[Trend inspirations] How to be a Witch in court
by Guest Beanie
Witch’s Court
By @greenfields
If you’ve read my fanwall, you know I’m a practicing lawyer. This means I can be found running around various courts in my city during the day, and drafting or meeting clients in the evenings and on weekends. This also means I work a minimum of 11 hours each weekday, and at least 8-10 hours on Saturdays. In other words, formal wear makes up 90% of my wardrobe.
Ugh.
Thankfully for me, dramaland is overrun with female lawyers giving me advice on what to wear. A simple but elegant style is Lee Yoo-young’s in the currently airing Your Honor. Sadly, it also looks elegantly expensive.
Your Honor
And, a little too serious for my liking. But it’s seriousness makes it the perfect outfit, given the prevailing rules of court-wear in my country:
- Black and white. Light and sober colours that don’t stand out are allowed, but overall, outfits like Lee Da-hee’s in I Hear Your Voice could have me fined for contempt in the higher courts (though I would get away with it in the lower courts – while looking ridiculously fabulous in the shabby surroundings).
I Hear Your Voice - A black coat. No other colour will do. As a woman I’m exempt from wearing a coat in summer, but must wear it in winter. Men have no such luck. So Nam Ji-hyun’s outfits in Suspicious Partner are also out.
Suspicious Partner - Do not reveal the legs. I can wear skirts but it’s inadvisable to do so. India is a conservative country, and skirts stand out in court since practically no one wears them. As a young, female, first generation lawyer without any family or connections in the profession, it’s a struggle to be taken seriously. As much as I’d like to battle for my right to wear a skirt, I just don’t have the energy for it. So, this beautiful outfit – worn by Go Sung-hee in Suits – is also out.
Suits - Those gorgeous heels won’t do either. Try climbing up 20 flights of stairs over the day as you run in between courtrooms and stand around waiting for your case.
*cries* I don’t want pink hair, but there has to be some way to express myself?
This leaves traditional Indian formals – the saree and the kurti, which I do wear – and western formals but what we call pants, only. I switched careers within law to litigation near the end of 2017; and just when I was wondering what I should be wearing to court, a dramaland lawyer gave me the answer.
Witch’s Court
Meet: Ma. Yi. Deum. Played by the beautiful Jung Ryeo-won, she’s the protagonist of Witch’s Court, which aired in the final quarter of 2017. Sassy, sexy, bold and unapologetic, I fell in love instantly. While commentators criticised her less than savoury methods such as outing a gay man in court, I defended them (do watch the drama before judging me!). But I’ll be the first to admit I haven’t completed this show – legal dramas are to me what medical dramas are to doctors.
But I’m not here to talk about the drama. I’m here to tell you that I loved Ma Yi-deum and her fashion has followed me to court here in my far away country. In the episodes I watched, Yi-deum wears simple formal pants and loose button down shirts. As an example, I first noticed her style in this scene from episode one, where she’s outing her boss for sexual harassment. Man, she did good, and did she look good doing it.
Witch’s Court
This one scene might be why I thought I want to look like Ma Yi-deum. To be more accurate, I want to be bold and confident like Ma Yi-deum. This is the concept I went with, with some modifications to suit my skin tone and body type. I’m nowhere as slim as Jung Ryeo-won, for instance. Over the months I have hunted down all the sober and light coloured shirts that can be found in my part of town. I now have everything from a shirt that looks exactly like the one she’s wearing to more cheeky clothing such as a white shirt with a pink collar and my absolute favourites- which I cover with a big, black, loose fitting coat just like Yi-deum’s while in court, lest I be found out. Please excuse my poor photography and ironing skills:
This is my best attempt at not losing myself in the sea of black and white lawyers. It takes the edge off my nerves to think of my Snoopy shirt when I’m standing before a judge, waving my arms and saying something like, “If I may direct Your Lordships to Exhibit-A, page 37 of the plaint where the purchase order is annexed…”
Notice also that Yi-deum’s got a lovely, thin brown belt breaking the all-black outfit. Guess what was the first thing I purchased. She’s also got a simple make-up style. Something that can be done on the go, is hassle-free and takes no time: she puts on a simple, bright red lipstick.
Witch’s Court
I’m not one for make-up, but like many Indian women, I wear kohl or a simple black eye-liner over and under my eyes. Yi-deum’s very Korean-style look is lighter than the typical kohl-heavy Indian look, so I cut back on the thickness of the kohl and dragged my mother to all the make-up brands possible till I found the right shade of lipstick. I had amassed a huge collection of various shades of red and my mother, fed up with the unused make-up cluttering my desk, threw it away – and I have no funny picture for this post.
So now we have me, Greenfields, I’ve got the look of the lawyer I want to be. Now I need to work on my attitude.
