Beanie level: Noble idiot

Beanies, I need assistance. What are some of the different names/terms for the traditional Asian drama female lead, the one who is usually long-suffering and constantly taken advantage of and can never seem to leave whatever situation is hurting them yet after eons of undeserved trauma, still ends up getting a happily ever after? I know there’s the Candy which is kind of treated as a catch-all term, but that doesn’t really describe the different variations of this type of female lead, in my opinion. I’m probably in the minority on this, but I actually think this type of female lead has a slightly wider and more diverse spectrum then it gets credit for. I just can’t, for the life of me, think of any terms/names/tropes other than the Candy. Am I wrong and that’s really it, or are there more trope descriptors our there I just haven’t come across yet?
Hope there’s actually someone awake at this hour to answer this, lol.

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    As far as I’m aware the only word is Candy. Although if the Candy lacks agency, I use the term pot plant.

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    “… I actually think this type of female lead has a slightly wider and more diverse spectrum then it gets credit for”

    Can you elaborate?

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So I’ve been thinking about something for a little while now, and I want some other drama lovers thoughts on it.

As we all know, there was a period there where all of the illegal drama streaming sites were being forcefully taken down by broadcasting companies, etc. that owned the dramas the sites were hosting. Obviously, this was perfectly within their legal rights to do, especially seeing as more and more legal sites were popping up where they could put their dramas and make money off of them.

Of course, this pretty much ceased all fan subbing and also meant a lot of dramas that would have never seen the light of day if it had not been for these fan teams lost their chance to be viewed by a western audience.

Now, maybe I’m wrong about this, but I’ve noticed that this takedown of illegal streaming sites doesn’t seem to really be happening anymore, even though there are still some illegal streaming sites out there. And the sites today aren’t just re-uploading the videos with fan-subs. They’re re-uploading most of the professionally done subs as well.

I only actually know of two illegal streaming sites that are out there right now, because I stopped using all of the illegal sites when they started getting taken down and have only recently started using them again, but they don’t appear to be having issues with these companies anymore. Or am I incorrect in that assumption? Are these companies still as dogged about finding these sites and taking them down?

And I guess this brings me to my next question which is…am I the only one who kind of misses the old days of Asian drama viewing and kind of wishes we could maybe go back?

Just thoughts from a beanie.

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    Also, I name dropped the two illegal streaming sites I was talking about and discovered that they are considered inappropriate words on Dramabeans. Which is totally fine but made me chuckle, lol.

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    How far is your old days of Asian drama viewing? Hehe. Is it the days before drama streaming was a thing?

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      Before Dramafever existed. I started my drama viewing lifestyle on MySoJu which was the original for streaming dramas online. They had EVERYTHING. And if they didn’t have something, someone would put it on there, lol.

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        Lol. I can’t recall if I ever used mysoju but I’ve heard about it before.

        Clubbox, cruncyroll, hjsplit, withs2, sarssubs, megaupload, mediafire, dc++, dialup etc were part of my old drama watching days. It feels so nostalgic. Drama watching has changed so much.

        I started actively watching jdramas/kdramas in Uni and my old drama watching days involved downloading the episodes and also the .srt sub files.

        I even bought drama cds/dvds. Oh the memories. New laptops don’t even have a dvd slot. Hahaha

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          I remember downloading One drama (although there might have been a couple episodes from another one at some point), because downloading was terrifying concept to me, but I wanted to watch this drama that bad, lol. I streamed everything else, because I couldn’t bring myself to download anything.

          And I totally plan on buying DVD sets once I have the means to do so.

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            Iirc, I once bought an original DVD at a legit DVD shop but the subs were awful. It was hard to make sense of the subs. 😂😂

            I still download some dramas that I like. It’s easier compared to back then. I downloaded 50+ East of Eden eps for Park Hae Jin via clubbox, I don’t recall how long it took me. Hahaha

            Walking through memorylane~
            http://www.dramabeans.com/members/katakwasabi/activity/745628/

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            @katakwasabi I honestly don’t even care if the subs aren’t very good, lol. Just owning the show would be enough for me.

            How/where do you download dramas? I’m seriously considering downloading some of my favorites, because I just want to own them so much.

