Beanie level: Jang Geu-rae

Just watched start up ep 3, don’t know if this drama will be good by the end but I will always remember this episode fondly, I say if people are not interested at all, read the recaps and watch the episode anyway and have a good laugh.

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    Agreed. It sucks when a drama starts off so good and ends so poorly (aka Her Private Life). It’s been a rough 2020, so don’t disappoint Start Up!

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      Huh, I thought 2020 was a good year for dramas (might just be me though). I also liked HPL for its entire run.

      I can think of plenty of shows that lost steam as they went on though.

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        I think that I was SO disappointed with the Eternal King that I didn’t want to watch other Kdramas for a while. Tale of the Nine-Tailed is also pretty good too.

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          LOL, I think there were quite a few very good shows this year — Diary of a Prosecutor, I’ll Find You When the Weather is Nice, A Piece of Your Mind, Hospital Playlist — as well as some shows which, while flawed, I otherwise quite enjoyed — Flower of Evil, Do You Like Brahms?, Dinner Mate. Of the shows I’m watching right now, this and 18 Again are really really good.

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K-drama wikipedia pages now have nielson info about the number of viewers of each episode which is very interesting. It shows how ratings differ across timeslots like for example Monday Tuesday tends to have higher ratings even with lower number of viewers. As of now I have only compared a few tvn shows to check. I don’t use ratings as a complete measure of success because there are several shows that even with lower ratings generate more buzz but I guess I still realised that these numbers are not meant for comparison.

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Just finished mystic pop up bar, it was such an enjoyable watch. I loved the main trio and all the other side characters too. I know HJE is not everyone’s favorite but I feel she did a good job here also she looked so good, whether in her hanboks or casual wear. I know people compare it to Hotel Del Luna and they are really similar shows but the show still manages to feel fresh and I really enjoyed the fantasy world building. Anyway really glad this show was recommended to me by a friend.

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    I’m watching it too! Been watching it with my kids (that happened kind of accidentally, they caught me watching it and kind of hopped in on ep 3, and don’t seem to be freaked out by the “evil spirits”), and find it really enjoyable and heartwarming!

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    It is such a great show. I’m glad that you enjoyed watching it.

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    This was a surprise for me. I was expecting quirky and it is, but it is so heartfelt as well. Didn’t expect to cry and there were a few episodes where I was sobbing. Such a gem of a show.

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      I was expecting quirky as well and was shaken by how heartfelt it was.

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So I am currently watching it’s okay and I am really enjoying but it has some issues I want to touch upon and maybe even discuss here. I don’t want to be hugely negative about a drama I am liking so I will list some positives out as well.

The main thing I like about this drama are the main 3 characters, I love that they are multidimensional with firm characterizations. I like how the drama makes me think and analyze which is not something a lot of kdramas are able to do. I also really like the emphasis on perspectives in various forms which leads to interesting discussions. Like for example in ep 8 we compare GT and MY to Beauty and the Beast and I find it interesting how the show itself emphasizes on how we can interpret the development of their relationship. Is it built on MY’s dubious acts to get GT closer to her or is built on GT’s love and acceptance of MY regardless of her anti social personality.

However my main issue with the show is the psychiatric hospital, several people have pointed out how the staff seems to be biased against MY for no reason but even aside from that I have a few problems. Firstly the director who is supposedly famous for his job, which I don’t get at all because it seems MY is doing that job for him in this show. I love MY’s character and I understand her actions but I don’t like how the show presents her actions as solutions. It feels as if they are undermining actual therapy since it is MY’s actions that always start the recovery process, it reinforces the beliefs Asians have about therapy and therapists in a way. I would really appreciate if they show a patient who recovers through actual therapy and not by MY’s serum of truth. Second the staff is dumb, why would you allow a violent person to meet with his victim with only an incompetent nurse watching over them. If you have violent patients and are allowing violent visitors then the hospital should have proper security to deal with such issues.

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    I understand and agree with what you’ve said about the staff at the hospital and do wish that they would show patients going through and benefiting from therapy.