Witch’s Court
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1 bbstl 🧹
September 8, 2018 at 8:18 PM
I have decided that Anna Wintour has a job so that, ultimately, you can undermine The System in that Snoopy Shirt. Blaze On, Counselor ⚡️
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2 greenfields
September 8, 2018 at 9:12 PM
Thank you for putting this up DB! ^-^ *sends love!*
[I REALLY wish I'd found better images + am embarrassed about my shirts.]
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greenfields
September 8, 2018 at 11:53 PM
Thank you also for the love in the comments section, everyone! ❤️ 🤗
Cheers!
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Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
September 9, 2018 at 12:05 AM
Shirts are Fab, just like you 😎
You got great choice G 😁💜
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yayabean
September 9, 2018 at 12:16 AM
You should not be embarrassed! I really liked that you shared your personal wardrobe pieces.
Loved your Snoopy shirt!
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 2:48 AM
Thanks hahaha!
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하데스
September 9, 2018 at 6:49 AM
Really like the Snoopy too. Do you wear a jacket over it usually?
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 7:24 AM
Hehehe yes - I'm in the whole get up of a white collar, black coat and flowing black gown.
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하데스
September 9, 2018 at 6:50 AM
Oh, and I can't fold a shirt anywhere near as well as you did.
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egads aka Dame Maggie
September 9, 2018 at 1:13 PM
Just watch this lovely video @bammsie shared with me yesterday. You'll become a pro in no time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3zDXZjwzsI&app=desktop
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bam 🐢🐌💖~
September 9, 2018 at 1:15 PM
😁💖
And green - I forgot to comment when I read this last night, but I love your fashion so much. You’re perfectly fabulous.
하데스
September 9, 2018 at 4:38 PM
Ohhhh...you have to iron your shirt first...😂
saturtledaisy
September 9, 2018 at 10:37 AM
I love your shirts! I have similar ones with raccoons, foxes, birds and apples I like to wear at the office with formal pants.
It is hard not to lose yourself in this black and white world! I am glad I get to be at least this creative as a woman, it seems harder for men. Though my male gay colleagues have colorful ties and socks with nice designs, most of my other male colleagues kind of look the same on a daily basis.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:37 PM
This is the case at my end as well. All the men are dressed the same, day after day after day. At least the women are able to wear traditional Indian formals and thereby stand out a little. HAHA I do not know how they can stand it! Do they really not thinlk about it at all?
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night owl
September 10, 2018 at 12:20 AM
out of curiousity, our kurtis and saris are by nature a riot of colours and designs. so, is it only western formals where colour is looked down upon?
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 12:23 AM
Hardly. Kurtis and sarees come in sober colours and blacks and whites as well. That is what women wear. :)
To be clear it is only the upper courts - High Courts, Supreme Court, a few tribunals like the CAT, that are so strict. In smaller cities & lower courts, the dress standards are more lax, so long as you're wearing your white collar, you can get away with whatever colour.
night owl
September 10, 2018 at 12:30 AM
really? now, am wondering if you have special stores for lawyers. hahahahha... am shocked at the idea of kurtis and saris coming in sober colours and that all all black or white. thought it was such a no-no in our culture. even when it is a plain colour, there is always that embroidery or zari or some small embossed print to make it stand out... and out of curiousity, what about earrings? are you allowed to jazz it up and wear different colours?
greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 12:39 AM
Night owl - huh? HAHAHAHAH ofc kurtis and sarees come in blacks and whites and other sober colours. I'm suprised you haven't come across them. Maybe it's because I'm always on the look out for them? Kurtis I can wear to Court are admittedly harder to find but sarees are not. The women Judges, older female lawyers - all in lovely formal usually black sarees. Design etc is fine too - so long as the look is formal.
I also think it may be product of where I live? I'm in, as I say in my post, the big city. There's a decent bit of western-indian mix style happening in clothing here. OR so I think. I don't know why this shouldn't be the case elsewhere as well.
night owl
September 10, 2018 at 12:55 AM
ah okay, I understand the kind of black and white saris that you are referring to. for some reason, was imagining the kind of all white saris/salwars that nurses wear! :)
3 egads aka Dame Maggie
September 8, 2018 at 9:22 PM
I love this! Like you I never finished Witch's Court, but her style is fantastic, and I think it's great she inspired yours. The image of you, in court, with your covert Snoopy shirt is fantastic.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:36 PM
(^^) I need more clothes like this, but they're surprisingly hard to find, sadly.
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4 JustMe
September 8, 2018 at 9:22 PM
Yay @greenfields ! I loved how you brought and wrote your piece. Im sure you stand out in your own way! (And i desperately want that snoopy shirt. Are there any in Canada?)
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:07 AM
I dunno about Canada. I bought it at a Levi's Store, so it may actually be available somewhere!
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5 jillian
September 8, 2018 at 9:29 PM
I love the snoopy shirt! 😊
Rock those clothes inspired by Ma Yi-Deum. Confidence will bring on the right attitude. Cheering for you!
Love reading this! Thanks for sharing @greenfields!
