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Open Thread #608

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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I'm making my life more complicated - combining few patterns to make some cute baby shoes and hey, one shoe is ready and it's so pretty!!! It took me two days to learn on my mistakes but it's worth it.

While sewing and feeding my brain with simple happiness while watching my tiny one throwing smiles at me I watched two last episodes of ALM and I'm loving it more and more. Like I posted on fan wall the writer has guts! I'm christian myself ( actually they don't give you choice when they babtise you at early age) but opposing to church because I don't like shallow things and at first I really disliked Monty python's humour and now I'm loving it. So maybe I will love this show until the end...

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Your making shoes? That is so sweet. When your baby is old enough you should revisit all the dramas you watched together at this time.

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I wanted to make a present and it will be easier from now on. With my first one I was doing crochet and gardening and with my second one I'm sewing. Later I won't have time for it so it has to be now.

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I just saw your baby shoes on fan wall. It's very cute 😆

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Thank you ♥️

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Hi all:
Life is finally seeping into my body. Do not get that horrible flu/cold/whatever that is floating around. No cheek-kissing, no hand-shaking, no air-kissing. Keep safe.

Not much happening. Which is not a good thing. One of my WIPs is giving me a hard time, and yes...i did wait two months before i even started it although the editor who invited me to the anthology gave me tons of time. Am distant from the main character's heart. Which is annoying because this story is all about the heart. I'm apparently lacking the ability right now to commit heart and emotion to a story that requires emotional nakedness. Everytime i see a great actor or actress being brave, vulnerable, and super honest in some story, i shake my head at my wimpiness. So, between that and having to move from this house, well....Stress is my present enemy and constant companion.

Dramas:

WWW -- I'm so liking this. Especially the drama-within-the-drama, "What's Wrong with my sister-in-law?" Thank you, writer-nim for the meta. Thanks also for teaching us all about korean search engines and defamation.

Spring Night -- Let the guilt battle begin. At first i thought the main subtext of this story would be competitiveness but noooooo, it's power-through-guilting other folks.

Secretary's Secret-- Well, finally! Took a long while getting to the truth.

Arthdal -- omigosh, my sweetie Tagon has a tender loving --dare i day "needy"?-- side when he's with his beloved. Am hoping his personality isn't set in stone and that he doesn't go all evil on me.

Perfume -- Why am i hoping for her heroine to be stuck as fat and to lose the rest of her perfume? Because i get so tired of the fat women never getting love unless they're skinny. That coffee body swap story totally annoyed me and this better not disappoint e.

Abyss -- Love this drama. Sure it's ultra-convenient with its plotting and makes characters do stupid stuff but dang, it's addictive. Hoping to see Prosecutor Seo's soul, but that would mean he would have to die and get resurrected. I wouldn't put it past his step-sister. That woman is so emotional about her mother that she might do some weird stuff to wrestle the abyss away from Min...since Min doesn't look like he wants to raise up her mother. I' betting Prosecutor Seo's soul looks like a demented damaged evil child.

That's about it. Have a great weekend, all.

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Regarding Arthdal, Tagon does seem to be the most interesting character, isn't he? I think there are secrets about him we have yet to find out. We'll see.

Have a good weekend also!

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Hey woman, long time!
Yep, Tagon super-intrigues. And double yep, the secrets! Plus he's a stranger and our hero is more like family...one's little brother who needs taking care of until he grows up into his greatness.

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@scifiwritir Carole McDonell
It's great that you've managed to pack in so many shows. I hope the flu is behind you. Thanks for the reminder. I've been sleeping too late, too often, and can feel that the body's resistance to flu is somewhat less. I know I need to keep on pouring in the fluids and sleeping more to keep the flu at bay.

Have a great weekend too! 😃

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Procrastinating through drama is my biggest skill. Yes, take care of yourself. That whatever-it-was was no joke.

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Mine too!!

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LOL! Where is that heart emoji?

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Here are some hearts ... ❤ 💗 💖 💙 🖤 🥰

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Khamsamnida!

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I think yours is the only semi-positive review I’ve read for Abyss.

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oh dear! That's a shame. It's not bad. But, folks tend to give experimental ventures a hard time. Maybe i'm just more easygoing than those folks when it comes to letting creatives explore whatever. I know several kdrama folks who like this though.

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I keep saying this, but the show got better. If they killed Oh Yeong-chul long ago, and started romance and team Se-yeon earlier, they would have more people watching/enjoying.

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I'm pretty glad that Oh Yeong-chul is dead. Hopefully for good. Hopefully. The romance is well-timed, i think. After all, these two have been with each other for ages. I think the idea is very creative, and making so many folks use the abyss is showing me that the writer has control of the many plot threads and will tie them all up. That's what i like about this. The plot threads aren't typically kdrama where only emotional changes happen (or not.) I've seen so many dramas where there are maybe six or seven significant plot changes then the end and during the entire story we deal with characters ruminating or we deal with filler where we get a lot of repetition that goes nowhere. Abyss has a lot of story to cover with lots of twists and turns. There isn't a lot of back and forthing. Of course they should slow down a bit sometimes but i do like that there is more story.

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I have hopes that Perfume is moving towards Jae Hee being her normal self at the end. Come on show! Pull through!