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          It used to really be a community back then. The more commonplace watching dramas has become though and the more accessible they are, the less and less like a real community it feels. At least that’s how it’s started to feel to me lately. At the same time, there’s simply not the same selection of dramas today for us westerners as there was then. Back then, it seemed like everything was out there to watch if you wanted to. New dramas, old dramas, obscure dramas, you name it, someone probably subbed it. Now with legal sites that only have certain dramas and only from certain countries, it feels like there are less dramas to watch. But I know part of it is I’m just nostalgic for days gone by, and I hate endings, and drama viewing the way we know it has been slowing changing and in some ways ending and the genre itself has begun to evolve and change, and that just makes me really sad.

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        lmao i felt like dying the day mysoju died.

        I miss it too, but i don’t miss the quality of what we used to have. Still, i feel like there’s no website not that has EVERYTHING, old drama, old movies, from different nationality. There’s one that starts with a K but it has lots of problem and disappear regulary…

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    I went from Crunchyroll and mysoju straight to Viki and Dramafever. I think the illegal sites are a lot harder to take down these days, as they just keep popping back up with a different URL when they’re taken down. I totally don’t mind paying for content, but when something’s not available legally, I’ll occasionally resort to one of those.

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    Nah I think they just got really good at shifting servers and shit

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I Wanna Hear Your Song:

So what I’m saying is I’m not sure why I’m still totally invested in this show, because it really doesn’t deserve it right now, lol.

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    Well, it has disappointed me in different ways with another miserable female character and running away from logic but I can’t wait for next week to watch the rest!!😂

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I Wanna Hear Your Song:

Also, let me just say that it was pretty shitty of Maestro to hire her to be a timpanist when she made honestly what was a pretty major (even if totally unintentional and understandable) mistake that should have kept her from being hired to begin with…and then he fired her for the same mistake he originally overlooked and didn’t have the human decency to do so privately before the next rehearsal but instead chose to do it in front of an audience. Like, I was feeling your character, but that was cruel and unnecessary, and now I’m kind of hoping you find yourself naked and drunk in the middle of the road one day with everyone pointing and staring and laughing. (Don’t get me started on her going back to ask for a ‘second chance’ and him being like ‘you can be my assistant,’ because no on both accounts.)

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    I think he’s an A-hole plus the way he treats the violinist is horrible too (even if she’s not the greatest either).

    But then he has moments like on the stage when he said ‘i see your spark and i hope we’ll perform together on the stage one day’ and i go awww maybe you can be a good person after all.

    Made me wonder if this is how people get sucked into toxic relationships..

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    I may have misread this. The office did call her (her sister picked up the phone) to convey the news about the change.
    And they were surprised she came to practice.

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Potential I Wanna Hear Your Song Spoilers



SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS GIRL STILL ISN’T THE SLIGHTEST BIT SUSPICIOUS THAT THIS GUY INTENDS HER HARM AFTER TAKING HER TO TWO EXTREMELY TRIGGERING PLACES AND SAYING SUCH ODD AND MILDLY THREATENING THINGS TO HER!!! WHY IS SHE NOT RUNNING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM HIM SCREAMING EVERY TIME SHE SEES HIM!!! AM I THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAYS?!?!?!?! I DON’T UNDERSTAAAAAAAAND!!!!!

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    It is and will still bother me (as much as I find Yoon interesting) but idk how Yi-young’s mind works. I wonder if it is all “Oh, I’m in Dramaland so it is probably safe to be with him.” I think it might trigger some people so LMHYS should be watched with caution.

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      I mean, she’s obviously had at least two traumatic brain injuries, so maybe any sense of self-preservation was knocked loose?

      But then again, I’m finding the creepers very compelling and charming, so who am I to judge.

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        😂🤣

        *raises hand*

        Me too.

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          We are not okay, are we?

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            My barometer is so broke when it comes to a fictional “hero”.

            Sig in a Hundred Million Stars: won’t trust him with a cat but he is charismatic, mysterious, and a bit broken….so ship.

            Hyun Bin in Secret Garden: Pushy, arrogant, doesnt respect boundaries but smolders, has dimples and a quirky fashion sense….so ship.