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6 ObsessedMuch
September 8, 2018 at 10:05 PM
Hhahah this was a fun read @greenfields! Yay for being inspired by the right attire, attitude witll come too :)
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7 Jellybn
September 8, 2018 at 10:14 PM
What a lovely post, @greenfields! I love how you found inspiration in dramas, but made it your own to fit your life! I'm always on the lookout for a good shade lipstick myself since my favorite one is all done and hard to find. Hopefully, you get your lipstick stash back! Fighting!
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8 Beverly
September 8, 2018 at 11:05 PM
Great post!
Love the snoopy shirt. Though you can't wear the clothes from I Hear Your Voice maybe you can use the hair flip for a boost of confidence when needed.
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mary
September 9, 2018 at 12:02 AM
Or pettily jab the elevator buttons to close when your frenemy is trying to catch it XD
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Flightey Gazelles
September 10, 2018 at 11:46 AM
Oh, I love that sassy hair flip and the bored tone she uses as a form of shade to her rivals, lol. I think there are a few of Lee Bo Young's clothing choices you can get away with. They are few and far between though.
I'm surprised that you'd be a little less willing to try a skirt as opposed to pants in India. It's the opposite in my country, pants are frowned upon and only a few government institutions accept the suit pant.
I like the use of Saree as formal wear. Awesome writeup @greenfields
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9 korfan
September 8, 2018 at 11:17 PM
As a Snoopy fan, I'm loving the Snoopy shirt!
Really enjoyed reading your post @greenfields!
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10 Midnight
September 8, 2018 at 11:42 PM
How can I Like a post twenty times? This was a fantastic read. Thank you @greenfields!
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Rukia wants melona
September 8, 2018 at 11:50 PM
Agreed. Like times 20!!
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11 Rukia wants melona
September 8, 2018 at 11:43 PM
Thank you for sharing the story of your search for the look that expresses who you are within the constraints of the dress code in the Indian legal system. I love that you have been inspired by Yi-deum. I am sure that you are definitely rocking in the courtroom with your new style.
I hope that you find many more fun shirts à la Snoopy and that you become a legal legend in the same way you are leaving a trail of brilliance in our little k-drama community.
Fighting!!
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:30 PM
You are ALWAYS way too nice to me @rukia! *hugs and thanks*
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Rukia wants melona
September 9, 2018 at 11:34 PM
I beg to differ. You are all kinds of wonderful. I'm just being honest.
*hugs back*
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12 javinne
September 8, 2018 at 11:44 PM
Wow! Loved your post. I would have never ever wanted to become a lawyer, but my sister is, and... well, actually she has never had the chance to practice but, I like to think that we have a lawyer in the family.
Wish you the best!!!!!!!!!
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13 gadis
September 8, 2018 at 11:59 PM
Fantastic article, @greenfields. And thanks to this, I got to read your awesome and fun gif story. I can't believe I missed that one.
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14 Fatcat007 (Kitty 💜)
September 9, 2018 at 12:03 AM
Lemme just imagine you winning a case while looking super swag in your Snoopy shirt & light make up.
(The kajal-liner is surely an Indian thing right. ^^ I'm so used to it now that my face feels plain without them 😂)
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night owl
September 10, 2018 at 12:25 AM
kajal is a must have for our heat. started wearing them after folks recommended that it would help cool the eyes and it does make a huge difference. plus, it doesn't hurt that it makes our eyes pop out and shine. :)
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15 mary
September 9, 2018 at 12:04 AM
@greenfields did your post just start a Snoopy shirt trend..?
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Rukia wants melona
September 9, 2018 at 1:10 AM
Yes!!! XD
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 2:46 AM
I sure hope so. May offices around the world find themselves inundated with Snoopy muahahaha!
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blnmom
September 9, 2018 at 6:38 AM
I can't find any online! only T-shirts. Where did you get it?
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Rukia wants melona
September 9, 2018 at 6:55 AM
I can't find it either. *sigh*
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 7:17 AM
Levi's! But about three months ago - they may be out of stock by now?
Rukia wants melona
September 9, 2018 at 10:38 AM
LOL!
Not on the website for France or the US... I'll just have to see if I can find it in a store...
It is just so dang sweet! ^^
egads aka Dame Maggie
September 9, 2018 at 10:44 AM
Levis is now wondering at the sudden surge in Snoopy shirt searches.
🍙 kimbap noona
September 9, 2018 at 2:07 PM
Untapped power of Beanies PPL!
mary
September 9, 2018 at 7:02 AM
Secret Snoopies! And if a shirt won't cut it, Snoopy undies!
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🍙 kimbap noona
September 9, 2018 at 2:08 PM
Echoing @egads, now @mary is responsible for a possible sudden surge in Snoopy undies searches.
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
September 9, 2018 at 6:46 AM
So jealous of that shirt.
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16 bogoshipda
September 9, 2018 at 12:12 AM
@greenfields! I love you!