And have a great weekend too! :)

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I have a suggestion: place a limit of 5 posts max/hour for each Beanie.

Because while we all have the right the pour love for our stans, seeing 33 posts on the same celebrity over 2 posts (that's 40 posts in total) is annoying. (Especially when it is not related to dramas! But I digress.)

Thoughts?

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It's a public space so a little bit difficult to make everyone happy. I stan no one, but sometimes when I'm obsessed about a drama, I want to speak about it on WhatsApp or social media, but then my boss and professional contact will see and I will look silly. So I kinda understand why beanies share their love for celebrities/stans on DB.

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I understand what you are saying but I figured it's not too much trouble for me to quick scroll down two pages and let the beanie show his/her love for that celebrity or kpop group.

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I'm ok with showing celebrity love, I might even not notice they are all from the same beanie. Two pages of frame by frame screen captures is much harder to skip, especially if you are trying to avoid spoilers.

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When you watch several dramas and there are recaps, you want to comment, share your opinion, answer to somebody, etc. It would be sad if we have to restrain ourself.

I didn't see the posts you're talking about but I can understand that it's kind bothering.

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I understand what you meant, but I wouldn't want a limit.
I'd suggest that, as a courtesy, one would create subsequent posts as comments under a main post, rather than create multiple posts.

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That would be brilliant!

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I agree.

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I scrolled for three pages, saw the same celeb and another time saw several pages of screencaps for the same drama. All this from the same person. It gets annoying. If it were just happening occasionally it wouldn't be a big deal but lately it happens at least twice a week. I wouldn't want to place a limit but suggest we be a little considerate of other beanies.

For me, with the robocalls every day and spam everywhere else it used to be nice to come here where it didn't happen. It is frustrating but limiting posts isn't the right way to handle it.

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Hi Everyone! ..... I hope you are all doing well today.

Perfume - It's always funny watching Shin Sung-rok being super fussy. What's not so fun is this show's editing ..... it suddenly jumps to a different scene and I don't know why or how it got there. And we still need more info on that magic perfume.

The Secret Life of My Secretary - Decided to give this a try and watched the first episodes. Still not sure if I'll be watching this one consistently, but I think I'll be checking in on it now and then.

My Absolute Boyfriend - Um, no. I'll be skipping this one.

Nokdu Flower - Great show that I know won't have a happy ending (or at least, it will be very difficult to have one). Love the scenes with Ja-in and Deok-ki. The only thing is, I'm worried about something bad happening to Deok-ki. It's like a concern that's on the backburner ..... but it's there.

Arthdal Chronicles - So, it turns out this is the show I struggle with to get through the episodes. I'm actually a little surprised by this, but there you have it. I am quite curious, though, about Tagon's relationship with his father. The father wants his son dead but I think that feeling may go both ways.

Angel's Last Mission - So I am finding this one very, very interesting even though I think L's overacting most of the time. On the other hand, Shin Hye-sun is just fantastic.

Search Query: WWW: Intended to just check out the first episode, but I think I'll be watching the rest of the show. Quite a trio of interesting, female characters.

That's all for now. Everyone take care and have a great Friday!

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I so want to return to Nokdu but the fear of the tragic ending gives me pause.
Secretary has a very sweet tenderness between the leads but darn, they dragged out a certain situation foreeeeeeeeeeeever.
Yeah, i didn't really feel Absolute Boyfriend. Cute but i have just so much time.
WWW, like Spring Night, is making me fall in love with love.

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I am with you there. I love almost everything about Angel, and Absolute, am only watching it because of Yeo Jin Gu, I missed much of his previous dramas but not anymore

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I just realize I am watching a Thai, japanese, chinese, and Korean drama each. At different rates but it is fun.

I just started, one ep in, a c drama. It is called My Youth. The characters and tropes are very familiar but it feels zippy and fun. Just 30 min ep and some second hand embarrassment (which I have to pause and watch through my fingers) but it made me laugh too.
I think it is taking place in the 90s. She tried to confess with a tape cassette and she is into a singer called Pu Shu. But I'm not sure I dont have @kimbapnoona to pause and explain references, lol.
But I think it will span through college. I hope it stays as fun as this one ep. It will be nice companion when taking refuge from the heat.

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That's cool that you're watching a variety of dramas!

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Wow! Same here! I started a japanese drama to distract me from my fixation on One Spring Night, then started a tw drama to distract me from my japanese drama.....so now I'm stuck with three thrilling shows and they ALL COME OUT ON THE SAME DAY. ugh

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I forgot my TW one. I'm a bit embarrassed by it.....its interesting, lol. The lead guy looks a bit like the lead from The Psychometric Guy.

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Sounds like your TW drama is Before We Get Married starring Jasper Liu. I'm watching it too and loving it! Can't wait for the next episode to be subbed.

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Hey! I'm also watching "My Youth"! Too much cliches but I'm loving it! ♥ Still waiting for Ep 22's sub. Hahaha.

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Just on ep 1 so glad to hear it keeps it's fun vibe.

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Yes, it will! :) I love the main couple. ♥ Tho a little bit warning: SLS is strong here. ;)

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Uh-oh. I was surprised with the first ep that it looks like the main love interest isn't who she is crushing on....if that is how they keep going.

