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Kim Taeri and Kim Min Jung owned their roles in Mr. Sunshine. Truly gut wrenching to watch them. I love this show.

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Almost done watching Mr. Sunshine and I have no idea how this will end but I know some characters may not make it. 🥲

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I’m absolutely in love with 2521. I love it. I love Hee Do. Her energy, resilience, innocence, and her adorable bangs are everything! I’m so enamored by this character guys…

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It’s still 2020 on my side of the world so I can’t end this year without a shoutout to my favorite performance of the year, Shin Hyun Been’s Gu Hae Won in Reflection of You. To say she was phenomenal is an understatement. Her performance was simply exquisite. Matter of fact, I can’t recall the last time I enjoyed an actor’s performance this much. Apologies in advance for the long post.

Funny story by the way. I watched her earlier this year in Hospital Playlist when I binged both seasons and was really turned away by her character. I don’t know if it was Gyeoul as a character or just Hyun Been’s portrayal of her. Would I have liked Gyeoul portrayed by another actress? I don’t know! Imagine my surprise when I came across her wiki page and realized she was Yuri in Confession. My Yuri – character which I loved when I watched it. I vividly remember being disappointed when I googled Shin Hyun Been back then and realized she was a relatively new actress. Lo and behold I was watching her in Hospital Playlist without realizing she was that rookie actress I loved in 2019. I intended on watching Reflection of You ever since I found out it would be penned by JBL’s writer but I postponed my watch as I wasn’t thrilled about her being part of the cast. Well, jokes on me beanies. Yup, I laugh at myself. It’s like Hyun Been kimchi slapped me with her performance.

I watched Reflection in seven days and it would have been five had I not had to wait for the final episodes to air. It really was a great production with an incredible cast of talented actors, gorgeous cinematography and a haunting soundtrack (I refuse to talk about the story itself because it would be a very long post that I’m not committed to write lol). In any event, the biggest factor that made this an adrenaline binge watch was Hyun Been.

I can’t properly describe how much and in what ways she impressed me. But she became Hae Won and portrayed her with such nuance and raw emotions. She embraced her character and it reflected on her acting. Her mannerisms, her tone of voice, and her eyes. Her eyes are so expressive! You could feel Hae Won’s anger, resentment, sadness, and self-pity. Oh, and how she would tease Hee Joo and her husband with such disdain, contempt, and malicious mischievousness. Oh, how I enjoyed this! Yes, Hae Won was a terrible, broken character but Hyun Been made it such fun television! She made Hae Won pitiful and in her quiet moments you would empathize with her even if she wasn’t a character you wanted to root for. It’s not often we have such empowered women in kdramas. In most revenge stories, the male lead is the competent mastermind behind the revenge plot so it was refreshing to see an actress take that role. And even though she starred alongside a talented veteran, Go Hyun Jung, I never felt she fell flat against Hyun Jung’s talent.

The fact that she simultaneously filmed this with Hospital Playlist is impressive too. She played two polar opposite characters and one interpretation never escaped into the other.

By the way, I’m ecstatic for her drama with Song Joong Ki. He was my first rediscovery of this year with Vincenzo, Hyun Been was the second and now I’ll have both of them on my screen in May 2022! I’m counting down the weeks! I really hope this is a good script and that her character isn’t overshadowed by Joong Ki’s. Please be good, please be good…

This post is honestly longer than I intended (:D) but I can’t not applaud Hyun Been’s talent. I’m excited to see what projects she’ll take in the future. She’s such a promising actress and you can tell how passionate she is about her career by the way she expresses herself. And she has the cutest sismance with Kim Go Eun and Han Hyo Joo. Long story short, she has a fan out of me.

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    2020? Waow your part of the world is very late 😅

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    She was brilliant. Everything you said. Unrecognisable from her HP role.

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    I did not recall watching her in prior shows, so until I saw her in Reflection of You she was new to me and yes, she was absolutely fantastic in this drama.

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    I really liked her Gyeoul, but she completely blew me away in Reflection of You.

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The One & Only is off to a good start! I found some transitions between scenes a bit off but overall I enjoyed the premiere. I’m looking forward to the three women bonding and becoming friends.

Also, I’ve seen so many comments saying it reminds them of JBL too. XD

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Our Beloved Summer is such a delight to watch! 💛

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The more teasers that are released the more excited I am for this. One more week to go!!

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I got ahold of the book Reflection of You is based off of and it\’s a very interesting, insightful read so far.

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Per Spotify, (G)-idle\’s HWAA was my song of the year. I admit I listened to that song an unhealthy amount of times. 2PM is my top artist of the year and apparently I\’m obsessed with Merry-Go-Round. 🙃

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I have come to the conclusion that the character I absolutely hate in Reflection of You is Woo Jae. I despise him. How has no one slapped him yet? Oh well I guess he did get run over… Anyways I\’m officially caught up for the finale!

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    His character has def taken a turn for the worse in the last couple of episodes, but he seems no better or worse than any of the others. His comments to her husband in the pub were pretty horrible. I’m wondering if he will remember. She told him they had reached the limit with each other, but he’s still caught up in his possessive passion. On top of that, they’ve all used and abused him. I’m afraid that he may end up as collateral damage. The vibes are that someone is going to die.

    It was interesting too seeing Hee-joo talk to her sister-in-law. It was the one moment when she came across as a warm and caring person. You don’t even see her like that with her children, although her background explains some of that.