Sign in to give you thousand likes (if only Dramabeans let me do so) for this wonderful writing! And million hearts for your Snoopy shirt!
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17 mugyuljoie is preciousss
September 9, 2018 at 12:36 AM
I applaud the way you're subverting the dress code in a subtle way. Thank you for sharing your wardrobe choices. I always wonder about the high heels in work place dramas. I wouldn't last the morning in them.
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18 SnarkyJellyfish
September 9, 2018 at 1:29 AM
Oh, I want a Snoopy shirt for court now, and I've just vowed to stop shopping until I've cleaned out my closet. But I also feel you -- it's so hard to maintain individuality and be professional as a woman in the law. (I really really want to dye my hair pink again and am debating if it's worth the effort to grow my hair out so I can dye the underside in the back.) I also do the lipstick thing because the best secret I learned in law school was that if you wear red lipstick (...or hot pink) people will think you're totally done up even if you have no other makeup on.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 7:28 AM
Hehehehe - I hope you find that Snoopy shirt! Basically, Snarky - if you do it, I will too! Die it pink (or well, a dark red), just from the underside in the back. I saw a girl in Court with this just on Friday - it looked fantastic and wasn't that jarring.
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SnarkyJellyfish
September 9, 2018 at 10:48 AM
I can't lie - after I wrote that comment, I spent 40 minutes looking up peekaboo color hair (...at 3:30 AM), and I'm pretty sure I've come up with a plan...I'm gonna talk to my hairdresser next week when I go in for a cut. My biggest thing is that I'm now working in a much more conservative court when I actually need to go -- but then like 90% of the time I get to be extra casual in the office and I'm pretty it doesn't matter what I wear.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:30 PM
Hehehe - okay let me see too! My hair may be a bit too short, but I'll talk to someone at least. ^^
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19 Cloggie
September 9, 2018 at 1:46 AM
I loved your post @greenfields!
I especially loved that you brought attention to attire that would not be appropriate for the job. So often I think: but who would wear that to do whatever it is they're doing...
I also liked Han Ye-ri's outfits in Switch - in case you need more inspiration.
And hurray for Snoopy shirts!
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mary
September 9, 2018 at 7:03 AM
Oooooh Han Yeri in Switch had the same "loose" comfy formal wear going on and her makeup was also pretty like spring!
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 7:22 AM
Hehehe I haven't see the show and it didn't spring to mind. But yes! ALL THE TIME in dramas btw! ^^; But - and I know we all know this - the poorest and most homeless of characters have the latest phones and expensive brands. It's dramaland magic.
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20 Safeenah
September 9, 2018 at 6:27 AM
I enjoyed reading your write up. As time goes, you will have the attitude you want to have.. So don't beat yourself about it besides Rome wasn't built in one day...I wish you luck though... Unnie Fighting!!!!
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misty
September 9, 2018 at 7:59 AM
What a fun and well written article @greenfields!
And yes, agree that the attitude comes with experience and confidence, which takes time to build up. Having an attitude too early in the journey will earn unnecessary hate! Especially when you already have the Ma Yi Deum look down pat :)
Wishing you success in the courts of India. It sounds like a tough male-dominated environment. You go girl! Hwaiting!
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:06 AM
So true. These things take time! I'll keep this in mind. Thanks :)
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21 Jiji
September 9, 2018 at 6:41 AM
Love this! I am a lawyer as well and agree that it can be hard to dress appropriately for the courtroom while still retaining some modicum of comfort and personal style! I laugh at some of the goofy outfits that K-Drama heroines wear to court (ahem, Suspicious Partner) but inside I might be just a little bit envious.
I thought your comments about skirts were interesting. Where I live, a skirt suit in a somber color is the gold standard. It wasn't too long ago (although before my time) that many judges required women to wear skirts instead of pants in court. Even in the dead of winter I always wear a skirt if I'm appearing before a higher court or a more formal, stodgier judge.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 7:20 AM
Yikes. Regardless of whether "wear a skirt" or "don't wear a skirt!" is the norm - the issue lies with the policing of women's outfits. Or for that matter, men's. Personally I take this a bit further - I don't have any issues with men wearing skirts - it's a piece of clothing, we've gone and assigned it to a gender quite unncessarily.
I remain envious of drama heroines too!
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saturtledaisy
September 9, 2018 at 10:42 AM
At least in court, in my country outfits arent really policed as we lawyers must all wear a robe. I admit to having spent a day in a miniskirt in the court building under my fancy robe . However, that would not fly in the office...
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Jiji
September 10, 2018 at 7:07 PM
I'm totally jealous of the lawyers who get to wear fancy robes to court. Although I'm happy to forego the wigs they wear in the UK and Canada!
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OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 11:25 AM
In my courts women are actually given far more latitude in their dress than men are. However, that does not mean that women can appear in jean shorts and floppy sandals- it still has to be reasonably professional. For men- it is coat and tie, period. No matter how hot it is.