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😆Don't hesitate to ask if you are curious! I take lots of pleasure walking down nostalgia lane, @bcampbell1662!

I have not watched My Youth but now it is on my watch list. Thanks for the mention.

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It is, based on one ep, it is fun and fast like 30 minutes.

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and TW. I used to do that, but not any more, because I have hard time enough to keep up with all K-dramas. Now I only have one or two other dramas I can watch and my choice would be historical/fantasy C-drama or J-drama.

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I hear you. I usually can only watch 1 or 2 at a time. And even with these ones I'm going at my pace.

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Happy OT Everyone!
I'm marathoning a few episodes of a few shows to catch up after much busy -ness.

Just caught up with Secretary's Secret - what fun this show is. I've been more entertained by it in terms of it's hilarity and the many, oh so many, great couple being together scenes. I'm glad I decided to get into this show.

I'm scratching my head over Absolute Boyfriend. I applauded like crazy when Da Da calmly and deliberately rejected boyfriend. It was even great when she tells Nam Bo Won that what happens to robot has nothing to do with her. And then in about the next scene, although she never showed much in the way of caring for robot in a romantic way, she suddenly is sincerely telling robot that she likes him. Something is off here!

Angel Mission is still going strong. The twists in the ballet corps and foundation were not boring or a waste of time. They show why Yeon Seo should be the boss and how well she learns from Dan. The revelation of Dan's past is not too much of a surprise, but it's good to get the flashbacks more or less in the right sequence.

No time yet to continue One Spring Night or The Wind Blows

Cdramas ... I sort of started The Brightest Star in the Sky, but I'm not 'serious' about it yet. It's a toss up whether I'll continue with it or not. I do like the actress, Janice Wu here, as a spunky girl who can do tech stuff which is usually associated with guys.

My True Friend has possibilities although it's the same bicker and fight between the OTP who'll finally warm up towards each other. I'm again not sure I want to commit to 48 episodes.

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My True Friend is sweet but i felt so sorry for the second lead, then there were the business complications, so i kinda dropped it. Right now, i have a list of cdramas i'm waiting for. Sisyphus, Legend of Awakening, Crossfire, Held in the Lonely Room..and Ever Night 2.

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Ever Night 2 i am with you there

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ANTICIPATION!!!!!!!

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@scifiwritir Re My True Friend: 2nd lead is Zhu Yilong who I'm really into right now! Watching (re-watching rather) Guardian and Granting You a Dreamlike Life. Waiting and waiting for Viki to sub My True Friend. I know he's 2nd lead and I'll feel sorry for him I'm sure.
Re Every Night 2. I do not like Dylan Wang at all and from the pics I've seen I can't imagine he'll be anything as good as Chen Feiyu. However, I'll still watch the 1st episode and then probably drop it since I'm going in with a pre-prejudice.

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I fell for Zhu Yilong in Minglan. That frail sensitive soul bit will get me every time. I know zip about Dylan Wang but i need to see the end of the story. I am so going to miss Arthur Che but am waiting for him in Legends of Awakening.

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"frail sensitive soul..." oh, yeah. That must be why I like Zhu Yilong too.
Dylan Wang might be tall but he seems so much smaller and less imposing than Arthur Chen. We'll just have to see whether or not he can pull it off. It's awfully difficult to follow someone as popular as Arthur Chen was.

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I feel you, Chen Feiyu really brought life into Ningque. But if he's the only one being replaced, then maybe the show will still have that liveliness

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"Held in the Lonely Room" airing any time soon might be quite iffy. Chinese censors/regulators are holding up many "historical" or period dramas with heavy political content, concerned that such dramas might be contain metaphors reflecting the current government.

The Fated General was as highly anticipated as Novoland: Eagle Flag. The Fate General contains historical material that regulators now discourage for TV dramas. Novoland, pure fiction, was suddenly pulled 1/2 hour before scheduled premier, without new airing date.

Ever Night 2's fate will depend on how the script treat political and religious content.

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Eagle Flag was pulled??? Oh for crying out loud! Those censors! Ever Night 2 also has that supernatural element they're trying to get rid of as well. So many of my faves. Thanks for the headsup.

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The regulators don't mind supernatural as long as it's not emphasizing Chinese mythology, any major religion or superstitions (like saying ghosts do exist). I think of all the recent Novoland dramas, very fantasy-looking and simplistic politics The Castle in the Sky would still pass the censors with little or no trouble.

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I commend you for making it through several episodes of Absolute Boyfriend. I certainly tried but couldn't, unfortunately. That's ok though.

Glad you're enjoying Angel's Mission! I'm liking this one also. Shin Hye-sun is doing a great job.

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A really good job. And I like L too

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@korfan @linda-palapala @scifiwritir @outofthisworld @geliguolu @thatstp
I think I'll soldier on with Absolute Boyfriend because I want to believe that Da Da has a better head on her shoulders than being such a twit, and that she's trying to save the robot to get him back to Nam Bo Won and away from Diana.

She knew that in order to turn him away from Diana, she had to kiss him, but it seems that he 'remembered' due to the rain, so her kiss was superfluous, but maybe she was being extra thorough and it was good to get him reset, just in case!!! LOL.