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      Yeah they’re all rather sick characters (that’s an understatement really) but I have to agree with @eazal that I find Woo Jae to be the worst of all. I know it takes two to tango but he started all of this and the way he spoke of HJ, the woman he supposedly “loves,” is disgusting and condescending. How did he manage to make these two women fall in love with him?

      But this drama is all about pointing fingers and its an endless cycle of the things all four of them have done to each other. I’m doing this because you did this to me…and then it’s just a domino effect. Pity none of them was able to walk away from this before they really went off the rails. If anything I wish Hae Won could have stopped before she was too far gone. I feel that she had the key to stop this chaos. Ahhh I just have so many thoughts on this show!! I hate them but love their characterization, if that makes any sense.

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        He wasn’t straight with her, but I looks like Hae won was never going to take no for an answer. I hope there is some more unravelling to come.

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    Every single character in this drama is trash, but Woo Jae is ever more trash that the rest of them.

    I hated that he told HaeWon he would find out what he had done wrong in the past and would ask for forgiveness and when he remembers he goes back to the selfish trash he was and just ignores HaeWon like he was always done.

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      The least he could have done was apologize but it’s like that notion didn’t even cross his mind. Not even a half hearted apology. I hate that he used her and lead her on. If you’re a sick jerk okay so be it! Have your affair with HJ but I don’t understand why he didn’t break up with HW in the past. I don’t get it! Is it truly him just being selfish? Did he want a backup? Ugh this show.

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        @yongsital I’ve also been wondering why Woo-jae just didn’t break things off definitively with Hae-won in the past. From the flashbacks it certainly looks like he never really even liked her, let alone love her, so no idea why he didn’t end things. I suppose there’s the chance that once he got back from Ireland he was going to break up with Hae-won, except he never made it back. But who knows. Now all of them are in this situation they can’t seem to get out of and we all know things aren’t going to end well.

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          @korfan The thing with the flashbacks is that we got very little insight into his relationship with HW prior to HJ. I wonder if he really was so distant with her. He seemed reluctant about their marriage certificate but HJ was already in the picture then. Who knows. I really hope they tell us why he didn’t break up with her or delayed it so much.

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          I met a couple of WooJae in my life (not me being HaeWon, though). I tell you this: A person gets used to having someone by his/her side that adores them and it is ok as long as they don’t find “something else”. The minute they do, they just don’t care about that person. I find this part of his character specially accurate. That’s how trash people act.

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      I am starting to wonder if Haewon’s perspective is 100% accurate. I don’t understand how the Woo Jae we are witnessing now could have made Haewon fall so deeply for him in the past. Why was her feelings for Woo Jae so deep? Endless to the point that the girl chose to voluntarily be sucked into a black hole of misery. I need some answers. Haewon keeps reminding me of Kazuo Ishiguru’s novel…”A Pale View of the Hill”. Whose perspective has more truth in it. Is it possible that Woo Jae was Haewon’s obsession that spiraled out of control because of Hui Ju’s betrayal just like Hui Ju is Woo Jae’s obsession?

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        Hw’s perspective is just her pov. She feels betrayed and that’s what triggers her whole revenge. Is she right? Didn’t she read the signs of how little he cared about her? It’s not relevant because she never got an answer or explanation from him. I’m not defending her, but I understand why she is like this: she depended on other person to be happy (wrong concept to begin with) and that person just disappeared and she didn’t even know if he was dead or alive. Can you imagine doing anything this cruel to anyone?

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          Actually I do know cases of disappearance personally and I know its devastating to live with not knowing. The person I know, her fiance never showed up on her wedding day and she never got answers. She has thankfully moved on but till this day, nobody knows why or what happened. But my point was about memories and perspective and their reliability. This show isn’t about people who are either dark or either all sunshine. They are grey and so, it is interesting that beyond what she believes to be true we never get anything more fleshed out.

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        That novel seems interesting. Might have to read it one day. I really wish we could get the drama writer’s commentary on the characters; it’d give us a lot of insight. Also, looking forward to the post finale interviews to know how the actors read the characters. Personally, I don’t think HW was obsessed, just all these external conflicts/variables pushed her to the limit and she wasnt able to let them go.

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    I dropped at ep13 cause gdi, I hate everyone but what did he do after ep13? spoil me pls 😂😂

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      Just imagine possessive, obsessed, and jerk Woo Jae ×100. 🙃 He’s practically harassing and stalking HJ 24/7 wanting her to rekindle their affair. Nasty to HW and jabs at HS any chance he gets regarding the accident. Oh he also covered up HJ’s involvement in the abusive BIL’s accident but I’m sure it’s just to have leverage over her. They’re all grasping at straws at this point tbh.

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    Spoilers ahead: Just finished ep 15 and I have to offload this:
    Hee-joo (Hui ju) is a liar. She lies about her staged “rape” without any real reason; she lies to her husband about not knowing Li-sa’s reasons for self-harm, which means she cares more for herself than her daughter.
    Hae-won is implacable in her self-pity and vengeful-ness; she had a chance to let it go, but instead stages a “non-suicide”. She should not be let anywhere near children. She’s venomous.
    Seo Woo-jae is quintessentially reckless.
    Makjang, makjang, makjang

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      I watched it too and it’s overflowing into makjang lol. What grated my nerves the most was HJ’s approach to Lisa regarding her self-harm. Yelling and forcing her into that conversation was exasperating and not the way to approach this. She’s always playing the “I’m such a bad mom” card and guess what you ARE! She’s horrible and still manipulates and lies amongst everything that is happening at the expense of her children. She says HW is lost in playing the victim and self pity card but she is too.
      And oh I didn’t read HW’s non-suicide as staged? Am I too naive? Huh..what’d she gain from that? Because WJ obviously didn’t care and HJ didn’t seem to know about it. I don’t know what she plans on doing moving forward either. Is she really planning on being JY’s guardian? The court scene was uncomfortable seeing how JY was holding back her tears.

