Beanie level: Errand boy

Report: Started Joseon Flower Agency (or whatever it’s called. I cannot keep that show’s name straight in my head for whatever reason). It has all the right elements–great cast, fun chemistry, all the tropes all the time, costuming and set design on point–but it’s falling short in a way I can only attribute to poor direction. I’m enjoying it, but I’m also ffwding a lot. The direction is just off in so many ways. Slow scenes that should be fast. Fast scenes that could be drawn out. Anyway I think I’m going to save it up, binge when I have lots of episodes and can ffwd as much as I need to. It’s a pity–this cast is SUPER. I’m looking forward to seeing all these guys in more shows in the future! (Sidebar: does anyone else feel like we’re watching Joo Won, Kim Soo-hyun, and Lee Hong-ki’s little brothers, though?)

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Special Labor Inspector Mr. Jo is a GEM. Sliding right into my Favorites of All-time drama list. There aren\’t enough gifs of this show, either, which is a crying shame.

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Had to authenticate my Amazon account this morning, and they told me they were sending me an OTP! Sadly, that was just an email with a One Time Password, not a box of Park Min-young and Kim Jae-wook. (I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I’ll get back to work now. :P)

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    I’m still waiting for the day that I can get Mo Tae Gu out of my head and to realize that it’s okay to see Kim Jae Wook as a character where he’s happy and smiling and not brooding (a la his character in “Mary Stayed Out All Night”) and to also realize that Kim Jae Wook is just this chill and silly dude who loves his cat and loves to display said love for said cat via his Instagram irl

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    But… What would you do with KJW and PMY if they were sent to you? Be their third wheel? 😅

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So I have assuaged my Seven Day Queen grief with Special Inspector Mr. Jo, and, beanies, IT IS AMAZING. You already know, I know, but now you know that I know too. It is AMAZING. I’m not done with it yet, but I love everyone in it so very much.

Melt Me had a few impressive moments, but I ended up fast-forwarding most of it. I wasn’t as drawn in as I hoped to be, but I did find WJA compelling a few times, so I’m not dropping it yet. I’m also generally a big fan of Yoon Se-ah, Won-hae Kim, and Jeon Soo-kyeong, so I’ll stick around and see them a bit. But still, disappointed. Like, I expected to be disappointed, but I’m disappointed that that expectation came true.

I also have this new theory that I enjoy shows more when I binge them. And because I expect Tale of Nokdu to be one of the best shows this round, I’m going to test that theory on it. Which means no Nokdu for me yet. Waaaah. I thought I couldn’t wait until 30 September, and now I’ll have to wait weeks and weeks. Please send me good thoughts as I cope in this difficult time.

Joseon Marriage Agency: Subs are up, and I’m going to give it a try. I know a lot of people were disappointed, but I often end up liking really lame shows, so heh maybe that will come in handy again.

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    Only one episode in, and Nokdu is very promising. I think it will be worth the wait. Such self discipline!

    Only a quick FF through last week’s episodes of Melt Me, and it totally met my expectations for disappointment. It’s over for me. I hope all those good actors and actresses will show up again soon in a better drama. They deserve it.

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    Special Labour Inspector Jo IS AMAZING! I LOVED it. I watched it a few days ago. Why do these POWER actors always get unhyped or secondary roles??? Or did show do very well inside of Korea? I hope it did.

    “I also have this new theory that I enjoy shows more when I binge them.”
    I have had this theory for the past decade and I stick by it firmly.

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      Oh I forgot to comment on the last one!
      I don’t say I end up liking the lame ones. Just that I most often like shows that beanies haven’t liked much. And vice versa. The vice versa unfortunately occurs much more

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      Ratings started out low, around 4%, and increased, finishing at approximately 8%. Overall it did slightly better than its competition MY FELLOW CITIZEN in the Monday-Tuesday slot.

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    I usually live watch but binged Special Inspector Mr. Jo to catch up to the finale episodes. I felt like it dragged in the latter part but it’s still a really good comedy and it felt like watching a superhero drama with a cute Ahjussi (KDW was adorable!).

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      KDW *is* adorable in this!! i haven’t seen him in anything, but im a big fan now!

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        Thanks for correcting me. He IS adorable haha. You can watch Coffees Prince (10+ years younger and adorable again), The Guest (less adorable and more nerve wrecking for him) and Along With The Gods movies (entertaining and heartwarming, he has a short part in the 1st one but then has more screen time later).