            Cheese in the Trap Guy: um…pretty sure he is a sociopath, but he just wants to feed the heroine….so ship.

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        The thing is, experiencing trauma typically makes you More cautious, not less. So even from that angle it doesn’t make sense.

        Honestly, I don’t know why it’s bugging me so much this evening, because I was totally rolling with all of it before, making peace with whatever nonsense the drama might decide to get up to. But tonight it’s hitting all my rage buttons, lol.

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          Nah, I get what you’re saying. She’s being written as extremely naive, with very little of the spidey sense that many women recognize almost daily when it comes to dealing with creepers.

          I think I’m letting it go because I like the actors? And I know the male lead won’t turn out to be a murderer, and will soon realize his target of revenge is off, and I also suspect that the maestro is not a baddy either.

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            It’s not even female spidey-sense. It’s just plain ol’ common sense. His behavior is off on every metric, and you’d literally have to be standing on the moon not to see it. She comes across as having the intelligence level of a potato. Which sucks, because I actually quite like her otherwise.

            I know, just by years long engrained drama logic alone, that the male lead isn’t a bad guy, and he’s going to realize he’s barking up the wrong tree, but I am still very confused by his behavior and what exactly the writers want me to feel about him. I can’t tell if they want me to find him disturbing or sympathetic and misguided, and the way he’s being portrayed is starting to give me whiplash. (No offense to the fine actor playing him who’s name I’ve forgotten, because I don’t remember most actor/actresses names, lol.)

            As for the second male lead, I have issues with him as well, mostly the hiring and firing fiasco he created that served to do nothing else than humiliate our female lead and dash her hopes, but I think you’re probably right, and he’s not a bad guy. He probably even had a hand in saving the female lead from the true bad guy. But right now he comes across as a real dope who doesn’t understand how to not be hurtful.

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            I even think the male lead may turn out to be her boyfriend from one year ago, not the dead brother. But overall, I am VERY creeped out by this show and both Yeon Woo-jin and Song Jae-rim’s characters.

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            @greenfields
            If he was the boyfriend the sister would have definitely known. Since no one recognizes him I assume he was not in town.
            I have some suspicions about the cousin sister. Probably totally unwarranted.
            Why hide her memories? Without her family hiding photos, deleting pics from her phone etc she would have some peek into that timeframe. Given that she is so clueless am afraid the family did some shady business.

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            @mayhemf – to be honest, i am trying to rationalise the kiss because it really creeped me out haaha

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            @mayhemf, there is most definitely going to be some kind of connection to the car accident that killed her parents. Something smells fishy about that whole business, but hopefully that doesn’t mean there will be some noble idiocy later. I will hate that.

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            @egads
            It will be sad if her family (uncle/aunt) deceived her. I did find it odd that when she spoke about herself, she introduced herself as an orphan to Jang. That was the first thing she said. On paper, it looks like she had a loving family who treat her like their own. But somehow, it looks like she is just putting on a show to seem chirpy and happy.
            She is terribly lonely, is what I got from her so far. She clings to anything that gives her attention.

            I find it weird, that she was even ok if Nam would have kissed her on that stage.

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            @greenfields Oooooh, that’s a possibility I hadn’t thought of. Although she only lost three months worth of memory, so she would have had to have met him and started dating him immediately before the traumatic event occurred for the timing to work, which does seem a little unlikely to me.

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            @mayhemf I think her family is just protecting her/they might not actually know the truth of what happened either because the female lead’s memories are gone so she can’t actually tell them.

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            @mayhemf As for there being no photos or other evidence that she knew Ian, something most likely happened to her phone during the event in question so anything on it would have been lost, and it looks like she only knew this guy a super short period of time, so she might not have even had any photos of him to begin with. We have to remember that she only lost three months worth of memory, so only so much could have happened during that time frame.

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            @egads I hadn’t thought about that, but I think you’re right. The writers are pulling the typical ‘play up both events and how similar they are’ technique which can only mean we’re eventually going to see the ‘it’s all connected’ trope pop up soon.

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    I understand, even though I am waaayyyyy more suspicious than our lead and have a bit more info on the stalker than her I am intrigued too.