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        Maybe it wasn’t staged? I’m turning into Inspector Koo. The court scene was awful. She had no right to butt in and she truly had set him up. I actually thought she’d turned a corner after the barman told her about the older man she was envying, but when I saw her spitting venom at WJ, and also when HJ pleaded with her to stop WJ, I could see that she hadn’t. The word that comes to my mind when I see her in action is that she is implacable. She cannot let go. But HJ is just as bad, in fact she seemed worse in this episode. As you say above re manipulates and lies. She is really sly. It’s clearly all going to hell in ep 16. I wonder who killed? Was it Li-sa?

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          I just didn’t read HW as staging it. I might have to rewatch to see. Haewon has a lot of nice moments as in her conversations with the people who care about her trying to get her to stop. Every time I hope she’ll retreat and although I do think she’s taken a back seat in these last few episodes she still jabs at people. I must admit it was odd for HJ to ask her to stop WJ because HW had the ability to do so. Clearly no one can get through to WJ, much less HW.
          I hope it’s not Lisa. The grown ups have ruined her life enough for her to carry that burden.

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This teaser for Only One Person is giving me Just Between Lovers vibes. Ahh so excited for these two!

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I like The Red Sleeve, especially Junho and Lee Deok Hwa but I\’m struggling a bit to get used to the pace of events. Yi San is very swoony in his confession but I can\’t help but feel it\’s a bit sudden. Am I the only one who feels this? I know this drama will cover a greater sequence of events so I understand the reason behind the pace but I wish I could \”believe\” this attachment a bit more. I\’m sad beanies!

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    I absolutely see where you are coming from. For me, it also required a measure of suspension of disbelief initially as I think the FL is not as strong or emotionally emotive an actor as Junho even though she is largely charming, delightful and mischievous. The Library scenes had a nice zingy badinage between them and after 4 episodes, I kind of had to surmise rather than emotionally believe that they were falling for each other. But, I think after that Bravura performance in Ep 5 and that achingly beautiful (h/t to Lonestar Girl) duet of confession via poetry, I feel much more invested in their story. What annoyed me though was the spectre of women’s actual and perceived inferiority which was present in Yisan’s irritating barb about “do you even know what it means”? The gendered lens always reminds me of the reality of women’s subjugation wherever a story depicts it.

    Also, I have just started JBL and it is sad from the get go but it has already hooked me. Infeel dor the characters and was infuriated when Junho’s character was insulted, berated and struck. I was roapable. So glad he stood up for himself and didn’t accept that.

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      Yeah I wrote that halfway into episode five and I admit the remaining events made up for it and built on their relationship. But I still think the book confession was a bit sudden! Lol 😅 Regarding Yisan’s condescending expressions, of course I’m not surprised because not only was it a different time period but he is royalty so you know he’s going to have those moments. I’m just waiting for her to turn him down haha that’ll take him down a notch.

      Ooooh yay to JBL! There is no male lead like Kang Doo. He’s broken down but knows what he wants and believes and is a gentleman! Junho blew me away with his acting here. You can feel his pain. I do hope you keep enjoying it. It’s the perfect show for this season.

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I have binge watched seven episodes of Reflection of You in the past three days and Shin Hyun Bin is so good. That\’s an understatement really. I remember liking her in Confession but her character in HP was so meh I questioned my fondness of her. She\’s phenomenal though and why am I so invested in this story?

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    It’s the first drama I go to, which I take as an indication of something. She’s doing a great job of being remorselessly vengeful without being an OTT villian because she’s so vulnerable too. Most of all, it’s her self pity that she conveys so well. I’m in it for a potential twist. I’m also intrigued at the malevolence between the women. You could only feel that badly about someone you’re really close to. I suppose it’s a guilty pleasure, although I don’t feel too guilty.

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      I actually started watching episode 5 of The Red Sleeve but switched back to Reflection because I’m so hooked! I find it interesting that we get so many flashbacks but it’s still not clear what happened. I’m always looking forward to any scenes with the two women because the moments and conversations are so charged. Hae Won is sarcastic and calculating and you can she how she relishes in putting HJ on edge. But that vulnerability and self-pity balances it all out. When I sit back and think about the drama’s premise is when I wonder why I enjoy it so much. But it has a very talented cast and captivating style of storytelling. So yeah, no shame in this game lol.

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    It is an “addiction”. You will understand it as the drama progresses 😉

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    She’s really good in it. I started watching for GHJ who is great too, but SHB just steals my attention.

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    I can’t believe you binge watched this drama. It’s so exhausting to me! You are a hero. And yes SHB is amazing in this drama.

