Beanie level: Wrongly accused fugitive

Unfamiliar Family ep 1

The boyfriend cheats for 3 years and her best friend knows about this. She finds out and breaks up with both of them. Years later she meets former friend and apologizes to him kkk. People from SK must have some different ideas about loyalty. And once again Kim Ji Suk chooses a boring drama.

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Born Again – ep11

@linda-palapala @zzthorn

When I thought this show could not get any weirder it does this kind of thing. This episode redeemed the show from boring last week but made it even stranger. I wonder if anyone has any theories?

Should we even try to get an explanation? Was Gong Ji Chul some kind of immortal creature? How? He was shot in the head and somehow arrested, hanged and still survived and later drowned? Is psycho fiancee his daughter? No, that was just poetic license? How would the writer even know he would escape? I should have thought someone would get amnesia! I guess the gangster kidnapped CBJ and convinced him to kill prosecutor? Why? He could just use any thug, why bother taking care of him for a year? The cop is back! Genius! That reunion with older cop was hilarious.

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    One of my problems is I’ve never bothered to learn anyone’s name, so usually I’ve no clue who they’re even talking about! But which scenes are just from her book? Which scenes are real? Is it Wuthering Heights or Count of Monte Cristo? Who’s the bad guy? Are there any good guys? Is what’s-his-name just misunderstood? Is this show really good or really bad? Is it re-incarnation truly, or resurrection, or does someone with an agenda keep rescuing him? Is this mytery or supernatural? I’m going nuts. I’ve never been so clueless about a show. But that’s what I like…

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      Oh, yeah, and a lot of fans are going to be really made if she doesn’t end up with the prosecutor, but I think that would be a cheat ending. Can’t imagine how this is going to have a decent ending that will satisfy everyone.

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        I want them to be born again in another future, it would be my favorite choice for the last episodes.

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    Maybe: maybe Jang Beom is a clone? Maybe there are two clones? Or maybe one is an AI or a robot? I wouldn’t be surprised if they throw that scenario in.

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    I haven’t watched today’s episode yet, so I haven’t read through these posts yet so as not to get confused (hahahahahah—that was a joke) Anyway, I think the writer for this show is doing some serious drugs and has lost track of any sense of reality. Reincarnation is out the window with this. This is something else entirely. But, I am still watching and definitely looking forward to the craziness each week. This is definitely not a show that is predictable by anyone who is even half way sane.

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    @Lixie I have been watching from the beginning and still am unsure of the plot or the direction this show is headed. I assumed that the scenes of Gong Ji Chul escaping from the prison reflected the narrative the crazy author had written and not reality. Honestly, I cannot understand how he survived the shot to the head and then being hanged in prison. It just seems way to far fetched (and that’s saying a lot with this drama).
    I did like the scene where Hyung Bin takes possession of Soo Hyuk’s body. I assume that the former has completely taken over now? Poor Soo Hyuk!

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      Heh? Is this coming up (I haven’t watched the last episode it isn’t subbed yet). Even if it comes up I probably won’t get it. This has to be the least linear story ever told.

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        @Linda Palapala It was yesterday’s episode. Sorry for the spoilers! When you watch please let me know what you think is actually going on!

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          @sirena Finally finished 12. My take is they’ve been reincarnated with the spirits/souls, whatever, to solve the mystery of the 80s murders and deaths. Once they solve the case, find the guilty party, the original souls will be at rest, so either the modern trio will die or their own consciousnesses will come back and they can live normal lives. Who ends up with who is a big question but one I don’t really care about.

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            @Linda Palapala That sounds very plausible. I honestly am not terribly invested in the characters so I too couldn’t care less who ends up with who.

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      @sirena This was an interesting idea but I think the answer was in episode 12. I liked the cop better so I’m glad he’s returned and we can have ressurrection and some time traveling because we didn’t have crazy enough already eheheheh.

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        I still have two episodes to go, but I wonder if the bookshop “Old Future” is a clue.

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        It’s almost like the present incarnations were empty shells. Now, I feel like they are getting more personality.

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        @lixie I almost expect a certain level of crazy with this drama. Still, the latest episode was the best by far.

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        @lixie The cop may have been a nicer, more pleasant guy to get along with than the prosecutor, but hey, I like the hairstyle on the prosecutor better, so I’m for the prosecutor. And with this show, perhaps the hairstyle is more concrete and stable than any of characters, the action, or the plot so far. (though I did notice in the latest episode that he was also messing with the hairstyle a bit, too— go figure)

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          Perhaps cop and prosecutor have fused, resulting in our new “compromise” hairstyle.

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            Yes exactly, cop and prosecutor together achieved the superior hairstyle. 🙂

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TWOTM ep 16

A perfect ending. It’s so uncommon for kdramas to even manage to have decent endings that I am very surprised. I thought it would be good but nowhere near this. It’s also a lesson on how to make open endings that respect the story and exist to send a message and not to be a twist or to please everyone who might get anything they want out of the unsaid.

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TWOTM ep 15

It was a good episode but I’ll be honest, I thought these people had learned a thing or two. It was a hard choice to make SunWoo be the most cruel of them. Even after the last events JY and Jenny became pawns in their parents fight.

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Extracurricular ep 10

I’m not against open endings but that was just lame. Again characters making all kind of choices that don’t match their history or personality.
Does anyone know where was that last place? Is it Seoul?

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    … hnngg
    I actually liked the ending. It was thematically consistent.
    “Again characters making all kind of choices that don\’t match their history or personality”
    Could you expand upon this? From your POV?

    I personally thought the whole point of the ending was how actions have consequences and how one moment of irrational, or fear or helplessness can effect everything. How desperation can lead to worse and worse decisions being made, even when it’s not actually what you want to do.
    The way I see it they had 3 options for the ending:
    1. total annihilation, both leads die because their choices lead to irreversible circumstances, depressing as shit, their actions ultimately destroy them.
    2. a glimmer of hope. redemption is seen through a window. Jisoo turns himself in. instantly the weight is lifted from his shoulders. he takes the fall for everything. Gyu ri leaves alone.
    or,
    the one the chose to do, which I see as a combination of the two:
    3. they are lost, and they can never go home.
    Will they keep making decisions that spiral out of control, till they became like the brothel owner and her boyfriend? Will they become ever more toxic and dangerous for each other? Or will they get out? Will they make it through? Will they learn from their mistakes? We don’t know because right now, they are lost. They lost themselves and they are lost from everyone else. It is tragic yes, but it’s supposed to be.

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      Hey Sicarius! Thanks for your reply!

      Yes, I felt the idea for the ending was something like that but they could have achieved it in a much better way. I like any kind of ending really, as long as it makes sense for that narrative. My favorite endings of kdrama are probably 49 Days, which most people hate, and Reply1988, which is still a bit controversial. You talked abou a few possibilities of endings for Extracurricular but I remember imagining dozens and yet felt the chosen one was more of a cop out than a proper ending. There are characters that can just vanish and it’s poetic, it’s part of the message and the story being told, but I don’t think JiSoo was one of those, or Guyri. He’s been through a wild ride and we barely knew what changed in him or if anything at all, when he finally decides to turn himself in we don’t know if he’s finally questioning his moral choices or if he’s just feeling guilty about the teacher or the death of Mr Lee or if he’s just tired of hiding. We don’t even know if he’s the one who called help for Minhee or if he just left her there and what he thinks about doing any of that. Since the show did so little character development for the leads I thought they would at least give a proper closure to tell a story because this whole “bad decisions lead to worse actions” has been there from the start. This is the kind of story that needs to show us those consequences. And we can’t even be sure they are “lost” as you said because the story hasn’t been realistic from the start. The mobster got stabbed several times and suddenly had just an arm sling so Jisoo might have a passport hidden somewhere, got instantly better and fled to another country! He’s happily picking fruit somehwere while saving money to go to college in Sydney.

      About the strange choices that don’t match the character’s personalities. I like all characters for being complex but don’t feel any of them was realistic, their decisions are dictated by the necessities of plot instead of natural consequence of their situation and personality. JiSoo is supposedly smart but he hides piles of money in his house, personal information on the work phone and doesn’t even bother changing the password to the apartment. He doesn’t know how to open a cafe door, or buy his own coffee, he doesn’t think to give Gyuri an excuse before running away, he calls the cops but instead of any other complaint he uses the minor working at the motel. Is that how a person who manages that kind of service would act? I’m not saying he can’t be inexperienced or socially awkward, but he can’t be so dumb and sloppy if he’s living that double life for over a year. One minute he acts docile and passive around the teacher and the other he is some evil mastermind pimp telling Minhee to choose if she wants the client to get beaten because he can’t pay the fine for his actions. I kept thinking, make up your mind show! Who is this guy? Then I thought, ok, nevermind! It’s kdrama so they … cont.