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          oh sorry—i was totally not correcting you!! i was just emphatically agreeing heheh. “KDW *was* adorable” works just as well. He is and was and i hope will be 😉 i never really got into Coffee Prince, but lately I’ve been wondering if I should try it again. I was really new to dramas when I first saw it and it didn’t click with me. but im acclimated now and may just love it <3 <3

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            Oh I’m sorry for misunderstanding 😅 Coffee Prince is one of the rare gender-bender drama I like, give it a shot you never know 😊

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            @mango the fault is mine–but thanks for being so sweet about it. and yes i think I will add CP to my (ever-growing) list!

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    Oooh keep me posted on Joseon Marriage Agency ~ i was going to try it but the negative reactions had me trying Nok du instead… (I did enjoy Nok Du, but I like your binge theory. I’ve been struggling with slump land so I’m working on getting back into steady schedules of couple episodes a week of shows)

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      i’ll keep you posted! i watch some cheesy stuff, though, so grain of salt 😀 i use to binge alll the time, then was mostly only live-watching…i feel like i need a sort of balance… and i think there are some show i want the binge-feeling for…so im trying that with Nokdu… we shall see!

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    First, I need to watch Special Inspector, because, Kim Kyung Nam.
    Second, I used to binge a lot, then I stopped bingey, and this year I’ve binged several shows, and … I feel like it just makes me more aware of their flaws because I watch them all in one go. Lol.

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    Yay, so glad you are enjoying Jo Jang Poong! 😊

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    inspector jo is one of my fav dramas of all fuckin time

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Ok so hear me out: A drama called Second Lead, where the main character is in love with a feisty-but-slightly-dim girl (called, say, Candy?) who spurns his love and begins a relationship with her chaebol-in-disguise new next door tsundere neighbor who loves her despite grabbing her wrist all the time. The drama shows our main character\’s heartbreak and subsequent personal growth, and then his adorable relationship with a witty, genius-astronaut-in-training (who is also the heiress to a large corporation, if you want; I do love a good fancy-dress scene.)

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    Important question: Who would you cast?

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      Ok, don’t judge me for overthinking, this ok?

      Male lead: I think it needs to be someone who is a believable second lead. That was part of the genius of the casting in My First First Love to me—that Ji-soo could actually be the second lead, so you weren’t 100% sure (or i wasn’t) how things would go. And it needs to be someone with enough range to pull off heartbroken and also evolve with a dynamic arc. Jang Dong-yoon? (I know, I know. I always cast him in my imaginary dramas!) Park Bo-gum…Park Ki-woong? (I’m ignoring the age factor, I know.)

      Second Female Lead and Chaebol Neighbor: In an ideal world, where I am a casting director and have lots of funds at my disposal, this is where I’d cast the a-listers…Like, I want the show to look like it’s passing over the typical main leads and following our sad second lead. So Kim yoo-jung…Kim So-hyun…Park Shin-hye? Hyun Bin…Yeo Jin-goo…Yoo Ah-in? Someone who can execute the role but with levity to parody it, too.

      Female lead (the genius astronaut in training): Jin Ki-joo! Or Park Se-wan…Lee Si-young and Lee Yuri come to mind, too.

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        No judgement, this is totally an important inquiry 🤝

        omg how awesome would it be for Jang Dongyoon to star in this (I was just thinking this morning that he would’ve made a great Prince Dowon :P)??

        Seconded for Kim Yoojung + Yeo Jingoo for that Moon Embracing the Sun reunion—Yoojung really needs to act alongside an age-appropriate co-star!!!

        Astronaut: If we’re talking Jang Dongyoon I think I’d pick maybe Chae Soobin?

        Also, I would casually shove Park Kiwoong in as the main character’s older brother for pure fan service purposes. (I’m the fan.)

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          The more I think about it, the more I like Kim Yoojung + Yeo Jingoo. Agree about the age-appropriate factor, but I also like the sort of meta-message their casting could send: not getting the “drama-ish” romantic partner, but getting someone more real etc. I also LOVE the idea now of KYJ playing a Candy 😉

          I can’t quite imagine the chemistry between JDY and Chae Soo-bin…I do love her…but is she *too* cute for this? I think a genius astronaut might need a little more gravitas? I’m torn on this one, I admit.