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Today I had a patient go on a rant because our first available appointment wasn\’t until next Tuesday. She wasn\’t in any pain; simply wanted it for her convenience.
\”I\’m an established patient..every office is just throwing me around. My husband is a surgeon too, just like your doctor…Did you know that?..wait DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?! At which point I internally rolled my eyes and laughed because yes, unfortunately I know who you are and how does that entitle you to have priority over our patients that are in pain? 🙄

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    Hahaha, right out of a drama, “do you know who I am?” 🤦🏼‍♀️
    Oh, people.

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    People are something else. I’m so sorry you had to deal with this karen.

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    Entitlement is so revealing, yuck.

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    ugh i hate these kinds of patients istg

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    Have her come to my clinic—my next available appointment is in 3 months. Only if your doctor calls me or I’m best with you, or I actually think you’ll die before then, will you get an earlier appointment. I’ll send her back and she’ll be happy it’s Tuesday. 😂

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I never knew how much I needed Junho aiming an arrow in a hanbok until now. How not to have this on my wall?

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    IKR!

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      I need to find a 1080p video of this scene to screenshot all the angles. You know for research purposes…

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    I firmly believe my (little) crush on Junho is largely because of his gorgeous blue hanbok, the electric blue head gear, (my fantasy) that he actually has long hair and that he is good with a bow and arrow!

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The Red Sleeve premiere was great. Junho & LSY do their back and forth banter so well. Episode 2 was fun!

JUNHO! 😭😍

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Dalli & Gamjatang at it again deviating from some of my biggest pet peeves regarding tropes. I half dreaded this episode but was pleasantly surprised.

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    Yay! Now I wait for subs…

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    I liked ep13 a lot. As you said, it has turned some usual tropes in a whole new direction. I don’t think I have enough of the word “refreshing” to give to the show.

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      Yess! And every time I prepare myself for disaster it puts that refreshing spin to it. It keeps rising my expectations more and more for each episode and it delivers! Please don’t disappoint us, Show!

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        I begin to like the gang of nosy gallery staff in this ep. How refreshing!

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          Secretary Yeo (I think that’s her name) was my favorite this episode. I laughed so much when she talked to him in banmal.

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I happened across this while I ate dinner and I’m not sure if it’s normal for me to enjoy this as much as I did. The basketball….🤣

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    Oh, yes, you can enjoy it exactly as much as you did.
    You can even rewatch a hundred times.
    Wooyoung got his revenge on Junho in this year’s fan meeting, hahahhaah.

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      Gahh I haven’t had time to watch that! Now I’m intrigued and suddenly it goes to #1 on my priority watch list.

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Dalli and Gamjatang is such a fun and breezy watch!

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For me, when things like this break out I do feel disappointed. Not because I ever trusted this \”image\” was 100% true. I\’m disappointed because I expect for people, including celebrities, to act as decent human beings at the very least. I read the full translation of the post and am so disgusted both by him and the victim blaming on his ex. The fact that de denied nothing! Bye. so i need a new profile picture asap!!!

On the bright side, tomorrow is Dalli Day!

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    I’m always left wondering “how” “why.” Where is basic decency??? And on top of that they think they can actually get away with it all? That people will never find out? It’s all unbelievable

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      Arrogance at its best.

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      I always wonder if they were always shitty people or if fame makes them think they are hot shit and can do whatever they want. They do have fans treating them like gods and managers and staff catering to their every need and agencies covering things up for them.

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          I don’t know. It’s the chicken egg dilemma, who knows what came first? I read the full post on dailynvr. I thought it was interesting she said some of the seniors he looked up to didn’t like him. In his statement he didn’t mention badmouthing his co-stars but he didn’t deny it either so it just gets worse the more you think about it.

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            Allegedly I suspect Jo Jung Suk as the senior. KSH would say he looked up to him b/c of Grease (musical JJS was in). Then on Two Cops, he said JJS didn’t give him much advice. Judging by the info released now, and given that JJS is known to have a good reputation, seems like there might have been a reason why JJS didn’t take to this guy. As for the other stuff mentioned, b/c leaking/uploading pics regarding that would lead to serious lawsuits esp. in Korea.

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            @soulsearch12 Ah yes JJS makes sense and matches the narrative. Now I’m also wondering if there’s a reason why KSH never spoke of Catch the Ghost.

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            CTG was good! He did say him and MGY had meals together. People are now speculating she was the FL he called ugly, for trying to ‘flirt’ with him. Rme. Anyways, as for CTG, I always suspected it was b/c the ratings got slashed in half by the second half of this show? And given that he does like to be center of attention, that by the end of the show, he didn’t appear as much. I also suspected Namgoong Min as well, because he would annoy NGM with many questions. Of course, NGM wouldn’t show his annoyances, but could see why that would be irksome lol esp. during a long long shooting day.

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          Yes, I read it. Agree the badmouthing didn’t seem new and she did say he didn’t have many friends, really just the one who went with her to get the abortion. He might have been a case of someone who wasn’t the nicest person and fame excaberbated his bad qualities.

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            KSH said that he barely kept in touch with people. And he only had 3 other friends he hanged out who for now said they enjoyed hanging out w/ him. Seriously, dude exposed himself in prior interviews. He said one of his friends called him pretentious b/c his so called image of being nice seemed fake. Turns out his friend was right. Seemed like he hanged out w/ yes men, people who flattered him, & he bought into it.

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    Asking for basic human decency is too much these days, apparently. Seriously, why do all of them turn out to be trash? I’m so tired.