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        It’s kdrama so they can’t go all the way, he gets to be mean but also cute. It doesn’t work that way but it’s very entertaining so I’ll just not think about it, I’ll just take any crazy this guy does to keep the story going.

        This not thinking business isn’t easy though. They keep acting crazy, he yells at her on the street when she gets his money stolen but doesn’t take his phone! It’s right there! Then next episode she’s back to blackmailing him for it. Instead of getting her money as compensation for what she did he not only accepts her as a partner but doesn’t even agree on how much she would get for it. He also shows her where he keeps that locker, giving her access to Mr. Lee, the money and later keep secrets in that sofa. They both know the gangsters are after them and still go back to their places and even to school, they never get suspicious about the box or the money. Guyri never had any courage to argue with her parents but suddenly she gets information on a silly thing, (those guys from boyband? Easily fired from such companies) and blackmails them for a lot of money. They were very controlling but just comply with her demands. Minhee was a week person that only cared about being accepted in her world, she was upset about being fired but she never questioned Uncle’s way of doing business that is until last ep, when she suddenly decides she’ll go to the police even if JiSoo has already told her he will turn himself in. I know she wants to blame someone for Uncle’s death but it still seems very much out of character. Guyri and JiSoo helped her before, why would she go that far? She might not get arrested but she would also get some consequences, would it be worth it? Again, no problem, if her story had led her there, if this was really earned. And we get to JiSoo taking the phone and instead of breaking it he just keeps the evidence. And opens the door for Kitae, who got his address quite fast and simply disappeared after the fight. Why would he even open that door for anyone besides Guyri?

        I wrote too much already, guess I kept remembering how all that not thinking went ehehehhe. Maybe you’ll think it’s being picky but it’s a show trying to be in a realistic setting so the mind keeps expecting them to react as the characters being presented and it’s harder to ignore when they don’t.

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          Another explanation I forgot. That ending seems to have been made to please everyone, it can be understood so many ways that people who wanted them to get punished will imagine they are hiding and he’s maybe dead, while those who wanted them to escape can also easily imagine they are far away.

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Extracurricular ep 1

The premise is good but it’s a dark theme so when it tries to become cute it’s ridiculous. This guy is incredibly smart, he has great grades and manages a prostitution scheme but when he is around his love interest he becomes so shy he can’t open a cafe door. He doesn’t know how to pay for his coffee or give her an excuse before running away.

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    Oh, I loved the juxtaposition there that the pimp could sell women from the shadows with a fake name and voice but the teenage boy was incredibly awkward with a girl in person. I thought that was believable.

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      If he had just been awkward yes, it would have been amusing but it wasn’t just that. He lived a double life and had to lie a lot for more than a year, his job included exploring teenage girls and controlling an adult, it wasn’t enough to be intelligent he had also to be street smart to do it, which he proved when he called the police. However when he talks to the teacher and that girl he isn’t just awkward, he is docile, almost passive, and clueluess, it has no logic.

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Where is the next ep of A Couple’s World?
Does anyone know another crazy show like that? The only other kdrama I remember was even close was Money Flower, which was rather good. Any others?

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    it airs friday and saturday…

    watch the original british drama on netflix, Dr. Foster… a bit different but ACW is the korean remake.

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    I can recall 2 mystery, revenge, whodunit dramas that I have watched…

    1. SKY Castle is somewhat like TWOTM, but in a different setting involving families, their children and a tutor.

    2. The Last Empress. An empress plotting her way to get revenge. It kept me eager to know what happened next.

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      Thanks! I watched those. Sky Castle was pretty good, Last Empress not so much because I didn’t care for any of the characters after the first eps and they were not very realistic.

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    The only one I can think of is Secret. Have you watched it?

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Beanies, I’m trying to choose an old drama, which one is better?

Mr. Sunshine, Nokdu Flower, Children of Nobody, I Remember You

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    From those, I’ve only watched Mr Sunshine. It’s beautiful – I mean, really really pretty: all the costumes, locations, set design, even the actors, everything in it is a feast for the eye. The cast is amazing and the story is also interesting, but it’s totally black and white (Japanese=bad, Koreans= good, excepting a couple of despicable traitors)… And it gets a bit draggy in the middle.

    Would I recommend it? Yes, if you like sageuks. Also, it’s the only one I’ve got to watch from this period, so that was interesting for me too… I’ve read somewhere that Nokdu Flower is from the same period, but I know it’s a cryfest and haven’t been feeling like watching too much heartbreak lately, so if you watch NF in the end, let us know what you think about it!

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    1. Mr. Sunshine
    2. Nokdu Flower

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    Children of Nobody.

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    Definitely Nokdu Flower.

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    I remember you or Hello Monster is a good one. Children of Nobody a really good one, the other two I didn’t watch, but from beanies reactions and GIFs it looks like Nokdu Flower was really really good.

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    I haven’t watched them all but I Remember You has the most memorable Park Bo Gum role for me. IMHO it is worth watching just for him.

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    I’ve only seen Children of Nobody and I Remember You because I’m not the biggest fan of either KES or Sageuks.

    Children of Nobody and I Remember You are both good and both worth watching. I Remember You is an easier, possibly more enjoyable watch. But the drama has flaws while the writing in Children of Nobody is almost flawless. I’d recommend both but watching I Remember You first and Children of Nobody second.

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    Thank you @flyingcolours @marina @1tea1 @midnight @kerouregan @moonbean and @leetennant for your replies! I’ll try Remember You first because of the cast and maybe for being lighter and easier at this moment!

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      I’m one of those people who always disagrees with people on books and dramas, so I have to apologize beforehand for giving alternate opinions.
      I got bored to tears with Mr Sunshine before 10 minutes.
      I hated I Remember You for many many reasons. Like it is on my most hated shows ever list.
      Children of Nobody was GREAT until near the end but ended terribly terribly bad. I just get angry thinking about it.
      Nokdu Flower is the only saeguk I have watched in a long time. I only started it because of Jo Jung Suk. It is the only show I can ever count as perfect and flawless. But it was a very difficult watch. I always rewatch shows I have loved at least 20 times, but I know I will never be able to rewatch this one.
      There! I had tried not to write these in my first comment but I guess social distancing loosens your tongue! Now I said it all!

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        You’re making me curious! Please don’t apologize for disagreeing! I don’t think anyone hated more popular dramas than me and I never apologize for that. kkk
        I want to ask why you hated IRY but I don’t want any spoiler so maybe later! I’ll confess I did try Mr. Sunshine for 2 eps but I wasn’t really interested in the characters, since many people loved it, I kept it in my list. I think I’ll try the other 3 and find out which one wins.

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    Children of Nobody and Nokdu Flower and great.

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Someday or One Day – Ep 13

Another small rant.

This show did many things right and others have already posted all about it’s good qualities so I won’t say much about those. It’s all true. But it also tricked me, which is why it deserves a mini rant.

If you haven’t watched it yet and you’re in the mood for some time travelling romance, go do it now. There will be spoilers below.

The show started really slow, taking a long time to tell me in a dozen different ways how much FL missed her perfect boyfriend, though I liked her, I felt bored by the repetition, but at least I thought this was the kind of story that cared about exploring feelings in detail. The pace finally picks up on ep 3 and then it becomes funny and intriguing, the interactions between the characters were charming, cast was good and the many possible outcomes made it unpredictable. The only thing bothering me was a mystery that would become a bigger issue later. Where was Chen Yu Ru? She’s trapped in a box somewhere and the story forgets her for a long time, maybe to keep the audience from questioning HYX’s actions. Later, when their positions are reversed, CYR is almost presented as a villain simply for acting in her own body, though she was wrong to deceive others using HYX’s memories.

So much of what made me like this drama came from the fact that the character’s behaviour made sense, I don’t mind the craziest fantasy element or an entire alternate universe, in fact it’s my favorite type of show, as long as it’s believable. In SOOD it lasted until the airport scene. I know it’s a hugely unpopular opinion but I didn’t get why LZW would ever board that plane. It seems he never even considered where was the real WQS and if he had any right to destroy his body. Supposedly he died at that beach. But even ignoring that, merry happy people don’t just kill themselves without even trying other options. The 2 versions of LZWs could easily have convinced HYX to travel to the past. And even if younger LZW had killed himself, original LZW had no reason not to tell her everything before those 2 years.