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Jiji
September 10, 2018 at 7:08 PM
Agreed -- I think this is one area where women have it easier. I get away with a lot more than my male colleagues when it comes to court attire.
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22 blnmom
September 9, 2018 at 6:43 AM
Great post!
I temped in a secretary pool at a law firm one summer, and they made us wear those pencil skirts (this was before business casual became trendy). I gave mine all away after that, they look good but are the most uncomfortable ever. I can't walk, or sit, or much of anything else in them.
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 9:27 AM
Hehehe isn't that what Secretary Kim wore? Pencil skirts. They do look uncomfortable. Sad to hear you were made to wear them - the policing of outfits is one of my biggest UGH things
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23 하데스
September 9, 2018 at 6:54 AM
In this day and age, why do we still have a tug-of-war with appropriate dress? Tradition is one thing, but overregulation is another.
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Rukia wants melona
September 9, 2018 at 6:56 AM
Word, @hades
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24 loveblossom🌸
September 9, 2018 at 9:41 AM
Awesome post! I loved reading your gif story too. ^^
Ma Yi Deum was my favorite part of this drama. I liked her snarky attitude and style.
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25 risa
September 9, 2018 at 9:41 AM
What a great inaugural post for our new theme of the month!
I'm so glad you included a link to your previous gif story... I hadn't seen that when you posted it, and I enjoyed it immensely. Like your gif story, this post also has a plot twist: who would expect that the answer to "How to be a Witch in court" is to surreptitiously wear a Snoopy shirt?
The birds shirt is nice too, but what I especially love about the Snoopy shirt is that Snoopy is doing the Happy Dance. It's fun to imagine our heroine, G, being all serious and solemn in court-- while internally, she's doing the Happy Dance because the judges ruled in her favor, or because BTS just broke another record, or because she's thinking about how much fun it is to channel Ma Yi-deum.
Also, Snoopy is a beagle... and G is a legal beagle!
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:12 PM
Hahahahaha I love how you identified the plot twist as a plot twist. ^^; Just for the record, I also have a beagle at home. :) Beagles all around!
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risa
September 10, 2018 at 8:48 AM
Aww, your having a beagle makes the Snoopy Goes to Court story even better. 😊
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26 saturtledaisy
September 9, 2018 at 10:47 AM
I relate to this! Appropriate work wear is such a struggle. At least I have to wear a robe in court so the judge can't throw me out based on my fashion choices.
At the office... it is a different story. Lawyers are so judgmental towards eachother... and even if they wouldn't be, you want your client and especially the other party to take you seriously during contract negotiations, which requires some effort as a twenty-something young woman.
Why is office wear also always so expensive???
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OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 11:17 AM
It is so expensive because the sellers think that you can afford it and because they know that you want to look your best to your colleagues, clients and those you will be dealing with. But, appearances do count- even when you are older, or perhaps even more when you are older- it is that valuable visual impression which forces people to take you seriously- and to take the situation seriously. As Will Durant once said "half of the majesty of the Law is sartorial".
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saturtledaisy
September 9, 2018 at 11:38 AM
Someone tell the sellers that starters really dont make that much money please.
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OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 1:59 PM
Yes, indeed. Sometimes you can pick up some good things in good shape at consignment stores. Which is also a good way of applying significant economic pressure on the other sellers.
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27 OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Coat and tie are absolute requirements where I practice.
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28 OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 11:02 AM
I hit the send button too soon. Coat and tie are required in my courts, but we do have some discretion as to their color- I usually wear navy with a gold or red tie, and the ties have patterns. My favorite ties include one with a pattern from a painting by Josef Klimt. I have yet to finish Witch's Court also.
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29 Waadmay
September 9, 2018 at 12:04 PM
Good luck honey , all the best concoring the world dominated by males and thriving in it to the top
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30 🍙 kimbap noona
September 9, 2018 at 12:58 PM
Fantastic point by point presentation, @greenfields, followed by a beautiful summation narrative.
Same as @cloggie, I love how you bring attention to drama attire that would not be real-life appropriate. I am already imagining you with your own show on The Learning Channel “What Not to Wear, with Green Witch in the Legal Battlefield.”
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Cloggie
September 9, 2018 at 1:23 PM
My favourite non-appropriate work attire from kdrama:
1) doing a business meeting in your dressing gown
2) wearing a skirt that is so short that the character has to cover herself with her purse
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM
"summation narrative"? You make my post sound deeper than it is. *goes to google this term* ^^;
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31 Ally
September 9, 2018 at 1:14 PM
@greenfields, lovely post! I, too, have lots of office-wear, and lots of skirts and button up shirts. I like color and thankfully, I can wear a lot of it. But in the US, skirts are normal business attire for women, and above the knee is fine as well, just not mini or tight. However, in the winter, I tend to wear dress pants with an array of blouses and knit shirts. When I see these shows with women attorneys I always add a blazer to the ensemble, but then realize how uncomfortable they are under a white coat and then have to take them off when I get to work! At least I can look fab walking from my car to the clinic, anyway. I'm sure you are better dressed than 90% of the people you meet. Congrats on a great write-up!