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      Right? It’s frustrating. This makes two of my faves trash and every time I just become more cautious of liking any celebrity. *sigh*

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        The best way to go is to like them from a far, keep some distance so when news like this comes out, its easier to move on. It’s hard esp. b/c these stars create para-social relationships that cater to us fans. For me, its particularly telling when their agencies force them to do x amount of promo outside their show, its like “why are you trying so hard to push this image upon us?” It is after all their public personas are crafted by PR teams and they are sold at a high price. I use to think that anecdotes of fan encounters/strangers/cast/crew shown a glimpse of their persona, but turns out it had ulterior motives. Best to not get too attached in case sh!t happens, but really makes following actors harder now.

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          Yeah I’m a bit cynical when it comes to celebrities and how much I really stan them. Tbh I wouldn’t want to be friends with any of them! lol I like you…from afar. The thing with this image making is that he can be nice when he wants to or knows he is expected to and hey maybe he was sincere sometimes when it came to people he did like and “fit” in to his liking. Seriously, I’m sideying my last fave wondering if he’ll disappoint me too. Ha.

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            Trust me, you are not the only one. Sometimes, Western celebs and all their messiness lol, its like well at least they aren’t hiding their true nature. For Korean celebs, b/c they are hold to a higher standard, makes me wonder which star there is sweating rn.

            As for KSH’s case, I think once he became more famous publicly he started to change/get hot headed. I assume he was sincere, but being nice b/c cast/crew can’t work in an environment that’s tense. But it was more scary, that he was selling this “bf” image in public, but bts treating his ex gf like trash. He did say in interviews during his theatre days that he dated around, so seems like he was a bit of a player? The irony here is if dude just accepted his responsibility and married/had a child, sure it would’ve been shocking, but eventually long run, it would’ve been for the best. Smh.

            Lol, honestly yeah. Who knows? Fame/$$ changes people. The stars who stay true to their values/roots, & not buy into short glitz/glamour are those I respect heavily. Although will say, given Korea’s strong defamation laws, sometimes I wish like Hollywood lol that there were anons who would give us deets on trash bags/etc. It’s scary that even if what the person is saying is true, in court in Korea, they could lose. I really wish the trash bags in the industry would get revealed :(. Whose your last fav? If your scared to jinx them, then yeah its ok lol.

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            @soulsearch12 I think it probably would have been a disaster of a different kind if he had married her, like an Uhm Tae-woong kind of situation. I wish Korean society made it easier for women to be single mothers and stars to have a child out of wedlock without it being a colossal scandal.

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            @missh It’s scary how this guy promised her marriage/future together under threats of gaslighting/manipulation.

            “I wish Korean society made it easier for women to be single mothers and stars to have a child out of wedlock without it being a colossal scandal.” IA. I keep thinking of a Hollywood star, Olivia Wilde who had two children out of wedlock, but even though she and her ex separated. She’s able to be a respected director, do her thing, and etc, and her career is intact.

            For KSH, the craziest thing is his ex wanted to keep the child, and said she would keep their relationship a secret until he was ready to do so. Its such a sad/messed up situation, the poor woman will have to think of “What ifs” esp. during Children holiday. Not going to go the details, but he willingly knew and still did it. And then is all “Pikachu shocked” when she’s pregnant, smh.

            Oh god, that scandal ew. 2D1N really has a curse. But seriously, that or Lee Dong Gun too. There’s a Japanese entertainer in Korea ho had surrogacy, and many supported her. Rare case, but man I do wish society would just allow women to do whatever they wanted w/o fear from society :(.

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            @soulsearch12 Right? I wonder what it is with SK still running their entertainment industry like this…oh wait it generates a lot of money. High gainings but the stakes are high and this incident proved how volatile fame can be.

            My last fave is Junho and I’m not afraid of jinxing it because it is what it is lol. 😅 No, but really I hope he doesn’t surprise me like this one day.

            @missh Isn’t that a paradox, huh? If it weren’t for the certain stigmas in Korea, how many situations could have played out differently. Ofc, he could have still proven to be a jerk but idk just I can’t help but wonder.

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            I love how we are dissecting para-social personas lol.

            Oh Junho! I don’t really follow him, so yeah lol. We all hope that, but men gotta be men. Really, is it hard for people to be decent? I was thinking of a tweet that said, “People who said your favs are mess free, well tomorrow that could change.” https://twitter.com/AlbaneylaAO/status/1450722801653108740

            Seems like as soon as he coldly dumped her, he allegedly has a younger gf he’s supposedly seeing. He promised her marriage, a future together, & then changes once she’s pregnant w/ their child. And then pulling diva antics to get her to abort, so his career/himself can flourish. So selfish and stupid. If not her, he prob. would’ve done this to his next partner.

            Really, if we look at this in a broad sense, K0rea’s strict dating culture & how it effects popularity/life of these stars does paint a very negative old fashioned view of Koreas entertainment industry. I mean, these industries used to be run of mafias/gangsters. I mean, the whole X Fil3s case in Korea (Which exposed many celebs/now impossible to find) showed that celebs have open secrets that are protected/blocked by their agencies/force.