After that, show spent too long on the awkward villain. I’m sure the writer felt the plot twists around him were very clever but he never really belonged in that kind of story. Even worse, the scene in which older LZW chases him and gets killed was so absurd that a dramatic moment turned into a cheap plot device. Any TOD would have made a better job.

When psycho is gone ep 12 finally gets back on track, CYR gets all the attention and it’s a great moment until it’s time to explain her murder. The last episode proves how useless the psycho was by perfectly explaining her reasons to make that choice, he could have just as easily been a product of her imagination. The only problem was the logic of the events. Did MJJ go to jail for finding a dead body? And later he jumped from the same place, for no reason. HYX said it was because he couldn’t save CYR but as she said herself, he barely knew her, she was just a fantasy and he had already spent many years in jail.

In a way, this last ep was a representation of the entire show. Great but flawed. The decision of the FL to erase the tape and give up her chance of being a part of their shared past and possible future was brave and touching but how can the same story come up that and forget to explore the consequences? CYR had a problem, she wasn’t just a troubled teenager, it’s shameful how dramas ignore mental issues and that was another example, instead of therapy she got a new way of feeling from a dream. It’s also never explained if she ever developed any feelings for MJJ or anything else about her. The loyal best friend MJJ, was also ignored, all it’s said is he remained friends with LZW. The original WQS gets no mention. The leads meet again and somehow fall in love but there is not a hint of how this happened, almost as if it was their fate, which doesn’t really fit the main story making the ending seem something rushed and incomplete.

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    @leetennant
    if you’re still curious
    I guess it wasn’t such a small post, I tried kkk

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      No, thanks for posting. It’s nice to get other viewpoints.

      I will say one thing though – HYX and LZW do NOT end up together. The show makes that clear. With the timeline linear and intact, he is an adult and she is a child. They do not fall in love.
      The problem here is that, for whatever reason (unexpected popularity, the issue with the last episode getting leaked, whatever it was), the network decided to make some slapdash additional scenes as cheap fan service. It contradicts the rest of the show and I don’t consider it canon. This show was a metaphor for HYX moving through her grief and moving on without LZW. They don’t end up together, they do end up living their lives despite that. And that is what happened in the show itself and that was the point. I haven’t seen the additional scenes and have no interest in them, I’m pretty sure they just ruin it.

      TBH if people wish to interpret that final scene as opening up the possibility of their future romance, then I get that. People will, just like some people insist on trying to read romance into My Ahjussi.

      As for the other points, I actually liked the use of an antagonist. At first I was taken aback (the last thing this needs is a psycho villain) until you get to the punchline of that – the psycho villain was nothing but a red herring. The real villain was HYX and her selfish grief. The real antagonist was CYR’s feelings of isolation, abandonment and self-loathing. I liked that bait and switch myself. “Oh you thought this was about some psycho? Think again! It’s actually about how we feel about ourselves in the world after all!”

      You can save someone from another person, you can’t save them from themselves. And that applies to MJJ too. He failed to stop CYR from killing herself so when the police – who already suspected him – found him over her dead body they arrested him and he didn’t defend himself because he felt it really was his fault.

      And while there was no quick fix, HYX “solution” was not just the dream CYR remembers – it was her waking up to the knowledge her family didn’t abandon her and the fact she didn’t have to spend months of her life being told constantly that people liked her better if she was someone else. The things that took CYR from being a depressed teen to being outright suicidal never happened to her. Does this mean she’s “fine” now? No. It just means she has a second chance without that traumatic experience. Which is true of MJJ as well.

      Let’s not talk about poor bloody WQS.

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        @ElleTea, the psycho as red herring is an interesting perspective, but I’m still not sold on the idea. Maybe if he wasn’t so extremely psychotic, it would work for me (I was really surprised by the twist of his older self talking his child self into madness), but he was a bit too much, wasn’t he?
        I really like the way you explain MJJ’s and CYR’s struggles. Makes sense to me!

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        @leetennant
        They don’t ? I was considering it as fact since the extra scenes were official, I was already thinking the bike ride in the end was hinting they would eventually find each other and the birthday moment was just fan service to make it obvious. They were around 15 years apart but they could still get together, when older LZW meets HYX for a brief period, they seem to be a couple again.

        I had the same thoughts about the psycho being more interesting as red herring, which is why I wished he had taken less space and been just an invention of CYR, all his scenes with any other characters are pointless, he would be like a ghost, but audience would only know that in the last episode.

        You think MJJ would falsely confess? That’s also a surprise, I’d never imagine that. If it was LZW, yes, maybe, because they had such a deep friendship but never for CYR. He seemed too honest and the grief and guilt he would feel about his grandmother would not allow it. If they wanted to go that direction CYR and MJJ had have another story.

        I think maybe I like the show better if I go with this version, I don’t really usually like open endings unless there is a very good reason. Maybe some days I’ll remember one ending and other days another eheheheh.

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          “Extra scenes” aren’t the show. The show ends when it ends.
          As for MJJ he doesn’t need to confess. Evidence that incriminated him was found at the first scene and then he was found over her dead body. All he has to do is not say anything and he goes to jail.

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            The ear thing? She explained about that evidence, he was cleared of that. There was no motive. If he doesn’t say anything he might just be in shock, who would put a kid in jail just for keeping silent? Though I know nothing of Taiwan’s legal system kk.

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          TBH what I really liked about the show was the lengths they went to to constantly have LZW and HYZ on the same level. They were always around the same age, always on the same level. To end it with the implication an adult man is waiting for a child to be legal just completely undermines that. God I hate this idea so much. It’s so Goblin. It’s so gross.

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            No, it’s nothing like that kkk. Besides he wouldn’t be waiting for her, the past was erased. I imagined the situation as @13infamyss described, they met again as adults much later.

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    Pssst, @Lixie, I see you’ve been giving this a lot of thought, I guess it means you really enjoyed this drama, gripes and all. I really liked it too! I’m happy that you shared your thoughts, because I’m dying to talk to someone about SOOD, yay!

    I’ve also been thinking about some of the things that you’ve pointed out, like why did old LZW wait 2 years to tell her… That’s actually an easy one: he needed to wait until 2019, the year she told him she came from – he was respecting the timeline he painstakingly put together with all the info he could gather.

    About WQS getting on that plane, same reason… if he doesn’t die, she wouldn’t have met him in the past, he takes it as the price to pay for the whole story to be set into motion… Ok, probably a real life person wouldn’t take that decision, but it makes sense within the logic of this world… I guess we like dramaland people because they make all this noble selfless stuff real people would never.

    Personally, for me it’s harder to wrap my mind around the fact that there were two people alive at the same time sharing LZW’s personality, like, wasn’t it supposed to be in one body at a time? Again, that means that old LZW spent 20 years pinning for the FL and not once did he try to get close to her… Because he wanted WQS (that is, himself, but not him) to be with her and he respected the timeline – that’s real commitment to the timeline! 😋

    Agree on the psycho guy being annoying and a bit random – like, was it really necessary to kill off the other girl for the drama to go forward? Hate it when women get killed off just to prove the point that the guy’s a loony. On the other hand, if he didn’t kill old LZW, HYX wouldn’t have made the final trip to the past? It was shocking and unexpected.

    Finally, I feel that the original WQS was criminally brushed off. Like, CYR got to be in the box and learn about what was going on – actually, I think that it is an accurate metaphor for depression, that feeling of experiencing things but being removed from the world – but WQS simply disappeared. I understand that one more character would introduce more quandaries to the show, but I really feel that they could have come up with something for him…

    Like @ElleTea pointed out, the show doesn’t tell what happens to the characters after their memories dissolve, so we really don’t know. I prefer to imagine that those 3 kids really become good friends and CYR gets better because she’s not alone anymore and has support to start figuring things out. I also like to think that sometime in the future adult HYX, after a couple of lame relationships, will meet a dashing older LZW and they will feel like they’ve known each other all their lives and fall in love forever and ever 😚

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      he needed to wait until 2019, the year she told him she came from – he was respecting the timeline he painstakingly put together with all the info he could gather.

      Good point Fly Colours. Li Zi Wei did say in episode 4 that he had waited so long and he was about to mess it up when he read the text messages that Huang Yu Xuan sent to Wang Quan Sheng. I had forgotten about this bit as to why he had been thoroughly following the timeline…. and this ties back again to what he said in Episode 10 that in theit latest loop, he had stopped changing the course of events and was careful not to mess anything as per Huang Yu Xuan’s story from 1998 and his time travelling experience.