As for Angel's Mission it's going so good. I love the symbols in the show, like the rain. But I'll post them later either here or in the recap thread.

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I'm not sure if Da Da's kissing Young Gu was to save him from Diana.

I can understand how a robot especially one like Young Gu provides emotional support for Da Da during this difficult period. I can even see how she develops feelings towards Young Gu. It's part of being human(on the part of Da Da). However, for her good, I hope she snaps out of it.

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LOL! You can always tell a true drama addict by our ability to soldier on with persevereance and hope. Go for it, Comrade!

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If you find a good Cdrama please hook meup 👆. Ever since I watched Ever Night, The Dark Lord and An Oriental Odyssey, I haven't been luck with Cdramas. Any recommendations would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Legend of Minglan
All is Well
if you like comedic, The Eternal Love
if you want silly and yet tragic, Ashes of Love

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Sounds like we like the same C-dramas. But I've not heard of Dark Lord. Have you watched The Legends with Xu Kai and Bai Lu? I love it! It doesn't take itself too seriously (not as campy as Oriental Odyssey, one of my favorites) but still a little tongue-in-cheek when she keeps trying to kill him over a misunderstanding. And they are so good together. I actually watched most of it raw and now that Viki has subtitles I didn't realize some of the humorous lines she gives, while he is all serious. Some fans misunderstood the ending, but I have a great resource that explained exactly what everything meant (even the butterflies) and it's a good ending.
I tried to watch Listening Snow Tower but right now it takes itself too seriously and just doesn't compare with The Legends. I'll try it once I'm done with Legends.

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Some of my favorite cdramas are:

Nirvana in Fire (this is probably one of my favorite all-time dramas)
Eternal Love: 10 Miles of Peach Blossoms
Story of Yanxi Palace
Story of Minglan
Ashes of Love

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Absolute Boyfriend: The end of ep 20 with the cheesy romantic music that gives the end game away and her kissing the robot - I was so disgusted that's it for that drama. The only ending I'd like now is that she dies and they make a robot in her likeness for the male robot. Call me disgusted with the whole thing. This writer is just jerking us around.

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I felt the same about Absolute Boyfriend. Yes, MWJ deserves to be dumped, at least a few more times. Young Goo must be saved from Crazy Diana. But wtf was DAT? What human in her right mind will convince herself she fell in love with a robot? And I thought Diana was crazy...

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@linda-palapala @geliguolu

I was all for Da Da dumping Wang Joon because they had serious issues and he knows he deserves it. I actually applauded Da Da for her guts.

But I was quite aghast that she suddenly decided her true love is Young Gu. I suppose this is what robot romance drama demands - to believe that a robot can love and be loved.

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This writer! One minute I sympathize with Sang Joon and the next minute want to strangle him. Even though he has possibilities, his answers and views still belie a self interest and self absorption. If this were a Chinese drama, he'd come to realize being an "ordinary" person is much better if you want to find true love.

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You know I mis-typed, right? Wang Joon, sheesh.

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@linda-palapala

I find Wang Joon quite real. I was shocked but could see why he did want to break up and why he pretended he never did.

I guess that's how flawed humans are. Wang Joon loves Da Da but he can still be selfish and self-absorbed at the same time.

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@linda-palapala @outofthisworld

I was quite happy with Wang Joon's reaction to the break up. He manned up and admitted Dada's observations were true and didn't get unneccessarily spiteful like some drama breakups tend to become. I actually thought Dada was crying because she felt her heartbreak has sought justice with his acknowledgement. Next thing you know she runs to confess her love to a robot.🤦🏻‍♀️

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Is that where this is going? I was saving up episodes to binge this weekend but now I want to drop it.

I'm not in this for the robot to get the girl. That is the very reason I didn't watch Are You a Robot. Dating a robot is preposterous. You guys are right, what would people think? Even if you didn't tell them he was a robot it would become obvious when he didn't age. He's either a robot or a vampire. lol.

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This is the issue I had with the J-drama version. The romance was ambivalent enough that it had me rooting for the flawed-but-utterly-real human love interest right into the finale, and - yeah. It's a dated concept, and the poorly written source manga isn't gelling well with the more modern self-aware directing, resulting in tonal whiplash.

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@thatstp We won't be sure until the final minute who actually "gets" the girl, or perhaps who gets the guy. You'll know whether to binge it or not then!
What I've started doing is watching the last minute of the week and the preview.

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I'm surprised by how taken aback most people are about human-robot romance with the comments on MAB and Are You Human Too. It's not like it's a new concept (just new to k-drama). Robin Williams portrayed a robot who fell in love with a woman who he served as a robo-maid in Bicentennial Man way back in 1999. There's been a ton of movies that explored themes of what makes a human human, can a robot develop feelings (whether romantic or not) and so on in movies/tv shows like Ex-Machine, Her, A.I., Westworld... Each reaching different conclusions.

I haven't watched My Absolute Boyfriend yet (I've watched a few episodes of the original a while back) but my problem with K-dramas (and Asian dramas in general) about human-robot romance is that it is an added element or gimmick to spice up an old story. It doesn't really explore the issue in terms of ethics, social norms... AYHT explored it a bit but it felt simplistic and on the surface level. It was mostly about office politics.