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            @soulsearch12 Whenever an incident like this comes out I always find myself questioning and analyzing the way celebrities are portrayed in Korea and just the overall works of their “world.” Sometimes it seems really shady! i.e. that xfiles case. But backtracking a bit, it’s mind boggling how the industry grows off of these parasocial relationships. Yet isn’t it ironic how it backfires on them when the image is broken? Like you set the stage and now it’s falling apart. But I guess they have this constant influx of new talents so they may just flip a page and move on. It’s a vicious cycle and ofc consumers play a big part of it. In any event, sometimes I just sit back and watch (and marvel) at how blindly some fans follow their faves. They talk like they know them and if anyone dares call their fave out, not even necessarily a major scandal, they become incredibly defensive and insulting. Yes, like them if you want to, be a fan, but acknowledge you don’t really “know” them. Why are you so worked up for someone you don’t know? Or why get upset that a celebrity is dating? The notion of that concept is almost comedic!

            That’s why the best way around this ordeal is to not be too attached, like you said. Just have fun! That’s what dramas and music are for! They should serve as a distraction and to make life more enjoyable. I say “I love Junho” all the time but that’s just me having fun and enjoying his works and talent and looks…ahem. I genuinely hope the actors/singers I like are good people, I really do! And although I realize how complex and fragile image making is, I don’t like doubting everyone either. Even with my bits of cynicism I still like to think there are more genuine celebrities out there. I don’t expect them to be perfect but at least for them to be decent people. Which btw, likewise on your Jisung comment lol.

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            @yongsital I think a-holes exist in Korea/Hollywood sadly. I think a lot of them do a better job of getting rid of any evidence or settlements. NDAs are quite popular as well. Makes me think had he apologized sincerely to his ex, this situation wouldn’t have snowballed to this extent. But also, if that didn’t happen, we would all be consuming his works w/o knowing the seediness. As someone mentioned in the thread, this guy did have the chops/talent to go far,& his film roles was going to show that. But he made his bed, he knew what would happen if a case like this went public. Four months ago, he could’ve made a diff choice. But alas, I just feel for his poor mom who was the one who pushed him to be on TV. It’s sad that fame/success really changes someone, & honestly it makes me re-examine the stories/etc. I read, & how someone could change? Its a shame truly, when I was really into him, I would hear countless stories/pics of his pre-fame days, & was glad to see someone like him succeed. Obviously, these things that absolve what he’s done, but w/ some time passed, it really is a sad and cautionary story. He just rose up quickly, and then splat.

            Yeah I feel entertainment industries are dirty. Rumors of sponsors pop up, & big stars have been rumored. Casting couch scares me. Allegedly Mystic Pop Up Bar’s PD is one of them. Hometown’s writer (diff drama), had a #metoo writer on, so ratings were affected.

            Korea has higher expectations placed on celebs. Public image is very vital to them. If one f’s up, they must take a long break before coming back. Altho men have it way easier, it disturbs me actors who committed assault still work as ML’s. I don’t blame fans for buying into that image, it can be spellbinding before you feel overwhelmed by it. But of course, we don’t know these people in rl. And how they’re to their cast/crew is going to differ then how they’re to their pals/lovers. I think its fine to fantasize about them, if its done in a fun manner. Not too serious, & enjoy their works/looks/interviews.

            One thing I do ponder is, when celebs say X celeb is their ideal type/flirt w/ them in interviews, and people ship them. I sometimes feel awkward b/c they might be dating someone in private. I found it ironic how people were shipping him & Suzy during SU, when he actually had a long term gf. Some people really go OTT w/ the shipping, & it seeps into their rl.

            I saw Junho’s workout routine,nice lol! Hope so too, but yeah I would read countless stories (cast/crew/strangers/fans/ancedotes) about KSH that were positive, & then this bomb. I recall him even saying Jongmin taught him to see the good in people this Summer, & now I’m like “Huh, what?”Kang Ha Neul has this kind image too,but the whole KSH thing has got me second guessing now :(Once time passes, it’ll easier to just enjoy their works/interviews.Ji Sung only stays home if he’s not working lol,& for Lee Bo Young,he would quit acting to be w/ her.If they divorce, big shock 4 sure

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          @soulsearch12 Hey, I’m curious what you think of this new development of the situation?

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            Oh boy! Hey! Whew, it’s a lot to take in. First of, there are lots of layers here to dissect. When I first saw the news, it was the article that A wrote. Now we have his side, that being said Dispatch doing what Salt should do for their own talent is appalling. It does paint this as a toxic relationship that these two had. For me, her letter really went through a lot of his personality, his changes, and etc. The texts leaked from their friends side paints a picture that these two had troubles, but also ups too. But def. paints her in a bad light compared to him. Somewhere in the middle, the truth lies. For me, the biggest thing originally was how the image his agency/himself was giving was a 180 from how he treated his ex/was bts. Dude had 2 incidents w/ the afterschool stuff, add to that fame/$$ perhaps his real traits started to show up more? I know the abortion thing is more known, but that letter she wrote was scathing to him, (of course when a relationship ends badly, it affects your view of them/etc). It painted him as a manipulator, and two faced.

            For me, this whole scandal has left a bitter taste in my mouth esp. with the pendulum swinging back to him. All the other stuff about his ex’s past life/etc are not my business. As for the letter she wrote, she seemed dismayed when she had to abort their child, and the texts he sounded ready to take care. He could also told her some unfavorable things to sway her opinion as well after he wrote those texts. Yes, this should’ve been a private matter, but from her pov, she prob. was jilted and frustrated that he was selling this pure BF energy when his behavior w/ her wasn’t like that. He even said he treated her poorly when they dated. In terms of grief, everyone deals w/ it differently & that’s something that’ll unfortunately doom on both of them.