      Personally, for me it’s harder to wrap my mind around the fact that there were two people alive at the same time sharing LZW’s personality, like, wasn’t it supposed to be in one body at a time?

      Huang Yu Xuan at 6 and Hu Yu Xuan’s soul in Chen Yun Ru’s body existed at the same time in 1998. So when I saw the two Li Zi Weis met (Li Zi Wei in his original body and his soul using Wang Quan Sheng’s body as his host), compared to most beanies, I wasn’t really that taken a back. I had accepted it as a rule of this dramaverse. And I’ve seen this same bit happened in Tomorrow With You as well. They ran into each other briefly (the time traveller’s last and future self) and talked about something.

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        Good point, @13infamyss! I was also thinking if the “dreams” were really alternative repetitions of events and how repetition influenced LZW’s decisions

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      @flyingcolours
      Yes, I really liked it for the most part, sometimes I talk so much about what I question that I don’t say anything about what was great. I am trying to fix it but I don’t know if I should, maybe it’s just my personality kkk.
      I’m picky, like I told someone here these days, I’m probably the pickiest Beanie ever, which is probably why I don’t like when characters do any crazy noble acts they would not do in real life. About the waiting, I keep trying to come up with a reason they couldn’t change the loop and tell her everything 2 years sooner but there isn’t anything telling me she wouldn’t get the same results.

      I asked about the 2 LZWs on another post and decided to just accept it. It kind of makes sense, almost kkk. Yes, the older LZW waited for her for 15 years, I’m glad he was erased with the tape!

      Yes, I wanted original WQS to be in box too, maybe he could have been sent to the future in my country where he would feel a lot better.

      That’s exactly the ending I thought would happen, HYX and her lame boyfriends, LZW as a dashing older bachelor. 😛

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        I don’t know about you being picky, I guess that it’s ok to think about what you’re watching instead of passively taking everything in… I tend to get super critical about the shows I enjoy: I totally get a lot crabbier at inconsistencies in those than in shows I consider not so great to start with. I guess it’s all got to do with expectations, right? Anyway, I really enjoyed the SOOD ride!

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    RE: Li Zi Wei letting Wang Quan Sheng get on that plane – they’re all stuck in a loop. And that included Wang Quan Sheng’s body that had to go missing from that plane crash over and over again everytime the cycle repeats. As Li Zi Wei kept emphasizing on Episode 10 – he didn’t want to leave Huang Yu Xuan’s side, he knew everytime he was on his 7th year living as Wang Quan Sheng, his death would always have to come. Everytime he decided to propose to her and stay with her, he was always a step late and she had left for Shanghai. And the tragedy happens again cuz he ends up following her to Shanghai. He couldn’t stop this vicious cycle. Li Zi Wei in 2017 had that same mindset that he needed to die so the loop repeats until something is changed in the past.

    Li Zi Wei in 2019 did mention that when he finally stopped trying to change, a small change did happen to his 2017 self. And that gave him a hope that if he had to change one thing at a time, the loop may break.

    To me, 2019 is still part of the loop because in order for Huang Yu Xuan to go back and change something, Li Zi Wei had to die…. Of course, the 2019 Li Zi Wei did not see this coming and the reveal that the shrink was part of this mess was not part of his timeline chart because he was already dead just after he had discovered the shrink’s involvement

    The only problem was the logic of the events. Did MJJ go to jail for finding a dead body? And later he jumped from the same place, for no reason. HYX said it was because he couldn\’t save CYR but as she said herself, he barely knew her, she was just a fantasy and he had already spent many years in jail.

    Mo Jun Jie did not say anything against his charges because to me he felt incredibly guilty that he couldn’t save Chen Yun Ru… Also this was dated back in 1999 and a setting in an asian country. I think it’s safe to say we have seen enough asian dramas to conclude that the police tend to wrap up cases as fast as they could. There was only Mo Jun Jie covered in her blood – did they really need to investigate further if he had admitted to his crime?

    As for him committing suicide – Mo Jun Jie, like Chen Yun Ru, is not mentally stable. He is not like Li Zi Wei who could move forward, stay positive, whatever happened. Li Zi Wei could go through infinite loops of dimensions just to find a way to break it. He could wait forever just to get his timing right and meet and fall for Huang Yu Xuan all over again. Li Zi Wei’s high emotional intelligence is admirable just like everything is about him.

    But not Mo Jun Jie.

    Mo Jun Jie’s grandmother’s death on top of Chen Yun Ru’s death, the girl he fell in love with, became the trigger of his suicide….. it makes sense to me.

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      CYR had a problem, she wasn\’t just a troubled teenager, it\’s shameful how dramas ignore mental issues and that was another example, instead of therapy she got a new way of feeling from a dream. It\’s also never explained if she ever developed any feelings for MJJ or anything else about her.

      She said it was a dream, but my take on this was, she had a near death experience. According to testimonies from who had experienced it, things change and you see life at a different light post-NDE. Now I am not taking her depression lightly and not that it can be easily changed, but when she talked about dream, NDE came to my mind. And tremendous things like NDE/Out of Body experience can cause a change for someone.

      And I personally do not need to know more about Chen Yun Ru or whether she had fallen for Mo Jun Jie. The fact that she’s alive and will work hard to find her purpose in life is good enough closure for me.

      The leads meet again and somehow fall in love but there is not a hint of how this happened, almost as if it was their fate, which doesn\’t really fit the main story making the ending seem something rushed and incomplete.

      I do not understand why the “leads meeting again and somehow falling in love” ending doesn’t fit the main story? The title itself is Someday or One Day. The English literal translation of the title is “Wanting to see you”. To me the ending ties back to what “You’ll be back to me someday. One Day.” means.

      They have said their goodbyes as the time travelling lovers, but they eventually had found their way back to each other because they were simply meant to me. Nothing need to be forced or manipulated, as I quote from E. It’s fate.

      The chorus of the opening song was so fitting with the epilogue.

      Impossible to stay away. Impossible to stay. You’ll be back to me someday. One Day.

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        I think I felt it didn’t fit the main theme because they spent so long trying to break the loop, to change destiny and in the end the happy ending relies on fate, it seemed ironic. Although drama did hint at the leads being fated to meet when LZW found the child HYX.

        Thanks so much @leetennant @flyingcolours and @13infamyss for all the long replies and for helping me understand the show better and for being patient with my questions! 😛

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          To me, she had learned throughout these infinite cycles that there is more to it than trying to get back what already was lost. Ultimately she needed to move on with life and not dwell in the past. That to me was the hard lesson for her. Two beautiful people ended up as casualties when she did not move on. When she realized what actually needed to be done (like move on with life), She ended up saving three people’s lives, four if we count Mo Jun Jie’s grandmother.

          As cheesy as this sounds I believe in karma.What goes around comes back around. She got something good or perhaps better for doing the “right” thing, so I def enjoyed that epilogue. Huang Yu Xuan getting her own HEA.

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      @13infamyss
      I know I’m being stubborn about the loop. Maybe I’ve watched so many time traveling stories I keep trying to impose rules on SOOD, like they should have some proof she couldn’t go before.

      About MJJ I replied above, but it was pretty obvious her death came from the fall and it would be impossible to know if he pushed her, unless he confessed which I don’t believe he would’ve done.

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Someday or One Day ep 10

Hey Beanies watching this, can you maybe explain some things that happen in ep 10? I was so confused I decided to ask before the end of this ep. I think somebody else already tried to explain it to me but I forgot.

possible spoiler for ep 10

When the 2 Li Zi Wei’s are talking at the airport, how is that possible? I know we had 2 Huang Yu Xuang in the past but it was different, the little girl was in her original body with her original mind and CYR existed with the traveling mind of future HYX while the real body of HYX was asleep. I thought we could not have the same mind from the same body in the same timeline because how would one mind become two? Every time future HYX woke up she lost the body of CYR in the past and returned to her own original body. So we have LZW’s traveling mind taking the body of HQS and his own original body asleep somewhere, the moment he woke up he would have to regain his old mind and HQS would recover his original mind. How do they become two?

Also, if LZW knew about the plane crash why would he buy the ticket?

And too many major scenes are just being skipped for suspense in the last eps. HYX woke up and we didn’t get the change in CYR, and we don’t know exactly what happened with CYR or MJJ yet. It’s becoming too confusing to keep liking it the same way. I’m going to continue watching ep 10 but I doubt they will explain this.

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    After more of ep 10

    Wait, WQS got on the plane and killed himself and let all those people die so he could feed the loop??? Why not just show himself together with future LZW and convince her to go back? Even after he dies, why would original LZW wait those 2 years if he could just show up and tell her everything?

