother have taken that fighting spirit out of her. I don't blame either of them for reacting the way they did, but I can see how it happened - like you said, his withdrawal combined with her reluctance to breach his boundaries or talk, created this.

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I don't know if he is to blame for that because she never talked to him before decided to clear the nursery and he still went to her to talk about it but she placed that big wall between them right then. The thing is we don't know much about if they had any problems until then. Yes, we were shown that they were happy when they heard the news or when they were fixing the nursery but cracks probably were started to appear before that and they might just have dismissed them when the news arrived. It is hard to believe that two people that were so much in love would have forgotten everything in an instant in face of a tragedy. Look at them now how much they actually got closer when faced with another one.
I think the problem was the disease all along because the symptoms must have started a lot earlier and both did not understand or noticed the mood and personality changes that come with such brain tumors. She might have had blackouts before and didn't realize that they were from the disease and maybe that is why she blamed herself for the miscarriage. Maybe she was just afraid to admit for so long that something was wrong with her and that made her angry at times and took it all on him.

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I wouldn't say he's to blame by any means. Hae-in refusing to talk about moving things out of the nursery was a major problem. That being said, Hyun-woo pretty much just gave up trying to reach out to her or talk to her right away, a very ineffective response that made things even worse. I would argue that his moving out of their bedroom was pretty much like a separation or breakup in itself.

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But he did right away and asked her about the nursery. She said that it gets on her nerves and that they don't needed anymore. She turned away and continued her phone conversation. She obviously saw him upset and she didn't care when he left pissed off. At least he showed that he was upset and wanted to talk but she showed nothing, like she didn't care. Like she didn't care if he moved out, like he was getting on her nerves too. As I said, just saying that "we don't needed anymore" without explaining why means that she did wanted that separation from him also. She could have gone to talk to him after seeing him upset by her actions and her words.
So he did try to talk to her but she never did and never showed him that she was grieving also. She was cold as ice, concerned more about her bussiness and the whole baby thing was getting on her nerves. If you don't show that you are even grieving and you say that you don't needed anymore without explaining yourself, you see that he moves out because of how you acted and what you said and still are not doing anything to explain yourself, what are you actually saying? Did she say that they will not have babies at all? Did she say for awhile? Did she say why? Did she say anything else? She just turned away and talked on the phone. She pushed him away and by not going to talk to him means that she wanted him out of that bedroom. I am not talking here about why she did it, about her past and her ways of dealing with grief. We all know it and somewhat understand her. I am talking strictly about that he was not at fault for removing himself from the bedroom because he really tried to talk to her.

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Be honest, people. Her cold look could keep food fresh for months. If you only count what is said, he seems the worst, but she did not seem inviting of questions and sympathy.
When she said he should go with her, it sounded like just even more work - not a word about what she needed him for. And he was at that time used to Cinderelling his way through mountains of paper that needed a keen legal eye.
I mean, I love her, but he hasn't just grown distant because he did'nt want to ask. He was scared.
And when he tried to say sad, normal things about what to do if maybe you will only live a few months more ... all she could talk about was getting richer. He kind of got lost for words.

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We share the same perspective on a lot of points here! Why he chose not to ask for divorce, and her cold food look. I just feel like I can't blame either one in particular for the break down of their relationship. It was a combination of each of their approaches to conflict learned from their past. All of these recent events are now conspiring to remind them of why they fell for one another.

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Exactly. I was just pointing out that even when she didn't do anything, she was frightening with that icy cold look.
For us viewers, it is fun to watch, but I would feel very unhappy if say, my hubby looked at me like that all the time.
Also, she never lets him see that she becomes happy when he says nice things to her. It's like in "Girl" with The Beatles
"When you say she's looking good
She acts as if it's understood
She's coo-ool! Oo-ooh! oo-ooh! oO-ooh!"
Then again, he should be prepared for that, because she did like that already when they met.
And he does like it, at least under some circumstances, or he wouldn't do that little "How Feisty!" when his secretary relays her long message about all the extra work he "ought to" have done.

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@ceciliedk - that's the thing, she does show she's happy when she thinks he's done something nice for her - like her finding his open tabs on terminal illness survival rates and thinking he did it for her sake (and telling him so!), or drunk-kissing him after she thinks him pushing her against the tree in ep 3 was an invitation to do that, or all but issuing an open invitation to stay when she catches him in her bedroom while he's trying to erase his sister's texts from her phone.

There's no doubt she was icy, but it takes only a very little warmth - or even the impression of warmth from him - to make her start thawing. The problem is that neither of them wanted to be the first one to show 'weakness' for so long, but the choice has been taken out of their hands by her diagnosis.