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32 🍃noobita🍃
September 9, 2018 at 1:32 PM
Loved this post!💐✨ 💖
I like that you pointed out why certain outfit won't work out at courts or when meeting the clients; the culture, the season and personal taste.
Sometimes I do wonder when watching kdramas where the setting is at professional place and the character wear this flashy outfit, I thought, "You can wear that there?" 😂
I chuckled at the Snoopy shirt, so cute and somehow it gives the positive light energy despite you being at serious place🌸so refreshing!
Also, fighting!
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33 RaOnAh loves Jay B 💚
September 9, 2018 at 1:46 PM
@greenfields Those shirts are awesome! I'm glad you found a way to express yourself within the courtroom dress code.
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34 isa: I'm not a serial killer I'm just really passionate about things
September 9, 2018 at 2:48 PM
@greenfields you are just the awesomest. Thats all. Thats what Ive come to say. I thoroughly enjoyed your piece. I have nothing to add and goodbye.
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35 RenOIshi
September 9, 2018 at 4:59 PM
That Snoopy shirt is everything!! I suppose we have similiar styles :) Here is my list:
- a navy high collar top with tiny white dinasours
- a maroon shirt with orange & blue ballerina's
- a pink button down with little black weather baloons
- a dark brown shirt with pink kittens
I wonder if people take me seriously when I do my countless speeches at work...
Love your writing!
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:22 PM
Heheheh! I love this kind of cute stuff. :) I dunno why kids should have all the fun - someone speak to clothes designers real quick.
I always think clients give me a funny look in my Snoopy shirt, but that's fine - I can deal with them. If what I say has substance, they soon forget about my clothes.
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RenOIshi
September 10, 2018 at 12:31 AM
You are right! You go girl!
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36 OldLawyer
September 9, 2018 at 9:39 PM
@greenfields I have re-read your very well written piece and realized that I hadn’t responded to your last sentence- about attitude. I am going to share a piece of advice which my Civil Procedure professor gave us on the last day of class. He was a great man- extremely respected (he was part of the US Supreme Court’s Rules and Practice Committee) and the finest gentleman I have ever known. He noted that he had met most of the greatest judges and lawyers in the land, and they varied a great deal one from the other in many ways except for one single attitude that each of them had in common with the others. That unique quality was kindness. He told us that we should certainly work hard, study hard and represent our clients zealously but, if we really wanted to be successful in the law that we should cultivated that attitude. And it makes a lot of sense if you think about it- whether you are in an initial consultation with a potential client, talking to a potential witness or cross-examining a witness in court, dealing with your fellow counsel or even the people at the clerk’s office that attitude will tend to disarm people and break down a lot of unnecessary barriers and reduce unneeded hostility. I am not saying that you should become a pushover- I am simply saying that if you treat everyone with kindness- to the extent it is possible- it will help you in every aspect of your practice. Unfortunately most Kdrama writer’s don’t understand this (perhaps I should say most drama writers generally) which my be why the images of what successful lawyer likes like are often such caricatures – which is often why I and many of the other lawyers are so often unable to complete a legal drama- Witch’s Court included. I might add that my professor also noted that kindness might not initially come naturally to us but that was OK- we could fake it. If we faked it long enough it would eventually became a real attitude – which is essentially a Confucian observation that would probably come quite naturally to a Korean.
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greenfields
September 9, 2018 at 11:28 PM
"I am simply saying that if you treat everyone with kindness- to the extent it is possible- it will help you in every aspect of your practice." Thank you for the words of advice, and I comepltely agree.
I suppose the problem lies in expectations and perspective - because I'm young and female, people think they can bully me. Or at least, they try to, often. Therefore I have to push back if I want to earn the fees I'm being paid. I love Ma Yi Deum's unapologetic, bold and confident nature - so many men can be like that and it's perfectly normal, but for women, the expectations differ.
Ofc I've seen many female lawyers I really admire too - as an oldlawyer ( ^^ ), any thoughts on this? I'm noticing that the very best female lawyers, the celeb lawyers so to speak, are unmarried. A bit of a strange pattern since this is not the case with men.
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OldLawyer
September 10, 2018 at 7:19 AM
As for bullying- one can be kind but firm. Every lawyer has to put up with people who try this- including from lawyers who never should have become lawyers in the first place. You can be kind and strong at the same time. As for marriage- those star lawyers are probably of an earlier generation, and I suspect that being single was the price that they had to pay to devote themselves to their careers. Hopefully that is changing in your country. I went to school with a couple who married right after law school- and the husband is arguably less successful than the wife, although given that she is an Appeals Court judge now it is arguably apples and oranges.
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:04 AM
Well said. Everyone tries to bully everyone. I need that reminder once in a while.