          AND YES. *scribbles frantically on my script to add an older brother so we can have all the Park Kiwoong that is humanly possible* I already need his spinoff 🙂

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Can someone remind me how the bean-count works? I get one bean for every drama I finish in the year, right? Is it only for 2019 dramas, though? Like, the drama has to have aired this year for me to count it, right? (\”Aired this year\” meaning finished this year, not necessarily started…some start in the months before the new year)

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    2019 dramas

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    I think it depends on what the overlords say. It’s always confusing when a drama overlaps the end of the year/beginning of the year.

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      ok yeah maybe that’s why i can’t ever get my head around it. thank you 💕

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        Yes, like in the case of SKY CASTLE. I think it was only a few weeks into its run last year so it wasn’t included in the 2018 bean count. Which means it should count for 2019.

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          If it finished in 2019 and wasn’t counted in last year’s bean count then it’s counted for sure. I only make that last bit explicit because in 2018 they included the Memories of the Alhambra despite it ending in 2019. They’ve never done that before and it shouldn’t have been.

          If we only included dramas that finished and ended in a calendar year then we’d constantly miss all the awesome experimental dramas they drop in December.

          I’m definitely counting beans for Sky Castle, Children of Nobody, and My Strange Hero because they were three exceptional dramas who each deserve many beans.

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    Honestly, it’s supposeD to be only dramas that air this year that you’ve watched. But we make our own rules in Melonia and I often make my own Bean Count, according to various requirements, like how many dramas in TOTAL I watched this year.

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after i finish Seven Day Queen i’m going to need the happiest, romantic-est, most satisfying-est drama ever to rebound with. please send me whatever you’ve got. kdramas, cdramas, old ones i’ve seen, whatever. it doesn’t have to be fluff; it can be intense in its way—but solidly happy and lovey. please save me from this grief.

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Thursday, be kind to me.

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i’m watching Seven Day Queen these days, and i’m so lost. i know it ends tragically, but it feels like it’s all sad in the middle too!! i can’t tell if Yeok really loves CK or if it’s a trick; the king sometimes seems more relatable than anyone else; and i’m not sure always what to make of CK herself. it’s a beautiful show but my feelings are a mess!!

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    This drama will do this to you 😅😅 It hurts, but it hurts SO GOOD

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    This drama messed with our feelings just as it messed with CKs!
    Everything about that drama is sad, from the start to the end, the post trauma this drama gave me😪😪😪 but it really was worth it!

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      yes! this is how i feel completely! i keep having to remind myself that a happy resolution isn’t coming. but it’s so beautiful and so well done.

      i feel like i need to watch a bunch of other dramas afterwards, with the different main actors, where they get happy endings.

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    Even though i love the cast, costumes, scenery etc i’m avoiding this show because of the tragic end. I’m afraid i will feel like riding an inevitable train wreck the whole time i watch it..since you have started it and probably finished it by now, think of that as a another aspect of love, letting go when necessary..

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      that is exactly how it feels, so ominous all the time….but then also so so SO well-done, so beautiful in every way. i like this idea of thinking of it as another aspect of love <3 thank you <3

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How did nothing really even happen in that whole episode but I’m all depressed anyway? ugh. should have waited and binged the last 2 eps together. #RHGHR

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    I feel like it needs at least 2 more episodes to wrap up everything nicely… but I’m just hoping for a satisfying ending.
    I still have no idea how it will end. But at least there’s a hint for a happy ending for the couple? I hope?

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      i feel the same! this is my least favorite kind of episode—a filler episode where the whole thing is just characters finding out things we, the audience, already know. it’s emotionally draining but also feels like a waste of time. the worst. and now they have SO MUCH to wrap up in the last episode that i fear it will be super rushed and unsatisfactory. ugh. i wish they had spent about 1/2 of episode 19 on all the things that took the whole episode, and used the rest of the time to start wrapping things up more solidly. i guess i can’t know for sure until i see the last episode, but it doesn’t feel like it’s going to be a smooth landing.