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    Agreed. I like the main characters and the cinematography but to really enjoy the show you have to not think much. Which director would do any of the things this guy does? Hire a problematic relative to teach a class? Suspend her and bring back also on whim. The staff is even worse and very unprofessional. The fact so many of MY’s actions turn out to be beneficial for the patients does feel contrived and it’s the same as the latest eps spending so much effort on her mother’s hauntings, it’s a way to make her character more relatable and likable. It’s a romcom, they feel they have to do it otherwise people would not ship the romance. It’s not my favorite choice for this plot but I understand and it works and many people like it.

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    The hospital and its staff are definitely weak links in this show. And, yes, I thought it was stupid that the violent ex-husband was allowed to just meet with his victim with no supervision. Yes, we got that moment when Gang-tae lost self-control, but I wish we could have advanced the plot in a way that didn’t sacrifice common sense.

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beanies who watch IOTBO on Netflix, was this scene in the episode?
https://twitter.com/kdramasnail/status/1277319319999754242

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    It wasn’t.

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      This is the issue I have with Netflix, they edit out important stuff. I happened to see this on Twitter and I was like how did I miss this?

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        The same thing happened during Arthdal. I won’t say it’s a Netflix problem, since they only air what is provided to them. Anyways, can anyone verify is the clip even shown on tv? Or is it a special clip for social media?

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          I’m thinking it’s a separate video because on the top, it had the “Weekly (Sat,Sun) broadcasts at 9pm”. They dont usually have that for the actual episode.

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            I think that might be the case too. But looking back at the first 2 eps, I think both Kang-tae and Moon-sung each narrated a story at the end of each episode similar to this. Maybe this one is just cut for time, since I don’t think it’s really adding much to the episode besides that Jae-su also cries reading it. Lols

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          The tweet says it’s an epilogue. I thought we were being robbed off a scene

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    No it wasn’t but thanks for sharing!!

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    It wasn’t

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    Nope it wasnt.

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    They shared it on their Youtube channel, The Swoon. https://youtu.be/_aGYrEcl-Vw

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I love it when Seo Ye Ji narrates anything, she narrates a summary of a story for like 2 minutes in ep 2 but it is one of the most memorable scenes.

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    the chemistry is killer..
    She is gorgeous in the role in all sense

    drama is soo good..

    Any theories.. anyone? – clearly whoever killed their mom also tried to kill or torture SYJ’s character.. that is why she rips butterflies apart.. killer has a tattoo?? (stepsister’s mom?) 😛

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    HER VOICE

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Watched the first ep of the new Kim Soo hyun show, I won’t give a verdict for now, it uses typical kdrama tropes which was a bit sad to see but the premiere also had some positives. The biggest one being the animation and the stories, things like that really appeal to me. And the next biggest positive was Seo Ye Ji, I just really like her, her character isn’t unique, in fact I thought of IU in hotel del luna in her very first scene but I really love how she acts and speaks, I found myself replaying even the most insignificant of her dialogue, she is just that magnetic for me.
The show can still end up being a train wreck for all I know but the premiere in itself was decent in my opinion. 7/10 for the premiere.
SPOILER
As for the childhood connection trope I feel it got cleared up today, so while the trope is there at least it might not be a last minute reveal to add conflict.

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I like Hospital Playlist a lot but I won’t really be sad if none of the pairings work out. I will be discussing my reasons here:

Ik Sun and Joon Wan: In my opinion the show never delves in to who they are as a couple, what are their similarities, their differences, we never truly see them confiding in each other and because we mostly see Joon Wan, Ik Sun’s feelings for him feel vague. I am not saying the show should do more for them, their romance is one of the many plot lines but because their moments seem so surface level, I won’t be sad if they end up going different ways.

