So is dancing drama bts/promo videos featuring foreign music a trend now? South Korea used that French Boombastic song with MDBC and now China’s got this Indian bop on its Arsenal Military Academy video. I wonder which country will get an obscure dance tune featured next?
Chinese dramas have featured Indian tunes before. In Oh My General, the entire dance sequence where the clingy spiteful woman (who loved the FL she thought was a guy) danced in front of a king, Its the song Jashn E – Bahara instrumental from Jodha Akbar.
Another Chinese drama even featured an official Indian id document as one of the documents for London (Queen of SOP I think 🤔)
Any other Beanies watching Arsenal Military Academy? I\’m kind of lovin\’ it right now. It\’s also surprisingly giving me second female lead syndrome for the first time!
It’s going on my “To Watch” list… When I first read the synopsis, I thought, “Okay… so ‘modern day Mulan/Hana Kimi (switch out the school for military)? 🤣
The modern-day Mulan/Hana Kimi was what lured me in, but there’s actually much less emphasis on the gender-bender tropes than I thought there would be. It’s more focused on the conflicts with the Japanese and how every cast member is affected by them. There are some episodes where Xu Kai and Bai Lu are only present for like ~10 minutes in the episode, but I surprisingly really like it regardless of the lack of rom-com fun.
I’m actually not surprised… From what you’re giving me about the synopsis, it’s probably a good thing that it’s so straightforward and less lovey-dovey, because if it were more of the latter, I feel like it might’ve not been able to make it to the airwaves #censorship
Welp, ALML finally came to an end pretty much as I predicted it would be, but even so I’m still left just shaking my head in bewilderment at what happened with this show. For those of you still watching that haven’t seen the last episode yet, unless you really feel like sitting through a draggy full hour watching the finale, I suggest you just watch the last 5 minutes and read the recap when it comes out. It will probably be easier to understand the ending if you just skip everything building up to it anyway lol
I don’t think anyone’s brought this up yet so I’m just going to put it out there. Angel’s Last Mission: Love is basically a crappy re-imagining of My Girlfriend is a Gumiho, which saddens me greatly because MGIAG is my first k-drama love and I was really hoping that this show would finally be the fantasy forbidden love rom-com to replace it. I’m also frankly shocked that with the amount of “inspirations” the writer of ALML took from it she still managed to screw it up so bad. Like, let’s examine all the commonalities:
1. A couple that has to go against the heavens to be together
2. The 100 days to be a couple period which ends in the death of one half of the couple.
3. The pairing of a rich self-centered ass with a fish-out-of-water mythical being
4. Mythical being goes on quest to find a way to become human without telling the person they’re trying to become human for
5. Human finds out about mythical being’s quest and imminent doom through second male lead spilling the beans in a jealous attempt to break up the couple
6. Both couples become entangled when the mythical being saves the human on a rainy night
7. Both couples have a contractual relationship requiring cohabitation
8. Both second male leads love the female lead simply because she’s a doppelganger of their first love
9. Above first love dies as a sacrifice for second male lead who then lives an eternity being unable to die, hating being human, and stalking his first love’s doppelganger
10. Mythical being gives something critical to their identity to the other person (fox bead vs handkerchief)
11. Both shows have a secondary female that tries to fatally injure female lead by making them fall off a high place
12. Even the “I don’t care if I die, I’m going to love you” grab-face-and-kiss scene in ALML was like a watered down version of the infamous Seung-Gi/Min-Ah kiss minus the exchanging of fox bead, stopped traffic, and emotional impact. Unlike ALML though, Dae Woong stuck with his decision to love her, whereas Dan went back to being wishy-washy about whether he wanted to be a couple with Yeon Seo the following week…
I’m sure there’s more, but these were the ones that stuck out to me the most. I don’t mind that the writer is taking so much from MGIAG, but it really irks me that she’s clearly had MGIAG in mind when writing ALML’s plot, yet failed spectacularly at getting right the one aspect MGIAG succeeded the best in: the rom-com entertainment factor.
MGIAG definitely had its flaws and I’m sure there’s many people who, especially if watching it for the first time 10 years later, would be less than impressed by it. But at least the Hong sisters didn’t forget its intended genre and kept ample amounts of cute and laughs throughout the entire run to keep viewers satisfied. Despite being billed as a “heartwarming rom-com about the beauty of love that makes us human,” ALML is pretty much 75% drawn out angst and secondary character drivel no one cares about, 15% scenes of Dan and Yeon Seo on screen at the same time, and only 5% rom-com fun. Not to mention, in the writer’s greed to include more shock factors and cliffhangers, the only coherent message she’s been successfully portraying with this show is that God is petty and cruel.
*Sigh* Anyway, I guess I’ll have to wait another 10 years before someone attempts a MGIAG-like story again. Meanwhile, I’m pretty much only tuning in now to see how many more similarities she’s going to add in. My prediction is that next we’re going to get Dan becoming progressively weaker as his D-Day comes as punishment for turning his back on God and that in the final episode he’s going to turn to dust, there will be a time skip of life going on for single Yeon Seo, and then Dan will magically reappear as a human 1 year later as an example of a miracle granted by God. Bonus points if he retains his angel power finger-snaps.