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    I have to disagree with you. More happened in ep 19 than the entire first four episodes haha. XD *kidding* But it was definitely a very eventful episode – everyone’s past/historyand plans came out in the open, the brothers turned against one another, GHR forgave her brother, the historians got one of Min’s people on their side. That’s…a lot of development. Except yes, there was nothing on the romance front. I’m sad the show is ending but LOVE this kind of political plot movement. 🙂 So I’m a happy camper.

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      I agree that the brothers turning against each other was a big development, but the rest of it just felt like motion to me — motion without action. Everyone’s plans are in the open, but none of them were surprising to us (the audience). We already knew all of it. We had to watch the characters catch up to us, which I always find frustrating. The chancellor seems to have joined the historians, but then he’s back to his usually shrivelly self when the ministers confront him. back where he started. GHR forgives JG, but that was almost less satisfying to me…like, it makes no difference to the plot, really. if it had happened earlier maybe she would have left home angrily or had some soul searching before she forgave him, but the whole resolution felt sort of gratuitously tacked on imho. Plus, we already knew his role in it. maybe if we hadn’t known that, it’d have been a bigger reveal and felt more impacting, but this just left me drained and sad.

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      following up, greenie 😉 — as someone who enjoyed the last episode: do you feel like we need several more episodes (not just 1) to satisfactorily wrap everything up now? i definitely do, but maybe that’s my general show-angst carrying over?

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        I feel that this episode should have happened 2/3 episodes back. And rim fighting to get back his throne and historians getting justice.

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        Hehe I’m with Blue on this. This episode and these developments should have happened 2 episodes ago. There’s so much left to resolve now I wonder how they’ll do it in one ep.

        Also, to respond to above, I do think that a lot of movement happened (such as the historians’ decisions and their petition etc) but this episode mostly set us up for the finale. That might be why you & I can’t agree on its purpose – filler or essential to the plot. ^^ But essentially, this set up should have been established a couple of episodes ago, as you say. I agree with point.

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    I didn’t think this was a filler episode.
    Prince Rim and brother – we kinda hoped the brothers won’t go against each other. But it was still sad to see how quickly the crown Prince changed his sense of justice to keep his throne.
    The scene between GHR and her brother was so Heart breaking. We knew the brother did something bad, but still that he sealed the deal was very painful.
    Also, we see that there are still loyal to ex-king people in the palace. So am very eager for tomorrow’s episode.

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    I also feel the same way! So many complicated feelings (and even more complicated relationships) … how are they going to resolve everything in 1 hour? Unless Netflix is going to pull another Arthdal and make a Season 2, but we all know how THAT worked. Can we petition the Drama Gods, ala historians, for an extension?

    And… my poor Prince! In a few days, he got dumped by the love of his life, found out about his dad, was rejected by his brother, discovered both his Grandmother and his faithful Eunuch had been hiding the secret all his life, found out who he thought was his dad KILLED his real dead, AND voiced for the first time his feelings of being alone and set aside. Jeez that’s enough angst for a whole new drama.

    Looking back they could’ve cut short some of the build-up (did we really need that much screen time romping in farflung villages and learning French phrases?) to develop the political backstory. If Prince Dowon had more time to come to terms with his roots, and confront all the people who’d been lying/hiding things from him all his life, then he wouldve stepped into Episode 19 with a plan and not just a reeling sense of betrayal.

    And up to now I have NO CLUE where Sa-Hee stands.

    Sorry I hijacked your post with my own thoughts. Clearly shaken by Ep 19!

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      if this is hijacking, then more hijacking please! ☺️😉 happy to hear your thoughts!! tomorrow cannot come soon enough!!

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      Well said.
      I mean the betrayal of Seum-bo deserved screentime. I would think that is the hardest thing for Rim to handle since he spent 20 years of his life with him.

      I really wish this had happened 2 episodes back. I wanted to see crown prince conflicted with his decision, Rim fighting back, Dowager and Rim joining hands etc. and of course we know nothing of Sa-Hee yet.

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wednesday! wednesday! wednesday!

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Is it just me, or does it seem like there’s a new batch of Candies on the site lately–and they are super fun and active! YAY! WELCOME new Candies!!

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    🙋‍♀️ i’ve been lurking on DB for ages and finally decided to join the community for real. thank you for the welcome 🥰

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    Not a Candy anymore, but I’ve only been an active commenter since July and still feel new. So thanks for the welcome!