            Tbh, my adoration of the guy started to decrease as he got more famous/star like. Even w/ this case or not, Salt’s handling of this issue and still trying to paint this good boy image on him isn’t helping. I feel them trying to still do damage control is a red flag. Even if he comes back (men usually do), this could backfire on him in the long run (in terms of still inflicting this image on him). If they bring him back on 2D1N, I can see them trying to mold him into that type. Disappointing. I think for the time being, seeing him in works or interviews is going to be awkward. Meh. This was long lol!

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            @soulsearch12 See and to me its so weird when Dispatch gets involved, not only in this matter but other incidents regarding celebrities. Why do they “step up” for certain celebrities? What’s their judgement to want to get involved? Did SALT pay them to defend KSH so it’d come from a third party & it wouldn’t look like they were blindly defending their actor? I don’t know. It’s just weird for me to see Dispatch so disposed to help. I’m not saying the texts are false, I’m sure they are but a tabloid’s involvement (because as knows as Dispatch is they’re not really a serious communication agency) in the mix adds to that bitter taste left. In any case, their relationship definitely seems toxic and to be honest no one will ever know for sure what happened or what was said, not even their closest friends. Personally I think some type of settlement/agreement was made which led to her response a few days after the original post. If so, it was a strategic move because shortly after Dispatch released the texts that turned everything over; I assume his ex is unable to make rebuttals anymore.

            Anyways, I’m not ashamed to have believed the ex first because in the majority of cases females are misjudged or deemed liars almost immediately against a male celebrity.

            But in conclusion I agree. I haven’t really followed him this year. I was looking forward to HomeCha in hopes my adoration of him would be rekindled. It didn’t though and then this blew up. I hope and think it best for him to stick to movies for now.

            Oh but you know what also leaves a bad taste? What about the allegations that he bad-mouthed his costars? That’s still hanging in the air and I think everyone forgot about it because they were so focused on the text messages and the ex’s past. Idk it just doesn’t sit well with me.

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            For sure, Dispatch’s involvement is huh. They’re known to be shady. Forgot the case, but supposedly they faked some texts to make one side appear more better a few yrs back. For sure, only those two knew what went down in their relationship. I heard some people say that her ‘apology’ was her settlement b/c she did say she would release info/proof before sh!t hit the fan. Given how strong their defamation lawsuits are, I guess longterm wise, it might have made things more hectic.

            Oh for sure, same here. Given how misogynistic the culture is, and all the stuff about A, she was unfortunately bound to fail 🙁 In particular, women speaking up is hard thing to do, & she even stated that the info she wrote was a lot to show its her. Sigh.

            I’m glad that both of us are looking at the bigger picture. I think given the context, but also broadly speaking, a lot of men probably sympathize with KSH (a politician there gave him support). Add to that internalized misogyny as well :/

            His apology was both vague and also not. He admitted to dating A and treating her poorly at times, but neither confirmed nor deny the other stuff. That was a smart move ngl, but def. feel like the abortion was huge issue which is why the focus on it was a lot. She talked about how his character with her was diff. then his image on-screen, and how he would come to her place for sex, and demanding it. Blergh, I guess fame probably made him think he was hot stuff. Yeah, same here. I think he got very lucky, that the texts/Dispatch put him in a more positive light. So people probably forgot, or probably don’t buy it.

            I was or should I’ve been?, that his film role was confirmed. I guess, he’s probably going to go into that realm. Fine, whatever. The whole ‘good boy’ image he/Salt presented and still going at, will do him more harm than good considering how he faltered hard in his personal life maintaining that. I think pushing so much onto an actor in such a short time and molding them to be a big star is evidently not great. Maybe, he’ll lessen his projects? Dunno, but it’ll be a bit hard ngl for the time being seeing him and not thinking about this whole scandal. Def. one of the strangest scandals to have come out in a while. Given what went down, whether Salt paid Dispatch, KSH’s role in it, & etc. Of course, their relationship was between them, & they had their ups and downs from what it seems.They had a messy breakup, abortion, failed promise for their future, & other things we’ll never know in regards to both. Media going at A leaves me cold

            I saw these tweets, the poster in ? was quite heated up lol. But she did say that Salt in the wake of the scandal blowing up kept ghosting CF companies/press, but also that someone she knows who works in Korea said Salt were scared/doing major damage control to protect him.

            https://twitter.com/rosiehyo/status/1453862709406150657
            https://twitter.com/rosiehyo/status/1453862194148487169
            https://twitter.com/robhoneys/status/1453819555583778816

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    Omg! Hey! I was just thinking of you and our convo back in Jan. Well, as I suspected dude/SALT boxed him in/made an image that turned out to be a lie! He brought into his fame and hype, & in turn acted like a coward and prick. His poor ex gf, who said she will never be able to conceive again. Just sick to my stomach, & now w/ 4 episodes left of Cha Cha, dunno if I want to finish. His ex was considerate for stating this after the show concluded. Sighs.

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      I immediately thought about you too! I saw a post where people compared how he looked pre-SALT and post-SALT and it’s amazing what image making can do. Now that this came to light it’s actually quite frightening how fake these people can be, including their agencies. He fooled millions of people in the span of a year. *shudders* It’s incredibly sad for his ex but I’m glad she’s free from him.

      I never got past episode one of HomeCha so now I don’t have to worry about picking it up again. Same with Start Up.