Oh my! I thought this drama left a strange after taste while watching it but I guess it wasn’t only the religious part of its universe that made me hate it but also because it is a bootleg MGIAG! Thank you for this insight.
I’m honestly surprised no one else has made the connection before. MGIAG is the first thing I thought of when Hoo told Dan he would turn to dust at the end of the 100 days if he fell in love with Yeon Seo. Then the Kang Woo backstory reveal came and it was pretty undeniable where the writer got the story from.
I never watched MGIAG, but all the similarities you have mentioned are undeniable. I agree with everything you said about ALML, except your prediction for the ending. I don’t think angels can come back after being turned to dust.
Ahhhh, but that’s the whole point! Even in MGIAG there was pretty much no logical explanation for the return of Mi Ho. It was basically just, “Surprise! There was a solar eclipse so the Heavens felt generous enough to grant my wish and decided to send me back to the world even though I died.” I’m still undecided about any other deaths that could happen at the end of ALML, but I’m pretty confident that Dan is going to turn to dust and then later come back to life in the final 10 minutes of the show.
No one’s mentioned anything about this scene yet, but it was definitely one of my favorites from this week’s episodes. I love how Lee Yeon Seo’s moments of weakness are her strongest.
Yes!!!! She’s a fighter all right, through and through. Her personality, her growth have been so consistent in this series. You don’t ever question the logic in her decisions/actions, it just makes sense.
I also loved how she basically snarled at Kang Woo in the scene previous when she told him about getting a standing ovation a month after her parents’ deaths so he should mind his own business. Yet, then moments later she knocks me over with her tears of vulnerability.
Debating whether I should post my page worth of questions about ALML on the wall, on Soompi, or just keep waiting for the ep 11-12 recap to come out to bring it up for discussion… Hmm…
Wild Theory 1: Yeon Seo’s doppelganger was actually a temptation created by the Devil to seduce Kang Woo away from his angel mission with the cranky artist. Kang Woo fell for it so fake Yeon Seo was “killed” and he was kicked out of heaven. Overcome with grief, he strikes a deal with the Devil that if he makes Fake Yeon Seo’s dream of dancing on stage come true, he can have her back; hence, his obsession with making Yeon Seo a top ballerina.
Wild Theory 2: There are 2 Aunts. One is Yeon Seo’s real Aunt who keeps trying to figure out ways to slander Yeon Seo’s reputation and steal the foundation from her. The second is the Devil taking on the Aunt’s human form and trying to get Yeon Seo killed so that Kang Woo fails his mission to make her a top ballerina. So Kang Woo’s secret informant and the person who ordered Mr. Jo’s brake line to be cut are both actually the devil Aunt.
Wild Theory 3: The butler is God in disguise, but everyone will think she’s just Dan and Yeon Seo’s guardian angel until she reveals herself at the very very end with a cheeky “It’s the 21st century. Who said God had to be male?” lol
One of my fav covers <3 Every time I listen to Yun playing guitar it makes me want to try learning it again. Why, oh why, does the guitar have to be such a painful instrument to learn?? 😭
Thank you ALML for reminding me of my love for Lunafly! I’m ashamed that I didn’t recognize Sam Carter’s voice on the OST sooner. I knew it was familiar but couldn’t quite pinpoint it until now.
I think their company must have gone bankrupt a few years ago and they’re too old to be added into another musical group so they’ve been struggling to figure out what to do next. I’m half in disbelief that Sam is really singing an OST, but there’s no mistaking that voice. I only wish someone would give Yun some opportunities as well…
Yeah, I have no idea how things fell apart so fast but something clearly went wrong with Nega Network. Perhaps corruption? Anyway, Yun just recently finished his military service so hopefully something good will happen for him soon, too. At least he still shares clips of himself busking on social media.
Questions for Beanies watching Angel’s Last Mission Love with Kocowa’s subs! Do you understand why Dan calls Yeon Seo a “noisy gong”? If I said it was a reference to the Corinthian’s quote “You may speak the tongues of man or angels, but, without love, you are but a sounding brass or clanging symbol,” does it make any more sense or is it still unclear?
Secondly, would you rather the translation stick with the biblical reference as a noisy gong or be changed to a more nickname-like translation, even if the meaning isn’t the same?
Are you a translator?
That is so cool.
I’m not watching the show so doesn’t mean much, but I’d stick with noisy gong instead of changing the meaning.
I’m so curious as to what others think.
I’m one of the often grumbled about translators that takes forever and a day to sub things, but, yes, I’m one of the people working on this show lol I figured if I’m working on a platform that allows me to get viewers’ direct opinions then I should go ahead and utilize that. Thanks for chiming in!
I don’t use Kocowa, but I’m OK with the Noisy Gong translation. I’ve pretty much gotten used to it. Although it might be because I’m familiar with the Bible verse so it made perfect sense to me when he used it the first time.
Do you mind telling me what about it made perfect sense to you when you heard it? My impression of that passage was that it was describing someone that claims to be/do something but it is in fact not because they don’t actually have the heart/love necessary behind it. A couple editors and I thought it wasn’t a good fit for Yeon Seo since she doesn’t claim or try to be nice/loving, she’s just always been mean.
Oh, I see. My understanding of the verse was that you can have all the desirable things in the world (in Yeon-seo’s case, status and money) but if you don’t have love, they don’t mean anything. Also, if your words don’t come from a place of love, then you’re just making noise with your mouth. That’s just my two cents though.