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    Joined June of this year, but loved reading the posts on here. I’m not a very active poster, since I don’t watch a lot of dramas regularly, but I visit the fan wall nearly every day to see what everyone’s been up to. Nice to meet you~! Thanks for the welcome!

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    I have been very recently promoted from a candy to Jang geu-rae..whatever that means..anyway thank you for the warm welcome.

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      congrats hasi!!! jang geu-rae is from the drama Misaeng. You are now a hardworking office worker! some might say its as much work as being a candy…but at least you have a badge? 😉

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        Oops! I have missed that one. I will work hard..the badge helps though😆

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    This gif almost makes me want to finish Healer! So cute. And yes, lots of new people!

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Two deeper, more general thoughts on Rookie Historian. No spoilers, really; these are more thematic thoughts.

1) The absence of mothers in this show is fascinating in light of the underlying plot of women being in charge of their lives. The Dowager Queen is the closest to a mother, and she is a grandmother, but we don\’t see anyone functioning primarily AS a mother. Also, a lot of these characters are without mothers (GHR? Rim? Min? Jae-kyung?). I should say more about this…I feel like I\’m just dropping it in here and then walking away…but I don\’t have any solid conclusions. Just that it makes me wonder if the writers (unconsciously perhaps) see motherhood as in conflict with a woman\’s desire to \”choose her own path\”? (super speculative I know….as I said…it\’s not a solid conclusion. just a funny ommission in the drama that i keep noticing.)

2) This is sort of a spoiler, I guess, but it\’s minor (not really related to plot): \”The Story of Ho-dam\” is technically a novel, but in episode 18 GHR asks how much of it is true; it\’s alarmingly close to the truth, we know. In this episode we also find out that those who overthrew the king were hoping to alter the royal historians\’ records. So again we come back to this idea of novels and recorded history being not as different as the beginning of the show seemed to want us to think. I like this evolution of ideas very much. I like that we are first asked to consider the contrast between novels and history, and I like that we are gradually led into comparing them more and more.

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    2b) I like too, the very subtle undercurrent that’s building. We’ve seen how novels aren’t real life, and how history isn’t always real life… but we’re watching A DRAMA. none of this is real life. it’s perfectly reasonable (in fact, i would argue, it’s technically more reasonable than not) for certain things to happen in this show not because they are realistic and might happen in real life…but precisely because they don’t or would not. Those things might not happen in real life; they might happen only in fairy tales…or kdramas…but guess what we’re watching 😉 <3

    anyway, come on out happy ending 😉

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    Yes, I’ve also been thinking about the absence of biological mothers. The show is deeply ambivalent about marriage; it’s the women who sacrifice and suffer. It makes the series feel like a Disney film filled with motherless protagonists. Even the Dowager Queen is not the king’s biological mother and seems to hate him. And the poor crown princess is manipulated into a lonely, loveless union where has no opportunity to make her own family.

    At the same time, we have men who stepped up to parent children who needed them. Goo Jae Kyung raised Hae Ryung and Eunuch Heo Sam Bo raised our pretty princeling. But both men have also hidden the truth from their charges.

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      “Even the Dowager Queen is not the king’s biological mother and seems to hate him. And the poor crown princess is manipulated into a lonely, loveless union where has no opportunity to make her own family. ”
      yes to this. the DQ not being his real mom is so interesting in light of this. and then also the crown princess being unable to become a mother is interesting too. whether the writers meant to make a statement about motherhood, it seems like they are doing it after all

      i like too what you say about the men who’ve stepped up to fill the maternal role. its interesting. even the DQ acting as the king’s mom all this time.

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    I felt that notion about mother’s role or lack thereof strongly too but you made it so clear..I wonder how these characters would have ended up if they each had a strong mother figure in their lives. Now when i think of it,they all seem like half orphans..some even full..for a drama that emphasize womens’ intelect it shows many facets of father figures..

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      right? exactly. a lot of half orphans, and i can’t quite tell how meaningful that is. is it just the writers couldnt be bothered? or is there a message?

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        is it just the writers couldnt be bothered? or is there a message?

        … asked tsutsuloo to almost every drama ever.😜

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        I think including mother figures would have complicated the show. If they were going to include them, they must have some kickass mothers lined up going with their theme of strong female characters, with the risk of them outshining GHR and somewhat obscuring what they want to deliver.