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    There are two LZW because one is the LZW originally in that timeline and the other is LZW from the past in WQS’s body.
    He bought the ticket because he wanted to follow HQS to Shanghai but he remembered what HYX told him about WQS’s death so he realizes the plane is going to crash.
    Older LZW told him he can’t save the people on the plane but he can save himself by going on the next flight.
    But WQS realizes if he never dies HYX will never go back to the past and the past LZW will never meet and fall in love with her and she will never meet all those people in the past who need her and possibly save MJJ and CYR.
    WQS and LZW are different people in reality there is no reason for HYX to believe they are one and the same and I doubt she would want to go the past even if she did.
    An older guy saying he is the man she loved who was the same age as her would sound far fetched if she never experienced it herself.
    These are all my interpretations, could be all wrong.

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      Thanks!
      I still don’t get not just tell her. He had more than enough proof. They are different? the whole story is based on the fact they have the same appearance, that alone would be enough to convince anyone and once they told her 2 people would die and LZW would never become WQS and meet her as she knows him, she wouldn’t think twice.
      He’s not really so old, I think he was 37 when WQS died and HYX was 25, he is easily still the copy of her boyfriend.

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        Same appearance doesn’t mean same person. When HYX travelled back in time, she just knew that this LZW in the past was not her bf, hers is WQS, who was 6 or 7 at that time. She did not go and fell in love with LZW just because he had the same face, she just had the feeling that they are the same sometimes and tried to test him several times. She only confirmed that they are the same person after seeing the drawing LZW did was identical to the one WQS did in 2010. Even then, she still didn’t know exactly what happened, she still needed older LZW (who only can show himself at that moment) to explain everything to her. That he got into an accident in 2003, jumped into WQS body in 2010, lived as WQS until 2017, had a plane crash and his mind jumped back to 2003, two weeks after the accident. His body was in coma for 2 weeks, but his mind had lived for 7 years in the future. Then he continued to live as LZW from 2003 to 2019, binded his time until HYX came to the conclusion herself that LZW is indeed the man she loves. This is time travel, it’s very unlikely someone would believe this man who is completely different, only has the same face is the same person. They are not the same person, the one she loves is one and only LZW, she just didn’t know until now. She had to experience it and realize the truth by herself for her to believe it.
        Since he lived from 2003 to 2019 as LZW, there had always been 2 LZW living in the same space during 2010 to 2017. One in WQS’s body, one in LZW’s body. Same as HYX, there were 2 HYX for a while in 1998, one in little girl’s body, one in CYR’s body.
        About his decision to board the plane, LZW knew he would die, but he also realized that his death was the reason for HYX to travel back in time, for them to fell in love at the first place. He also needed to go back to 2003, so he would had the chance to save MJJ in 2008. Older LZW appeared to tell him that he can be selfish and board another plane, so he could survive and live with HYX. But young LZW still made the decision to go back because he wanted to try and save his friend and gave themselves the chance to fell in love all over again. He saw older version of himself, that’s why he was confident that there would be one version of himself in the present for her.
        Sorry this got so long, but there is so much to unpack 😅

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          Yes, of course, I didn’t mean they were the same person in the past. However in the future he has the exact same face and he is almost the same because they are both LZW. The whole plane plot is useless, if your bf shows up with an older copy of himself and tells you the whole story she would believe him. And MJJ could easily be saved by HYX going to the past.

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            This is the question about whether you want to maintain the time loop or not. LZW’s choice (given to him by his older self) is to die and maintain the loop that brought them together or to break the loop without knowing what would happen next. It’s the same choice that HYX had later, except that in her case she chose to break the loop. LZW chose to maintain it.

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            @leetennant He was smiling. I can’t believe he would choose to die just to keep the loop exactly as it was. Let’s remember that particular version of LZW would die and he knew it.

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            But if he doesn’t maintain the loop then their relationship disappears. Their relationship is entirely dependant on the loop. He’d rather die and spark the loop that brings them together then live and for the whole thing to be erased. As frabby said on my blog, they weren’t together despite the terrible things that happened – they were together BECAUSE of them. If they avoided them, the time loop breaks.

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I had to sign up so I could use the fan wall again. I do not enjoy blackmailing.

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    Use Firefox.

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      I do but the offer would always be there unless I signed.

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    Sign up for what? A box? You don’t need to do that. Just get a better ad blocker.

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      No, just sign up to get the promo but I still think we should have the option to just say no thanks.

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      So THAT’S why db has been soooo slow the past few days! I’ve always used an ad-blocker so I don’t see a popup but the page loading has become snail-slow and most times it times out and I have to refresh.

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    I signed and then immediately unsuscribe.

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Nagi’s Long Vacation ep 9

This is such a lovely drama! Every character feels real, I want them all as my neighbors. Except the parents. Nagi is already one of my favorite female leads, she is just adorable. Her evolution was so nicely done and her ex boyfriend’s too. The actors are great, subtle and so expressive. Also every time it seemed this show was going towards a cliche it turned around and proved to be better and really original. Every episode was a good surprise.

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Chocolate ep 5

Why does Kang allow rich family to treat him like trash? I know I should not be asking for anyone’s reasons for much in this but maybe there was some explanation? Is he planning some secret revenge?

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    I thought that was it at first or also because his mom gave up so much. Now I wonder if it is as simple as that he likes being a doctor. That he wants to be the top surgeon. I dont think we will know until he opens up to someone.

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      He can work anywhere, he already had a good reputation before. After his issue he can still work on other places, why obey their orders and go there? I don’t even know she is there either.

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    My take is that he’s carrying out his mom’s wish for him to be successful and to assert his right to the family fortune. What ever the reason, it’s not worth it.

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      You could be right. I hope though he would assert his rights, not as form of revenge but maybe build a foundation or charitable institution.

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      Yes, that’s what I’m thinking too. It’s just such a materialistic and stupid idea, he could have obeyed them only until he got the means to have a nice career away from this family. That would be understandable but the need to prove himself to a crazy woman because once his mom associated the idea of happiness to being rich is absurd.

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TharnType ep 10

Everybody cries and Tharn gets punched again. What’s with this guy, he is a magnet for trouble, even his best friend is a moron but not of the harmless type. This could have been interesting, if show wanted to explore how nice people have to careful, especially if they are pretty and charming like Tharn, because they attract all kinds of weirdos. Instead we got this boring plot with TarTum, they were already the worst part of LBC and here they are yet again, for no reason. This show already has 2 leads victim of abuse and doesn’t really deal with that so why bother with yet another? Besides Tar is too young, any kid trying to have a romatic relationship with an adult gives me the creeps. Well, at least Type kept his cool and didn’t punch anyone, though Tharn’s fake friend deserved it.

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    I would not call him a magnet for trouble because that falls very close to victim blaming. He is not a well rounded as he think he is and he is stuck in suck a cycle that there is no sign of it breaking. It is sad, honestly.

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      Yes, I wasn’t trying to blame him but it’s no coincidence. His issues make him unable to deal very well with P’San, or Type’s problems, guess he doesn’t know exactly what’s abuse or what is to take advantage, which in turn can make him the aggressor as he “almost” was with Type in the first eps.

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        I’m just like… the Tar plotline is supposed to be about trauma due to sexual assault (and that’s what the show is supposed to be about?) but instead this entire episode is just Tharn not coping or communicating and Type being a jealous violent baby (but at least he wasn’t the one to punch Tharn this time).

        I found this episode contrived and annoying actually. Why would Tar pop up suddenly the second that Lhlong told Type about him?

        But I had this weird moment when Type at the end is like “I’m going to sort that kid out” where I was like, “YES GO TYPE” even though that behaviour is not acceptable and he’s a violent baby but, hey, if there’s one person in this show that Tar should be talking to it’s Type.

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          Yes, that episode was contrived, from Tar suddenly remembering he wants to go back with Tharn and being so pushy about it to Lhong talking about him. Maybe it was just a long excuse to make Tar and Type talk about a similar experience. Anyway, after this and The Effect, I want my BLs to forget this plot for a while!

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Chocolate ep 2

If annoying brother had made fun of Cha-young for her crazy obsession with a guy she met once as a kid, I’d have forgiven him for the bottle. And the pink suit. I mean, she is a loony so far, she is dating his friend, he seems like such a nice guy, and just because this other guy was kind to her once as a kid, she needs to run off to Greece. However this is written by the writer of Nice Guy so this should explain any absurdity.