Winter Garden: I love the two characters and I am rooting for them, but I don’t want Gyeo Wool to be the reason Jeong Won changes his ambitions. The show has repeatedly stressed on the fact that Jeong Won wanted to be a priest since he was young, however they have not convincingly shown that Jeong Won’s feelings for Gyeo Wool are greater than his longtime ambition. What I want is for Jeong Won to realize he is extremely happy with his current profession and that he wants to continue doing it and after that realization eventually pursue Gyeo Wool.
will continue in the comments

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    Seok Hyung and Min Ha: To be honest I am not exactly a fan of all the residents that are of the opposite gender being attracted towards the professor and I feel like Seok Hyung and Min Ha would show a great mentor mentee relationship, Min Ha has a lot of potential as an independent character too, so I want her plot line to be more about her journey as a doctor.

    Any of the Song Hwa pairing: I honestly prefer the Ik Jun and Song Hwa pairing, really the only resident professor relationship I am somewhat rooting for is winter garden. Chi Hong is great, I just like Song Hwa as his mentor. I like the idea of Ik Jun and Song Hwa but I am fine even if it isn’t the end game, the show has established them as such good friends that I feel like even that is good enough.

    If somebody read all of this, thank you!!

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    lol..maybe he was waiting for his crush to materialize..but if she ain’t marrying, might as well become a priest 😛

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    Interesting POV and it’s refreshing to read an opinion that’s different from mine. 🙂

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    Jun Wan and Ik Sun: Although I’m totally for this ship and would be so devastated if they end up breaking up, I totally agree with what you’re saying. We saw them together really fast, we don’t know why and when Jun Wan started to even like Ik Sun. I wish they showed some sort of flashback to show this, just so we’re more convinced that the relationship has some sort of foundation. Though I feel like together as a couple, they’re really compatible and I love that Jun Wan is just different with her, like there’s a sweetness to him that he just doesn’t show when he’s with his friends and definitely not with his colleagues.

    Winter Garden: Definitely agree, even though Ik Jun is really supportive of the relationship, I feel like it’s too early to push for this relationship now . At this point, we need Jeong Won to sort of really rethink what he wants in life, he obviously love kids and loves his job. I feel like he’s too focused to the idea of being a priest to see that and question it – if Gyeo Wool could be a catalyst (at least) for him to rethink his priorities, I kind of won’t mind.

    Seok Hyung and Min Ha: Agreed. Nuff said. Though as you said, I’d like to see more of a mentor-mentee relationship with them more. I love that Min Ha is really learning a lot from him, not just technically as a doctor but also how to be a good person overall.

    Song Hwa and Ik Jun: This is the ship for me!! We’ve seen the signs, Ik Jun has finally confessed his feelings. She’s already being a great partner to him without realizing it, she’s taken care of U-Ju quite a few times and adores him. I think it’s because they’re really good friends as well, but it’s so great that they just get each other. UGHHH THIS SHIP I CANNOT.

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Because of Hospital Playlist I was suddenly in a reply series mood and was watching some reply 1988 scenes, back when I first watched the show in 2016 I was a kdrama newbie whose eyes were glued to the subtitles and so I probably didn’t pay a lot of attention to the performance, but now when I can pretty much understand what a character says even without subtitles I have realized that hyeri’s line delivery was not the best.

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After episode 8 I have decided Chu Min Ha is my favourite resident in Hospital Playlist.

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I have episodes of The King and Hi bye mama that I can watch but I don’t feel like watching either of those. I am not a KES hater and Mr Sunshine was actually good imo and goblin had good moments but The King just falls flat, I don’t know if this is the same director as the previous two but over here I am not a fan of the direction or editing, I feel like a better score and a more impactful directing and editing is what the show needs. It feels like the show thinks that it is grand but us people watching are not convinced. I am tired of Hi Bye Mama too so can someone suggest me any other drama to binge watch, I watch Chinese dramas too.