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Some thoughts on Rookie Historian episode 18… in comments because SPOILERS

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    SO MANY SPOILERS.

    Through my tears, I have these thoughts. In no particular order:

    1) To all the beanies who got that the Dowager was trying to blame Councillor Min for the ambush: hats off. Nicely noted.

    2) I love that GHR’s father and Rim’s father were BFF (and not, say, the same person)

    3) Wait, what does Sa-hee know about Councillor Min that makes her unafraid of him? Do we know? Did I miss something?

    4) I love Jin trying to pretend he remembers Rim’s birth just to comfort Rim. (I say again: give me a Prince Jin spinoff). Also, we do find out that the queen stayed with her parents for a few months when she should have been pregnant…and I get that the show is trying to explain how a royal baby could be born with no notice…but I’m still not satisfied. THAT queen wasn’t THE queen at the time. So she could live offsite etc, no biggie. But surely there would have been…A LOT… of hullabaloo months before all this drama when the actual queen was determined to be pregnant with the king’s firstborn?

    5) Did we already know that Rim had a dream wherein the King stabbed him? I am having flashbacks to Moon Lovers Ryeo. Pls do not let this show end thusly.

    6) Why doesn’t Rim just go ask the Dowager all his questions?

    7) The current king is SUCH a coward. Like. Such. I am 100% with the Dowager when she yells, “WHY IS MIN IK-PYEONG STILL ALIVE?”

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      # 1. We told you Nicole. We told you ;).

      #5. Yep. Rim had the dream after his father took away his books are writing materials when he found out he was writing romance novels.

      Seriously, the tears flowed this episode. Rim, yeah, someone just LOVE that dude. Seriously, how can you not.

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      My heart’s breaking for poor Rim once again. That scene where Hae Ryung comforts him as they cried together is so sad, yet so beautiful.

      I’ve always been curious about Rim’s mom, he thought that the current king’s wife is his mother right? Rim never once mentioned her even though we see her alive and well when the royal family visited Queen Dowager together.

      Two eps left! Hope they can tie up all the loose ends nicely.

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are beanie boxes only given away? or can they be purchased?

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a propos of nothing, unrelated to anything: sometimes i out of the blue remember the moment when Kim Bum shows up with gray (silver) hair in The Woman Who Still Wants to Marry, and honestly that is one of the most underrated moments in a drama, imho.

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    Ok I have to say this! I disliked that show and all its characters for lots of reasons, but the exact same thing happens to me: sometimes i out of the blue remember the moment when Kim Bum shows up with gray hair…!

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Lately I\’ve mostly been working on my work computer and my phone, but today I opened up my personal laptop, and I found the following \”random thoughts\” in an open notepad file. It\’s my thoughts after episode 16 of Rookie Historian (so, not the latest episode), but I still thought I\’d post it. #levelmeupsoonplease

Random Thoughts I Have on Rookie Historian

There is one moment where the potential brides are all speaking in front of the Dowager Queen, and Hae-ryung looks like she\’d like to speak up, to say something, to do something–but she pauses and resumes writing; she realizes she can\’t do anything. And I got to thinking: Writers are often accused of being nothing more than dreamers, of being people who aren\’t actually \”doing\” things but who just imagine things and write about them. And Rim fits that stereotype very well—as Maehwa he writes romantic novels but he himself has literally zero experience of love. But historians share a strangely-parallel fate, this show shows us. As much as Hae-ryung would like to act, to jump into the fray, she has to sit back and simply write. Both kinds of writers are in a sphere of inaction. I dislike the truth this hints at; as a writer, I want to believe I can be both a dreamer and a doer, but I think the show does a good job of highlighting some of the tension therein. The show does a lot to contrast novelists and historians, but I think it\’s also very intent on showing the similarities between the two. I think it wants us to remember that all written record–fictional or not—isn\’t real life. Where the show will take this thread, I\’m still curious to see.

Honestly, the hopeless romantic in me hopes that the shows goes in this direction: all written records are in contrast to real life; they are not themselves real life. and because they are not themselves real life, “history” is as fanciful and biased as a novel. both are pictures of real life but not actually real life. but by that token, even the things in novels can become real life. ERGO GHR AND RIM CAN GET MARRIED *AND* HAVE LIVES THEY LOVE

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fwiw i would totally not mind if rookie historian were to be added as a beanie level.