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    That’s what I’m trying to understand. Why she’s so in love with him. I get that he somewhat inspired her career choice. I get her having a crush on him at that point in time but I don’t get where this love comes from. She didn’t even REMEMBER his name!!! Maybe a lot of her falling in love happened off screen and they’ll show us in the upcoming episodes. It’s one mess after the other but it’s YKS and I must persist!

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      It didn’t, take that moment when they are playing in the snow. She is just standing there totally crazy because of Kang, the guy she knows nothing about, she has been pretty honest about that. I think she must have some issue because of what happened to her family and became a bit delusional, but this is melo and show acts as if she was just a regular person.
      I do confess ep 2 was absurd but fun, unlike the first, and that cliffhanger has a makjang vibe that appeals to me.

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Chocolate ep 1

What a bad first episode, one cliche after another and not even nicely done. Childhood small conversation that leads to an adult calling that kid her first love, incredible coincidences, awkward dialogue and yet another plot about a family competing for the approval of an annoying rich elder who owns the company. When will kdramas EVER get tired of that? I will watch second ep only because it seems Jang Seung Jo gets a chance to use his melodramatic skills, but guy deserves better.

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Hey Beanies, any good recommendations for a drama with many feels, crazy dramatic? But still good?
I think something like that would be useful after this Untamed thing.
Probably best if it’s jdrama or even cdrama because I must know about the kdramas and already tried them. Better if it’s not historical unless it’s something like Moon Lovers, which means it’s about relationships and not political intrigue.

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    Arsenal Military Academy!

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      I second this recommendation 🙂

      AMA gives you plenty of feels and crazy, and it’s about relationships. The historic backdrop is just that, a backdrop. Caution: the first episode is a bit of a mess, so give it 4 episodes to decide if you like it.

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        Yes, I used to love gender bender but I’m still in ep 1 of AMA because I can’t with the singer being carried away by the ML as his introduction.

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          The first episode is bad Lixie. I stopped there too. He did sth bad again in ep 3 but then that’s it. From ep 4 the show picks up and by the 6th you’ll find yourself liking it. I was perplexed too because I didn’t want the hero to be a harasser but maybe they tried to show him a bad boy, which you’d eventually find out he isn’t really. It is crack and the male lead does become very likeable.

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      Thanks!

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    I’m rewatching Room No. 9. I loved it the first time around.

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      I think the only body swap kdrama I watched was Secret Garden something about this theme is weird though I love fantasy, I like the cast though, will try!

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    Kill Me Heal Me is pretty dramatic with feels

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      Yes, Ji Sung with multiple personalities, watched it! 🙂

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    Cdrama: “Journey Of Flower”, “Princess Wei Young”, “Princess Agents”

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      I have a law against any show called Princess because of Princess Prosecutor, the most terrible show ever kkkk. But these are cdramas so they deserve a chance.

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        Yaaaaassssssss 🥰🥰🥰 My mom watched and rewatch Ed “Princess Agents” a few times and I did a few rewatches of “Princess Wei Young”… Both are very female forward/empowering dramas, unlike “Prosecutor Princess”

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    I just finished One Sprig Night which had a lot of feels. Just Between Lovers, Come and Hug Me also have a lot of feels and are very watchable. If you want a more youthful vibe, Sassy Go Go is my go-to, but Dance Sports Girls is also excellent. Lingerie Girls’ Generation is another favorite. These three are also all pretty short (12 eps or less). For a quick hit, I adore the drama special If We Were a Season and it’s subbed on KBS’s YouTube channel.

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      Also the C-drama Le Coup de Foudre has a lot of feels but not a ton of angst and is really lovely.

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      Thanks! I did try JBL and Come Hug Me but that wasn’t my style, watched Sassy for the friendship but also did not like it, Lingerie on the other hand was adorable! I will look for the special!

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      Every time I see Just Between Lovers written anywhere Inhave to fight the urge to put it on.

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        This is fair. I feel like this is one of those dramas that you either like or don’t, but if you like it, it really gets under your skin. I couldn’t stop thinking about it for days after it ended. And I get why it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but I will always sing its praises.

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    A House On The Slope is about mothers and how they deal with taking care of their children, how people around them influence their mental health and how they are perceived as mothers at work and by their family.

    Dakara Watashi wa Oshimashita is about an office lady becoming a fan of a female idol and they both end up creating a bond.

    And, Live has dramatic events happening in every episode so it’s a bit hard to summarize it. But somehow, the story didn’t feel too over-the-top as we follow both leads life (more focused on the female lead tho) and their hard times. The cinematography is really good too!

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      I have known about And, Live, people say it’s really good. The others seem interesting too, thanks!

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        You’re welcome 🙂 The plot itself might not suit everyone’s taste because of the sometimes overdramatic events.

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        Stranger or Forest of Secrets is a favorite too. Very well done

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    this is so out of whatever you want.. but if you are in for just the feels.. go for tharntype

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      I did! I’m around ep 7 but I stay for curiosity only, don’t really like these guys. It mostly feels like they have this checklist of ideas and actions and they have to do it fast, nothing seems real in them. Take ep 7, Type has just got a boyfriend and he still curses all gay people like a madman, Tharn has just got a boyfriend, whom he knows is still fearful about being gay, and he already wants the guy to meet his family! Could this happen? Sure, they can both be that crazy, but it’s not done in a realistic way. And I hate the funny noises for every joke! Wait, sorry I wrote so much ehehheheh.

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        lol.. i am in for a very specific feeling 😛
        and within that context.. this is fun enough for me to wait for mondays!

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A Small Untamed Rant

Here we go again. It had been so long I liked a drama like that, I forgot what it was like after the finale. Somebody might think the 50 episodes or the fact the last 17 eps are so messy, would make it easier. It doesn’t. It’s the opposite, the long duration only gives more time to like the main characters and the crazy eps only make a person think of all the things that should have been there.

Maybe I should not even complain, if most dramas only have 16 eps, it’s like it managed to be good for twice that long and then it just became like a common drama. But they got me fooled by being great for before! I guess it does deserve a rant.

When people said it would take 33 episodes for the drama to go back to the present storyline I thought it would take forever. They forgot to say it was the best part of the drama. After such a nice story in the first part, I keep wondering if more people were not also a bit annoyed at so many anticlimatic moments and boring sideplots. Maybe the charismatic leads and their relationship makes everybody forgive the rest, or maybe they feel the rest was just fine. But what about the two villain’s terrible bad acting? All the important scenes that are never shown or things that don’t get explained? Secondary characters not being explored unlike the first part? Old characters not having their resolution? When you think about this, the best scenes of the second part don’t make up for it. I could also talk about the leads going different ways but since this goes into the friendship vs. romance discussion, and censorship, I guess I can’t blame them much for that.

I guess for a small rant I’ve said a lot. Besides, it’s kind of a happy rant because unlike all the other shows that made me write similar things, this won’t be easily forgotten, and much like it’s lead, it did make what seemed impossible. A new favorite.

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    If I had to nitpick at one thing it would be the resolution for Wen Qing. She deserved more than just an off-screen death. She deserved more than just having her death be explained in flashback…..

    Her character resolution felt so empty and unfeeling when, imo, she was one of the best characters ❤️

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      Yes, she did, but at least her character had a nice arc, I can’t say the same for her brother.

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        Her brother, Wen Ning, started off as the sick sibling who never bothered to discover for himself a purpose in life, but after meeting Wei Wu Xian, being saved by him (multiple times), and becoming his friend, I’d like to believe that he found purpose in being a protector to Wei Wu Xian, which is significant in times when slave-master/bodyguard-master relationships were a thing 🧐🧐 And it felt refreshing that Wei Wu Xian actually never treated Wen Ning as anything less than a friend, whom he also encourages to go and be free to find his own individual purpose by the end of the drama 🥰

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          His arc in the past was great and we knew from the start he would make it to the second part of the drama. However, in the later part, it felt as he was there just for a few jokes and to find Sizhui, the way he had to be himself as this “ghost” in the world and what that meant, was never really explored. Instead of going away I imagined it would have been better if he had died protecting AhYuan or JiLing.

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    The drama most definitely is not perfect and has its issues. But I still desperately love it ❤

    When I was watching I didn’t know how many ep. would be spent in the past. Initially I wanted them to hurry and get back to the present timeline. But by the time they did get back to the present, I already missed the past timeline 😅 but I love both the past and present parts of the drama.

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      I wish the past eps had been even longer but they needed to resolve things in the present. If it’s not too big a question and if you can’t talk about drunk LZ or a few other nice moments, can I ask what was that makes you like the present timeline equally?

