i can see perspectives of both groups.. can’t justify but can totally see and empathize ,,

But, my takeaway is very different – more on reality of things than morality or sociology or anthropology

At the bottom of it everything is tied to money
– Ao3 retaliated by targeting what would genuinely hurt their oppressors. Reality is, you hurt where it can hurt – you hurt fans through what they love – so how do you hurt what they love? undermine his credibility to rake in money

– dramas and ads dropped him because he could risk revenue

– XZ couldn’t do much because this was linked to his livelihood
– others in support could not openly support because that might affect their livelihood as well with retaliation

– govt must have been truly happy to distract attention from corona

– jealous ones leveraged the opportunity because now they could grab away opportunities for him

– fans had to purchase more because they had to ensure money keeps flowing in incentivizing no one to drop XZ

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I honestly think celebs should be very clear of their own value proposition.. if you attempt to act too nice then you are going to fall short of your own yardstick..

fans need to be kept at bay and shown their place too – i know a celeb.. he is so cool.. it is amusing.. to his fans he is clear that if you like me, that’s your problem 😛 and i am also going to use it to my benefit.. but don’t dare come to me trying to dictate my life (in essence not in those words really)

@alasecond yes, sad reality, but very true (at the end of the day the bottom line is ONLY money!!) … If XZ wants to survive in this business he should learn from this incident… as a celebrity or public figure you cannot be too naive or too nice and always keep the peace… It’s even harder to keep those values when you’re working in a not very democratic environment…

… continued from above

I think he really believes that the CoVid situation is way more problematic and required peoples’ attention and concern more than the online conflict that he was pulled into unexpectedly and unwanted. It’s not to say that the lives hurt in the whole AO3 situation are any less important, but it would not have helped if he did anything anyway, because in this whole situation, it truly was a situation where it happened because people were choosing to hide behind their computer screens to spread negativity and to be mean just for the sake of being mean, and anything he could’ve said or done at the time would have been twisted and the chances of the situation getting worse was a high possibility because of that

As far as know, even if he wanted, he couldn’t freely support AO3 writers or the content that cause all the ruckus… There are tones of fanfics written about The Untamed actors, specially Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo and their relationship (it’s crazy how the number of fanfics are still growing even after about a year!!!) … What if some people in name of Xiao Zhan or other actors’ fan condemn a fanfic… How can any actor prevent their so-called fan from doing so… Anyway I just hope that Xiao Zhan’s fans learned their lesson and never put him in such a position that makes him to apologize for something he had zero control over…

I don’t think it was really about giving a statement to either support or not to support AO3, I think the frustration from people about his slow approach to dealing with the situation was that he didn’t even put out a statement or a letter of concern for those who physically got hurt (mostly due to suicide 😰😰) as an implication of AO3 closing down. I think people expected him to—and even felt entitled to receive 😒😒😒— give out a statement, at the very least, mentioning those people, but he chose not to. Again, I think it’s because he knows that if he did do that, it either would not make a difference or his words would’ve been twisted and the situation would have gotten worse because, at the time, no one saw his side and his perspective of the situation because he was not physically hurt… What people didn’t see—and maybe CHOOSE not to see— is the mental and emotional hurt that he, and his friends and family, received which shouldn’t be made any less important

As for the official fan clubs, I have no idea about others but in the fan club I’m in, there’s no such thing as hierarchy. There are certain groups of fan that takes initiative in contacting the label when it comes to concerts, since there’s a time where fans raises a slogan to show appreciation to the artist. In terms of the membership , there’s a payment to the company, you get a kit (with pictures or magazines or goods), benefits like presale for concert tickets, a chance to join a music show as an audience and other benefits depending on the company. So basically, the company has a fan club manager(this person belongs to the company and not selected w/in the fandom) who deals with things related to the fans activities.

As for things done in behalf of the idol, it depends. It could be an individual or a fansite both with a great following that usually starts a project or something.

If I’m not mistaken, popular actors in SK have their own fancafes too — as for this, I’m not sure how the community is since I’m not part of any.

@neener

Thank you for the explanation and clarification !! 👌🏻👌🏻

Yea, I believe that, sometimes, silence is the loudest way of speaking

Thanks for your comment… at least I can understand the mindset of people who think Xiao Zhan is to blame as well… considering that the AO3 closure was government level decision, I believe Xiao Zhan couldn’t prevent the situation without making it worst… his studio did ask everyone to be reasonable and avoid any extreme behavior, and of course take care of themselves (means take the epidemic seriously and avoid more hurt)… but the AO3 closure was out of anybodys’ hand already… he would have been attacked no matter what he said… because people look for someone to blame and Xiao Zhan was the easiest target for everyone (they used his fame to show their own rebellion against lack of freedom)… As much as I’m angry at fans for doing thing in the name of their idols, I see Xiao Zhan as the main victim if this incident… because AO3 authors & audiences can easily find a new platform for their fics (they’re all hidden behind their PCs anyway)… the only person who really got hurt is XZ and his family

@persianrose

Just my thought, but i don’t think it is right to judge how important something is for someone..

you are you, i am i, 3rd person has his own thought process..

So when you downplay importance of a forum like ao3 and look down upon it , dismissing it as not being important or worth any value/easily replicable.. that may not be right..

Many people have invested over the years – formed their friendships (as you might have on dramabeans example).. if someone was to take away your forum, you don’t know how that will affect each one the members, right?

No dear… I’m not downplaying the importance of a forum like ao3… actually I believe such platforms are very important specially for free speech and creative writing and innovation… I’m just saying the attack on someone who has no power to prevent the ao3 closure was not fair… let’s say you lost the most important thing in your life, no matter how frustrated you are, you shouldn’t attack someone who hasn’t cause nor has a power to prevent it… also don’t forget the fact that the original writer whose fic was reported was a XZ fan too… on other words both parties in that fight were initially his fan (another reason he couldn’t side with any party)

“Everyone knows that no one wanted to go after XZ” Actually I believe they attacked him with all their might… it was not just momentarily anger or frustration… the attack was very organized and quite consistent… they wanted him to retire and never show up ever again… the intial fight that was in between a bunch teenagers fans ended up in a very organized high-level attack… this is just my own observation as an outsider