I was wondering what that was in reference to. I prefer they do direct translations, but wish they could have footnotes explaining any meanings or references.
It looks like that’s what we’ll be going with for the time being at least. I might try to modify noisy gong later to make it sound more cutesy since he’s turned it into an endearing nickname, but for now my struggle was figuring out an apt footnote that could clearly ties Yeon Seo’s personality to a noisy gong. My other problem is I keep missing all these Bible references. I evidently need to start attending church more often so that I can sub this show correct lol
It is definitely the 1 Corinthians passage. In some English translations, “sounding brass” is written as “noisy gong”, for example in the English Standard Version.
It went completely over my head too lol It doesn’t help that the name he’s using to call her is an instrument I used to play, so every time he said it I was super confused as to why he was randomly calling her a musical instrument. Fortunately, other people on the team are more Bible savvy than me 🙂
Holy moly, I wasn\’t expecting that ending at all! It was like being hit with a one-two punch of twists! Love love love this show so much right now! The wait every week for episodes is gonna kill me!
Wow, the OST is sung by Korea’s beloved Lee Moon Sae? I don’t think he’s ever participated in a drama OST before, so I feel like this show is required to be great now lest it dishonor his reputation.
Angel\’s Last Mission: Love was supposed to be my reward for a month of studying only, no dramas, and I\’m so glad it didn\’t disappoint! I loved the premiere so far and can\’t wait for more!
Fortunately the job I’m seeking does not actually involve drama watching, but you do have a good point. I did a short stint as a baker once because I enjoy baking, but I had to quit doing it since it was turning a fun past-time into a stressful activity that I dreaded.
Was listening to a Vincent Blue playlist and this gem came up. Anyone else think he sounds like a Korean version of Michael Buble? Now I wonder if he has any Christmas covers on his channel..
Quick survey out of curiosity: If a male co-worker initiates a conversation with a female colleague at least half his age by saying \”I like your shirt\”, how would you rate that on the Creepometer? 1 being totally harmless and 10 being avoid at all costs.
It was mostly just the complement. He went on some other tangent about it but I was walking behind him so I didn’t really catch it. The thing is the guy is basically a stranger to me. I know nothing about him but his name and department, only recently met him, and have never asked him anything about himself. In fact, I’ve never even initiated a conversation with him before, yet every time he sees me he either asks a personal question (where are you from?) or makes a personal comment (I like your shirt). In general, I’ve always had the impression that older aged men should not strike up conversation with much younger women unnecessarily. It’s one thing to make small talk about work or the weather (which he doesn’t), but I don’t see why he would feel the need to make a comment about my clothing instead of something more reasonable like, “Busy day today, huh?” That seems red flaggy to me. It doesn’t help that I am above averagely busty.
In my experience here in India, even acknowledging creeps by REJECTING them gives them the wrong idea, and they come on stronger. If what larelle says doesn’t work, or if you’d rather not be blunt because workplace etc, maybe just give curt one word replies to things he asks, don’t make eye contact, basically pretend he doesn’t exist.
Agree with the above ~ I deal with power dynamics at work, so when an older man (or someone similar) says something like that I usually reply “what? Yeah, I like my shirt too, thanks” and either walk away or keep doing what I’m doing. Don’t betray interest if they try to start a conversation, just keep doing what your doing, and hopefully the message gets across.
I’m currently having an inner debate with myself if these types of older men touching my shoulder is enough to report them to my boss…
Depends on many factors. My bosses who are a bit older than I have complimented my shirts without any kind of creep factor. Now if the guy was like staring at her chest saying it or doing a Joey “how you doin’?” kind of attitude then high creep factor.
I would beg to differ that age does matter. Maybe not so much when you’re older, but if it’s an age difference like a high school graduate and a middle-aged guy in his fifties the I think age definitely has a significant impact on the ick/creep factor.
A simple thanks and quick change of topic will do.
If he continues the conversation at a personal level raise creepometer value.
Many times its harmless. I have complimented my male colleagues if I like their shirt (only if I have worked with them long enough and have a comfortable relationship).
Aw, this just made my morning. Although this still has his signature “fight the system” sub-message mixed in, I’ll take the happy dances as a sign of improvement 😀 It might be taking us a decade of baby steps to get there, but I’m holding out hope that one day Happy Bang will become the default Bang! Glad to see him enjoying music again.
I love it when I read song translations that are borderline nonsensical (likely because the translator couldn’t/didn’t bother to try to understand it themselves) and then see comments like, “this is so deep” and people trying to assign great meaning to what is basically an incomprehensible set of lyrics lol
It reminds me of an article I read a while back about a programming experiment that intended to teach computers how to write poetry (one bot poem even won a poetry contest lol). The people behind it set up a website challenging people to guess if certain poems were written by a bot or human and, to their shock, over 50% of the time people incorrectly guessed that the bot poems were real poems. They suspect it was because the computer had learned how to make some epic sounding phrases that people assumed were metaphors for some deep meaning, but actually meant absolutely nothing. Likewise, since there are so many real poems in the world that are difficult to make sense of, this experiment ended up being a good example of showing how fine the line is between absurdity and genius when it comes to art.