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    I approve of this message.

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    maybe it can be after errand boy: when you feel like you’ll spend your whole life stuck in the same place… but you’re ready to take your fate into your own hands… and you’re willing to do whatever it takes to be where you want to be, despite inexplicable odds in the environment

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    @mary @stroopwaffle

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    I 3rd/4th or 5th this. Whatever number, take my vote.

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Rookie Historian: also does the dowager know that GHR is who Rim loves?!? that snack time convo was very suspicious imho

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    It wouldn’t surprise me if she does.

    Or she just thought it would be nice for Rim to have someone around that was around his age for his birthday.

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      hehehehehe so either she’s a super cunning queen whose seen it all—or a nice grandma who just loves her boy 😉

      i’m betting she knows. the eunuch is probably on her payroll. remember how he staged that dream from Rim? that had to be under her order. so maybe he’s told her their connection too. (i think both eunuch and DQ genuinely love Rim tho)

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        So that means he knows about his wife as well. I was wondering all this time if she was keeping him in the dark. Naw, Seo-bo is too smart for that.

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    I think she does know, or at least have some suspicions about it. She must know that Rim doesn’t interact with many women except the court ladies and female historians. And it seems like her court lady is updating her regularly about what happens around the palace, so she probably knows he interacted the most with Hae Ryung.

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    I do not think much goes on without the dowager Queen knowing. She didn’t show any surprise when Rim told her he already had a woman in his heart.

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    Since you mentioned ‘snack time’ i’m guessing you have already watched ep 33/34. Do you also think queen dowager was the mastermind behind the attack on prince Dowon? I don’t know what she hoped to achieve but i have a feeling it’s not councillor Min but her.

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my latest Rookie Historian theory—in comments because SPOILERS!!

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    Ep 17 SPOILERS YALL.

    ok so i’m thinking that the attack/ambush was planned by the dowager. i think she wanted an excuse to keep rim in that villa for long enough that he’d figure out the truth about himself.

    also would not have minded if the king has just taken out a sword and beheaded councillor min right there on the spot. i’m so annoyed with him. but whyyyy does the king keep rim alive?? i mean IM SO GLAD, but why?

    so ho-dam and GHR’s real father were at Seorowan together, right? and jae-kyung saved GHR? and i guess the stress of the news of her husbands death probably sent Rim’s mom into labor with him. (who is his mom then? moms don’t really figure much into this show do they)

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      I believe she planned it as well. But I think she did it to get rumors about Min to go around. We know what that man is capable of, why not murder. He has a hand in one son’s death, why not again. She has been biding her time and I also think that she has enough on the King to keep him in check and for him not to have told Min about Rim’s true linage.

      But this does make for a interesting predicament when Jin finds out he is not the rightful Consort. There has been no conflict with these brothers and you just feel that it is coming.

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        But if Min doesn’t know about Rim’s true lineage, why would he plan an ambush (or why would she think that an ambush would be blamed on him)?

        YES I am biting my nails related to the brotherly-conflict that is surely coming. It’s interesting to me that Jin has been the acting king all this time—so it’s going to feel like a bigger blow to him if he has to step down… and it seems like it might be hard to justify enthroning a “naive kid” who hasnt shown any interest in politics over Jin, who’s been managing quite well. (assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)

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          Min did figure it out (and was pissed that it was kept a secret from him), which is why the King went off on him (because Min was the 1st person he thought of on the ambush and things do not stay quiet inside those walls for long. Just one word from someone and dominoes fall). Min’s next course of action is to find out why the King kept it from him all this time,

          “(assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)”

          The Queen Dowanger isn’t giving him a choice in the manner.

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            i agree about the Queen Dowager not giving him a choice. It was SO OMINOUS the way she said “when Rim is king” (or “until Rim is king” something like that.) I was like…whoa she’s not here to play.

            I don’t think they counted on Min learning Rim’s secret, but the more I think about it, I do think the Dowager must have expected Min would be blamed for the assault (I mean, who else would?) BUT I still think her true motive was to give Rim enough time to be sequestered at that villa…which has a random picture of the former king still hanging. I mean, that was kinda weird, right?

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            I would only think that picture would be weird if the Queen was not so cunning.

            Add to that patience, and she is a deadly combination.