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    A handful of us Beanies just finished watching C-drama “Skate Into Love”; A few are beginning C-dramas “Ashes Of Love” (same production team as “Ashe Of Love”), “The Untamed” and”Story Of Minglan”

    Some other good C-dramas are:
    “Three Lives, Three Worlds, Ten Miles Of Peach Blossoms”
    “Princess Weiyoung”
    “Rush To the Dead Summer”
    “The Legends” (only for the OTP)
    “Go Go Squid”, “Princess Agents”
    “Arsenal Military Academy”
    “Story Of Yanxi”
    “Put Your Head On My Shoulder”
    “A Love So Beautiful”
    “Joy Of Life”
    “Le Coup de Foudre”
    “Nirvana In Fire” (2 seasons),

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      I have already watched most of these, I dropped skate into love for some reason maybe I will try picking it up again.

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        It’s a good drama that doesn’t require much brain power and is just fluff haha So it’s a good one if you’re in the mood for a drama to watch just to pass time

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        ha ha.. i dropped it too..
        but i genuinely found it lame.. and i think the FL has started making a special place in my avoid actress list, given her acting is so irritatingly similar in each role she does – be it quiet role or a loud role

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      Agree with a lot of the above suggestions. Find Yourself is another recent cdrama a lot of us liked. An older one I really liked also was Love Me If You Dare.

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    When a snail falls in love 🙂

    No one can be dissapointed

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    Cdramas I’d recommend:-
    General & I
    Where the Lost Ones Go
    Find Yourself
    Bloody Romance
    I Hear You
    Dear Prince
    Unique Lady
    Sound of the desert
    Young Sherlock
    Secrets of the Three Kingdoms
    Nothing Gold Can Stay
    Story of Yanxi Palace
    Princess Silver
    My Assassin Girlfriend

    Taiwanese –
    Before We Get Married
    Hello Again
    Iron Ladies
    The Ghost Bride
    Someday Or One Day

    Others I haven’t seen yet but heard good things about that you can try :- Lovestorm (or Love Of Sandstorm), The Leap Year
    The World Between Us
    Imagine Me Without You

    Bonus – Korean webdrama – Tofu Personified. It’s really cute.

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Watched first episode of The King: Eternal Monarch and it was a bit underwhelming, the elements of a good first episode were there but the it doesn’t build in a satisfactory manner. Love Woo Do Hwan but none of his scenes with Lee Min Ho felt essential. Kim Eun Sook does bromance well but this bromance seems to be on the weaker side if you ask me. I would have preferred if they cut down on some present day monarchy scenes and increased the pacing of the drama.

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Watched all episodes of Find Me In Your Memory, the premise is actually cliche, the male lead has excellent memory, is kind of rude and female starlet is optimistic and cheerful but it doesn’t actually feel that cliched.

The male lead is not really a rude character and his excellent memory is not shown as a positive thing. The female lead is not a badass and puts everyone in their place kind of person but she is not a clueless star, connects the dots together and makes you root for her.

The romance is actually on the slower side but maybe because I binged this it didn’t matter, I like the pacing and I like to see them slowly growing closer.

There is a thriller plot which some may not like but I think it is one of the better handled thriller in romance shows.

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    He’s not really a geniusss and she’s not a clueless diva. In fact i love the way they portray Ha Jin – a bit ditzy on first impression but actually really perceptive and quick on the uptake. And he seemed rude, but he’s really just very frank and honest (which can still be rude) but remember how he soften up when he found out about her past..but that didn’t stop him from rejecting her at first. hehe..

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    It’s very refreshing for such a cliched drama. I am also enjoying the thriller aspect of it. It’s very good and Beanies are discovering it a little more every day. I wish it was being recapped or had an Open thread at least.

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I started welcome recently, I was really weirded out because of the premise even if animals having a human form is not unusual in my culture’s mythologies. But I still ended up trying it.

I saw a comment that it was romanticizing stalking to be honest I would agree in general but in here he is very much a cat in human form, I don’t think his actions were out of line with how a pet would behave if it ever took a human form.

Anyway I love the cat, I unlike a lot of people here don’t really mind L, I liked his previous two shows and I feel he did a decent enough job but over here I love the cat way more than him. I would totally not mind if this was a story about her and the cat while she reconnects with her first love. Also I like our female lead too, she is a cute dork.