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        Yeah, if we all got makeovers/trainers/money/access, we would all be transformed. There was a pic I saw of him last yr, where he looks douchey lol since he looks drunk and drinking w/ his pals. At the time, I was like “Oh he’s giving bad boy energy, so diff from the good boy image he presents.” Looking back, it was his true self. Its sad that this dude bought into his own hype, and now his 15 minutes are up. There are new stars in Korea every month/year, plus due to his age, transitioning into films was the way to go. But you reap what you sow. Guess, he gave the performance of his career. The little ticks I found of him doing countless CFs/fan meetings/etc shown me someone who only cared about fame/fortune. People doxxing his ex gf as well, get a grip!! She’s already wealthy, so zip it!

        It’s such a shame, b/c the rest of the cast are amazing. Tbh, Hong the titular character was prickly/rude/nosy. I was annoyed at him at times, poor SMA/rest of the cast who could’ve reaped the benefits. Also reading about how he bankrupted two after high school learning places, and made his teacher drop off the 2nd floor after he locked the door scares me. Master manipulator, & the audacity to call Kang Ha-na ugly?!

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          Also lol is when she said “Oh how he loved his luxury goods.” I was like yep that’s hit all right. I was always turned off as mentioned in our thread, that he/SALT would put him/flaunt him in designer clothing all the time. That it was tacky/gross.

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          Oooh you know what really irked me with episode 1 of HomeCha? All the brushing of his hair back. Ugh it just turned me off so much from believing the storytelling because I couldn’t stop thinking he was trying to look cool. He’s always done this but when Start Up blew up fans raved over this action of his so I felt he overused it. I just kept to myself though but I think, like you, ever since our last conversation I became more of a bystander fan. I really wanted to enjoy HomeCha but I couldn’t get into his acting anymore.

          Also, Kang Hana still has a career so jokes on him. 🙃

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            Lol yeah. A lot of things since this incident has really made us second look/guess. I assume someone on his team made him do that lol. Also his forced smiling as well. I recall a pic of his staff (many people) clamoring around him just to get a pic of the guy. That’s when I was like, “Oh boy, this is too much. We lost him.”

            Funny b/c I too became a bystander fan after our convo. After the Start Up fiasco slowed down, I slowed down on him. Only until Hometown Cha Cha Cha was airing again, when I felt excited to see him/SMA together (mostly for SMA lol). But even then, I wasn’t like keeping up w him/nor the show. When I heard news of his film offers, I was thrilled for him b/c he’s at the age where he’ll to transition into mature roles. But tbh, I was turned off by his excessive CFs/amount of it/fan meetings/etc. It felt so fake to me, plus his over zealous Stans on SNS turned me off too :3. That’s why when some of my favs become uber famous, I hate to be cynical but it really does change my enjoyment of them.

            I know for you b/c you were a fan of his before his fame, it prob. sucks more. But ultimately, there are new actors that break out every year. He didn’t manage himself well, and well you reap what you sow. I can’t believe an almost 40 year guy managed to f up his career by his own admission. Scoffs.

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            Yeah I really liked him in 2D1N until some time near the end of 2020 or 2021 and I don’t know what it was about his mannerisms but I started thinking “all this fame can not be good for him.” I still don’t know what it was exactly that made me feel that way ever since. This type of feeling makes me worried about other young actors who recently shot up as well…sad sad

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            @velvetstuff Its probably internal pressure too? He was booking things left/right. Honestly, he f’d up due to his shameless ways. I think you sense a vibe, like “hmm, they seem a bit off/over doing it?” This case it does seem like outside of that, he also had character issues (Speaking trash about his works/fans/co-stars) as well. Being famous perhaps magnified that.

            “This type of feeling makes me worried about other young actors who recently shot up as well…sad sad” 100%. When I read stuff from fans like, I wish this actor would be a Hallyu star/get tons of leads/etc, I’m like “Be careful what you wish for.” Once you become a star, you start to lose sight of why you started in the first place. Thus, they get ruined like Zac Efron did (CAA wanted him to be a movie star), and it wrecked him. The more expectations placed, the worse it can be esp. given how dating is taken in Korea, worse. Like you want to confide in someone you love, but dating can ruin your popularity. Someone who just made it that I like is Wi Ha Joon. I think it’s better for him to rise to lead roles in his early 30s than his 20s. Of course, I do worry once actors who got some attention/fame, they change in bad ways. Like these actors get contacted by people who want them/want to date them/etc. Plus, a huge staff of people who are yes men, like of course it gets to their head. Its way better to get recognition for your work, get some leads/2nd leads/etc in good work (some popular/some not), have a stable life (dating/married/kids/etc), & stay free from things that only add to that. And the only time we hear of them are when they’re promoting their work.

            Actors that I respect like Kim Nam Gil, b/c he doesn’t do any CFs even when he could (minus one this yr). I mean after Fiery Priest (he did none!) nor does he flaunt his wealth/luxury goods, no SNS, and he does his thing (most of his works aren’t that mainstream) while running his own NGO. But who knows, it could be smoke and mirrors? For men, the bar is low :3. I stg if him or Ji Sung f up, I give up (half joking).

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            @soulsearch12 I like both of them too. Don’t fail us. Thinking about it, my “favorites” are all in their 40’s, do a drama, and then disappear.

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    where did you read it? i want to too

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    oh darn..just read it..

    quite interesting how much people can hide..and this isn’t even about public image.. its about people they are working with on a daily basis

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