That is really interesting – I think I remember reading something about that once. But I have one quibble with the conclusion of this — isn’t interpretation of art, regardless of creator, up to the interpreter? I’ve always held that it doesn’t matter what the author/artist intended, as all viewers will bring their own meaning to any interpretation and understanding of art. Calling bot-created poems that have confusing parts that are up to interpretation is what art is all about in my opinion. Things don’t always have to make sense to all people to be meaningful. However, if people just thought that the bot created poems were “real poems” because of the complex language, without actually examining the poem itself for meaning, then sure, that is a little absurd. But I think it’s also impossible to read poetry without assigning meaning to it, so in a way it isn’t really absurd and the bot-created poetry is no less “real” than the manmade poetry.
Sorry to get all complicated on you – I just studied both English and Philosophy in university and this was an argument I had in one of my classes. I just have this strong belief that when art is released into the world its creator no longer has any real right to tell others how to understand it, which I think is equally applicable to bot-created poetry.Maybe that is absurd, but isn’t that just humanity in a nutshell?
Well i wonder.. they have been trying to use bots in creative field.. they had bot design the trailer of the movie and human team simultaneously.. it turned out to be pretty close..
so, i won’t say creativity is a foray out of reach for bots.. ultimately for us too.. it is a complex mechanism of electro bio signals
A classic and one of a kind song. As much as I love this track (the Gregorian chant gets everyone lol), I’ve gotta say, I think it says a lot about modern day society that a song all about suicide is on nearly every fan/non-fan’s Top 10 favorites list…
Hobakky
August 27, 2019 at 7:22 AM
So is dancing drama bts/promo videos featuring foreign music a trend now? South Korea used that French Boombastic song with MDBC and now China’s got this Indian bop on its Arsenal Military Academy video. I wonder which country will get an obscure dance tune featured next?
Rumi~
August 27, 2019 at 1:47 PM
Chinese dramas have featured Indian tunes before. In Oh My General, the entire dance sequence where the clingy spiteful woman (who loved the FL she thought was a guy) danced in front of a king, Its the song Jashn E – Bahara instrumental from Jodha Akbar.
Another Chinese drama even featured an official Indian id document as one of the documents for London (Queen of SOP I think 🤔)
silentbeluga
August 27, 2019 at 5:42 PM
Please let it be Sweden 🙂
Hobakky
August 9, 2019 at 10:56 AM
Any other Beanies watching Arsenal Military Academy? I\’m kind of lovin\’ it right now. It\’s also surprisingly giving me second female lead syndrome for the first time!
Bebe | Nessa❣️
August 9, 2019 at 11:19 PM
It’s going on my “To Watch” list… When I first read the synopsis, I thought, “Okay… so ‘modern day Mulan/Hana Kimi (switch out the school for military)? 🤣
Hobakky
August 11, 2019 at 7:35 PM
The modern-day Mulan/Hana Kimi was what lured me in, but there’s actually much less emphasis on the gender-bender tropes than I thought there would be. It’s more focused on the conflicts with the Japanese and how every cast member is affected by them. There are some episodes where Xu Kai and Bai Lu are only present for like ~10 minutes in the episode, but I surprisingly really like it regardless of the lack of rom-com fun.
Bebe | Nessa❣️
August 11, 2019 at 8:09 PM
I’m actually not surprised… From what you’re giving me about the synopsis, it’s probably a good thing that it’s so straightforward and less lovey-dovey, because if it were more of the latter, I feel like it might’ve not been able to make it to the airwaves #censorship
Hobakky
July 11, 2019 at 10:26 AM
Welp, ALML finally came to an end pretty much as I predicted it would be, but even so I’m still left just shaking my head in bewilderment at what happened with this show. For those of you still watching that haven’t seen the last episode yet, unless you really feel like sitting through a draggy full hour watching the finale, I suggest you just watch the last 5 minutes and read the recap when it comes out. It will probably be easier to understand the ending if you just skip everything building up to it anyway lol
dopedramacongratz
July 11, 2019 at 5:16 PM
They should’ve ended it at Episode 15 ála Black Swan and called it a day. Episode 15 ending was better than the finalé…
Hobakky
June 27, 2019 at 9:46 AM
I don’t think anyone’s brought this up yet so I’m just going to put it out there. Angel’s Last Mission: Love is basically a crappy re-imagining of My Girlfriend is a Gumiho, which saddens me greatly because MGIAG is my first k-drama love and I was really hoping that this show would finally be the fantasy forbidden love rom-com to replace it. I’m also frankly shocked that with the amount of “inspirations” the writer of ALML took from it she still managed to screw it up so bad. Like, let’s examine all the commonalities:
1. A couple that has to go against the heavens to be together
2. The 100 days to be a couple period which ends in the death of one half of the couple.
3. The pairing of a rich self-centered ass with a fish-out-of-water mythical being
4. Mythical being goes on quest to find a way to become human without telling the person they’re trying to become human for
5. Human finds out about mythical being’s quest and imminent doom through second male lead spilling the beans in a jealous attempt to break up the couple
6. Both couples become entangled when the mythical being saves the human on a rainy night
7. Both couples have a contractual relationship requiring cohabitation
8. Both second male leads love the female lead simply because she’s a doppelganger of their first love
9. Above first love dies as a sacrifice for second male lead who then lives an eternity being unable to die, hating being human, and stalking his first love’s doppelganger
10. Mythical being gives something critical to their identity to the other person (fox bead vs handkerchief)
11. Both shows have a secondary female that tries to fatally injure female lead by making them fall off a high place
12. Even the “I don’t care if I die, I’m going to love you” grab-face-and-kiss scene in ALML was like a watered down version of the infamous Seung-Gi/Min-Ah kiss minus the exchanging of fox bead, stopped traffic, and emotional impact. Unlike ALML though, Dae Woong stuck with his decision to love her, whereas Dan went back to being wishy-washy about whether he wanted to be a couple with Yeon Seo the following week…
I’m sure there’s more, but these were the ones that stuck out to me the most. I don’t mind that the writer is taking so much from MGIAG, but it really irks me that she’s clearly had MGIAG in mind when writing ALML’s plot, yet failed spectacularly at getting right the one aspect MGIAG succeeded the best in: the rom-com entertainment factor.
MGIAG definitely had its flaws and I’m sure there’s many people who, especially if watching it for the first time 10 years later, would be less than impressed by it. But at least the Hong sisters didn’t forget its intended genre and kept ample amounts of cute and laughs throughout the entire run to keep viewers satisfied. Despite being billed as a “heartwarming rom-com about the beauty of love that makes us human,” ALML is pretty much 75% drawn out angst and secondary character drivel no one cares about, 15% scenes of Dan and Yeon Seo on screen at the same time, and only 5% rom-com fun. Not to mention, in the writer’s greed to include more shock factors and cliffhangers, the only coherent message she’s been successfully portraying with this show is that God is petty and cruel.
*Sigh* Anyway, I guess I’ll have to wait another 10 years before someone attempts a MGIAG-like story again. Meanwhile, I’m pretty much only tuning in now to see how many more similarities she’s going to add in. My prediction is that next we’re going to get Dan becoming progressively weaker as his D-Day comes as punishment for turning his back on God and that in the final episode he’s going to turn to dust, there will be a time skip of life going on for single Yeon Seo, and then Dan will magically reappear as a human 1 year later as an example of a miracle granted by God. Bonus points if he retains his angel power finger-snaps.
chasingbears
June 27, 2019 at 10:30 AM
Oh my! I thought this drama left a strange after taste while watching it but I guess it wasn’t only the religious part of its universe that made me hate it but also because it is a bootleg MGIAG! Thank you for this insight.
Hobakky
June 27, 2019 at 11:37 AM
I’m honestly surprised no one else has made the connection before. MGIAG is the first thing I thought of when Hoo told Dan he would turn to dust at the end of the 100 days if he fell in love with Yeon Seo. Then the Kang Woo backstory reveal came and it was pretty undeniable where the writer got the story from.
latebloomer
June 27, 2019 at 11:23 AM
I never watched MGIAG, but all the similarities you have mentioned are undeniable. I agree with everything you said about ALML, except your prediction for the ending. I don’t think angels can come back after being turned to dust.
Hobakky
June 27, 2019 at 11:48 AM
Ahhhh, but that’s the whole point! Even in MGIAG there was pretty much no logical explanation for the return of Mi Ho. It was basically just, “Surprise! There was a solar eclipse so the Heavens felt generous enough to grant my wish and decided to send me back to the world even though I died.” I’m still undecided about any other deaths that could happen at the end of ALML, but I’m pretty confident that Dan is going to turn to dust and then later come back to life in the final 10 minutes of the show.
latebloomer
June 27, 2019 at 2:07 PM
I guess we’ll tune in next Thursday to find out.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent, Dame Judi
June 27, 2019 at 1:26 PM
I hated MGIAG. I don’t hate this. It’s just… mindless predictable drivel.
RenOIshi
June 27, 2019 at 2:44 PM
MGIAG was cute and fun – even though I don’t remember much of the plot so thank you for the reminder. ALM is not cute and fun. It is just crap.
Hobakky
June 14, 2019 at 8:11 AM
No one’s mentioned anything about this scene yet, but it was definitely one of my favorites from this week’s episodes. I love how Lee Yeon Seo’s moments of weakness are her strongest.
13infamyss
June 14, 2019 at 8:38 AM
Yes!!!! She’s a fighter all right, through and through. Her personality, her growth have been so consistent in this series. You don’t ever question the logic in her decisions/actions, it just makes sense.
stpauligurl
June 14, 2019 at 12:46 PM
The look in her eyes as she was telling him off was so dead and deadly.
Yeon Seo has grown so very much!
Hobakky
June 14, 2019 at 7:04 PM
I also loved how she basically snarled at Kang Woo in the scene previous when she told him about getting a standing ovation a month after her parents’ deaths so he should mind his own business. Yet, then moments later she knocks me over with her tears of vulnerability.
Hobakky
June 7, 2019 at 9:08 AM
Debating whether I should post my page worth of questions about ALML on the wall, on Soompi, or just keep waiting for the ep 11-12 recap to come out to bring it up for discussion… Hmm…
🧛♂️ 💔💔 but 👧💔💔💔💔
June 7, 2019 at 9:10 AM
please please post it here…
RaOnAh loves Jay B 💚
June 7, 2019 at 9:13 AM
Why choose? Post them everywhere!