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I have been reading comments for hi bye mama on various platforms, I am a bit shy so I never responded to them but I feel like talking about it so here.

When the show began we didn’t see much of Min Jung but from the little we saw of her people already started commenting she feels more like a nanny. At the point we hadn’t really seen kang hwa do any non nanny like parenting either but nobody used the word nanny or anything similar for him.

As the show showed us Min jung’s shortcomings because of her introvert nature again many people started saying she is not a good mother, is not a “mommy”mother, she is not the only one raising the seo woo though. Every parent has shortcomings especially when it comes to the first child. Yuri would have some faults too had she been there instead. Regardless of her learning capabilities seo woo is a great kid and Min Jung wants to do her best for seo woo that alone makes her good parent.

I feel so many people are so quick to strip her of the title of being a mom to Seo Woo and I can’t help but feel it is because we have the knowledge of her being a step mom, because of the word step we need more evidence of her capabilities to deem her worthy of the title mom.

I come from an Asian family, not many parents would want their daughter to marry a widower with a kid, people will always compare, they will be more critical of her parenting capabilities for the child and later on if she has a kid people will try to find evidence of different treatment. It is not easy for the second wife at all in such a situation. While it is obvious that we viewers will analyse everything but I guess I just hope our first instinct isn’t to assume that step mom is possibly not a good one.

Now that I have written this I feel like I am overthinking lol.

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    No, you’re not overthinking. I share your sentiments. Right from the beginning, I thought the whole ‘return to your original place’ was never going to end that way because Yuri had no place to return to – in terms of being with Kang Hwa. The term ‘original’ insinuates that Minjung is a replacement which she isn’t. And the last episode said everything I’d been feeling – Minjung is as much Seo Woo’s mum as Yuri. She raised her and Yuri knows she can’t take that away from them.
    And while I try to understand where Yuri’s family is coming from – I feel like their trying to be ‘considerate’ makes it a secret that shouldn’t even be a secret and continuously creates a gap that insinuate that Min-Jung is not her mother. But I get it’s a societal and cultural thing.

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      Coming from a large extended & mix-bag family that gets along well (mostly) it really annoys me that YuRi’s family thinks they have to be out of the picture for KangHwa to be happy with his ‘new’ wife. I get it’s prolly the culture but why can’t they break the norm? Look at how happy Seo Woo was at grandma’s. Even Min Jeong was more relaxed and happy when she stopped being ‘considerate’ and did things her way instead of being conscious of the fact that she’s a second wife & stepmom. All these people genuinely care for each other but yet they’re letting societal norms ruin their happiness.

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    Thank you for writing this.
    The writer nailed this problem by having our 3 wonderful women discussing about how people always assumed the worst of a stepmother, and how most of the stories we read framed them in this way, which of course will feed our mind with the worst prejudices about them. Your post is a good food for thought.

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Okay Hi Bye Mama discussion time, there will be spoilers so do not read if you haven’t watched the first two episodes.
I do not want Yuri to be alive at the end of those 49 days, I saw some people rooting for a happy ending for the main couple with Yuri being back alive on MDL and I simply cannot agree. I just do not agree with the whole dead being brought back alive thing in general. I want her to help her family and get closure, that is all.
I am very curious about Min Jung, I like this writer so I hope he does not make her evil or put her aside in the story either.

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    “I want her to help her family and get closure, that is all”
    I think that’s exactly what will happen, she’ll probably solve the issues between KH and her family and KH and MJ then to leave peacefully.

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    I do not want Yuri to be alive at the end of those 49 days

    Neither do I. I honestly think it would drive me mad to see a loved one 5 years after they passed. I’ll be ok with her saying her goodbyes during those 49 days.

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I guess I will share another unpopular opinion of mine with a Song Jae Jung drama coming. I do not like Queen In Hyun’s Man, that drama never clicked with me and I wasn’t a fan of any of the main characters and I will be honest I have issues with Yoo In Na’s dialogue delivery in some of her shows.
But I will say I love W, tbh I for some reason love the plots where the book characters and their universe exist in real life. I also really like extraordinary you for the same reason. Both shows have their flaws but I still really enjoyed them.