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As I recall, she doesn't show him that she is happy about his internet searches? I am not quite sure, but I think she only shows it to us, at least for some time.
Also, I giffed an example on my wall of what I mean: https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1563840/
Just to make sure: I am at no point saying everything was her fault, or everything was his fault.
Probably, in another relationship he would be the one who would be more able to make it work for a long time; he is more "normal". But the girl he fell in love with was the one he already predicted would get fired again and again for being so unsociable. So that's what they need to make work.
Oh, my heart hurts when I think how logic it will be if she dies in the end. I really, really hope she survives. With her mind intact. It's drama-land. Give us miracles.

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I think that when he came to her in Germany and said: You promised I would never have to cry, but I have cried so much - that was almost like admitting and withdrawing his wish for divorce in one breath. He was in love with her fully again, but he didn't just go there doing in-love-y things, he started by telling her how much he had suffered alone in the relationship.
At that point, those divorce papers were super irrelevant. Talking about that pain was so necessary and it was so painful when she wouldn't listen. For once, it didn't seem completely unrealistic that he didn't have it in him to get that story told (usual k-drama way is someone asking for an explanation while shoutingly interrupting any attempts at giving one - as just demonstrated by Sun-jae's dad in Lovely Runner).
But really, because he had told her even the day before about all the pain he had been hiding, he should have tried shouting a bit about that, and how it had made him feel lonely and abused, but that he still loved her, and loved her again - it could have spared them a lot of pain, maybe. But his bad conscience made it hard for him to say that, I guess.
For anyone who has forgotten: He thought she didn't know and didn't care about how he felt and how he was treated. And as to what he saw, that was true; He didn't see her defending him, it always happened when he weren't there. And she was talking to him more like a graceless employer than as a loving partner, really. But she also did that because she was being pressured by the ways of her family.
Reminds me: Her mother has only just found out that Hae-in's older brother did not drown because he rescued Hae-in at expense of his own life. He only drowned because he was so unlucky as to not be found and rescued by Hyun Woo. And Hae-in didn't see clearly who rescued her, she just assumed it was her brother. And Eun-serpent has now told her it was him.

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I forgot to say: If I were in his shoes, I would not have told her about my divorce-thoughts at that point either. It would, and it did, make the situation very difficult, and there was no reason, really. Not with such an all-encompassing problem at hand, not with such a time pressure.
Of course it became important the moment it was viciously revealed. But otherwise, they would have been better off just talking about the feelings that led him there, rather than about actually making the paperwork ready.
Had they had more time, having a long talk and admitting to having felt so desperate as to making preparations for a divorce could have been a good, honest talk. But sometimes, bringing up hurtful things that need a long talk-through is just counter-productive.

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I don't think anyone realizes yet that Hyun Woo was the one who rescued Hae In, not her brother. Her mom knows he rescued a child but not who, and Hae In probably still believes it was her brother because she knows Eun Snake is dishonest.

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"I'm also glad there's at least one doctor in Drama Land who believes in patient confidentiality."
> This!! I was so impressed that both the hospital director and doctor refused the budge, the doctor even gave BaekHong a heads up!

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I was also amazed that at least i see ONE doctor who actually is keeping his mouth shut and even informing the patient after...And sooo damn right at your insight about the VIP hospital room...That is somehow like how a rich person in dramas might do as he would never cross his mind to use a common room to do the evil deed because he's a snob LOL

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I think in a different way, the both families members have a big heart. Hae-In's family thought their money and statut will protect them, so they're a little bit dumb and the mum is awful with Hae-In and should have addressed her grieve with a psy but she cares for her family, the father too, the aunt is crazy but expresses her feelings, Soo-Chul is not the penguin who slides the furthest but he's just a fool in love. Kwak Dong-Yeon playing a scene with a baby being vaccinated reminded me Twice Again.

The couple is killing me! They spend so much time trying to protect each other without the other knowing... I love how he just sowed leafs like Tom Thumb, he was cute and touching when he confessed. Hae-In was right, he's cute when he's drunk, even their boss couldn't tell him no for a love shot during their diner 😂

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its always KDY and the babies getting vaccinated lol

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Yes, I noted Hyun Woo is adorable when drunk too, and I usually criticize drinking, but KSH was really adorable.

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That scene instantly reminded me of 'Never Twice'!!

KSH is definitely an adorable drunk!! No debates..

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Never Twice but Kang Dong-yeon says otherwise.

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"not the penguin who slides the furthest" this is killing me, he'd honestly be happier being a house-husband or something.

I agree that members of both families have a heart despite their imperfections, even if some of the Hongs are in need of a reality check (and getting it in Yongdu-ri). Like Dad and Auntie are really quite caring to Hae-in, even Soo-cheol in his goofy way expresses concern, it's Grandpa and the mother who are the real problem and whose complete stupidity, snobbishness and stubbornness helped get them to where they are now.