Hobakky
June 5, 2019 at 9:27 AM
Wild theories about Angel\’s Last Mission: Love in the comments.
Hobakky
June 5, 2019 at 9:28 AM
Wild Theory 1: Yeon Seo’s doppelganger was actually a temptation created by the Devil to seduce Kang Woo away from his angel mission with the cranky artist. Kang Woo fell for it so fake Yeon Seo was “killed” and he was kicked out of heaven. Overcome with grief, he strikes a deal with the Devil that if he makes Fake Yeon Seo’s dream of dancing on stage come true, he can have her back; hence, his obsession with making Yeon Seo a top ballerina.
Wild Theory 2: There are 2 Aunts. One is Yeon Seo’s real Aunt who keeps trying to figure out ways to slander Yeon Seo’s reputation and steal the foundation from her. The second is the Devil taking on the Aunt’s human form and trying to get Yeon Seo killed so that Kang Woo fails his mission to make her a top ballerina. So Kang Woo’s secret informant and the person who ordered Mr. Jo’s brake line to be cut are both actually the devil Aunt.
Wild Theory 3: The butler is God in disguise, but everyone will think she’s just Dan and Yeon Seo’s guardian angel until she reveals herself at the very very end with a cheeky “It’s the 21st century. Who said God had to be male?” lol
TAS-Mania
June 5, 2019 at 9:37 AM
Better than what the show’s writer will probably come up with…
Hobakky
June 4, 2019 at 2:54 PM
Just one more for nostalgia’s sake. It’s such a shame that they couldn’t add their covers to Spotify.
Hobakky
June 4, 2019 at 2:45 PM
One of my fav covers <3 Every time I listen to Yun playing guitar it makes me want to try learning it again. Why, oh why, does the guitar have to be such a painful instrument to learn?? 😭
Hobakky
June 4, 2019 at 2:08 PM
Thank you ALML for reminding me of my love for Lunafly! I’m ashamed that I didn’t recognize Sam Carter’s voice on the OST sooner. I knew it was familiar but couldn’t quite pinpoint it until now.
mango
June 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM
Is Lunafly still active? It’s been years since I last heard of them.
Hobakky
June 4, 2019 at 5:43 PM
I think their company must have gone bankrupt a few years ago and they’re too old to be added into another musical group so they’ve been struggling to figure out what to do next. I’m half in disbelief that Sam is really singing an OST, but there’s no mistaking that voice. I only wish someone would give Yun some opportunities as well…
mango
June 4, 2019 at 9:10 PM
That’s really sad for them :/
Hobakky
June 5, 2019 at 5:23 AM
Yeah, I have no idea how things fell apart so fast but something clearly went wrong with Nega Network. Perhaps corruption? Anyway, Yun just recently finished his military service so hopefully something good will happen for him soon, too. At least he still shares clips of himself busking on social media.
mango
June 5, 2019 at 5:44 AM
I wish they can somehow pursue a musical career. It really makes me think how unpredictable life can be.
Hobakky
June 1, 2019 at 12:47 PM
Questions for Beanies watching Angel’s Last Mission Love with Kocowa’s subs! Do you understand why Dan calls Yeon Seo a “noisy gong”? If I said it was a reference to the Corinthian’s quote “You may speak the tongues of man or angels, but, without love, you are but a sounding brass or clanging symbol,” does it make any more sense or is it still unclear?
Secondly, would you rather the translation stick with the biblical reference as a noisy gong or be changed to a more nickname-like translation, even if the meaning isn’t the same?
Beverly
June 1, 2019 at 1:09 PM
Are you a translator?
That is so cool.
I’m not watching the show so doesn’t mean much, but I’d stick with noisy gong instead of changing the meaning.
I’m so curious as to what others think.
Hobakky
June 2, 2019 at 7:25 PM
I’m one of the often grumbled about translators that takes forever and a day to sub things, but, yes, I’m one of the people working on this show lol I figured if I’m working on a platform that allows me to get viewers’ direct opinions then I should go ahead and utilize that. Thanks for chiming in!
moana
June 1, 2019 at 1:21 PM
I don’t use Kocowa, but I’m OK with the Noisy Gong translation. I’ve pretty much gotten used to it. Although it might be because I’m familiar with the Bible verse so it made perfect sense to me when he used it the first time.
Hobakky
June 1, 2019 at 7:02 PM
Do you mind telling me what about it made perfect sense to you when you heard it? My impression of that passage was that it was describing someone that claims to be/do something but it is in fact not because they don’t actually have the heart/love necessary behind it. A couple editors and I thought it wasn’t a good fit for Yeon Seo since she doesn’t claim or try to be nice/loving, she’s just always been mean.
moana
June 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM
Oh, I see. My understanding of the verse was that you can have all the desirable things in the world (in Yeon-seo’s case, status and money) but if you don’t have love, they don’t mean anything. Also, if your words don’t come from a place of love, then you’re just making noise with your mouth. That’s just my two cents though.
Hobakky
June 2, 2019 at 7:10 PM
Thank you for that explanation! I think I’m going to note noisy gong as being unpleasant and meaningless then and work with it from there.
astromantic
June 1, 2019 at 1:41 PM
I think it’s a cool reference!