The existence of robots is an inevitability. So, while it is disturbing to think of human-robot romance as something that can happen in real life, it is important to explore themes like what does it mean to be "human," can a robot develop real emotions or is it just developed to simulate what looks like real emotions, how does that play into or affect people who are vulnerable, lonely... Essentially, I would love to see a k-drama dig really deep and explore these issues rather than just create fluff that barely scratches below the surface,

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Here's an interesting article about the possibility of human-robot love. https://www.zdnet.com/article/robot-love-why-romance-not-just-sex-with-machines-is-a-foregone-conclusion/

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I meant to include that in my comment, but you said it well. I tried to think if it was me and I couldn't find happiness with a real man, just how long would I be satisfied with a robot? And what about when friends find out you live with a robot because he's so perfect? Would they think you're absolutely nuts? Would they be jealous because their love interest wasn't perfect? Are these the questions we're supposed to ask ourselves with this drama?
I was gobsmacked to read a reply on another site from a fangirl claiming how fantastic the robot was and how much she loved him and wished she could have a boyfriend like that. Oh, really??

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When I read comments on how lovable Young Gu is, I don't take it that the fan is delusional about robot love.

Instead of Yeo Jin Goo, have a machine looking robot be Young Gu and I'm sure no one will be rooting for lovebot.

Most, if not all fans rooting for Young Gu are actually rooting for Yeo Jin Goo to get the girl. A few of course may do so because they hate the human bf, Wang Joon so much that they think Da Da is better off with a machine than a jerk.

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@outofthisworld ... " Instead of Yeo Jin Goo, have a machine looking robot be Young Gu and I'm sure no one will be rooting for lovebot. .."
You're totally right on. I forget that most fans find Yeo Jin Goo totally attractive. His looks don't appeal to me at all (gasp).

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@linda-palapala

Appeal is always subjective and thank goodness it is.
I find Jin Goo good looking, he looks even more suave in ep 19-20 but I don't see any chemistry between him and Da Da so it's easy for me to not get swayed.

I find Wang Joon and Da Da pairing more appealing. However, if the roles were switched and Hong Jong Hyun plays the robot, I won't root for him and Da Da either. I'm just not one for robot romance, no matter who the actor is.

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lol, I thought about "if it were me" too. Didn't care much about how friends and family would react. I was thinking more about the icky intimacy. Does that kiss smell and feel like silicon? Is Young Gu also 98.6°F (37°C)? Is he exothermic? What happens if he malfunctions when we get intimate? Will it burn? If another woman kisses and resets him, do I have to go through this crazy confession again? Does his hair grow? Does he bathe?!🤣

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@outofthisworld
Casting Jin Goo definitely helped me accept the robot. But Dada having him as a friend or loving him like a pet is as far I can go.

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I kind of like Diana, she's so over-the-top.

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I would have liked Diana too, the way I like Veronica Park in Secretary's Secret except that she's malicious, vindictive and even likely to be sadistic. Her only saving grace is that she's also probably mentally ill. If not for that and possibly her 'sad' backstory, she would be totally unsympathetic a character.

I do, however, like the way the character is played.

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I wouldn't have watched as many episodes of Brightest Star if not for my love for Janice Wu! Tao's poof of wonderment and spot-on styling can only take me so far. 😅

If you like Janice I would recommend Le Coup de Foudre which episodes are now all available on Viki.

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@kimbapnoona Thanks, yes I've watched and re-watched most of Le Coup de Foudre. Love that show for being simple and for the 'real' relationships and foibles. Of course it doesn't hurt that male lead remains single-mindedly faithful and that OTP make a wacky married couple together! 😉

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I love it. The best friend and brother is getting boring halfway. LOL

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@growingbeautifully Re My True Friend. I'll only watch it for the 2nd lead, Zhu Yilong. I don't care for Angelbaby or Deng Lun. It'll probably be sad for Yilong but he's such a good actor I always enjoy his roles.
Re Wind Blows: Did you start it? What did you think? I've thought of adding it to try but haven't yet.

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@linda-palapala I started The Wind Blows and got bogged down with other more 'fun' dramas and let it sit unwatched for a couple of weeks. I may pick it up again.

It was not easy to watch the husband being such a jerk and not telling his wife why he was so negative about having a baby, etc. I know from the synopsis what is going to happen, it's only a case of do I want to know how they get there and how it will really end.

I believe the leads will pull off all the sombre and warm feels, so if you're in for a show that's not light, not fluffy but not overly melo either, you may like this one.

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When I'm in the mood I like that kind of drama. The first few minutes watching Wind Blows I realized I wasn't quite in that mood right then. But I do like both leads.

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How do you feel about Angelababy acting? @scifiwritir Same question.

Due to, she was totally meh in General and I Chinese drama.

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I think she's okay. There are only a few actors and actresses whose crappy acting turns me off. I didn't see General and I so i don't know how bad she was in that.

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She was ok in General and I. I like the ost in General and I.

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Hi everyone, happy Friday!
So this month has been challenging for me. Do many dramas to pick from and so little time to watch them all. However, I am trying to watch as many as I can. ARTHDAL has picked my interest the most and its making the wait so unbearable. And then there's ANGEL'S MISSION, I was hesitant when I tried this show but the moment I watched the first ep, I was a goner and now the wait is killing me a week feels like forever

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Quick question, who's the first lead in ARTHDAL? Because according to Wikipedia, it's JANG DONG GUN and Kim Ji Won is the woman he loves.