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Ally
September 10, 2018 at 10:33 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but I do have female friends that are. And all I can say is that you can be both a successful litigator and a devoted mother and wife. One of my best friends is a malpractice lawyer (I know, how ironic she would be a good friend) and very good at what she does, while her husband is a contract/corporate lawyer of a start up company. She definitely is the more monetarily successful (and probably more driven) of the two and she runs the house. And a caveat, he's Korean and she's Caucasian. That doesn't matter much, but since we are on a Korean site, and thinking of how patriarchal Korea is, he's really smashing a lot of stereotypes which need to be smashed. Another friend is a hospital attorney (she's actually met my other friend in court) and she has three children with twins! She always looks like she's running with her head 10 steps in front of her body. These women couldn't do it by themselves, and do have sitters and nannies and FAMILY that help well. Anyway, as a professional with a career, I can tell you that you can't do it on your own. So, the single female lawyers that you see probably don't have a lot of support to be able to do this, or have not found a partner willing to be supportive of their careers. Someone has to take a back seat and be behind the scenes for a while for you to flourish, whether it be your partner, or family, or paid help. And that's where it get's tricky, finding someone who is willing to support you. I talk a lot about my husband, but I do because I wouldn't be able to do anything I do without him. He's my rock and my support, and he gets food on the table, and he takes the kids to school, and keeps them when I'm in meetings early in the morning or late at night or at conferences. My parents and his also help too, but it really does take a village. I hope you find your true love and that he will be able to support you in your career, if that is where you want to remain. Fighting!
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Thanks @ally-le! I can only write a short response, but that was a good and thoughtful read?
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Not "?" just "." ^^
OldLawyer
September 10, 2018 at 8:00 PM
Ally, what you said is very true and all I can say is "Amen".
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OldLawyer
September 10, 2018 at 7:56 PM
Please pardon me for being long-winded (of course, I am a lawyer...) but I really thought that my first response was too rushed. Now that I am back home from the office I wanted to add a little more to my response regarding bullying. After thinking about it I realized that it might be helpful to suggest that you watch a different K-drama- one which has the greatest and most accurate portrayal of what a successful lawyer acts like and how a good lawyer thinks – and who turns out to be a woman. Her sense of style also absolutely rocks (as good as the female lead in Misty- which is saying a lot). But it is her confidence and refusal to be bullied under any circumstances and the way that she carries herself that I would watch. You will have plenty of opportunity because this was a weekend family drama entitled Father is Strange- and one of the writers either was a lawyer or that show had the greatest technical adviser of all time. Her name is Byun Hye Young (played by Lee Yoo Ri) and her character is the best portrayal of a good lawyer (male or female) that I have ever seen (of course there is a backstory to her refusal to be bullied). Ma Yi-Deum is good- up to a point- but she is impulsive (which is why she gets stabbed in episode 6- instead of waiting for ten minutes for the police to show up. Byun Hye Young would have thought first- and realized that the culprit would not know they were there yet, would not be able to get past them in any case- and would have waited those ten minutes for the real professionals to show up. Byun Hye Young always thinks before acting- and her opponents know this, and it terrifies them, as it should. I wish that I could suggest that you imitate her clothing style but I do not know India well enough- and you would have to make a lot of money first in any case. But if you can act like Hye Young- and be kind whenever you can- there are probably no limits to how far you can go.
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greenfields
September 11, 2018 at 4:37 AM
Thanks for the recommendation - I haven't seen this show! Will check it out.
Actually, I don't really look to drama characters for how I should be as a lawyer - there are plenty of women here IRL who're excellent role models. My question to you earlier came exactly from my observation of them - that most, if not all, are unmarried. Yes they're older now (hence I say well-established, celeb lawyers/attorneys) and from an earlier generation but it's frankly sad for me to see what is required from women vs what is required from men. I hope that with my generation, we'll see women who, like their male counterparts, are able to succeed in this profession as well as have partners and families if they want.
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greenfields
September 11, 2018 at 4:43 AM
(though I did love Ma Yi Deum. ^^; I'll check out the show!)
37 bong-soo
September 10, 2018 at 6:00 AM
Thank you @greenfields for this great post and I wish for you much success in the law. This is a beautiful example of the idea that "every person (in this case a kdrama-WITCH'S COURT) is entitled to defense".
I finished WC and it was my least favorite drama of 2017. I was so annoyed at the way Prosecutor Ma Yi-deum (Jung Ryeo-won) treated junior Prosecutor Yeo Jin-wook (my boy Yoon Hyun-min). Ugh! Crazy but I think took her treatment of YHM's character personally like he was a family member. LOL.
Anyway as an ahjussi I am kind of dense and generally don't pay attention to clothing so your post was a real education. Count me in a loving the snoopy shirt! Good luck.
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:03 AM
On the drama itself, I was pretty much on her side the whole time (in the episodes that I watched) haha. ^^;
Thanks!