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    Coffee House: I loved it back then and rewatched it many times.

    Queen In Hyun’s Man: I disliked it for many reasons. I even rewatched it a few times to make sure I’m not biased or anything. I dislike it.

    Nine: I love it so much. I have rewatched it many times and still do.

    The Three Musketeers: I LOVE it. This one too is on my constant rewatch rotation list.

    W: It is among my 20 most favorite shows.

    Memories of Alhambra: A very gripping show. I liked it A LOT, but it was too emotionally draining for me to attempt a rewatch anytime soon. Maybe one day…

    I guess I’m definitely a SJJ fan.

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      *high five from another Song Jae-jung fans*

      Though for me, I love Queen In-hyun’s man to pieces (Kim Boong-do is still one of the best male lead I’ve watched), but I have issues with the second half of W.

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      Loved Queen In-hyun’s Man and Nine, liked W until it fizzled out, and couldn’t stand Alhambra! 😂

      It’s great to know that people can love things that I don’t.

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Saw the teaser for the new Kim Eun Sook drama, I am intrigued. Okay time for me to share some of my unpopular opinions in this community.
I do not dislike Kim Eun Sook, I will be honest I have had troubles completing every drama of hers I have tried but I still think she is talented. I think the way she is trying something new with every drama is admirable. Even if I am salty about the way half of her shows end and the fact that Heirs exists, for the most part the dramas remain memorable and have moments I have enjoyed a lot.
I do not dislike Lee Min Ho as an actor (for the most part) and I am someone who dropped Boys Over Flowers in 5 episodes, dropped Heirs at some point too and I am not a fan of City Hunter either. While he has his shortcomings, I feel he is also charming at times and I enjoy watching him those times. The most problematic thing about him for me is that Park Shin Hye rooftop kiss, I read somewhere it was his idea, don’t know how true that is but that fact stays in the back of my mind whenever I see him. Regardless I still don’t find myself being upset when he is cast for roles and always try giving his dramas a shot.

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CLOY was just not a show for me. I enjoyed it in the beginning but at the end found myself not caring for the leads. To be honest kdramas are not the most sensible and that is why I like them at times, so for me to say CLOY was bad because it wasn’t sensible is a bit hypocritical. I always had issues with this writer, I wasn’t on the you from another star hype train either, all her shows at the end become too dramatic. I do like the characters in her shows at the beginning but their charm gets drowned in the drama which just puts me off. Then her characters always have past encounters, I don’t mind the destiny themes but they always bother me in her shows and the characters become too cheesy as well. Similar flaws exist in other kdramas I like I guess this writer’s execution is just not my thing.

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    SPOILERS

    In CLOY I still cared for the second leads, I liked how their story progressed but they got that ending, not only was is it sad it was executed in the most cliched way ever, I cringed so much when he came to rescue her, I felt like I was watching an 80s movie instead. Plus I find it sad how most writers only care about giving the main leads a HE and used the second leads to inject some sadness. Kept Dan pining after RJH because they wanted to create conflict and then killed GSJ and gave her lonely existence.

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    I agree – I only watched 2 episodes of CLOY and dropped it because I realized that this writer has a gift for characters but not for story/plot, and honestly, these days if it’s not slice-of-life, then characters alone are not enough to keep me engaged in the story. I think that’s why I liked The Producers (though it’s far from perfect), but also explains why I couldn’t make it more than an episode into Legend of the Blue Sea. I suspect I could binge CLOY if I’m bored and need something mindless, but like YFAS I would probably rarely think about it again as a whole, though the characters would certainly be memorable.

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    I enjoyed it because of all the side characters plus a curiosity to see how they treated North Korea in the drama. As a stand alone love story I would skip it, but with the ensemble cast from North Korea it had the heart that keeps me watching.

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Is anyone watching The Cursed?

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