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i noticed that too; Joong ki is not the lead, according to wiki.

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It’s normal in Korea when there’s a dual lead, the sunbae is listed first.

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ah, i didn't know that. Thanks!

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I didn't know too thanks @sunfl0werph_7

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"So this month has been challenging for me. Do many dramas to pick from and so little time to watch them all."

I know what you mean! This is my daily dilemma! Happy Friday to you too!

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Thank you @korfan

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I'm gonna drop this here for feedback, ideas and advice! Le Familia Dramabeans, Help me!!!!
So, I'm in Tokyo right now and planning a small, quick trip to Seoul. Wish I could do more, but I don't have more than three days max free at any point before I have to head back home in September. The likeliest dates are end-July, and early to mid-August.
What are the dos and dont's? I'll be honest - my main goal is shopping (MAKEUP! SKINCARE!) but I wanna make the most of my time. Of course, I'd wanna do it on the best budget - not so expensive I run out of money the same day. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to start, which places would be good etc etc. Is there anyone here familiar with Seoul shopping places? Is there any beanie in Seoul who could hang out with me? Any advice, any help? PLEASE?!

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You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a makeup place in Seoul. You will probably want to go to Lotte World. It is a huge mall as well as the tallest building where you can pay to have a 360 view of Seoul. I am not much of a shopper, but I really liked going down the street in Insadong. There are a number of chain makeup places. It is a touristy spot, but I enjoy it a lot. My favorite is the traditional market Namdaemun, which has a ton of street food and sells absolutely everything you ever thought you might needs and a few hundred other things. Good Luck!

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Great!!! (Makes notes, hehe)
I'm half happy with anticipation and half anxious I'm gonna mess up and miss a good opportunity out there. Sigh.

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+1 Best thing is they are easy to get to by subway. I like Namdaemun where I buy accessories and gift items (I got them cheaper compared to Insadong or Dongdaemun/food is great in Dongdaemun tho). And I like to spend time in Lotte Word (I was amazed wi-fi worked in the under ground outside of dept.store). And do you know if you go outside to the road, there is also nice walking trail around the river? by amusement park?

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I second visiting a traditional market. The way the Korean culture has been moving lately, I have a feeling they won't be as common in 5 or so years, and you might miss your chance.

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I haven't visited Seoul so I can't really give recommendations but definitely have a great time during your visit there and have a great time in Tokyo also!

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Thanks! Tokyo has been amazing to me. Hope the same for Seoul. <3

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If you want to shop on a budget, I would suggest avoiding Myeongdong. Most of brands there only sell items in bulk, so if you wanted a face mask you might be stuck buying a pack of 20. Or buying a kit of makeup rather than one lip tint. I would still recommend checking out Myeongdong for the experience (the Innisfree cafe is so cute and the street food is delicious).

I enjoyed shopping in Gangnam Station (both the actual subway station and the general area above ground) and Hongdae the most. Both areas also have lots of cafes and restaurants, so it is good for more than just shopping!

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Thanks a lot! Hopefully I'll have a great experience out there too, and drop some updates here on how it went, hehe!

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Hi @akikoscoffee Ushaki. Have a great visit to Seoul.
I can't help you with the makeup department, but,
if you have a bit of extra time may I suggest picking a Seoul location from a kdrama and visiting it.
You can search for kdrama locations at or own @Mich's great site:
https://koreandramaland.com/

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If you were visiting the southern part of Korea, I could maybe help you out as I lived in that area for a year. But alas, I never got the chance to visit Seoul while I was there. Hope you have fun though!

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Two weeks from my last day at work and six weeks from moving to Korea for over a year. I am over the top excited.

Beanies, if you are coming to Seoul in the next year or so and need an acquaintance to show you around or help you out, I am available ^^

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Aaaahhhh, sounds super awesome! When are you moving there?

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I fly in August 1st...staying until November 2020

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Oh wow, you'll be moving to Korea for a year! How fantastic! You'll have to share your adventures with us! :)

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After weeks of nothing happening in the Burning Sun/K-entertainment scandals, a bomb was dropped on YGE as the Yang brothers today resigned their positions with the company after it was alleged this week that they were part of a artist drug cover-up, destruction of evidence and a corrupt police investigation.
No one really thought that the criminal scandals would jump from individual artists to management in such a sudden and shocking manner.

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Whoa! Is this related to Park You Chun's case?

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Not really, it relates to 2016 alleged drug deal with YG artist/rapper Kim Han-bin (known as B.I.) and a drug dealer/mule who was told/paid/pressured by YG to change her story during the investigation (which was subsequently dropped).

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*Deep sigh...*

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"Drug dealer/mule ": Han Seo Hee again.

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Ever since the Burning Sun/Suengri/Whatever-that-other-guy's-name-is scandal dropped, I've been waiting for more stuff to go down. Korean culture has been subtly morphing and changing the last 5 or so years, particularly with younger Koreans who are becoming much more open and defiant against corruption and sexist practices and certain aspects of Korean society, etc. I think there's a very real possibility of us seeing more scandals pop up in other realms of Korean life such as the police force, the Korean government, the educational system, etc.