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    Me watching that car scene:
    girl why you drive so far, late at night, to a secluded area??
    girl why are you following him into a dark house??
    girl take him up on the offer to call someone you know!!!

    Girl must’ve lost a few brain cells in her numerous falls.

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My final thoughts about The Secret Life of My Secretary finale episode, in order of their appearance in my head:

I didn’t realize this was the last week of episodes! I thought we had one more week! But we don’t! And now it’s over! And I’m sad!

First the final episode of The Duchess of Duke Street earlier this evening utterly wrecks me. (Do yourself a favor and watch that series. And prepare to cry at the end.) Now my current drama love is over! I need consoling. And a tub of ice cream.

That. Was. The. Moment. To. End. The. Drama. ON. That last scene….WAS PERFECTION!!!!!! FEELINGS!!!! I HAVE FEELINGS!!!! SO MANY FEELINGS!!!!!!

This drama makes me so happy. I take back any criticisms I had before. I don’t care anymore. This drama has no flaws. Only moments of pure excellence.

I guess now I gotta find something Else to watch that will help lesson the feeling of incompleteness after finishing Two shows, one with a bittersweet ending and one with the perfect happy ending. My head and my heart are so heavy and full at the same time and I think I’m crying.

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Just saw that my submission for this month’s theme was posted the other day, and I’m over here all giddy, lol. Thought it didn’t get accepted because it was over 1500 words (I HAD FEELINGS, OKAY?!) so I told myself to forget about it and then I really did forget, lol. Now Dramabeans just needs to put out a monthly theme that lets me talk about the MySoju days, because Boy. That was the Wild West of western drama viewing, and somebody needs to teach the chitlin’s about that. ‘When I was your age, I had to walk 10 miles in the snow, do a cartwheel through traffic, and a voodoo dance on my roof just to watch a drama.’

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    MySoju was never available to me, but when I was young (!) there was a shady site which had you download an app, then download the drama episode in 5 parts and feed it into the app to rejoin. Then download the subs. Open the episode with a specific player. Load and time the subs, aaaand watch!!! I did it only once. It was nerve-wracking, and I didn’t need any more nerves wracked with a toddler and a newborn!

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      Woooooooah. That’s intense. MySoju was not like that. You watched everything on their site. You did need a strong adblocker though, because it was littered with pop-ups. And I think it could be quite slow sometimes too, but when you got an itch, you gotta scratch it, lol.

      Now I want to collect people’s stories from the wild west of drama viewing days and turn it into another post for the site, lol.

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        😂😂

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        Even back then I refused to watch anything online. I think the closest I streamed online was myasian.tv but I hated the awful quality. When clubbox was gone, Daddicts offered a ton of torrent links that WITH S2 and Haru subs based their softsubs from so that’s where I used to get torrents. And that’s how you used to support fansubs too for their efforts. By their rules, it was illegal to hardsubs. So you download the episodes and use their softsubs!

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          Gaaaah good old memories slowly coming back!!! when WITHS2 and Haru subs team slowly became hiatus due to personal matters, darksmurfsub then emerged. Their fan sub concept was sort of what viki is now, like there was a template of sub per episode. So it was autosubbed from Korean to Chinese to English. Fans of would then be involved in translating/editing the subs to make them readable for other fans and you could also see the progress too in %. Then I believe that’s when viki came around.

          Gahhh don’t you just love how fans come together and help each other out sharing their love for dramas! 😃

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            I believe Viki was actually not wholly legal in the beginning and slowly transitioned into being a legal streaming site (unless I read that wrong somewhere). It was the only way for them to continue existing if they didn’t want to be eventually shut down or legally punished. I know that’s probably part of what happened to MySoju.

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            @ohsoenthusiastic yes correct! Viki had online streaming up for free just like the illegal sites today, and boy were of low quality videos! That’s why I didn’t use viki stream at that time. I Still resorted to downloading from daddicts. Anyways To prevent the site from going down and mostly owners receive legal actions, they decided to do things under the law. It took me quite a while to sign up on their service cuz dramafever then emerged, offered HQ which then turned to HD quality videos. Dramafever didn’t have 8hr turn around of subs until recent years. Then the dramas and subs turned into dramafever vs viki competition for whoever got the licences fast. I remember if viki got the exclusive, dramafever would have to wait weeks until they could offer that same drama on their site. Vice versa with viki.