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        I mean, the main story was from the present so would have been weird to have just the past (the book for example is from the present with flashbacks to the past). But most of my favorite scenes are from the present timeline. I love LZ and WY relationship in the present, the juniors, the overall mystery, the resolution for WY, loved Yi city arc, how LZ stands with WY on koi tower steps, the confession of the golden core at lotus pier, people realizing WY is not the evil villain everyone thought, and the last 5 min. of the whole series. It’s hard to not talk about my favorite scenes because my favorite scenes are part of the reason I love the present timeline.

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          I guess for me the big mystery wasn’t very mysterious at all, we knew who did it all, and it took many long speeches and much time for the bad actors. The Yi city arc was slow and still managed to be rushed. The Lotus Pier part was very good though I still don’t know how people were surprised by it since we also knew what happened. The leads relationship was still the best thing but I expected they would develop it more, the nicest thing was how they become this duo and feel as if they have been together for ages, however I wanted some big moments, like LZ finding WY is back, whenever he got his body back, the reason why LZ knew it was him, and others. Instead we got not only one but two scenes in which they have to make sure the censors are pleased because these guys have nothing else to say to each other and have to go different ways. Yes, I know that isn’t the official explanation. 🙂

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            We’ll have to agree to disagree 😆

            Though on how they didn’t know about his golden core. How could they know? We knew because it hinted it to us but those characters didn’t have the same hints. In the book LZ suspected WY’s Golden core was damaged but not that he gave it away. No one would have thought that because the idea of giving away your gc was so unfathomable to them.

            And I forgive the drama because they did what they could despite the censors. I think they still managed to show a beautiful love while also avoiding the censors. Could it have been better? Definitely, but they had to work within the confines of the censors. Ultimately, even though the drama had issues the drama managed to evoke intense emotions in me no other drama has managed to do, and that was a result of the combination of the past and present timelines, the drama as a whole is what makes me love the drama 😁

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            Yes, but thanks for the replies your take is very interesting.
            I meant how the beanies didn’t know because it had been explained before.
            I have to agree about the feels surely! Very few dramas have this kind of intense story, true love and complex great leads.

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      Yes!! Once I got hooked in, I didn’t even notice when I had reached episode 33 and back into present time ☺️

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The Untamed ep 43

Why was LZ punished? In the novel it’s so easy to understand, he did it to protect WWX but in the drama I didn’t get it. What was he even doing there and the others?

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    Partly for standing with WWX at Nightless City. But ultimately it was because after WWX died, the sects all went to the Burial Mounds to make sure he didn’t escape, and LZ stood against all of them to stop them from searching the Demon Subduing Cave (where WWX lived). He was punished for ‘standing against the majority’ as Lan Xichen says. This is probably also when LZ found the almost dead Ah Yuan.

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      Thanks! I think this could have been better explained there. It felt a bit anti-climatic. LZ would have been finally challenging his own clan and it’s not shown, I know it happens later again, but it was such a moment for him. Also WWX’s reaction seemed a bit too cold.

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        Well, it does show LZ standing against the sects when LXC is telling WWX what is happening and why he has the whip scars.

        Even though I absolutely love this drama and is my favorite drama ever, I do admit it isn’t perfect and has its issues.

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    Because he severely hurt 30 Gusu Lan Sect seniors to protect WWX body (I think he was unconscious but still alive) in Burial Mounds (he then dragged back to Cloud Recesses after he lost all his spiritual power, and hence received the punishment)

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      That was in the novel but it happened a bit different in the drama (since WWX committed suicide at Nightless City).

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        I might be confusing the drama and the novel, but I thought he still injured 30 Gusu Lan Sect seniors including Su She to protect WWX’s body!!

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          No one found WWX’s body in the drama. JC had searched many times but only found his flute. And if he injured any of the Gusu Lan Sect members in the drama it’s not mentioned that I can recall. When it shows LZ blocking the cave at the Burial Grounds in the drama, no one looks injured or hurt except for LZ. I assume he went immediately to the Burial Grounds as it’s the same injury from Nightless City.

          In the novel, LZ took the injured WWX away to a cave to help him recuperate after he was injured at Nightless City. When the Gusu Lan Sect came LZ seriously injured 33 of them to protect the injured WWX. He was later taken away and whipped 33x. And iirc WWX was alive, but he was basically sunk into madness and delirium as he just kept whispering ‘get away’. This is also where LZ confessed to him. Which later causes relationship issues as LZ and his brother both thought WWX was aware of the confession but WWX remembers almost nothing after Nightless City (so didn’t even know LZ had rescued him let alone confessed to him).

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            I certainly mixed things together!!! The drama is super vague about the events after the Nightless City (does WWX body fully disappeared because he commited suicide??!)… I thought nobody found WWX body cause LZ took the injured WWX away… also they mentioned the 1st siege of Burial Mounds few times in the drama… if there was no WWX body there, what was the point of Burial Mounds first siege?! Anyway, either the drama is very ambiguous or I confused the drama vs. the novel!!!

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            I wonder how he found his flute, he had it when he fell.
            I think they were smart deciding LZ would go there to try to find him, I just wish they had showed us the entire scene because it would have been important. The drama version in which WWX chooses to jump and LZ tries to save him was much better for dramatic effect.
            I have to find that part in the novel again I did not know LZ confessed anything then and if WWX was mad how could he have listened. Besides LZ wasn’t dumb, it was rather easy to understand when WWX returned he didn’t remember or know many things, he would never have acted silly and joked about some things if he knew.

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            @persianrose Yaaa. The drama doesn’t really explain much at all. In the novel his body was basically ripped apart and scattered (which was also vague as everyone says it was JC who killed him but WWX insists it was because his powers backfired and killed him. But he had also confessed that he doesn’t have any memories after Nightless City so who knows what actually happened) but I think due to the censors the drama had to keep his death and how he returned pretty vague. I’ve actually seen some theories that he didn’t even die. But what I think happened in the drama is this (since some is vague this is more my own thoughts):

            WWX falls down the cliff and does die. JC goes down to make sure he is dead but cannot find any body, only old bones and his flute. Since no body was found the sects can’t confirm or deny if he is alive or dead so they go to search the Burial Mounds. LZ goes there to prevent them from searching. I don’t know if this was done thinking he was alive or done just out of love to stop everyone from trampling what was left of what was WWX’s home. While there LZ finds Ah Yuan. LZ’s uncle is furious at him standing against all the sects and punishes to 300 beatings + 3 years confinement. But ultimately, until he returned 16 years later, the last time LZ saw WWX was when he fell down the cliff.

            @lixie You can actually see the flute falling before him, but ya his whole death was kinda vague.

            And here is the chapter Chapter 99. And he may not have outright confessed anything but this was from the novel:

            “With the ways in which he looked and talked to you when he saved you and hid you in that cave, even someone who was blind or deaf could perceive his feelings, which was why my uncle was in such anger.”

            And than this:

            He suddenly felt terrified. If Lan WangJi didn’t know that he couldn’t at all recall what happened in the few days after the massacre at Nightless City, if Lan WangJi thought that he knew about his feelings all along, just how horrible were the things he did after he came back?

            At first, he did those shameful, theatrical things in order to make Lan WangJi feel disgust and throw him out of the Cloud Recesses so that they wouldn’t meet each other again, going their separate ways. Lan WangJi wouldn’t have failed to see what his real attitude was. But even when this was the case… he still chose to keep him by his side, refusing to give Jiang Cheng the chance to approach and make things difficult for him. He answered all questions, granted all requests, indulged him and forgave him again and again. Even when faced with Wei WuXian’s myriad of almost cruel teasing, he was still able to hold himself from crossing the line.

            Then, back at the inn, when he pushed him away so suddenly, was it also because… he thought it was another instance of spur-of-the-moment presumption?

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            1- Re WWX death: In the drama WWX defines his death as a dream… I’m not quite sure what’s the buddhist belief of death… but he certainly didn’t go to the afterworld or become a ghost hence it’s like he was in a deep long sleep while nobody was able to find neither his body nor his soul… Could it be that his soul was hidden using his domenic cultivation power?!
            2- Re LZ receiving 300 beatings + 3 years confinement: it’s too harsh if it’s only for protecting WWX’s den!!!
            3- I cannot buy the idea of JC killing WWX either, JC held a deep love for WWX beneath his hatred, vengeance, and insecurity… he might be able hurt him (verbally and physically), but he’s never able kill him!!