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I’m hoping to see more corruption gets exposed. Unfortunately I feel only the celebrity related ones will be uncovered.

In Korea, the art (and need) of keeping a polished image has all the agencies desperate to cover everything up. Added the deep rooted police corruption makes it a perfect supply and demand economy. I’m sure most agencies pay police off under the table. However it’s one thing to keep recreational drug use under wraps. It’s absolutely unacceptable for the rape and drugging of innocents to escape prosecution.

It’s no wonder Kdrama and kmovies rarely have heroic detective protagonists. Even if they do, the detective acts thuggish. The police force is synonymous to organized criminals.

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From my own experience living in Korea, the police force is pretty inept and useless most of the time. Crime is so incredibly low that there's not a lot for most police officers to do, and they tended to not believe you if you reported a serious crime anyway. Not long before I moved there, there was a really horrific murder that the police possibly could have prevented but didn't because of how they responded to the situation. A woman called them one night and said a strange man was in her apartment threatening to kill her. The police laughed and said she was probably just having a fight with her husband and he hit her, so they didn't send anyone out to check. Some time later, I don't know how long, her body was discovered in her apartment cut up into pieces. Very disturbing situation, and they might have been able to save her life, but 1) they didn't believe something like that could happen so they ignored it and 2) they thought it was normal for your spouse to abuse you, so they treated it like a joke.

I feel like there's actually a very real chance for things to really get blown wide open in Korea though, simply based on the fact that younger Koreans are eschewing the old attitudes of saving face and respecting your elders/superiors even when they're corrupt. They're not sitting around silently anymore. They're making their feelings and opinions more known, and I think that is having a strong impact on Korean culture.

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Yes, I heard the crime rate is low, but it’s because crime isn’t always reported.

I had a bad experience once in Seoul when a taxi ahjusshi wanted to rip me off and when I didn’t pay him the amount he wanted, he threw his hand up attempted to hit me. Luckily I dodged it quicker than he can swing his arm. And ran into the hotel lobby. I could tell he’s used to abusing women.

It will take some time to kill old habits, but I do see light penetrating the clouds. Like the police that filed a complaint about his superiors pressuring him to close the BS case. It may not be taken seriously but at least not everyone is complicit.

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@geliguolu I have to disagree that the crime rate is low because crime isn't reported. It's low because certain kinds of crime just are not common in Korea. There is, for sure, truth to it that some types of crimes aren't being reported, namely spousal and parental abuse, because there's long been societal acceptance of such things, so I can agree with you there. But theft, violent crime such as murder, stuff like that is just unusual there. You can literally leave an open laptop sitting out at a café while you use the restroom and no one will touch it. Certain types of crime have just historically been very rare.

I rode in taxi's pretty often myself while I was there, because I lived in a town where the bus stopped running at 10 pm every night, but all my friends were in a town 30 minutes away, so every time we stayed out late, I had to take a taxi home. I had two bad experiences with taxi drivers, one that was quite scary and one where the driver tried to rip me off as well, but otherwise, I never had any problems. The behavior from that particular taxi driver was definitely not normal, in my opinion.

I have a lot of hope for the future of Korea. It feels like things are really changing in the culture in a noticeable and meaningful way. At least in terms of response and action towards corruption.

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@ohsoenthusiastic Oh, I didn’t mean that taxis aren’t safe, I ride it all the time there. But the domestic abuse reflex is so ingrained in some men that they don’t even think twice that he was about to assault a tourist.

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@geliguolu Ah, yes. I would say that's very true of many men in the older Korean generation. I do think it's changing though, at least with younger Koreans. I don't get the feeling that they're so willing to put up with abuse in their relationships.

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Happy Friyay everyone

I'm behind for a lot of show except for Angel. Cant wait for recap cause I'm quite confused with what happen in ep 13-14.

Any Beanie is watching Voice S3? Is it good? Do I need to finish S2 before I can watch S3? Cause I kinda dont care about S2 😬😬

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Yes, because it has same cast for Voice 2. I have not watched Voice 3 yet.

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Han Ji Min and Jung Hae In's interview :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iii68RlNhEo

I think Swoon's channel found their mascot with Jung Hae In.

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Good morning Beanies! I'm so happy it's almost the weekend. I have been getting little sleep this week which has been my fault. Stayed up until 2am one morning finishing off Kingdom of Ash by Sarah J. Mass (which was brilliant btw). And other nights I stayed up pretty late watching shows or playing video games. Lots of sleep here I come!

Beauty Inside 8/10 I really enjoyed this sweet drama. The romance between the 2 leads was excellent. They had such good chemistry with each other, which isn't surprising because Seo Hyun-Jin tends to have great chemistry with most of her co-actors. But I love both her and Lee Min-Ki and both the characters they played (they had great kiss scenes!). I even thoroughly enjoyed the secondary leads and the romance that bloomed between them. I loved the gender reversal scene when Kang Sa-Ra promises to take care of Ryu Eun-Ho to his parents. The only thing that put a damper on this drama was the noble idiot episode. I HATE HATE HATE noble idiots. I will take pretty much every trope over that one. it makes me rage and hate the noble idiot character even if I was loving them before. So that sadly put a damper on this otherwise lovely drama. But besides that I would definitely suggest this to others.