The leaf strewing!!! In the episode, when Hyun-woo's ma sees it and smiles, I assumed at first it was because she thought Hae-in had done it since she'd been 'out for a walk' (waiting for Hyun-woo) but realising it was actually Hyun-woo who left the leaf trail - and what it meant by the epilogue.....*insert fangirl screaming here*

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He planned being cute! But luckily, it worked.

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I think the drunk scene of episode one was extra hilarious because he looked real dum, while complaining loudly about how cute he was!
ANd I know very well that Kim can play the most adorable drunk, from tipsy to can't-stand-on-his-own-legs. If I didn't know that then, I certainly would have found out now.
But did you notice that he talked to Baek Hyun Tae about going back to the house, drunk, and act super cute ... if maybe that would get her back?
And that was exactly what he did. And he stood right in front of her door and talked "to himself". 🤣😽😻🩷

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I find it hard to believe that a married couple would not have seen each others childhood photos in any given time. It’s unnatural to believe that he had no idea that he has been married to his childhood crush.

And I also feel that they portrayed HaeIn more with the feelings than HyonWoo. Almost all epilogues centre around her looking at him secretly with lovey dovey eyes.

I really don’t want her to die but given the gravity of her illness I don’t see how they can turn it around. Let’s see.

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Excellent point about the childhood photos. I'm pretty sure that her anemia will improve with her new diet, she'll be able to get treatment, and the treatment will work.

I also want to see more of Hyun-woo's feelings.

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I'm pretty sure that her anemia will improve with her new diet, she'll be able to get treatment, and the treatment will work.

its so obvious lol

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She lost her brother, I'm pretty sure she doesn't really talk about the past, neither her family. I can't picture them making photo albums.

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yeah the Hongs don't seem the type to show off family photo albums once her oppa died, even if it was years later by then.

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re: no childhood pics, Hae-in was a teenager when they met and somehow doesn't seem like the type to take a lot of photos of herself at that age or share them (also 2006-era pre-iPhone cameraphones had terrible resolution no matter how fancy they were, any self-shot pics from that age were usually lost in phone changes if we didn't upload them to Facebook or something), can't see her mother showing Hyun-woo any family pics from that era either particularly with how hostile she was to him.

They made a point to show Hae-in looking at Hyun-woo's childhood pics when she visited but I can believe that she didn't see pics of him as a teenager and it's the mp3 that triggers the memory more than a stray pic would.

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The photo of him in his school uniform (when he transferred to the highschool in Seoul) is rather front and center in his room - and she saw it at least twice.

However, I wouldn't expect anyone to have a photo memory of him, especially since she was in tears and if I recall correctly, looking up at him with the sun behind him? But I admit, I thought when she first took the mp3 out of the drawer (in her prior visit) that she recognized it - I mean, how many teenage boys would have a pink mp3 player with the same play list as her own??

i was actually rather disappointed with the narrative (the writer) that Hyun Woo believed he would recognize the girl instantly if he met her - I didn't find it amusing that he apparently did not recognize her.

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I'm not totally surprised she didn't recognise him - like you said, teenage Hae-in was in tears and not 100 percent paying attention to the boy in front of her at the time.

Honestly, I'm not surprised she didn't recognise the mp3 player at first either - one of the major features of iPod nano type mp3 players, was that they could shuffle songs if shaken, so who knows if her playlist was even in its original order (and I certainly wouldn't remember my own playlist from that era either - artists and songs yes, order of playlists no). She recognised it based on her monogram, which she apparently didn't notice last time because she glitched out too fast to really start looking.

(What I am surprised by is the fact that it's still working after 17 years! Good advert for Samsung battery longevity if so, because I remember iPod batteries used to drain even if the player wasn't in use)

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Hyun woo always has his clueness hat on when it comes to being in and proxiemity of Hae in. I think he completely forgot about the high school girl the second he started courting and proposed to Hae in, as it should have been. Now that the divorce has happened, he is reminensing because the man is just a pure romantic. I'm sure they have seen childhood photos of each other and Hae in never gave it a second thought because she left and Hyun woo did after searching for her that one time in school and then moving on with his life. He just plain forgot and he did not want to admit that. :)

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"Mr. Baek Hyun-woo, my husband, and former legal director, behind bars.” *Screams in 16 different languages* Hae-in addressed Hyun-woo as “my husband,” people!!"

Yes, because something is fishy about this divorce. Like the papers being signed and dated by both parties but never filed with the court because Hae-in told Mr. Vincenzo not to until she gives the okay. She hasn't yet.

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