UmbrellaMan
June 1, 2019 at 1:51 PM
I was wondering what that was in reference to. I prefer they do direct translations, but wish they could have footnotes explaining any meanings or references.
Hobakky
June 2, 2019 at 7:29 PM
It looks like that’s what we’ll be going with for the time being at least. I might try to modify noisy gong later to make it sound more cutesy since he’s turned it into an endearing nickname, but for now my struggle was figuring out an apt footnote that could clearly ties Yeon Seo’s personality to a noisy gong. My other problem is I keep missing all these Bible references. I evidently need to start attending church more often so that I can sub this show correct lol
RaOnAh loves Jay B 💚
June 1, 2019 at 3:30 PM
I assumed it was a reference to 1st Corinthians. I would stick with it.
blnmom
June 1, 2019 at 4:00 PM
It is definitely the 1 Corinthians passage. In some English translations, “sounding brass” is written as “noisy gong”, for example in the English Standard Version.
Hobakky
June 2, 2019 at 7:29 PM
Ah, indeed it is. Thanks for pointing that out for me!
Cori
June 1, 2019 at 5:16 PM
Oh cool, you’re a translator? Thank you, that’s so nice to reach out like this. I’d stay with noisy gong.
ash27
June 1, 2019 at 5:53 PM
I also like “noisy gong,” since it’s a direct reference.
korfan
June 2, 2019 at 1:04 AM
So it’s not just me. I was also wondering what this reference was about.
Hobakky
June 2, 2019 at 7:31 PM
It went completely over my head too lol It doesn’t help that the name he’s using to call her is an instrument I used to play, so every time he said it I was super confused as to why he was randomly calling her a musical instrument. Fortunately, other people on the team are more Bible savvy than me 🙂
korfan
June 3, 2019 at 4:10 AM
@hobakky I just read your post up above that you’re one of the translators for this show. Just want to say “Thank You” for all your work! 🙂
Hobakky
May 30, 2019 at 9:15 AM
Holy moly, I wasn\’t expecting that ending at all! It was like being hit with a one-two punch of twists! Love love love this show so much right now! The wait every week for episodes is gonna kill me!
Hobakky
May 24, 2019 at 6:44 PM
Wow, the OST is sung by Korea’s beloved Lee Moon Sae? I don’t think he’s ever participated in a drama OST before, so I feel like this show is required to be great now lest it dishonor his reputation.
Hobakky
May 22, 2019 at 8:27 PM
Angel\’s Last Mission: Love was supposed to be my reward for a month of studying only, no dramas, and I\’m so glad it didn\’t disappoint! I loved the premiere so far and can\’t wait for more!
Hobakky
May 21, 2019 at 7:31 PM
Alright Beanies, tomorrow will answer the question: Can your kdrama watching hobby land you a job? Fingers crossed it’s a good answer!
sph_7
May 21, 2019 at 7:38 PM
Once it becomes your job, you may hate it
mano
May 21, 2019 at 8:18 PM
This.
Hobakky
May 22, 2019 at 3:34 PM
Fortunately the job I’m seeking does not actually involve drama watching, but you do have a good point. I did a short stint as a baker once because I enjoy baking, but I had to quit doing it since it was turning a fun past-time into a stressful activity that I dreaded.
Ally
May 21, 2019 at 8:02 PM
Good luck!!!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
May 22, 2019 at 12:39 AM
Good luck!
korfan
May 22, 2019 at 12:43 AM
Good luck!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
May 22, 2019 at 8:11 AM
good luck!! (and keep us posted!)
Hobakky
May 18, 2019 at 5:25 PM
Was listening to a Vincent Blue playlist and this gem came up. Anyone else think he sounds like a Korean version of Michael Buble? Now I wonder if he has any Christmas covers on his channel..
chasingbears
May 19, 2019 at 3:25 AM
I’m in love with Vincent Blue!!! He’s voice does remind me a bit of Michael Buble…
Hobakky
April 25, 2019 at 3:59 PM
Quick survey out of curiosity: If a male co-worker initiates a conversation with a female colleague at least half his age by saying \”I like your shirt\”, how would you rate that on the Creepometer? 1 being totally harmless and 10 being avoid at all costs.
larelle79
April 25, 2019 at 4:02 PM
What happened after that?
Was it just the complement?
Hobakky
April 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM
It was mostly just the complement. He went on some other tangent about it but I was walking behind him so I didn’t really catch it. The thing is the guy is basically a stranger to me. I know nothing about him but his name and department, only recently met him, and have never asked him anything about himself. In fact, I’ve never even initiated a conversation with him before, yet every time he sees me he either asks a personal question (where are you from?) or makes a personal comment (I like your shirt). In general, I’ve always had the impression that older aged men should not strike up conversation with much younger women unnecessarily. It’s one thing to make small talk about work or the weather (which he doesn’t), but I don’t see why he would feel the need to make a comment about my clothing instead of something more reasonable like, “Busy day today, huh?” That seems red flaggy to me. It doesn’t help that I am above averagely busty.
larelle79
April 25, 2019 at 5:46 PM
Okay. Since this is not a one and done thing, yeah, totally understand you being on guard.
The questions don’t cross any lines per companies but you are uncomfortable when he speaks to you.
If this continues, you damn right to tell him to knock it off.
greenfields
April 25, 2019 at 6:10 PM
Agreed with larelle.