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            @persianrose For his death that’s definitely a good theory! The drama was definitely vague about some plot points. Like WWX death. What happened to him between those 16 years? Or did he really die? Why couldn’t anyone find his body? I personally think he did die and was just a wandering spirit. And I think the drama purposefully left what happened to his body vague because, well, he comes back looking like himself so it might have been confusing if his body was found and destroyed? 🤔

            Ya, the drama for whatever reason felt the need to make the punishment ridiculously high. I mean in the novel the 33 lashes he received was already nearly a death sentence. And it doesn’t make as much sense in the drama since what he did wasn’t nearly as bad as what he did in the novel.

            I personally think what WWX said is what happened, rather than what everyone else claims (that JC killed him). His powers backfired and basically tore his body and spirit apart. WWX also claimed a few times that’s what happened so I feel like he was quite sure about his demise.

            I like hearing other’s theories and thoughts about what they think happened in the vague parts 😁 Shows how obsessed I am with this drama lol

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            @persianrose
            I like this theory too. I always thought his resentment or madness was so much, along with his powers, that he was kept in a limbo, dead but not gone, so MXY was able to call him back to life.
            I agree the change from 30 to 300 was ridiculous but maybe they changed the whip from novel to drama, which would make it easier to take.
            JC did kill WWX, LZ was still holding him, JC is very impulsive and had been suspecting WWX was doing bad deeds for quite a long time, this was just after the sister died protecting WWX, I believe he would go crazy and kill him just like he did, that scene was perfect for me.
            @trinpie
            I always felt WWX didn’t want to blame JC for his death because he still loved him but even if WWX jumped, JC still made the choice for him, in the drama WWX removes his hand to avoid dragging LZ to death with him so JC still made the choice for him, killing him.
            Don’t even get me talking about the vague parts of the drama! I’m still wondering about the evil curse that disappeared and their reunion in ep 33 and the crazy way he was just awake in his own body, without being shown LZ finding out his real body.

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            @lixie Oh I should have made it clear. When I was speaking of WWX death I was actually speaking about his novel death.

            But in the drama I agree it was partly JC fault. LZ might have been able to save him but JC caused WWX to throw himself to his death to save LZ. To me it looked like JC was either going to break the rock, thus tumbling both WWX and LZ down, or was going to cut their wrists.

            And yes, the whole curse thing was explained by a very vague single line. On my first watch I spent the whole rest of the drama thinking he was cursed lol So everytime he was weak I thought it was the curse

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    100% agree: “WWX chooses to jump and LZ tries to save him was much better for dramatic effect”. That scene was so beautifully made… I think it was the strongest scene in the drama vs. the novel… However the drama was so ambiguous about the aftermath of the Nightless City and st siege of Burial Mounds

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      LZ being there for his death I think made it more emotional and it was definitely one of the changes I preferred. Even though I love how LZ was willing to basically give up everything for WWX by rescuing him and protecting him in the novel after Nightless City, him not being there for WWX’s death felt wrong somehow.

      But I think with the drama changing the death and the timeframe, it made the drama timelines and plot a little janky and vague.

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    Episode 43, my dear ☺️☺️☺️ Lan Xi Chen explains everything On behalf of his little brother in that episode

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A small question.
When LZ comes back from the visit to Yiling he gets punished by kneeling during a song. Why? Unauthorized visit?

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    Wei Ying’s name was already in the mud at that time. During the sects’ meeting at the Carp Tower, he was accused on creating the fierce corpse and many other crimes. Only Lan Zhan and Mianmian defended him. LZ’s uncle was furious that LZ let WY escape at Qiongqi(in ep 27, the one where WY led Wen Qing and rest of Wen survivors escape) and reprimanded him. But he didn’t punished him then.

    So Lan Zhan is not supposed to fraternize with WY who is deemed to have gone to the dark side. No one knew he visited Yiling of course but you know how Lan Zhan is? He must have done it on his own accord – seeking punishment.

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      I feel like the story skipped some important steps and others that would have been very amusing. The sister went from getting closer to Jixuan to completely ignoring JC banning the younger brother she loved so much. Unless her thoughts will still come up next ep, but since a time skip happened I don’t think it will go there.
      I liked the scene uncle scolded LZ and wished for more of that, that older brother totally knows his reasons, where are the nice small chats they could have had? We don’t even know if LZ confessed he visited Yiling or if he just left without permission. Or his brother reaction to it. It all seems like censorship, we can’t think this is a guy missing his love interest, no, it’s just loyal friendship.

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      @lixie

      Firstly, they don’t need to show LZ admitting he visited WY. I supposed that might made it clear but we are to deduce it because that’s very characteristic of LZ. And it actually makes his later actions a lot more significant. I won’t spoil further.
      Lan Xichen is watching his brother and he’s concerned. That’s shown and you will see that LXC is one person who understands his brother most and it’s not without reason we call him the biggest shipper of LZ and WY. Again, you will see that in coming eps.

      It all seems like censorship, we can’t think this is a guy missing his love interest, no, it’s just loyal friendship

      I think if you have this POV, it’s going to be hard to watch or understand the relationship between LZ and WY. The entire show screams that it is more than a friendship in how the lines are cleverly scripted, directed, other characters’ reactions and most of all, how the two actors conveyed it all in their acting. The only thing they can’t do and did not do is to state it explicitly in the drama, for obvious reasons.

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        When I said all, I meant these little details. Scenes that seem they should have been there.
        I don’t mean their relationship of course. Like I said before, up until 29 they did an excellent job portraying their feelings while still avoiding the censors. I can’t comment about later.

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          Okay, I probably misread you again. I can be slow or not getting it at all.

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          This was adapted from the novel, and the novel didn’t go into this much depth of the past as the drama did. The novel was written in the present day with flash-backs interspersed through-out, rather than all in the past before going to the present like the drama. And some of the things of the past are learned from others telling WWX what happened rather then from his memory. It was all from WWX PoV so things that happened to LZ when WWX wasn’t around is what he learned from others telling him. This isn’t really about the censors so much as this was how the novel was. The drama did a good job filling us in about what happened in the past and diverges drastically at times from the novel to fill in the parts that the novel never talked about.

          As for the sister, one of the things I love that the drama expanded on was her. She had almost no presence in the novel except for a couple scenes.

          But ultimately, LZ had been grounded (remember how his uncle made him revise all the Lan sect rules? That was essentially grounding him) and he snuck away to Yiling to see WWX. That’s what he was punished for. And knowing LZ character he was probably the one who admitted what he did and asked for punishment.

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            I guess it was me wishing they had improved the novel a bit more ehehehe.
            There are parts I keep trying to find in the novel, like the Sunshot battle and it’s not there. I find the past and present shifts in the novel rather confusing sometimes.

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            @lixie Very little is spoken of the Sunshot campaign in the novel. You learn about most of the Sunshot campaign from Nie Mingjue’s perspective that dealt with Jin Guang Yao. Outside of those parts all you know otherwise is that WWX and LZ typically worked together but they were always arguing with each other (because LZ was worried so was trying to get WWX off the path he was on) which causes everyone (including WWX) to assume LZ hated him. And that WWX would dig up corpses all the time and raised a huge army to fight, and it was him who won most of the war because of this.

            And I personally preferred how the drama did it where all of the past was done at once and then you moved to the present timeline. Instead of the random interruptions to delve into the past like in the novel. Didn’t feel as smooth as the drama.

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            @trinpie
            Yes, me too! I thought the same countless times, the drama choice was much better in that aspect. I guess that’s it for me looking for that part when LZ plays for 3 days waiting for WWX to awake, finally finds him and says nothing and starts playing again. Such a funny and sweet scene.
            Again, thanks for all your explanations they really make it more interesting! 🙂

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            @trinpie What do we do without you? You are the BEST!

            @lixie trinpie is the person to go to when you have questions.She’s read the novel inside out, watched the drama at least twice(?) and she remembers all the details!

            I’ve only read 10% of the novel but I intend to read the entire thing soon.

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            @outofthisworld D’awww ❤️☺️ I sometimes feel like I probably come off as that annoying ‘know-it-all’. For whatever reason, the drama and novel is very vivid in my memory and surprised how well I remember them, especially with how fast I read and watched them. I guess they both had such a huge impact on me that I remember them so well.

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            @trinpie How can you think that?

            We need someone who is like a walking encyclopedia of everything Untamed. There’s a lot of details in this story and drama. Thankfully they are mostly coherent so watching it is very satisfying.

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            Hi @trinpie
            Is there any chapters in the novel that explain the things from LZ PoV ?
            I read a number of chapters (not from the first chapter 60-100 so far). I would probably read it all during my holiday…

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            @persianrose not really. You might get a couple sentences here and there but the book was pretty much all from WWX pov

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