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          I never used torrents, except for I think in two cases. I was terrified of downloading things that might have virus or other nasty stuff attached. Not to mention the process of downloading torrents is confusing as h*** to me. Now I have no idea how to get into torrenting dramas, and I’m afraid of getting in trouble for it, lol.

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            Yes. I guess whether you watch it online or download, both were done illegally, so there was always that risk of getting virus from them. But torrent files offered HQ 720p of episodes, and daddicts supplied us all those torrent links, (there was a thread where you could request for seeds if drama was years old and no one was seeding), so I guess that gave an extra safety net for us when downloading videos. Then they got the memo too that they were going to be shut down, so they removed all torrent services off their sites. I *think*(haven’t been there for a long time now) they become sort of soompi now; just a forum to hang out for fans.

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      Lol I do remember those good old days with clubbox and hjsplit! And megaupload days!!! 😂😂😂 WITH S2 and Haru subs with those 1 week wait and you could see the progress of subs on their site.

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      I totally forgot all about MySoju!!!! It’s been soooooo long

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    Congrats on getting published. Your article was a wonderful tribute to Dramafever 💔

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      Thank you! It was the first time I ever submitted something, and I was very nervous about it, lol.

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        I enjoyed reading it. It’s always interesting to read about things people have great enthusiasm for. Sorry that the it got shut down so precipitously.

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    lmao
    Seeing you guys talking about mysoju, with s2/haru sub, darksmurf… bring back memories yo!
    I still have hj split on my laptop and various external harddisks, dunno why… pretty sure I didn’t need them anymore

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      Omg! Same!!!! Well I don’t download dramas now since legal licences of viki and dramafever era, but I still have those dramas and soft subs I had downloaded and saved on my external hard drive! You’re Beautiful, Dal Ja Spring, My Prosecutor Princess, Dream High to name a few.

      I remember too javabeans used to fansub for WITH S2. So the routine was she would offer recaps of Dal Ja Spring on here, then we would have wait days (perhaps weeks too) until the softsubs that she was part of translating were out! Gaaaah!!!

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        oh my…
        bow to Beanie ancestor~

        This is another trip down the memory lane~
        When I think about it, can’t believe DB has existed that long and that we are still here~

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    Congrats!

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    Congratulations! It was a good write up! You still have time to write another one before tonight’s deadline! I want to know of the good ‘ole days!

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      I wasn’t part of any communities during eh MySoju days, unfortunately. Really wish I had been though.

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    I had completely forgotten about MySoju but what a throwback! I always used illegal means to watch drama online (oops), and although I’ll always remember the fear of downloading a nasty virus by mistake with the torrents, I still look back at those days fondly. :)) I would love to read up on the genesis of these various online streaming sites and subbing teams. It would be a fun trip down memory lane!

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Just finished tonight’s ep of Secret Life of My Secretary, and I know the story is deeply flawed and nonsensical and silly, but it’s doing literally everything I want it to so I just can’t get mad. I’m anxious every week for new episodes, then I watch the new episodes and I’m chewing at the bit for more. It’s putting me in my happy place.

The only thing that would make me More happy is if they went ahead and brought our leads back together in tomorrow’s ep so that they can be cute together again and use their combined awesomeness to take on the baddies at the company. I don’t even care about Gal Hee needing to pay penance for her lie. She’s sorry. She won’t do it again. They’re clearly in love with each other. Now can our precious couple work things out and be happy together? Pweeeeeease???

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    and last scene gave me all the hope its gonna happen today for sure.. he himself make her wear her red sweater (just opposite as its always her helping him wearing his suit)… and i went awwwwww at that scene..
    i cant be angry with this show at all no matter how silly the tropes are… it just fills the void in my heart which needed something fluff at this moment

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First post on my fan wall, and I’m confused. I only get 200 characters, but other people are able to make much longer posts. Is that just something you earn after so much interaction on the site?

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