            She is angry her son is gone and she wants everyone involved to pay for it. GHR’s brother does not seemed to be longed for the world by the end of the series.

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            @larelle79 he is not long for this world 😂😂😂 you are SO right. poor guy. i guess. i mean let’s hear his tragic story but i feel like it’s gonna be bad.

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            Not only his portrait, but a very tall candle burning in front of it, so someone has been keeping that candle lit in memory of the deposed king.

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            @lindag ohhhh! you’re so right!!!

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            @lindag Good eye on the candle.

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      Very interesting theory. But Second Councillor Min didn’t deny it when he was accused. If he didn’t do it, why wouldn’t he say so? On the other hand, wouldn’t he shoot to kill?

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        Min admitted himself that he is not a pleasant person and that is why he has no friends. The man knows what people think of him but with his eye on bigger things, he is just rolling with it, until he gets what he wants and then he will take those naysayers down.

        Dude can play a mean game of poker with that face.

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        i think he didn’t deny it because he wants to see who it really is. i also thought maybe he was sort of denying it by mentioning the dowager queen. i don’t think he could outright accuse her—that’s gotta be treasonous—so he’s biding his time.

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          It is kinda amazing how much he and the Queen are alike in their thought process.

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      I’m guessing she planned it too, she didn’t seem all that surprised when the ambush happened. Maybe to later start rumors that Councillor Min is the one behind it. Or to get people suspicious about why they would target Rim, a naive prince with no political interest (and we saw the historians starting to get curious already) so they will start digging out the truth about his real identity?

      Not sure if it was for Rim to discover the truth himself, since the reason he found that place with the former king’s picture is because of the dream he had, and she can’t control his dreams.

      Although if it’s indeed her, how cunning is she that she would let Rim get injured like that just to achieve her goal..

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        “maybe to get people suspicious about why they’d target Rim” — i can see that. that makes a lot of sense to me. i definitely think the whole trip was designed to bring his heritage to light.

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        This makes sense and as far as Rim’s dreams go, @anothernicole theory about Seo-bo is something to consider as well. We know that he is underfoot of Rim day and night. He could be telling him all sorts of things while he is asleep.

        I still think about the dream he had after the meeting with the King about the books he was writing. That dream just did not come out of nowhere. It gave a good idea of how the legitimate King died….and it was in front of the house that Rim and GHR went into to see the portrait.

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        It shows that she is ruthless. She doesn’t care much for Yi Rim as a person she cares for his identity as her precious son’s sole living heir.

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          i disagree that she doesn’t care for him as a person—but i DO agree that she sees him as a means to an end. Her love for him as a person is definitely not going to keep her from using him to the max

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      I was thinking about Rim’s mother as I was watching the episode too, but I’m guessing they’re not going to make it into a big reveal or anything.

      What I’m wondering is how anyone hid the truth about Rim’s birth from Councillor Min for so long. Obviously for Rim to have been born and then believed by everyone to be the son of the current King, someone in the palace must’ve had to be pregnant at the time and directly linked to the King… right? If not, wouldn’t it be completely obvious that Rim isn’t his son? Or did they just get rid of everyone and anyone related to the deposed King? 😂

      Good theory on the ambush! I thought it was weird the Queen was so calm. She was more mad during that scene with Jaekyung than she was at the thought of someone trying to assassinate Rim, whom she intends to put on the throne. By that logic, it totally makes sense that she’s the one behind the whole thing.

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        ok so i had a theory about this a while back (which has basically been disproven, like all my drama theories….how is it possible to be so consistently wrong???) — that she was the real queen’s son (the queen + someone else) and the king had adopted him to cover up the fact that his wife had an affair. obvi that’s out the window now, so I am left wondering the same thing as you.

        the only conclusion i can give is that there is a LOT of secrecy in this palace and a lot of people sort of concealed — the crown princess keeps to herself, Rim is obviously hidden away, etc etc. So maybe the conspiracies lasted a while and maybe the dethroned king himself hid his pregnant wife? like maybe he knew a coup was coming and he wanted the baby to live, so he never told anyone she was pregnant? i srly doubt the show will get this in depth but…. (altho honestly if a reigning queen is pregnant with the firstborn of the king that seems like it’d be IMPOSSIBLE to hide. thats not a commonplace birth).

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      I agree with you about the mastermind of the attack.

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