In my experience here in India, even acknowledging creeps by REJECTING them gives them the wrong idea, and they come on stronger. If what larelle says doesn’t work, or if you’d rather not be blunt because workplace etc, maybe just give curt one word replies to things he asks, don’t make eye contact, basically pretend he doesn’t exist.
Cocoa, The Fake Poet of February
April 26, 2019 at 1:13 PM
Agree with the above ~ I deal with power dynamics at work, so when an older man (or someone similar) says something like that I usually reply “what? Yeah, I like my shirt too, thanks” and either walk away or keep doing what I’m doing. Don’t betray interest if they try to start a conversation, just keep doing what your doing, and hopefully the message gets across.
I’m currently having an inner debate with myself if these types of older men touching my shoulder is enough to report them to my boss…
larelle79
April 26, 2019 at 1:18 PM
Absolutely report it. It is always the microaggressions that lead to the worst.
Because the first thing that is always said is, ‘Well, did you talk to them about it first?’.
No asshole in HR, if I was comfortable doing that, I would not come to you.
greenfields
April 26, 2019 at 5:17 PM
Ugh. Why are men like this.
Jig
April 25, 2019 at 4:15 PM
Depends on many factors. My bosses who are a bit older than I have complimented my shirts without any kind of creep factor. Now if the guy was like staring at her chest saying it or doing a Joey “how you doin’?” kind of attitude then high creep factor.
egads aka Dame Maggie
April 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM
Yep, tone, circumstances, and eye placement are major factors in determining the creeper scale.
Warning: Absolutely no physical contact should be made during this exchange.
Jig
April 25, 2019 at 4:39 PM
Oh also age is the least of these factors. A young guy can sound as innocent or as creepy depending on all the above factors.
Hobakky
April 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM
I would beg to differ that age does matter. Maybe not so much when you’re older, but if it’s an age difference like a high school graduate and a middle-aged guy in his fifties the I think age definitely has a significant impact on the ick/creep factor.
Blue (@mayhemf)
April 25, 2019 at 4:19 PM
A simple thanks and quick change of topic will do.
If he continues the conversation at a personal level raise creepometer value.
Many times its harmless. I have complimented my male colleagues if I like their shirt (only if I have worked with them long enough and have a comfortable relationship).
Hobakky
April 22, 2019 at 8:29 AM
Aw, this just made my morning. Although this still has his signature “fight the system” sub-message mixed in, I’ll take the happy dances as a sign of improvement 😀 It might be taking us a decade of baby steps to get there, but I’m holding out hope that one day Happy Bang will become the default Bang! Glad to see him enjoying music again.
Hobakky
April 22, 2019 at 6:10 AM
I love it when I read song translations that are borderline nonsensical (likely because the translator couldn’t/didn’t bother to try to understand it themselves) and then see comments like, “this is so deep” and people trying to assign great meaning to what is basically an incomprehensible set of lyrics lol
It reminds me of an article I read a while back about a programming experiment that intended to teach computers how to write poetry (one bot poem even won a poetry contest lol). The people behind it set up a website challenging people to guess if certain poems were written by a bot or human and, to their shock, over 50% of the time people incorrectly guessed that the bot poems were real poems. They suspect it was because the computer had learned how to make some epic sounding phrases that people assumed were metaphors for some deep meaning, but actually meant absolutely nothing. Likewise, since there are so many real poems in the world that are difficult to make sense of, this experiment ended up being a good example of showing how fine the line is between absurdity and genius when it comes to art.
SnarkyJellyfish
April 22, 2019 at 8:13 AM
That is really interesting – I think I remember reading something about that once. But I have one quibble with the conclusion of this — isn’t interpretation of art, regardless of creator, up to the interpreter? I’ve always held that it doesn’t matter what the author/artist intended, as all viewers will bring their own meaning to any interpretation and understanding of art. Calling bot-created poems that have confusing parts that are up to interpretation is what art is all about in my opinion. Things don’t always have to make sense to all people to be meaningful. However, if people just thought that the bot created poems were “real poems” because of the complex language, without actually examining the poem itself for meaning, then sure, that is a little absurd. But I think it’s also impossible to read poetry without assigning meaning to it, so in a way it isn’t really absurd and the bot-created poetry is no less “real” than the manmade poetry.
Sorry to get all complicated on you – I just studied both English and Philosophy in university and this was an argument I had in one of my classes. I just have this strong belief that when art is released into the world its creator no longer has any real right to tell others how to understand it, which I think is equally applicable to bot-created poetry.Maybe that is absurd, but isn’t that just humanity in a nutshell?
alasecond
April 22, 2019 at 8:39 AM
Well i wonder.. they have been trying to use bots in creative field.. they had bot design the trailer of the movie and human team simultaneously.. it turned out to be pretty close..
so, i won’t say creativity is a foray out of reach for bots.. ultimately for us too.. it is a complex mechanism of electro bio signals
Hobakky
April 19, 2019 at 12:51 PM
A classic and one of a kind song. As much as I love this track (the Gregorian chant gets everyone lol), I’ve gotta say, I think it says a lot about modern day society that a song all about suicide is on nearly every fan/non-fan’s Top 10 favorites list…
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
April 21, 2019 at 9:12 PM
Yes.