General and I 8/10 I'm quite enjoying this cdrama. I really like Chu Beijie's character and his unparalleled love for Bai Pingting. I like how intelligent both he and Bai Pingting are. She is an equal match for him (as shown when they went against each other as generals of opposing armies). And we even got some good kisses and I'm only 15 ep into the drama! There are a good amount of cdramas that will go a whole drama without a single kiss, so I am of course thrilled about this (I love kisses 😝)

I'm heading to my Mom's this weekend to continue Her Private Life which I'm enjoying so far. After we finish that we will start Absolute Boyfriend. I also just started watching My Fellow Citizens (I've only seen 1 ep so far) but seems like it will be fun watch. I am already loving Mi Young.

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A fellow Sarah J Maas fan! 😍 I love the Throne of Glass series! I pretty much devoured Kingdom of Ash in 2 and a half days (despite crying my eyes out in many parts). I looking forward to her next release.

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She is one of my favorite authors :D And if you read her other series they got a small cameo on Kingdom of Ash! I shrieked happily over that.

I also shed many tears, but it had such a lovely ending so it was still good in the end.

Her new book which will start a new series wont release until 2020 😭

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I read that part and the cameo and I couldn't believe it at first. That made me so happy. But man I love all her characters and the beautiful world-building.
Also the new cover is so gorgeous and sooo many details! But still 2020?! 💔

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Watching kdrama has always been about having a certain ability to suspend disbelief but this week has been extremely trying.

Tell me beanies, which one of these scenarios is the least likely:

1) Robots have emotions which can be proven by them actually wanting to be loved
2) Angels live on earth but when they fall in love with a human, they turn to dust
3) Guy is concerned that his girlfriend is cheating on him, but now that he knows the guy in her flat was an extremely hot, cute, nice, intelligent guy (did I mention hot? especially in that green top), he's fine with it because the guy's got a kid so she definitely won't sleep with him.

I think I can believe 1 and 2 before I can believe 3.

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#3 is definitely the most unbelievable. I’m willing to suspend my logic for all sorts of scenarios, but having a child does not make a person a neutered being that is without sex appeal. On the contrary, seeing someone parent can be extremely attractive especially if that green top is as nice as Cloggie says.

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Is this the drama that I’m waiting to watch because the Pretty Noona trauma has made me not trust this team?

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That's the one.

The good news is that there's SO MUCH ANGST in the first 8 episodes (before they even get together) that they've run out of their Official Drama Angst Quota and it's only going to be cuteness and puppies from here on in.

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HAHAHAHA what a way to describe it. To be honest, I don't find #3 unbelievable if we're talking real feelings, not just in the moment lust. It's how people here think anyway. But FRANKLY I don't understand what the problem is anyway, since the hot guy was there with the girlfriend with 2 other people.

The show has been the opposite of pretty noona in some ways so far - we've had a ton of angst, but we've also got two adults who are willing to talk to each other about things (I think). More or less, I really like the show. I've already stuck with it longer than with Pretty Noona, and I have hope it won't be derailed by the sudden appearance of Eun-u's mum or some such plot.

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I love it too @greenfields. I have the added benefit of not having watched Pretty Noona.

The thing is: the bf was talking about 'cheating' not about finding herself a new life-long partner - even though she clearly is, and it was that it was Ji-ho that set his heart at ease, not that the sister was there too.

I find it extra hard because around here the cute kid would probably have made him even more attractive especially without an ex hanging around. Single guy spending time with his kid shows a willingness to commit to parenthood. It would be a very busy pharmacy...

I have to keep reminding myself that it's culturally very different.

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We also haven't had any kisses so far. =.= This is what I find truly unbelievable. I mean they're being all bold and professing their undying love for one another, but they haven't even kissed? I mean neither of them is of the LGBTQIA orientations. What if they turn out to be sexually incompatible later on. =.=

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@cloggie - yeah, if it shearing you're right. That was a stupid thing to say.

On single parents, I assume the thinking in SK is the same as here in India, and went with that. I agree it's nonsense.

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What is shearing? I meant cheating.

Ikr. At least in episode 8? 🤦 Kdramas

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(Stupid things for the ex to say, not me)

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I knew what you meant, Greens

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@greenfields, sexual compatibility is the very reason why I was so happy they've already slept together in WWW.

I'm always dumbfounded by the logic of being a single parent or an orphan (in K-dramas) is counted against you. Like, seriously? It's not my fault I'm an orphan. That's not a choice one makes. I can see how divorcing a cheating husband is looked down upon in a patriarchal society but what if your spouse died or the father runs off? These are not things you have a say in. Why are the looked down upon? Ugh, humans make me sick.

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For Ki Seok, it's not about sex appeal but the fact that "single parent" = worst thing to date in Korea society. Koreans have a lot of prejudice against all that is not the perfect family = 2 parents, child/ren.

@cloggie He's all of that and he shows and expresses his emotions. He doesn't feel less viril to do it. It's so rare in Kdramas. We are used to the cold and emotionless hero.

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Still I'm most interested in 3). I'm about to give up in 1) because robot/lovebot was so annoying.

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🤣🤣🤣 I'm with you. #3 is less believable.

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