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38 LawStudentMinion
September 10, 2018 at 7:06 AM
Wowww! This post is an actual life saver. I am a law student in India and will be joining the work-force (drone-life, basically xD) next year. As a first generation lawyer (same!) with no real female professional role models to look up to, I was so worried on what my office looks should be. This seems like a fit, though I must admit - I have also not seen the full drama xD
More than the helpfulness tho, I do feel a sort of kinship on finding someone from my profession and my country here. ^_^ Yayie, K-drama xD
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greenfields
September 10, 2018 at 8:02 AM
OH! Hahaha - law firm baby, are you? Or corporate house baby? If you're also from my law school/college, we can just say we're the same person a few years apart, *high five* each other and hope your work life & career are far better than mine. If not, all of the same still applies as well. Good luck!
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LawStudentMinion
September 11, 2018 at 1:35 AM
Law firm baby yes - of the alphabetic firm xD Oooooh! Which college are you from? I am from the eastern NLU :P Jut your existence gives me so much hope. That it is possible to even aspire for some semblance of a work-life balance here xD
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greenfields
September 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM
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greenfields
September 12, 2018 at 5:19 AM
Hehehe me too! We may be from the same place then.
I wouldn't say work life balance but I hope you enjoy what is to come. :) Good luck!
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39 astromantic
September 10, 2018 at 8:21 PM
This was a fascinating read, thank you for sharing @greenfields!!
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40 NIds
September 11, 2018 at 3:01 AM
You are an Indian, As a fellow indian i know exactly what that means, so you are already a witch since you ve dared enough to enter the Man's world. Now what s left is to be a bad ass sexy, 'I mean business when iam talking' witch left.
Good luck !!
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41 spicykimchi
September 11, 2018 at 5:39 AM
Congratulations on being published @greenfields! What a great read. I love your snoopy shirt! It's hard to stand out in a sea of black and white, but you're doing it one cheeky shirt at a time!
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42 Kindred Spirit
September 11, 2018 at 10:24 PM
What a great read! Thank you for sharing your experience. I love Jung Ryeo Won but I haven't watched Witch at Court yet. I do know she won an award for her performance. I can't relate to your fashion dilemmas cos we only just wear scrubs where I work. Lol. I love the snoopy and birds shirts. Keep doing you. :D
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43 Cocoa, The Fake Poet of February
September 12, 2018 at 1:22 PM
I loved this @greenfields unni ~ Since I started Father is Strange the lawyer unni has become my mental image of you, somehow. She's always dressed fantastically, never takes any s*** from anyone, and is fiercely loyal. I kind of want to be her ~
Here are gifs of her talking about the statistics of being a first generation female lawyer in Korea ~
Also she did this during a dream/fight sequence
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Cocoa, The Fake Poet of February
September 12, 2018 at 1:22 PM
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greenfields
September 13, 2018 at 7:56 PM
Hehe thanks for the fantastic mental image of me. I'd like to be more like her too. ^^;
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44 mjfan
September 12, 2018 at 3:53 PM
I love your post
I just wish you posted a photo of yourself rocking this style
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45 Madkdr
September 16, 2018 at 3:00 AM
Awesome post. We are restricted to black and white although there are those out there who challenge the boundaries with grey and dark blue. In the higher courts it’s possible to hide under the bibs and robes though. But most rarely do!!
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greenfields
September 16, 2018 at 5:28 AM
Hahaha - clothing is one restriction. And yes, people don't often try to work around it. Funny story: A lawyer I know adopted a hairstyle that stood out, Until he was apparently told by a Judge in open Court that it had to go! Admittedly the lawyer was very hippy - long, curly hair tied up in a pony tail, scruffy beard of long, curly hair. But such an order was a bit much. Anyway the poor fellow got it done that evening.
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Madkdr
September 16, 2018 at 9:21 AM
There are some really unreasonable judges. We have had a judge ask a lawyer if she had on Long sleeves under her robes. She said yes though she had on a 3/4 sleeve blouse. She was told off!!
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46 Mimu
September 16, 2018 at 6:19 AM
@greenfields It was an amazing read from the start till the end.
Though I have not met you but while reading the post I'm forming a mental image of you like Ma Yi-Deum. I loved her character and dressing style. (I love formal clothes *__*) It was classy yet simple not like Lee Da-Hee's character which I can never imagine a lawyer wearing in our country.
And your Shirt is too cute. I seriously love your shirt. My favorite color white and the snoopy and flamingo.😍😍
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47 Waiting for Seunghyun
September 18, 2018 at 11:24 PM
Hey greenfields I have no idea which part of India you're in (hello from Bangalore!) but I LOVE the idea of you in court in your Snoopy shirt wherever you're practising. Long may k-dramas continue to inspire you ha ha!
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greenfields
September 19, 2018 at 12:42 AM
Hi! I'm from a big city to the West hahaha - you can probably guess. And thank you so much! Nice to meet you, fellow Indian Beanie!
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